| You know, I've been reading Kimi no Iru Machi for a few years now. And I've been hearing, each week, complaints about "fillers". It honestly confuses me. If I didn't like the characters, I wouldn't be reading in the first place. Watching them just simply interact and live their lives is enjoyable. Do we really need to have drama and action shoved down our throats every single chapter? Nobody's life is like that. It would be ridiculously unrealistic and just feel forced. Keep in mind, however, that I haven't watched Naruto or Bleach or any of the 100+ episode shounen series. But honestly, I'd rather watch characters interact, than action for the sake of action. |
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| Let's talk mainstream anime. I like some mainstream anime, and I don't like some others. Whoop. Some don't catch my interest, and some do. Hooray. Lots of reasons for literally everything. And for the OP. Read the manga? |
| So are you implying that people hate on mainstream because they are filled with fillers? I don't hate on that "mainstream" or the Big 3 because they're filled with fillers, I just don't watch them because I'd rather not spend hundreds of episodes on an anime that is centered around action, which I honestly find childish/immature (please spare me the lecture about why you think the anime you enjoy is not childish or immature, I don't give a shit). Battle shounen series are just not for me. I usually see people that like one of those mainstream anime hating on the rest of the mainstream ones. One word: Fanboys. Fanboys will be fanyboys and what that implies is that they are stupid, so it's best to just ignore them. As for people who don't watch any of the mainstream ones and hate on the mainstream ones, I don't know what would compel them to hate on the series. Elitism? Red_Keys said: Kimi no Iru Machi should have just ended a long time ago. The mangaka is grasping at straws by using every typical shounen cliche to keep driving the plot of his manga. Not to mention that it was the embodiment of cliches since chapter 1. Awfully predictable drama in relation to the romance and a horrendous harem.You know, I've been reading Kimi no Iru Machi for a few years now. And I've been hearing, each week, complaints about "fillers". It honestly confuses me. |
HolybaptiserFeb 10, 2013 3:29 PM
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Red_Keys said: Yeah. People complain that something is filler in the original works when they aren't interested in what's going on.You know, I've been reading Kimi no Iru Machi for a few years now. And I've been hearing, each week, complaints about "fillers". It honestly confuses me. If I didn't like the characters, I wouldn't be reading in the first place. Watching them just simply interact and live their lives is enjoyable. Do we really need to have drama and action shoved down our throats every single chapter? Nobody's life is like that. It would be ridiculously unrealistic and just feel forced. Keep in mind, however, that I haven't watched Naruto or Bleach or any of the 100+ episode shounen series. But honestly, I'd rather watch characters interact, than action for the sake of action. |
Sophilia said: I wouldn't even consider them fillers. It's just a series that's going on for no reason. The ending is predictable and it's like, "okay, mangaka. When are you gonna actually make it happen?"Red_Keys said: Are they good fillers or bad fillers?You know, I've been reading Kimi no Iru Machi for a few years now. And I've been hearing, each week, complaints about "fillers". It honestly confuses me. A lot of people say that GE is a bad version of KnIM, but at least the mangaka didn't continue the manga without reason for over a year in the most boring fashion. I've read over 190 of KnIM, because I'm a masochist, but I finally dropped it, because I can only allow a series to twist my nuts for so long. |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
Red_Keys said: You know, I've been reading Kimi no Iru Machi for a few years now. And I've been hearing, each week, complaints about "fillers". It honestly confuses me. If I didn't like the characters, I wouldn't be reading in the first place. Watching them just simply interact and live their lives is enjoyable. Do we really need to have drama and action shoved down our throats every single chapter? Nobody's life is like that. It would be ridiculously unrealistic and just feel forced. Keep in mind, however, that I haven't watched Naruto or Bleach or any of the 100+ episode shounen series. But honestly, I'd rather watch characters interact, than action for the sake of action. You complaining about something being unrealistic, lol. |
| Why people hate mainstream (possible reasons): 1. Because hating popular things is cool. 2. Because some people cannot understand why people likes something he doesn't, so he has to hate to get attention. 3. Because some people hate the absurd amount of fanboys of the mainstream animes, which not only destroys the anime reputation, but also hurts the Otaku world in general. 4. For the lulz. I don't hate an anime, I can only say that I lost interest or "I can't sympathize". I watched Naruto before Shippuden and I say it is good if you ignore the completely disregard to the true ninja style, and I watched Dragon Ball Z when I was a kid. These animes has their flaws, but if you are a truly fan of something, you either learn to ignore it/accept it but still love it. But anyway, these Big 3 lost my interest thanks to the absurd amount of episodes. If I go back to One Piece, I'll just read the manga and then look for the chapters where there is the fight scenes that I might like it. |
