| I'm not sure if it's just me, but I do not understand anime comedy at all, in fact I cringe at it most of the time. While I like the feel of comedy series like Azumanga Daio and Nichijou, I probably would have chuckled a few times, but never burst out laughing once. The only time I can actually remember really laughing in an anime was in Angel Beats, when Yuri placed the jet engines under the chairs to create a distraction. But apart from that, I don't think I've ever truly laughed in an anime. I suppose this is why I don't particularly go hunting for pure comedies, though I enjoyed the character development in Nichijou, and I have no idea why I so thoroughly enjoyed Lucky Star... I feel like it would be funnier if Japan used more universal humour, though not that they need to if they're almost exclusively selling to the Japanese market. So am I alone in this? Or do others get where I'm coming from? Is it a cultural thing? |
| I don't even know how to tackle this one... |
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| Uhh is it just the more perverted jokes you don't like or what exactly do you mean by japanese humor? |
| It's partly cultural, but some of the physical gags should be irrelevant. What other comedies have you watched that didn't make you lol? It's often due to types of comedy you might not be in to. I myself laughs at just about everything (even when I get trolled in Katanagatari) so I don't really have a problem with this. |
RandomPerson3 said: Uhh is it just the more perverted jokes you don't like or what exactly do you mean by japanese humor? Japanese humour. I'm just trying to understand why others find it funny, whereas I can't find any enjoyment in it. And yes, I understand it's made for the Japanese culture, but I'm wondering why people on this site, the majority of whom I can only assume are from western cultures (considering it's an english site) seem to find them funny also. |
| There is quite a lot of comedy bits that don't make me laugh at all in anime but there is some that does. Personally for me I think its because I have to read the subs, I feel like if I could understand what the characters were saying, It would be funnier to me due to the way that they would say things. I don't know if that point makes sense but I cant seem to explain it properly :|. |
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Kamio-chan said: Why don't I like things that I don't like? Why do you guys like things that I don't like? I can't. I just can't. I have lost the ability to can. |
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Negative-Travis said: Kamio-chan said: Why don't I like things that I don't like? Why do you guys like things that I don't like? I can't. I just can't. I have lost the ability to can. Exactly. Though is it wrong to want reasoning behind what it is that I don't like? |
| I'm a huge fan of comedy genre and i think it's just you who feels like that. Comedy anime like School Rumble, Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou, Minami-ke, Baka Test, Seto no Hanayome and some other good rated comedy anime proves that genre have something for fans. There is some really good humor in Skip Beat (shoujo) and even in Baccano! (action, seinen) But the sense humor differs for each one, so maybe that's the reason you're not enjoying it much. Just like you enjoyed Lucky Start while i didn't and same goes for Nichijou. On the other hand Azumanga Daioh has it good moments and boring moments for me. I can't see much comedy anime in your list either, so i'm not sure why are you making opinion on the whole genre. I believe if you watch few i mentioned and still feel the same, then i guess comedy anime are not for you. |
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Kamio-chan said: Negative-Travis said: Kamio-chan said: Why don't I like things that I don't like? Why do you guys like things that I don't like? I can't. I just can't. I have lost the ability to can. Exactly. Though is it wrong to want reasoning behind what it is that I don't like? It is when you're expecting us to be able to tell you. |
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Kamio-chan said: RandomPerson3 said: Uhh is it just the more perverted jokes you don't like or what exactly do you mean by japanese humor? Japanese humour. I'm just trying to understand why others find it funny, whereas I can't find any enjoyment in it. And yes, I understand it's made for the Japanese culture, but I'm wondering why people on this site, the majority of whom I can only assume are from western cultures (considering it's an english site) seem to find them funny also. Still didn't answer my question (what exactly do you mean by japanese humour?). Because there quite alot of different sort of humor in anime, which make me laugh my ass of. You have complete and utter ridiculousness humour, perverted humour, parodies, dark humour etc. |
RandomPerson3 said: Kamio-chan said: RandomPerson3 said: Uhh is it just the more perverted jokes you don't like or what exactly do you mean by japanese humor? Japanese humour. I'm just trying to understand why others find it funny, whereas I can't find any enjoyment in it. And yes, I understand it's made for the Japanese culture, but I'm wondering why people on this site, the majority of whom I can only assume are from western cultures (considering it's an english site) seem to find them funny also. Still didn't answer my question (what exactly do you mean by japanese humour?). Because there quite alot of different sort of humor in anime, which make me laugh my ass of. You have complete and utter ridiculousness humour, perverted humour, parodies, dark humour etc. He/she/it explicitly mentioned Azumanga Daioh, which is almost exclusively word-humor. Might have something to do with it. |
