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Jan 6, 2013 4:49 AM
#51
Some people here sound like my grandparents in a bad way. I suppose it's that the times are leaving them behind and they're not able to cope with the light-speed changes. It's still no reason to knock the current generation. Old people should realize that not all young people are stuck inside the house in front of monitors. There are good parents around that encourage their kids to play tennis with them or participate in triathlons. Those said parents know the great value and service the internet provides their kids. It doesn't take much intelligence to know that kids today are more knowledgeable of a myriad of things than their parents did at the same age (not only of sex but that phrase 'Google is your friend'). If used wisely, technology lifts a great burden to parents - school matters, location and contacts. I don't want to go back without the current technology. If anything, I feel sorry for the old blokes who feel this way. So old yet still alive. Why don't you adapt for a change? |
Jan 6, 2013 4:51 AM
#52
drinkbeer said: George Orwell - - Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. /thread Funny thing is, I spend most of my time inside when I was younger, and i'm the same age as the OP. |
Jan 6, 2013 4:56 AM
#53
uzu-dragons said: katsucats said: "Go outside" is weak. Why is any activity involving going outside considered intrinsically better than any other activity? Compared to sitting an texting or doing something else electronically? The memories that come out of it-- riding your bikes around the neighborhood, plaing basketball/football in the streets with the other kids on the street or friends. That's time well spent. How many experiences of gaming/texting/whatever can a person recall that will give them feelings of nostalgia? Doing something productive is better, too. Making bracelets, drawing, whatever. My best memories are from WoW, other online games, playing on my gameboy or N64(with friends). So I heavilly disagree with what you said. |
Jan 6, 2013 4:58 AM
#54
uzu-dragons said: By learning and practicing a skill. Sure, younger kids could learn some computer programming while they sit on the computer, but it's unlikely. And useful skills can be learned from the internet, but that depends on whether the user (kids, in this case) are using it for such means. I learned an entire language(English) from the internet, so once again you're wrong. Could you also stop stating your opinion as a fact? |
Jan 6, 2013 6:04 AM
#55
rederoin said: I learned an entire language(English) from the internet, so once again you're wrong. Could you also stop stating your opinion as a fact? snaps for rederoin. how old were you when you learned the entire english language fluently, online? No where have I said that the internet isn't a tool for learning. Where was I wrong before? Because your opinion differed from mine? Right. rederoin said: My best memories are from WoW, other online games, playing on my gameboy or N64(with friends). So I heavilly disagree with what you said. >with friends |
Jan 6, 2013 6:08 AM
#56
Pettersson said: "Everything was better in the past." & "Kids these days." Classic grandmother statements. I'm feeling old. Thank you. |
LUL |
Jan 6, 2013 6:40 AM
#57
>with friends Your point? I was talking about how you state your opinions as facts. Like they are somehow better than the opinions of others. Atleast it seems that way. uzu-dragons said: snaps for rederoin. how old were you when you learned the entire english language fluently, online? Irrelevant to the discussion. No where have I said that the internet isn't a tool for learning. I wasn't using it as a tool to learn, you seem to imply that using the internet isn't helpful in learning something new. Where was I wrong before? Because your opinion differed from mine? Right. How many experiences of gaming/texting/whatever can a person recall that will give them feelings of nostalgia? This is not an opinion since you're talking about other people, thus it can be proven wrong, thus you are wrong. And useful skills can be learned from the internet, but that depends on whether the user (kids, in this case) are using it for such means. See above, you can learn things from the internet without the intend to learn those things, but just by doing whatever it is that you use the internet for. |
rederoinJan 6, 2013 6:48 AM
Jan 6, 2013 6:52 AM
#58
Not_Biased said: Sorry kids but a few years from now when you’re 70 the only fascinating story you’ll be able to tell your grandchildren is when you switched to the new facebook profile. That is happening right now... |
kek |
Jan 6, 2013 7:03 AM
#60
rederoin said: You counted being with friends playing games as one of your best memories, which only supports what I said. Your point? I was talking about how you state your opinions as facts. Like they are somehow better than the opinions of others. Atleast it seems that way. Do I need to put "I think that..." before everything so that you know it's an opinion? It should be obvious. Irrelevant to the discussion. No, your age then is relevant. This is a discussion about younger generations. Unless you were a kid when you learned English fluently on the computer, what you said would be irrelevant since it's already been established that the internet can be a tool for learning. I wasn't using it as a tool to learn, you seem to imply that using the internet isn't helpful in learning something new. You just said that you "once learned an entire language(English) from the internet." And I said before that the internet can be used to learn new things, things that one intends to learn or not, but given that we're talking about kids, it's unlikely that they're spending time on technology with an intent to learn. uzu-dragons said: How many experiences of gaming/texting/whatever can a person recall that will give them feelings of nostalgia? This is not an opinion since you're talking about other people, thus it can be proven wrong, thus you are wrong. rederoin said: have you even read all of the discussion between me and katsucats? Half the things you're bringing up are all things we've discussed.And useful skills can be learned from the internet, but that depends on whether the user (kids, in this case) are using it for such means. See above, you can learn things from the internet without the intend to learn those things, but just by doing whatever it is that you use the internet for. |