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| The world is balanced. If something loved by many then it's hated by many too. |
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NeoAnkara said: The world is balanced. If something loved by many then it's hated by many too. Ying-Yang, Sir. |
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JintaYadomi said: Not true. Clannad hated for it's art style and forced drama they says. Haven't watched Anohana so no comment.pretty sure NeoAnkara said: i know what u mean but im still gonna say it :D not much people hate animes like clannad and anohana compared to the people who loved it :DThe world is balanced. If something loved by many then it's hated by many too. |
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012yArthur0 said: Why people hate mainstream (possible reasons): 1. Because hating popular things is cool. 2. Because some people cannot understand why people likes something he doesn't, so he has to hate to get attention. 3. Because some people hate the absurd amount of fanboys of the mainstream animes, which not only destroys the anime reputation, but also hurts the Otaku world in general. 4. For the lulz. I don't hate an anime, I can only say that I lost interest or "I can't sympathize". I watched Naruto before Shippuden and I say it is good if you ignore the completely disregard to the true ninja style, and I watched Dragon Ball Z when I was a kid. If people call it that, then it's already far gone. And what's wrong with people liking a show, I don't see how that huts anime's reputation and hurts "the otaku world". Fans are the ones who buy goods, without them there is no anime or "otaku world". Naruto doesn't have to follow the "true ninja style", the mangaka put his own spin on it. So what. |
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IntroverTurtle said: 012yArthur0 said: Why people hate mainstream (possible reasons): 1. Because hating popular things is cool. 2. Because some people cannot understand why people likes something he doesn't, so he has to hate to get attention. 3. Because some people hate the absurd amount of fanboys of the mainstream animes, which not only destroys the anime reputation, but also hurts the Otaku world in general. 4. For the lulz. I don't hate an anime, I can only say that I lost interest or "I can't sympathize". I watched Naruto before Shippuden and I say it is good if you ignore the completely disregard to the true ninja style, and I watched Dragon Ball Z when I was a kid. If people call it that, then it's already far gone. And what's wrong with people liking a show, I don't see how that huts anime's reputation and hurts "the otaku world". Fans are the ones who buy goods, without them there is no anime or "otaku world". Naruto doesn't have to follow the "true ninja style", the mangaka put his own spin on it. So what. If we say that a lot of people actually thinks that almost all Otaku's are weird/odd/dumb (a person flat-out stated it on my school), is because such stereotypical point of view came from the fanboys. On the same way people hate Twilight because of the absurd amount of fangirls, and etc. About Naruto, I never really took them as Ninjas, I just said that it feels kind of wrong when people say "Anime about Ninjas" when the said ninjas uses mass-destruction abilities. Even more so when I got the information that Kishi never really intended to make the plot on a Ninja World. Anyway, you right, it still ninjas. But it makes more sense if we say that it is a synonym of "Stealth Mages". |
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Vanisher said: Once again, your inept reading comprehension skills shine through. Vanisher, you never fail to impress.You complaining about something being unrealistic, lol. I'm complaining about other people complaining about something being not unrealistic. Try and wrap your head around that one. Holybaptiser said: Hmm I think it could have ended a long time ago. But I'm fine that it didn't. It's more focused on Haruto and Yuzuki's every day lives, instead of contrived drama. There are cliche chapters, yea, but they're not driving the plot forward. Unless you consider "somebody living with their girlfriend, trying to figure out their own life and future" cliche. Kimi no Iru Machi should have just ended a long time ago. The mangaka is grasping at straws by using every typical shounen cliche to keep driving the plot of his manga. Not to mention that it was the embodiment of cliches since chapter 1. Awfully predictable drama in relation to the romance and a horrendous harem. But yea, I'll give you the "Cliched since ch 1 and horrible harem". Like I said, I've been reading KNIM for a few years. I think it was actually the first manga I ever picked up. I was new to the "anime world", and at the time, anything anime related could do no wrong. The typical anime/manga tropes and cliches were all unknown to me, so it didn't feel generic at all. (If I started over, I'd probably feel different about the whole manga). And yea, the harem aspects, at least now in the story, are kind of annoying. The series is littered with useless characters, whose only purpose is to parade their tits and tease Haruto. And plus, nostalgia plays a big part in my attachment to the series. Like I said, I've been reading it since my Jr. year in High School. Sophilia said: I'd consider it more "slice of life", than fillers. It's a romance drama manga, and currently,Are they good fillers or bad fillers? Basically, every new chapter that's come out for the past couple months have been mostly comedy oriented chapters, about them just living their lives. |