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Negative-Travis said: Kamio-chan said: Negative-Travis said: Kamio-chan said: Why don't I like things that I don't like? Why do you guys like things that I don't like? I can't. I just can't. I have lost the ability to can. Exactly. Though is it wrong to want reasoning behind what it is that I don't like? It is when you're expecting us to be able to tell you. I'm not expecting anyone to tell me, the whole point of discussion is so that I can listen to different points of view and in doing so, help myself understand why I dislike anime comedy. Han-yuu said: There is some really good humor in... Baccano! (action, seinen) Oh! Baccano! is the only Anime I've ever enjoyed almost exclusively for it's comedy. While I didn't laugh a lot, I just got a great big smile on my face every time Isaac and Miria showed up. Though I guess it is a more Western-style show. RandomPerson3 said: Still didn't answer my question (what exactly do you mean by japanese humour?). Because there quite alot of different sort of humor in anime, which make me laugh my ass of. You have complete and utter ridiculousness humour, perverted humour, parodies, dark humour etc. I'm sorry, I misread your question. As I said, I really enjoyed Baccano! I'm not sure I can really categorise 'Japanese Humour' it's more of a feeling I get. I suppose I'd associate it somewhat with very high-tension, physical/slapstick humour so that would be the over-the-top ridiculous humour that you mentioned. Perverted humour, while I wouldn't put it in my definition of 'Japanese Humour' is not enjoyable for me in the least. |
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| I'm not a big fan of the comedy myself but whenever there's a comedic scene in any anime I watch, I at least giggle 80% of the time :) It all depends on the characteristics of one person. |
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| From your profile it seems you don't like sex jokes. Many anime have loads of those so that might be a major thing for you. I mean, you dropped SAO because it seemed sexist? I didn't get that vibe at all... You remind me of a friend I know. He can't watch TTGL because it depicts women in sexy clothing. Supposedly because their body are objectified. |
Tachii said: From your profile it seems you don't like sex jokes. Many anime have loads of those so that might be a major thing for you. I mean, you dropped SAO because it seemed sexist? I didn't get that vibe at all... You remind me of a friend I know. He can't watch TTGL because it depicts women in sexy clothing. Supposedly because their body are objectified. Oh I'm not that touchy. I wouldn't be able to watch a lot of anime if that were the case. I just watch SAO at a time when I was really, really sick of anime tropes/recycled character templates/that new KyoAni art style that I really dislike. It was more the overt reinforcement of gender roles. I dropped it after Asuna said she'd maxed her cooking skill. |
| I think that was supposed to be a joke... Speaking of which, I'm also not fund of KyoAni's animation atm. Too much moe for me. I want to watch Hyouka but eh, KyoAni animation. :[ |
miereneronaile said: Kamio-chan said: It was more the overt reinforcement of gender roles. I dropped it after Asuna said she'd maxed her cooking skill. Never really thought of it like that, tis an interesting thought. Im not sure its entirely warranted though, as considering the fact its an MMO having skills like cooking is pretty damn normal.. But Asuna's a woman. Depicting a woman with mad cooking skills is sexist, don't you know? |
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| No not really. It would be like Monty Python watering down its English Humor. Yes some of it you might not get at first, but at the same time, do you want to..."Americianize" it? Its like food, music, clothing, the humor of a group of people gives you an insight into the culture and by extent the people. I find it very easy "to get" japanese humor. And if it were more International, you would lose out on a few aspects, and by extent what makes it, well what it is. It would be the same as what we've seen in the TV, Film, and now days gaming markets. All the same crap in a new dress. If everything were the same, the world and its many cultures would be a boring place indeed. |
RedArmyShogun said: No not really. It would be like Monty Python watering down its English Humor. Yes some of it you might not get at first, but at the same time, do you want to..."Americianize" it? Its like food, music, clothing, the humor of a group of people gives you an insight into the culture and by extent the people. I find it very easy "to get" japanese humor. And if it were more International, you would lose out on a few aspects, and by extent what makes it, well what it is. It would be the same as what we've seen in the TV, Film, and now days gaming markets. All the same crap in a new dress. If everything were the same, the world and its many cultures would be a boring place indeed. Interesting post, thanks for sharing. I didn't mean 'Americanise' when I said Japan could adopt a more universal type of humour, I literally meant humour that can be understood more easily by a multitude of cultures. But I definitely see your point. |
Kamio-chan said: I didn't mean 'Americanise' when I said Japan could adopt a more universal type of humour, I literally meant humour that can be understood more easily by a multitude of cultures. They could, but that would be shitting all over thousands of years of cultural development. Japan isn't the rest of the world, it's Japan. I say you should let them be Japanese. |