Jan 6, 2013 7:07 AM
#61
Sorry for them? No I listen to people that say the younger generation is the future. Then I laugh at how doomed we are, and the fact I will have no problem taking over the remains of wasteland. |
Jan 6, 2013 7:13 AM
#62
-Miyu- said: I feel sorry for the older generations. Feels like this, cuz I wan't mama and papa to play video games and enjoy tech with me. |
Jan 6, 2013 7:17 AM
#63
You kids nowadays don't know how lucky you are! Back in my day we had to work in the coal mines until 5am, and then we left again at 3am! We had to live in a shoe box in the middle of the road, AND WE WERE THE LUCKY ONES!! Kids nowadays. |
Jan 6, 2013 7:22 AM
#64
InfiniteRyvius said: Damn. Are you like 200 years old? You kids nowadays don't know how lucky you are! Back in my day we had to work in the coal mines until 5am, and then we left again at 3am! We had to live in a shoe box in the middle of the road, AND WE WERE THE LUCKY ONES!! Kids nowadays. See? This is why we should feel sorry for the older generations, not the younger generations. |
Jan 6, 2013 7:42 AM
#65
The only time I feel sorry for the younger generations is when I see how unrealistically high the school standards are now and the fact they have to pass the standardized test to go on to the next grade. |
Jan 6, 2013 7:53 AM
#66
I sometimes envy them, because they get to live longer most of the time. |
Jan 6, 2013 8:01 AM
#67
Nidstang said: I sometimes envy them, because they get to live longer most of the time. Not so much this generation due to obesity, it's out of control and worldwide not just the US of A. |
Jan 6, 2013 8:27 AM
#68
rederoin said: drinkbeer said: George Orwell - - Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. /thread Funny thing is, I spend most of my time inside when I was younger, and i'm the same age as the OP. rederoin said: My best memories are from WoW, other online games, playing on my gameboy or N64(with friends). So I heavilly disagree with what you said. We might have the same age but that's the difference between you and me and that's why you are the way you are |
Jan 6, 2013 8:35 AM
#69
I'll tell my grandkids about all of you guys, and we'll all be heroes. "Wow grandpa! You were on the internet before 2000? How was that even possible?" |
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. |
Jan 6, 2013 9:43 AM
#70
Short answer, not really. Long answer: I've never really felt sorry for younger generations because I generally subscribe to the belief that people, with their fundamental needs and desires, are basically the same in whatever recent era we discuss, despite having different toys and methods to amuse themselves. Does that mean that there are some bad traits in some younger people that I am not fond of? Forsaking actual physical social interaction in place of electronic interaction is something I'm a little uneasy with. I happened to meet a former student of mine a few years ago at an auto dealership while we were both having our vehicles serviced. We began to talk and reminisce, but within a few moments, he began to check his cell phone every single minute, giving me cursory nods and 'uh-huh' as acknowledgement. Personally I saw that as rude, but he probably simply saw it as multitasking. The funny thing is that this behavior and mindset has filtered upward and I often find myself having lunch with colleagues, some older than I, who cannot pry themselves away from their digital toys to even enjoy a nice meal and conversation. But by the same token, I'm sure I enraged the earlier generations with my lack of "sir" and "ma'am" at the end of each sentence, along with the way my parents' generation bucked the system decades ago for daring to be seen in public socially with members of another race. It's not necessarily a deliberate 'in your face' gesture, just a different way of looking at things that happens with every generation's value set. One could look at something like Strauss–Howe generational theory to get an inkling of how some people see generational evolution. S-H theorists would likely say that the discontent and disillusionment found in many people on this forum is due to their formative years being spent in an "unraveling" period, where we disregard institutions (and, by consequence, institutional morals) in favor of an almost-crassly individualistic view of life. S-H would say we need a "crisis" to set off a new way of thinking, moving toward a mindset more typical of the past, although I'm somewhat skeptical of this. The ice cream man never comes around anymore. When I was a kid, he would drive by every evening with his small white truck playing a music-box rendition of "Pop Goes the Weasel" and kids would swarm him like locusts, feeding him quarters in order to get the treat of his choice. When kids (or their parents) decided many years ago that "inside was better," he had to quit his route. Economically unfeasible, and something I was sad to see go. But then I remember that the kids inside now have access, if they choose, to almost all of the great works of literature of the past -- a great deal of the collected knowledge of humanity -- contact, albeit indirect, with not only the three or four friends who lived nearby, but a wide variety of people around the world -- instantly and free. But, this also comes with access to a substantial amount of pabulum and associated risk that will rot the mind as well. This could have been said of when public library cards became available last century in much the same way. Fair trade-offs? Who is to say? True generational evolution for me is generally a matter of two things: how we treat other people and how much we take for granted. The first is almost always a positive trend going forward, while the other is usually regressive. To explain: If you ask me what the main difference between any ancient human and an average modern teenager is, it's not their digital toys, nor their education and knowledge of pop-culture minutiae, but rather