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| Read King Lear, and everything will make sense. |
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| Because the big three are just too mainstream for me, I have much better taste than that and so I should shun those who do not like what I like. But in all seriousness, I don't really mind them, I'm sure they're a solid reason the anime industry has been surviving. If people like them, go ahead, but I won't personally, pretty much for the same reason as Holybaptiser: Holybaptiser said: I don't hate on that "mainstream" or the Big 3 because they're filled with fillers, I just don't watch them because I'd rather not spend hundreds of episodes on an anime that is centered around action, which I honestly find childish/immature. Battle shounen series are just not for me. |
Red_Keys said: Vanisher said: Once again, your inept reading comprehension skills shine through. Vanisher, you never fail to impress.You complaining about something being unrealistic, lol. I'm complaining about other people complaining about something being not unrealistic. Try and wrap your head around that one. Tell me something i didn't know. And you talk about reading comprehension You complain about others wanting something unrealistic and yet you say things like this: "Plot holes? Inconsistencies? Doesn't matter. This series was amazing. Don't give a shit " Hypocrite. |
VanisherFeb 10, 2013 4:55 PM
Red_Keys said: See, I'm just the best at going off on a tangent. Hmm I think it could have ended a long time ago. But I'm fine that it didn't. It's more focused on Haruto and Yuzuki's every day lives, instead of contrived drama. There are cliche chapters, yea, but they're not driving the plot forward. Unless you consider "somebody living with their girlfriend, trying to figure out their own life and future" cliche. But yea, I'll give you the "Cliched since ch 1 and horrible harem". Like I said, I've been reading KNIM for a few years. I think it was actually the first manga I ever picked up. I was new to the "anime world", and at the time, anything anime related could do no wrong. The typical anime/manga tropes and cliches were all unknown to me, so it didn't feel generic at all. (If I started over, I'd probably feel different about the whole manga). And yea, the harem aspects, at least now in the story, are kind of annoying. The series is littered with useless characters, whose only purpose is to parade their tits and tease Haruto. And plus, nostalgia plays a big part in my attachment to the series. Like I said, I've been reading it since my Jr. year in High School. What I was initially trying to say was that the people who are upset about the "fillers" in the latest chapters of KnIM is that there is no point in the manga anymore. The romance is done. The drama has subsided. It's just become a slice of life with no real direction. We all know what is going to happen at the end of the manga (they're going to get married), so a lot of the people who have been following it for the past 4 years just want it to end. For 160-170 chapters, the manga was about romance and all of a sudden it took a turn into a search for oneself manga. It's like reading 376 chapters of Gantz, and then it takes a turn to being a slice of life rom/com. I went off mentioning the cliches, because I've just gotten so fed up with shounen romance manga. It was irrelevant... lol. |
HolybaptiserFeb 10, 2013 4:55 PM
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
012yArthur0 said: I think more of them think of anime as childish and that's because of anime on tv. If they think it's creepy or weird then it's because of hentai. And that's part of the problem, most of the people on this site aren't "Otaku" by the definiton. IntroverTurtle said: 012yArthur0 said: Why people hate mainstream (possible reasons): 1. Because hating popular things is cool. 2. Because some people cannot understand why people likes something he doesn't, so he has to hate to get attention. 3. Because some people hate the absurd amount of fanboys of the mainstream animes, which not only destroys the anime reputation, but also hurts the Otaku world in general. 4. For the lulz. I don't hate an anime, I can only say that I lost interest or "I can't sympathize". I watched Naruto before Shippuden and I say it is good if you ignore the completely disregard to the true ninja style, and I watched Dragon Ball Z when I was a kid. If people call it that, then it's already far gone. And what's wrong with people liking a show, I don't see how that huts anime's reputation and hurts "the otaku world". Fans are the ones who buy goods, without them there is no anime or "otaku world". Naruto doesn't have to follow the "true ninja style", the mangaka put his own spin on it. So what. If we say that a lot of people actually thinks that almost all Otaku's are weird/odd/dumb (a person flat-out stated it on my school), is because such stereotypical point of view came from the fanboys. On the same way people hate Twilight because of the absurd amount of fangirls, and etc. About Naruto, I never really took them as Ninjas, I just said that it feels kind of wrong when people say "Anime about Ninjas" when the said ninjas uses mass-destruction abilities. Even more so when I got the information that Kishi never really intended to make the plot on a Ninja World. Anyway, you right, it still ninjas. But it makes more sense if we say that it is a synonym of "Stealth Mages". And it's like you said up there "but if you are a truly fan of