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Kamio-chan said: Interesting post, thanks for sharing. I didn't mean 'Americanise' when I said Japan could adopt a more universal type of humour, I literally meant humour that can be understood more easily by a multitude of cultures. But I definitely see your point. Hmm, not a problem I like talking about sociogeographical/politic topics, and that like. And I see your point to an extent, but you have to look at it from an artist perspective, and well frankly whats lost in translation. Its like when some Book's are made into movies with the goal of being where everyone can understand it. It turns to crap and a 180 from the story in almost every case. I also pose the question of, what is International? Of course it can be adapted to a Western Pallet, but then its not Japanese. No more than Acient Rome is Today's Italy. I mean, do you laugh if someone falls down stairs? I do. You might not. For example if someone rubs a kid that did something dumb on the head and says good boy like he was a dog, many in the West would find it funny. In the Mid East and sections of Africa doing that to a guys kid might get you killed, depending on the fathers mood. Or say someone goes face first into poo, or something in a sexual context. Some places funny, some places horrible. In the UK Throwing a shoe is a joke. In the Mid-east its among the worst insult. Laws, views, humor, food, there really is at times few things alike. You should never watch or read something of another people's unless you can open up to them and see things as they do. Of course thats not to say you have to agree with, support, or adapt it. Even if its an enemy "To learn how a person thinks, is to better learn to defeat them." |
| Well everyone have a different taste :) Note : Nichijou is one of the best comedy I've seen also school rumble too.. |
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| Guess the language/cultural gap might diminish intended humor sometimes, I hardly ever laughed at any japanese idioms but scenes like the one in angel beats did give me a good laugh Well I have to thank the sub groups for doing a good translation if i manage to understand a joke |
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| I don't really know of any pure comedy series that I've watched, but I find plenty of series funny enough even with the Japanese inside jokes. For example, it's rare to find a One Piece episode that hasn't gotten at least a chuckle out of me. It all depends on your sense of humor vs the comedy used I suppose. |
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-Miyu- said: Angel Beats!....good times. Angel Beats is shit though.... |
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Madeline said: -Miyu- said: Angel Beats!....good times. Angel Beats is shit though.... Best moment in Angel Beats! |
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| Can't say I've busted out laughing really hard, but I do chuckle and smirk more often than not when a scene is supposed to be humorous. However, a few moments in Baka to Test had me laughing at some parts. Really loved the part where the scene went manga style during the little 'pep talk' sessions that came out of nowhere, priceless~ |
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Hyack said: Madeline said: -Miyu- said: Angel Beats!....good times. Angel Beats is shit though.... Best moment in Angel Beats! Thanks for reminding me. That scene was hilarious XD. |
Hyack said: Madeline said: -Miyu- said: Angel Beats!....good times. Angel Beats is shit though.... Best moment in Angel Beats! Meh. |
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Madeline said: -Miyu- said: Angel Beats!....good times. Angel Beats is shit though.... Don't start this. OnT if you don't understand the jokes and culture references in comedies than don't watch them, It's not like Japan should change what they find funny just for you. I don't usually care for comedies either, mainly because comedies are the one thing that I can actually get on TV (that and history shows). If you want the comedy to be more Americanized with references that you understand then you could also watch the dubs since they usually change the jokes so that they are funnier for a western audience. |
Hyack said: Madeline said: -Miyu- said: Angel Beats!....good times. Angel Beats is shit though.... Best moment in Angel Beats! The bit where he strips and tells the teacher he looks thinner with clothes on :D |
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Kamio-chan said: Negative-Travis said: Kamio-chan said: Why don't I like things that I don't like? Why do you guys like things that I don't like? I can't. I just can't. I have lost the ability to can. Exactly. Though is it wrong to want reasoning behind what it is that I don't like? My brother (let's read as 'ossan') goes to the cinema and doesn't watch comedies because he won't laugh at all. He says that he was always like this. Still, if he watches another kind of movie he manages to laugh at those occasional jokes. Does it make sense? Most people (like me) would say no; probably people like you can understand it a little better, idk. I think that it depends on each person. Personally i find some animes such as One Piece, Gintama and Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou hilarious. |