their sense of empathy. Human rights are something that develop slowly in the minds of men with occasional surges of extreme progress. Despite quite a bit of hate existing around the world, I think that we have, as a species, moved up Abraham Maslow's hierarchy a little in the last few hundred years to the point where we can afford to be empathetic to others, even to those who are not like us in some way (this is notably not happening, however, in many parts of the world where strife and daily life-or-death situations do not allow it.) And with some kids, it's at the point that even thinking any other way would be inconceivable, although they are only a generation or two removed from some of the worst hate crimes in history. An economy of plenty has surely hastened this, but if technology has also enabled this transition in some way, more power to it. The second difference is a natural byproduct of advancement: it's a loss of wonder. I still view the ability to post this message in a forum where anyone around the world can see and respond to it instantly as an absolute miracle, but I grew up in a time when handwritten letters were composed and mailed. For kids today, the Internet and all that goes along with it was "just always there". But that's natural. I never knew a time when I was growing up that my family did not have indoor plumbing, so I took it for granted, even though, in my opinion, it is really an amazing thing. The same could be said of me never having to worry about polio, even though it was a very real threat for my parents. Hopefully kids in the future won't increasingly overlook the miracles surrounding them, because that sometimes engenders that 'sense of entitlement' complaint that we often hear leveled against modern kids. About three years ago here in the USA there was a massive blizzard on the east coast that knocked out power to millions, some for 1-2 weeks. In that time, kids, once their cell batteries were depleted, were virtually transported to a century earlier for a little while. Some played outside, some talked with their family around their heating stove, some read books by candlelight. There were a few complaints, but most kids, surprisingly enough, had fond memories of it. There were a few who could not adjust and fell back on the "why did this happen to meeee?" attitude, and those are the ones I vaguely felt sorry for. It was an inconvenient event for many adults, but, in retrospect, it was one of the most valuable things that could happen to some of these kids in my opinion. It was not a S-H "crisis" by any means but it showed that, in most cases, kids are kids and people are people regardless of the era, even if all it takes is one flip of a switch to see it. |
Jan 6, 2013 9:46 AM
#71
Welcome to the Future The Planet is advancing, they're probably gonna make IPads that can be rolled up. What these younger generations should hope for are more Rare Earth Elements (Use to make IPods, Androids, Laptops, etc) and at a fair price like China. Australia is expensive, and they're searching for alternative sources but sooner or later they'll gonna run out. I'll be dead by the time that happens, so yes I feel bad. |
Jan 6, 2013 9:50 AM
#72
think you should feel sorry about how the older generations were if you use the coal mining example that infinite ryvius used http://www.historyhome.co.uk/peel/factmine/childmin.htm theres also the fact that people have imperfect memories (ie if you have a cognitive bias you can change your memories by believing something is true when it was clearly false) you can test this out by sticking a childhood photo of your parents on a circus and then asking them about that day. They'll make up details about an event that didn't occur because rationalistically it has empirical evidence (you have the photo) Illusory superiority has been found in studies comparing memory self-report, such as Schmidt, Berg & Deelman's research in older adults. This study involved participants aged between 46 and 89 years of age comparing their own memory to that of peers of the same age group, 25-year-olds and their own memory at age 25. This research showed that participants exhibited illusory superiority when comparing themselves to both peers and younger adults, however the researchers asserted that these judgements were only slightly related to age. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1076/1382-5585(199912)06:04;1-B;FT288 |
~"The place to improve the world is first in one's own heart and head and hands." (Pirsig) |
Jan 6, 2013 9:54 AM
#73
Jan 6, 2013 3:03 PM
#74
-Miyu- said: InfiniteRyvius said: Damn. Are you like 200 years old? You kids nowadays don't know how lucky you are! Back in my day we had to work in the coal mines until 5am, and then we left again at 3am! We had to live in a shoe box in the middle of the road, AND WE WERE THE LUCKY ONES!! Kids nowadays. See? This is why we should feel sorry for the older generations, not the younger generations. hahahahaa !! class!! but every 50 years or so is going to say the same thing... when the 'kids' have there own 'kids' they will say the same thing.. but tbh would you kill be be a few year younger? and just think if you were half your age and look at what you had to look farward to? |
Jan 6, 2013 3:06 PM
#75
I feel sorry for OP. |
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Jan 6, 2013 3:09 PM
#76
I feel sorry for them because they don't realize how soon their youth will be over. |
Ara ara. |
Jan 7, 2013 4:42 PM
#77
if the next generation is enjoying there "stuff" why should it matter to u, unless of course the things they do are illegal |
Jan 9, 2013 10:39 AM
#78
I do agree I miss the days when I went outside with my pokemon deck and battled every one in the neighborhood. |
Jan 9, 2013 10:41 AM
#79
A little |
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Jan 9, 2013 10:42 AM
#80
I feel sorry for Not_Biased and his complete and utter ignorance. |
Jan 9, 2013 10:54 AM
#81