something, you either learn to ignore it/accept it but still love it.", you should learn to ignore those people or accept it but still love it. Fans aren't going away, everyone is a fan of at least one show that's why we're on this site. There's no reason to try and restrict how much somebody likes a show or how much they can show it. There are obnoxious fans for every medium and franchise. Not completely because of of the fans, they probably don't like the movies. And even if they do, do the fans stop doing their thing. Nope, they enjoy watching it, and their fanbase probably grows just like the anime fanbase does. Kishimoto never said that he's going to base his story true to history or try and recreate the ninja world. It's a shounen story, all shounens have a base setting, and they can put whatever spin on it they want. All shounens will have battles and yelling out move names, hidden moves that could kill them, enemies keep on getting stronger, etc. If a manga or anime comes out that's a battle shounen you expect that even if it's about cooking or mining. There's no reason to say that it's a synonym of "Stealth Mages", the Naruto world's ninjas are Naruto world's ninjas. |
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Vanisher said: I did.Tell me something i didn't know. Vanisher said: You're putting words into my mouth. You're good at that.You would complain if it was otherwise (as other people want) and you would call that unrealistic Vanisher said: The only thing that proves, is that my emotional attachment to a series outweighs my critical interpretation of it.and yet you say things like this: "Plot holes? Inconsistencies? Doesn't matter. This series was amazing. Don't give a shit " If, perhaps, KNIM decided to continue berating me with contrived drama every single chapter, with no breathing room or breaks, I probably wouldn't mind it all that much. I like the characters too much to let bad plot ruin it for me. But I find it obnoxious that people complain that it doesn't do that. I prefer chocolate to peanut butter, but that doesn't mean that I hate peanut butter. But it does annoy me when people complain about chocolate. Does that analogy make any sense for you? But regardless, Guilty Crown and Kimi no Iru Machi are two completely different genres with two completely different stories. Guilty Crown was unrealistic from the very first episode. |
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| Not sure what counts as mainstream anime but I only hate an anime if its pure shit. Like Clannad for example. Series like Naruto and Bleach are bad, but they aren't as garbage as shows like SAO or Clannad, so I don't really hate on them. |
Nidalee said: Not sure what counts as mainstream anime but I only hate an anime if its pure shit. Like Clannad for example. Series like Naruto and Bleach are bad, but they aren't as garbage as shows like SAO or Clannad, so I don't really hate on them. Clannad is pretty mainstream, yeah. |
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| people hate Bleach and Naruto cause of the fillers, Clannad got none. I have no reason to hate any. |
TheTaker said: people hate Bleach and Naruto cause of the fillers, Clannad got none. I have no reason to hate any. Clannad having/not having fillers is irrelevant to why people hate it. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
TheTaker said: people hate Bleach and Naruto cause of the fillers, Clannad got none. I have no reason to hate any. There's really no reason to hate an anime because of fillers... You can just skip them. Besides, first half of Clannad AS is pretty much filler. Its much more justified for hating an anime with shitty writing and bad characters. While this applies to both Naruto and Bleach, they aren't on the level of Clannad and SAO. Or some other shitty anime. |
Tavor said: agree, but that's why I won't put Clannad as mainstream hate. Every anime has its haters.TheTaker said: people hate Bleach and Naruto cause of the fillers, Clannad got none. I have no reason to hate any. Clannad having/not having fillers is irrelevant to why people hate it. |
TheTaker said: Tavor said: agree, but that's why I won't put Clannad as mainstream hate. Every anime has its haters.TheTaker said: people hate Bleach and Naruto cause of the fillers, Clannad got none. I have no reason to hate any. Clannad having/not having fillers is irrelevant to why people hate it. Of course any medium will have its haters. Still, if Clannad is ranked #5 (namely After Story) here at MAL, I'd say that's pretty mainstream... |
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Nidalee said: you can only speak for yourself, plenty of people hate Bleach and Naruto for the fillers. first half of Clannad AS sorry to say are not fillers, they are relevant to the growth and development of Tomoya.TheTaker said: people hate Bleach and Naruto cause of the fillers, Clannad got none. I have no reason to hate any. There's really no reason to hate an anime because of fillers... You can just skip them. Besides, first half of Clannad AS is pretty much filler. Its much more justified for hating an anime with shitty writing and bad characters. While this applies to both Naruto and Bleach, they aren't on the level of Clannad and SAO. Or some other shitty anime. |
Tavor said: I think popularity is what mainstream is about. It's the mainstream, has the most people watching it, regardless of the quality. With that in mind Clannad has 10 anime that are more mainstream than it.TheTaker said: Tavor said: agree, but that's why I won't put Clannad as mainstream hate. Every anime has its haters.TheTaker said: people hate Bleach and Naruto cause of the fillers, Clannad got none. I have no reason to hate any. Clannad having/not having fillers is irrelevant to why people hate it. Of course any medium will have its haters. Still, if Clannad is ranked #5 (namely After Story) here at MAL, I'd say that's pretty mainstream... |