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Slyr3do0n said: Madeline said: -Miyu- said: Angel Beats!....good times. Angel Beats is shit though.... Don't start this. OnT if you don't understand the jokes and culture references in comedies than don't watch them, It's not like Japan should change what they find funny just for you. I don't usually care for comedies either, mainly because comedies are the one thing that I can actually get on TV (that and history shows). If you want the comedy to be more Americanized with references that you understand then you could also watch the dubs since they usually change the jokes so that they are funnier for a western audience. That shit ain't about culture dude. Is about preferences. I didn't find the flying chairs very funny. Other did but i find lots of other comedy anime funny. It's not that i didn't get it, is more than is not my kind of humor. Actually flying chairs isn't even a culture humor that's why many liked it. It's basically simple humor of the "guy tripping falling down" style that is kind of universal. The reason many liked it is because that IS an Americanized humor. Personally i prefer my humor to have something smart in it than just be a three stooges roadunner gag humor of "look that guy hit the wall, ceiling, floor whatever, lets all have a laugh". That humor is cheap and lacks ingenuity. Making that kind of jokes is the easiest shit in the world. |
Monad said: That shit ain't about culture dude. Is about preferences. I didn't find the flying chairs very funny. Other did but i find lots of other comedy anime funny. It's not that i didn't get it, is more than is not my kind of humor. Actually flying chairs isn't even a culture humor that's why many liked it. It's basically simple humor of the "guy tripping falling down" style that is kind of universal. Personally i prefer my humor to have something smart in it than just be a three stooges roadunner gag humor of "look that guy hit the wall, ceiling, floor whatever, lets all have a laugh". That humor is cheap and lacks ingenuity. Making that kind of jokes is the easiest shit in the world. I wasn't talking about the flying chairs at all, just comedy anime in general, and yes there are lots of play on words, references and puns that people who don't speak Japanese completely miss. |
Slyr3do0n said: I wasn't talking about the flying chairs at all, just comedy anime in general, and yes there are lots of play on words, references and puns that people who don't speak Japanese completely miss. A good translation may help with that tho. (Translator Notes) |
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pokecenter said: Slyr3do0n said: I wasn't talking about the flying chairs at all, just comedy anime in general, and yes there are lots of play on words, references and puns that people who don't speak Japanese completely miss. A good translation may help with that tho. (Translator Notes) Ya, translator notes are useful, they helped me out a lot with Spice and Wolf and xxxHolic. |
Slyr3do0n said: pokecenter said: Slyr3do0n said: I wasn't talking about the flying chairs at all, just comedy anime in general, and yes there are lots of play on words, references and puns that people who don't speak Japanese completely miss. A good translation may help with that tho. (Translator Notes) Ya, translator notes are useful, they helped me out a lot with Spice and Wolf and xxxHolic. Helped me with Gintama. Honestly, there's high chances that whoever watches Gintama without the T/N's won't be able fully enjoy it (unless if they perfectly understand japanese). There's more shows that the T/Ns also help from time to time; and that'sone of the reasons why i prefer subs over dubs (comedy wise). |
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Kamio-chan said: I really need to ask: why? What good would it bring? Other than wider market but that's a really shallow reasoning. If things like humour were 'understood by a multitude of cultures' then it would be no longer a 'multitude'. You can talk about cultures because there are still things which are not universal. And thank God for this. There are things we can't understand and there's nothing wrong with it. Why would anyone want everyone have a similar sense of humour?I didn't mean 'Americanise' when I said Japan could adopt a more universal type of humour, I literally meant humour that can be understood more easily by a multitude of cultures. If we talk about comedy in anime then there different types of it. Find your niche and enjoy it. It's normal to be wondering why some people find certain things funny but it's nothing surprising. I find most things passing as comedy in my country in a bad taste or just stupid but I know there are... ehem... different people who like it and I don't expect them to develop some kind of universal sense of humour. If we talk about Japanese sense of humour then you can like it or not. Of course if you study that culture you will eventually understand why it it like it is. But it doesn't mean you will find it any more funny. I don't mind if it's different as long as no one is forcing me to laugh. Same way I don't need other people to understand humour in my culture. I'll just thing they are stupid and move on with my life. |
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| There's no such thing as a universal type of humour anyways. What people laugh at things vary across different people based on past experience. |
| Most comedy in anime these days revolves around cute girls doing stupid things. I actually found polar bear cafe pretty funny even though its a kids show. It varies from person to person, culture to culture. "universal type of humor" I don't think really exists, it sort of implies everyone will think its funny. |
| Okay to clarify, I am not saying Japan should adopt a more universal style of humour, I was merely posing it as a discussion question. Secondly, yes, that was the moment I laughed in angel beats and it was because of two universal traits of humour, timing and unexpectedness. |
| Watch Excel Saga. If that doesn't make you laugh, it means your laugh box is broken and you should see a doctor... |
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| Just stick to American cartoons if dat kind of comedy appeals you more.. |
natssuu said: Just stick to American cartoons if dat kind of comedy appeals you more.. I don't particularly like american cartoon comedy either. |
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