Iri said: Everyone should read and enjoy this post. Well said, Iri.Short answer, not really. Long answer: I've never really felt sorry for younger generations because I generally subscribe to the belief that people, with their fundamental needs and desires, are basically the same in whatever recent era we discuss, despite having different toys and methods to amuse themselves. Does that mean that there are some bad traits in some younger people that I am not fond of? Forsaking actual physical social interaction in place of electronic interaction is something I'm a little uneasy with. I happened to meet a former student of mine a few years ago at an auto dealership while we were both having our vehicles serviced. We began to talk and reminisce, but within a few moments, he began to check his cell phone every single minute, giving me cursory nods and 'uh-huh' as acknowledgement. Personally I saw that as rude, but he probably simply saw it as multitasking. The funny thing is that this behavior and mindset has filtered upward and I often find myself having lunch with colleagues, some older than I, who cannot pry themselves away from their digital toys to even enjoy a nice meal and conversation. But by the same token, I'm sure I enraged the earlier generations with my lack of "sir" and "ma'am" at the end of each sentence, along with the way my parents' generation bucked the system decades ago for daring to be seen in public socially with members of another race. It's not necessarily a deliberate 'in your face' gesture, just a different way of looking at things that happens with every generation's value set. One could look at something like Strauss–Howe generational theory to get an inkling of how some people see generational evolution. S-H theorists would likely say that the discontent and disillusionment found in many people on this forum is due to their formative years being spent in an "unraveling" period, where we disregard institutions (and, by consequence, institutional morals) in favor of an almost-crassly individualistic view of life. S-H would say we need a "crisis" to set off a new way of thinking, moving toward a mindset more typical of the past, although I'm somewhat skeptical of this. The ice cream man never comes around anymore. When I was a kid, he would drive by every evening with his small white truck playing a music-box rendition of "Pop Goes the Weasel" and kids would swarm him like locusts, feeding him quarters in order to get the treat of his choice. When kids (or their parents) decided many years ago that "inside was better," he had to quit his route. Economically unfeasible, and something I was sad to see go. But then I remember that the kids inside now have access, if they choose, to almost all of the great works of literature of the past -- a great deal of the collected knowledge of humanity -- contact, albeit indirect, with not only the three or four friends who lived nearby, but a wide variety of people around the world -- instantly and free. But, this also comes with access to a substantial amount of pabulum and associated risk that will rot the mind as well. This could have been said of when public library cards became available last century in much the same way. Fair trade-offs? Who is to say? True generational evolution for me is generally a matter of two things: how we treat other people and how much we take for granted. The first is almost always a positive trend going forward, while the other is usually regressive. To explain: If you ask me what the main difference between any ancient human and an average modern teenager is, it's not their digital toys, nor their education and knowledge of pop-culture minutiae, but rather their sense of empathy. Human rights are something that develop slowly in the minds of men with occasional surges of extreme progress. Despite quite a bit of hate existing around the world, I think that we have, as a species, moved up Abraham Maslow's hierarchy a little in the last few hundred years to the point where we can afford to be empathetic to others, even to those who are not like us in some way (this is notably not happening, however, in many parts of the world where strife and daily life-or-death situations do not allow it.) And with some kids, it's at the point that even thinking any other way would be inconceivable, although they are only a generation or two removed from some of the worst hate crimes in history. An economy of plenty has surely hastened this, but if technology has also enabled this transition in some way, more power to it. The second difference is a natural byproduct of advancement: it's a loss of wonder. I still view the ability to post this message in a forum where anyone around the world can see and respond to it instantly as an absolute miracle, but I grew up in a time when handwritten letters were composed and mailed. For kids today, the Internet and all that goes along with it was "just always there". But that's natural. I never knew a time when I was growing up that my family did not have indoor plumbing, so I took it for granted, even though, in my opinion, it is really an amazing thing. The same could be said of me never having to worry about polio, even though it was a very real threat for my parents. Hopefully kids in the future won't increasingly overlook the miracles surrounding them, because that sometimes engenders that 'sense of entitlement' complaint that we often hear leveled against modern kids. About three years ago here in the USA there was a massive blizzard on the east coast that knocked out power to millions, some for 1-2 weeks. In that time, kids, once their cell batteries were depleted, were virtually transported to a century earlier for a little while. Some played outside, some talked with their family around their heating stove, some read books by candlelight. There were a few complaints, but most kids, surprisingly enough, had fond memories of it. There were a few who could not adjust and fell back on the "why did this happen to meeee?" attitude, and those are the ones I vaguely felt sorry for. It was an inconvenient event for many adults, but, in retrospect, it was one of the most valuable things that could happen to some of these kids in my opinion. It was not a S-H "crisis" by any means but it showed that, in most cases, kids are kids and people are people regardless of the era, even if all it takes is one flip of a switch to see it. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Jan 9, 2013 11:49 AM
#82