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| I don't know why people would hate on Clannad. Maybe hipsters, but that is about it. The show was by no means good, but it wasn't bad either. It was average. If you hate it, it means that you probably had incredible expectations for it and were let down. Also, grouping a seinen slice of life with a shounen action/pseudo-romance... come on. You're just basically saying, "I'm a massive troll and I'm trying REALLY hard to bait." Why are people even giving this guy attention? |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
IntroverTurtle said: I think popularity is what mainstream is about. It's the mainstream, has the most people watching it, regardless of the quality. With that in mind Clannad has 10 anime that are more mainstream than it. Ah, that would make better sense then. |
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Tavor said: once again I agree, but its not the typical mainstream hate you get associated with fillers. I can only count the hate as dislike to Clannad than be put in a class of mainstream anime.TheTaker said: Tavor said: agree, but that's why I won't put Clannad as mainstream hate. Every anime has its haters.TheTaker said: people hate Bleach and Naruto cause of the fillers, Clannad got none. I have no reason to hate any. Clannad having/not having fillers is irrelevant to why people hate it. Of course any medium will have its haters. Still, if Clannad is ranked #5 (namely After Story) here at MAL, I'd say that's pretty mainstream... |
| I hate mainstream because its mainstream. And not just anime, all things mainstream suck. |
| I made some killer babaganoush... FOR VALHALLA!!! |
IntroverTurtle said: Elfen Lied being #6 in popularity makes me want to cry.With that in mind Clannad has 10 anime that are more mainstream than it. |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
Exmortus420 said: It's a proven fact.I hate mainstream because its mainstream. And not just anime, all things mainstream suck. Once something reaches a certain level of popularity, it instantly becomes crap. No exceptions. Because.. sheep.. or something. |
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Exmortus420 said: I hate mainstream because its mainstream. And not just anime, all things mainstream suck. You lack underground stuff found on the DateYutaka's list. You have a rather popular anime in your favorite as well *cough TTGL *cough* |
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Tavor said: He's trolling...Exmortus420 said: I hate mainstream because its mainstream. And not just anime, all things mainstream suck. You lack underground stuff found on the DateYutaka's list. You have a rather popular anime in your favorite as well *cough TTGL *cough* All of his favorites are well known anime that are generally accepted as the cream of the crop. |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| I love most mainstream stuff. Not because it's mainstream, but because I love it. A lot of it just happens to be mainstream (and likely for a reason). What amuses me are the people hating on mainstream stuff just because it's mainstream (thus trying to gain the appearance of nonconformity). You do realize that by hopping on the bandwagon of going against mainstream just because it's mainstrream means you're conforming. Don't worry about whether something is popular or not, like what you like and don't like what you don't like, then you'll be a true nonconformist. |
Sophilia said: Holybaptiser said: You're not the only one. It was enjoyable, but 6th...?IntroverTurtle said: Elfen Lied being #6 in popularity makes me want to cry.With that in mind Clannad has 10 anime that are more mainstream than it. I don't find that surprising to be honest. Nudity and blood everywhere can attract a lot of attention. Holybaptiser said: He's trolling... All of his favorites are well known anime that are generally known as accepted as the cream of the crop. Well, that sucks the fun out of it. |
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dperolio said: Yeah it's the same with me, there's a reason why they become mainstream.I love most mainstream stuff. Not because it's mainstream, but because I love it. A lot of it just happens to be mainstream (and likely for a reason). Tavor said: Me neither, that's something that a lot of people like because most countries don't make cartoons with gore and sex.I don't find that surprising to be honest. Nudity and blood everywhere can attract a lot of attention. |
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Tavor said: Exmortus420 said: I hate mainstream because its mainstream. And not just anime, all things mainstream suck. You lack underground stuff found on the DateYutaka's list. You have a rather popular anime in your favorite as well *cough TTGL *cough* wat dat? stuff like 69 pink riders is underground? |
OchimushaFeb 10, 2013 5:48 PM
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YorozuyaGinSan said: wat dat? Well, perhaps I used the wrong terminology. Basically I was saying he didn't have anime that was 'non-mainstream'. People like DateYutaka fish out a lot of old anime, even having them as favorites, which nowadays could be considered as being a 'hipster'. |
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