Post-Josh said: Iri said: Everyone should read and enjoy this post. Well said, Iri.Short answer, not really. Long answer: I've never really felt sorry for younger generations because I generally subscribe to the belief that people, with their fundamental needs and desires, are basically the same in whatever recent era we discuss, despite having different toys and methods to amuse themselves. Does that mean that there are some bad traits in some younger people that I am not fond of? Forsaking actual physical social interaction in place of electronic interaction is something I'm a little uneasy with. I happened to meet a former student of mine a few years ago at an auto dealership while we were both having our vehicles serviced. We began to talk and reminisce, but within a few moments, he began to check his cell phone every single minute, giving me cursory nods and 'uh-huh' as acknowledgement. Personally I saw that as rude, but he probably simply saw it as multitasking. The funny thing is that this behavior and mindset has filtered upward and I often find myself having lunch with colleagues, some older than I, who cannot pry themselves away from their digital toys to even enjoy a nice meal and conversation. But by the same token, I'm sure I enraged the earlier generations with my lack of "sir" and "ma'am" at the end of each sentence, along with the way my parents' generation bucked the system decades ago for daring to be seen in public socially with members of another race. It's not necessarily a deliberate 'in your face' gesture, just a different way of looking at things that happens with every generation's value set. One could look at something like Strauss–Howe generational theory to get an inkling of how some people see generational evolution. S-H theorists would likely say that the discontent and disillusionment found in many people on this forum is due to their formative years being spent in an "unraveling" period, where we disregard institutions (and, by consequence, institutional morals) in favor of an almost-crassly individualistic view of life. S-H would say we need a "crisis" to set off a new way of thinking, moving toward a mindset more typical of the past, although I'm somewhat skeptical of this. The ice cream man never comes around anymore. When I was a kid, he would drive by every evening with his small white truck playing a music-box rendition of "Pop Goes the Weasel" and kids would swarm him like locusts, feeding him quarters in order to get the treat of his choice. When kids (or their parents) decided many years ago that "inside was better," he had to quit his route. Economically unfeasible, and something I was sad to see go. But then I remember that the kids inside now have access, if they choose, to almost all of the great works of literature of the past -- a great deal of the collected knowledge of humanity -- contact, albeit indirect, with not only the three or four friends who lived nearby, but a wide variety of people around the world -- instantly and free. But, this also comes with access to a substantial amount of pabulum and associated risk that will rot the mind as well. This could have been said of when public library cards became available last century in much the same way. Fair trade-offs? Who is to say? True generational evolution for me is generally a matter of two things: how we treat other people and how much we take for granted. The first is almost always a positive trend going forward, while the other is usually regressive. To explain: If you ask me what the main difference between any ancient human and an average modern teenager is, it's not their digital toys, nor their education and knowledge of pop-culture minutiae, but rather their sense of empathy. Human rights are something that develop slowly in the minds of men with occasional surges of extreme progress. Despite quite a bit of hate existing around the world, I think that we have, as a species, moved up Abraham Maslow's hierarchy a little in the last few hundred years to the point where we can afford to be empathetic to others, even to those who are not like us in some way (this is notably not happening, however, in many parts of the world where strife and daily life-or-death situations do not allow it.) And with some kids, it's at the point that even thinking any other way would be inconceivable, although they are only a generation or two removed from some of the worst hate crimes in history. An economy of plenty has surely hastened this, but if technology has also enabled this transition in some way, more power to it. The second difference is a natural byproduct of advancement: it's a loss of wonder. I still view the ability to post this message in a forum where anyone around the world can see and respond to it instantly as an absolute miracle, but I grew up in a time when handwritten letters were composed and mailed. For kids today, the Internet and all that goes along with it was "just always there". But that's natural. I never knew a time when I was growing up that my family did not have indoor plumbing, so I took it for granted, even though, in my opinion, it is really an amazing thing. The same could be said of me never having to worry about polio, even though it was a very real threat for my parents. Hopefully kids in the future won't increasingly overlook the miracles surrounding them, because that sometimes engenders that 'sense of entitlement' complaint that we often hear leveled against modern kids. About three years ago here in the USA there was a massive blizzard on the east coast that knocked out power to millions, some for 1-2 weeks. In that time, kids, once their cell batteries were depleted, were virtually transported to a century earlier for a little while. Some played outside, some talked with their family around their heating stove, some read books by candlelight. There were a few complaints, but most kids, surprisingly enough, had fond memories of it. There were a few who could not adjust and fell back on the "why did this happen to meeee?" attitude, and those are the ones I vaguely felt sorry for. It was an inconvenient event for many adults, but, in retrospect, it was one of the most valuable things that could happen to some of these kids in my opinion. It was not a S-H "crisis" by any means but it showed that, in most cases, kids are kids and people are people regardless of the era, even if all it takes is one flip of a switch to see it. That was a good read and I agree with the message. |
Jan 9, 2013 12:10 PM
#83
Jan 9, 2013 12:19 PM
#84
As for music tastes? Well I just say lol. Sux for the new generation with mainstream being at an all time low. Wait for the next guy who compares the generations: Each generation has it's good and bad. It's just the internet which is the latest problem(along with more spoiled kids than usual) which is exposing children to many things they shouldn't be exposed to, and it's creating more shut-ins than previous generations. The good is information and also cultural awareness are booming for people who don't normally talk to other races. You can live in nowhereville and still talk to people from around the world. Violent games have already been around for a while now, so that can't be used for this new generation only. It's bad in a way that many are avoiding contact with other people irl but then again I think many in the new generation are going to keep getting smarter with information at their fingertips. Kids like this will begin to emerge Is it good or bad? I have mixed feelings but the information, entertainment, and stress relief for all ages that it carries, weighs a lot. |
NEETs (No Employment Education Training) are the least desirable people anybody would want to hire and yet they are the first choice to become moderators/admins around the internet. They have yet to have established a sense of responsibility or role in society and many are plain leeches (with minor exceptions). They are given "authority" to police sections of the internet with the powers of The Judge, Jury, and Executioner. Isn't that weird? -Migrating to another site- Update 11/9/2016 - Inactive Over a Year. Logged in to laugh at elections. |
Jan 9, 2013 1:16 PM
#85
Just saw this: Game play video: Grandmother (75) playing Mario with grandchildren http://nicoviewer.net/sm19755605 |
Jan 9, 2013 1:48 PM
#86
Post-Josh said: A good read, thanks.Iri said: Everyone should read and enjoy this post. Well said, Iri.Short answer, not really. Long answer: I've never really felt sorry for younger generations because I generally subscribe to the belief that people, with their fundamental needs and desires, are basically the same in whatever recent era we discuss, despite having different toys and methods to amuse themselves. Does that mean that there are some bad traits in some younger people that I am not fond of? Forsaking actual physical social interaction in place of electronic interaction is something I'm a little uneasy with. I happened to meet a former student of mine a few years ago at an auto dealership while we were both having our vehicles serviced. We began to talk and reminisce, but within a few moments, he began to check his cell phone every single minute, giving me cursory nods and 'uh-huh' as acknowledgement. Personally I saw that as rude, but he probably simply saw it as multitasking. The funny thing is that this behavior and mindset has filtered upward and I often find myself having lunch with colleagues, some older than I, who cannot pry themselves away from their digital toys to even enjoy a nice meal and conversation. But by the same token, I'm sure I enraged the earlier generations with my lack of "sir" and "ma'am" at the end of each sentence, along with the way my parents' generation bucked the system decades ago for daring to be seen in public socially with members of another race. It's not necessarily a deliberate 'in your face' gesture, just a different way of looking at things that happens with every generation's value set. One could look at something like Strauss–Howe generational theory to get an inkling of how some people see generational evolution. S-H theorists would likely say that the discontent and disillusionment found in many people on this forum is due to their formative years being spent in an "unraveling" period, where we disregard institutions (and, by consequence, institutional morals) in favor of an almost-crassly individualistic view of life. S-H would say we need a "crisis" to set off a new way of thinking, moving toward a mindset more typical of the past, although I'm somewhat skeptical of this. The ice cream man never comes around anymore. When I was a kid, he would drive by every evening with his small white truck playing a music-box rendition of "Pop Goes the Weasel" and kids would swarm him like locusts, feeding him quarters in order to get the treat of his choice. When kids (or their parents) decided many years ago that "inside was better," he had to quit his route. Economically unfeasible, and something I was sad to see go. But then I remember that the kids inside now have access, if they choose, to almost all of the great works of literature of the past -- a great deal of the collected knowledge of humanity -- contact, albeit indirect, with not only the three or four friends who lived nearby, but a wide variety of people around the world -- instantly and free. But, this also comes with access to a substantial amount of pabulum and associated risk that will rot the mind as well. This could have been said of when public library cards became available last century in much the same way. Fair trade-offs? Who is to say? True generational evolution for me is generally a matter of two things: how we treat other people and how much we take for granted. The first is almost always a positive trend going forward, while the other is usually regressive. To explain: If you ask me what the main difference between any ancient human and an average modern teenager is, it's not their digital toys, nor their education and knowledge of pop-culture minutiae, but rather their sense of empathy. Human rights are something that develop slowly in the minds of men with occasional surges of extreme progress. Despite quite a bit of hate existing around the world, I think that we have, as a species, moved up Abraham Maslow's hierarchy a little in the last few hundred years to the point where we can afford to be empathetic to others, even to those who are not like us in some way (this is notably not happening, however, in many parts of the world where strife and daily life-or-death situations do not allow it.) And with some kids, it's at the point that even thinking any other way would be inconceivable, although they are only a generation or two removed from some of the worst hate crimes in history. An economy of plenty has surely hastened this, but if technology has also enabled this transition in some way, more power to it. The second difference is a natural byproduct of advancement: it's a loss of wonder. I still view the ability to post this message in a forum where anyone around the world can see and respond to it instantly as an absolute miracle, but I grew up in a time when handwritten letters were composed and mailed. For kids today, the Internet and all that goes along with it was "just always there". But that's natural. I never knew a time when I was growing up that my family did not have indoor plumbing, so I took it for granted, even though, in my opinion, it is really an amazing thing. The same could be said of me never having to worry about polio, even though it was a very real threat for my parents. Hopefully kids in the future won't increasingly overlook the miracles surrounding them, because that sometimes engenders that 'sense of entitlement' complaint that we often hear leveled against modern kids. About three years ago here in the USA there was a massive blizzard on the east coast that knocked out power to millions, some for 1-2 weeks. In that time, kids, once their cell batteries were depleted, were virtually transported to a century earlier for a little while. Some played outside, some talked with their family around their heating stove, some read books by candlelight. There were a few complaints, but most kids, surprisingly enough, had fond memories of it. There were a few who could not adjust and fell back on the "why did this happen to meeee?" attitude, and those are the ones I vaguely felt sorry for. It was an inconvenient event for many adults, but, in retrospect, it was one of the most valuable things that could happen to some of these kids in my opinion. It was not a S-H "crisis" by any means but it showed that, in most cases, kids are kids and people are people regardless of the era, even if all it takes is one flip of a switch to see it. *insert respectful reaction gif that I wish I could insert here* |
Jan 9, 2013 1:51 PM
#87
Not_Biased said: Younger generations are growing up as lackluster individuals with no real character, other than the ones they play in perverted and violent videogames and the fake auto-tuned artists they download to their ipods. Everyone wants to pretend like the digital era is so glamorous but I know realistically it’s the very foundation that is killing everyone inside. When I was younger I used to actually go outside and enjoy the fresh air. Whatever happened to the good old times? I used to play out with about 10 friends on bikes. It’s really sad but I’m afraid that’s what society has turned into for these little kids and the old childhood routine we used to have when we were little will never come back. A phone, laptop, ipod, car. They want it all. Sorry kids but a few years from now when you’re 70 the only fascinating story you’ll be able to tell your grandchildren is when you switched to the new facebook profile. Hold on a moment, while I climb on to my moral high horse. ... Ah, there we go. *AHEM* "Too right good sir, too right indeed!" HYAA!!! *kicks horse and rides off into the sunset... |
AnnoKanoJan 9, 2013 3:09 PM
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Jan 9, 2013 4:38 PM
#88
Not_Biased said: Younger generations are growing up as lackluster individuals with no real character, other than the ones they play in perverted and violent videogames and the fake auto-tuned artists they download to their ipods. Everyone wants to pretend like the digital era is so glamorous but I know realistically it’s the very foundation that is killing everyone inside. When I was younger I used to actually go outside and enjoy the fresh air. Whatever happened to the good old times? I used to play out with about 10 friends on bikes. It’s really sad but I’m afraid that’s what society has turned into for these little kids and the old childhood routine we used to have when we were little will never come back. A phone, laptop, ipod, car. They want it all. Sorry kids but a few years from now when you’re 70 the only fascinating story you’ll be able to tell your grandchildren is when you switched to the new facebook profile. I'm pretty sure a lot of people will think their generation is better than the one that came after them. It will always be a repeating pattern. I loved 8-bit graphics, arcades, VHS & cassette tapes, browsing aisle after aisle for action figures at Toys "R" Us, watching BraveStarr and Defenders of the Earth, playing outside all day long with friends by creating our own games, etc. That was the shit. Do I feel sorry for the younger generation? I just say 'fuck the younger generation' and revel in my fading retro memories. |
Jan 9, 2013 4:45 PM
#89
Oh I DO feel sad for the younger generations (to me that is anyone from 35 and under as that is what I call 'younger'). I feel sad, because I KNOW the sad state of this planet (regardless of who's fault it is), and at my age, it is getting less and less important to fret as I am getting less and less likely to be around long enough to suffer as much as a lot of you might. If you are 35, it might mean limited reasons to care about retirement. If you are 25, it might mean limited reasons to care about survival. If you are 15, well chances are you are still too young to realize you might be totally fucked. The next 50 years could well be genuinely progressively horrible. Hey don't think it can't happen. I am sure people in 1910 were unprepared for WW1, WW2, Korea, The cold war, and several nasty moments in time like the Indo Pakistan war and the middle east's wars. You can do a lot of things in just 50 years. And all the things happening to the planet, well, you can't just declare peace and they all go away. |
While not technically anime, currently I am a big fan of Hatsune Miku. At least I can go see her in concert. |
Jan 9, 2013 6:39 PM
#90
Lesley_Roberta said: Oh I DO feel sad for the younger generations (to me that is anyone from 35 and under as that is what I call 'younger'). I feel sad, because I KNOW the sad state of this planet (regardless of who's fault it is), and at my age, it is getting less and less important to fret as I am getting less and less likely to be around long enough to suffer as much as a lot of you might. If you are 35, it might mean limited reasons to care about retirement. If you are 25, it might mean limited reasons to care about survival. If you are 15, well chances are you are still too young to realize you might be totally fucked. The next 50 years could well be genuinely progressively horrible. Hey don't think it can't happen. I am sure people in 1910 were unprepared for WW1, WW2, Korea, The cold war, and several nasty moments in time like the Indo Pakistan war and the middle east's wars. You can do a lot of things in just 50 years. And all the things happening to the planet, well, you can't just declare peace and they all go away. Any arguments as to why the world would go to shit? Otherwise those are nothing but baseless statements. |
Jan 9, 2013 6:43 PM
#91
Kazeshini said: I honestly share the same thoughts. It also comes down to a parenting. I understand it would be difficult as these kids are easily exposed to digital drugs everywhere they look, but parents need to be strict and not let their kids fall deeper into societies nonsense. That's basically the root of all problems with the "younger generation" Take away their Ipod, Twitter, Facebook page and whatya got? Just kids who need better guidance and parenting. |
Jan 9, 2013 6:45 PM
#92
drinkbeer said: George Orwell - - Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. This is pretty much all that needs to be said so....why is this thread still going on? |
"Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
Jan 9, 2013 6:51 PM
#93
I miss going mulberry bush picking. I do not miss almost drowning in a pool at that birthday party... But in general, I loved my non-electronic moments of playing as a kid and do hope all kids at least experience some of that fun. Then I hear about elementary schools getting rid of recess as it's a waste of time to them. I feel sorry for younger generations because, with all the things to fear out there, kids don't do much now. Everyone around me, young and old, still think I'm silly for insisting on not getting a smartphone but I don't want to be like those I see around me doing whatever on their phones everywhere from dinner to parties to (ugh) movie theaters. Not that I'm one of those people who go hiking and snowboarding every weekend but I like to look up and away from electronics every once in a while. |
Jan 9, 2013 6:56 PM
#94
insan3soldiern said: Because OP was successful.drinkbeer said: George Orwell - - Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. This is pretty much all that needs to be said so....why is this thread still going on? |
Jan 9, 2013 7:21 PM
#95
Well- I'm sure gonna feel bad that they didn't watch the old things we watched and played.... |
Jan 9, 2013 7:54 PM
#96
Shuhan said: drinkbeer said: George Orwell - - Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. Thread should have been closed after this. insan3soldiern said: drinkbeer said: George Orwell - - Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. This is pretty much all that needs to be said so....why is this thread still going on? Is there a reason why you'd like to see thought and discussion repressed so badly? Just curious, though it's a little ironic. |
Jan 9, 2013 8:26 PM
#97
Yeah, poor younger generations. They won't have your amazing childhood and they won't grow up like you did... poor them, really *cries* |
Jan 10, 2013 12:23 AM
#98
drinkbeer said: George Orwell - - Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. I agree with this statement. Although I can sympathize with you about the younger generation missing out on all the things and values that we had, the same can be said reversed... We'll always try to reminisce about how things were better in our days, just like our older generation. But standards change. Hell, I still think about my first video game console being n64. Their's is the freaken 360. We call Super Mario 64 a classic legend, they call Halo 3 a legend. It's a difference of opinion in terms of what you grew up with. Think about it with cell phones. I didn't get my first flip phone until I was in high school. Now a lot of elementary school kids even have smart phones. It's an ever changing environment, if you can't adapt with the new standards and values, you're gonna be one of the old grumpy people who keep complaining how things were better in your days :) . And I don't know about you, but you can't complain about people not going outside to play when I can bet you the majority of these people on these forums probably don't... |
Jan 10, 2013 12:41 AM
#99
Not really. In a way I'm envious. They're growing up with better and continually growing technology while still able to go to the park across the street. They have access to songs from Beethoven to the Beatles and so on and everyday probably learning something new and different in the schools. I mean when I was in Elementary school we still classified Pluto as a planet, but now kids would laugh at that thought. It's not like the outside world is foreign to the new generation; I see kids going out and having a good time while still being able to enjoy what technology offers. Isn't that what clubs/extra curricular activities are for as well at school? Now maybe technology has made us lazier in a lot of ways, but it has done a lot for us too. I know when I was watching anime in middle school I had no one I could talk to about it. Then the internet came about and I was able to converse with fellow people like everyone here with the same interests in one forum. So my answer will be an indecisive meh. |
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Jan 10, 2013 12:49 AM
#100
yeah cuz they wont have great music like my generation did. OR TOMOGACHIS OR KENAN AND KALE OR HEY ARNOLD #90sKID #SUBLIME #NYSNC |
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