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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This episode of AKB pushed itself nicely with the concert in the beginning and some nice interactions from 76th/77th generations but also from the older girls whom are successors. It nicely turns out into many formats from comedic to dramatic. However damn shit got serious at the end of this episode. Especially since at first it all went nicely. The sortie and start in the spoiler  Holy shit! Blood? O_O Hurt? Grrrrrr, that’s not good to my eyes seeing all those bruises in the spoiler Yuuko and Kanata are really worried sick. That is so obvious in the spoiler Truly the end of the episode leaves one with worrisome elements over Takamina. Those scars! That blood! Grrrrrr nothing but RAGE over them. Still proud of Chieri for her nice performance along with the other girls. The lights, SFX and setup were splendid. Might edit later. |
akbfan said: I ROFL so hard at this video. Yeah OUCH! That really does hurt. She must have a strong head to do this. WOW! It's all I will say.And Suzuko way to deal with the 76th gen trainees was funny XD Channeling Ichikawa Miori famous headbutt? lol akbfan said: It's obvious it's something of Chieri. Perhaps some chips inside of her inserted of injected? Maybe some form of tracking device for sure. There would be no other explanation as to why they suddenly appear here and there. Especially while Chieri is out on the open.I haven't seen the sub and my japanese isn't that good so I'll wait but I feel like the DES scene was kinda forced drama. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it and Mari Okada is known for her dramatic script, but I kinda want a reason for why the ship showed up...unless they got like a tracking chip on AKB and was expecting them to show up. I guess it make more sense to go with the 2nd guess since the peace conference seem like big news and AKB0048 probably make it publicly that they're coming. akbfan said: Nah, I think what they outputted in fan service is enough itself. However I think more of it will come from the OP elements. IDK....considering the storyline is kinda shoujo-ish mix with shounen that is more storyline and character focus...Maybe they need more moe shit and show more boobies to get more attention?....<___< Or maybe people just make quick judgement because this is a storyline about singing idols based on a real group? Furthermore from your explanation of the censored bloody video, I can see as of this episode SHIT HITS THE FANS with loads of blood/injuries possible becoming more and more of a real possibility within this series. Perhaps they may show us what happens when a Idol dies and Kirara relation. What does it imply? IMO I hope for no death in this series but it might undeniable that it could happen with this episode being a close one. So I think that the series is doing mighty fine with the element mixture. |
akbfan said: Yeah that was my point. The amount and exposure level is fine enough for this series and they should keep it like that. Concentrating more on other elements should be primordial as priority. Just saying there is one part of the OP that shows some that was not shown yet.Yumekichi11 said: Nah, I think what they outputted in fan service is enough itself. However I think more of it will come from the OP elements. . Not really. I mean if you compare it to the other show this season like Tasogare, there's really not that much fanservice, and when there is, it's really limited and not that sexual at all. I guess it depend on what people interpret as "fanservice." Showing some skins might be consider fanservice to others but so far, I don't see it put across in a blatantly or excessively sexual. The girls outfits aren't really that sexual either and is more cute than anything. |
akbfan said: Oh then, I did not pick up your sarcasm. Since I do now, then I would agree with it.Yumekichi11 said: akbfan said: Yeah that was my point. The amount and exposure level is fine enough for this series and they should keep it like that. Concentrating more on other elements should be primordial as priority. Just saying there is one part of the OP that shows some that was not shown yet.Yumekichi11 said: Nah, I think what they outputted in fan service is enough itself. However I think more of it will come from the OP elements. . Not really. I mean if you compare it to the other show this season like Tasogare, there's really not that much fanservice, and when there is, it's really limited and not that sexual at all. I guess it depend on what people interpret as "fanservice." Showing some skins might be consider fanservice to others but so far, I don't see it put across in a blatantly or excessively sexual. The girls outfits aren't really that sexual either and is more cute than anything. Oh Idk if you get my sarcasm in the original post but I was implying if this anime was more moe or fanservicy, people will probably watch it more which is kinda of annoying... I don't want AKB0048 to got that way. |
| I thought the series would focus mostly on Nagisa and Chieri. It is nice to see Kanata getting some good chunk of the story, though. |
| In topic of CGI: Kill it! KILL IT WITH FIRE! this is still weakerst part of this show - like they couldn't pay those guys who are working with Precure to do something that doesn't look as eternal abomination But what a lovelly climate they have there :P but Sonata to the rescue! she could take all DES forces with toothpick and umbrella - yet that scene in the train was... it felt wasted or rushed and last battle, I like how it was made, explosions, rays of light and such were nice. That angsty part after it was ok, not the best but fine (BTW why couldn't they simply send more battleships to crush that AKB ship? It's easier and cheaper I think + naming of planets, I love) I still can't gest used to Suzuko's voice |
| I seriously hope Takamina doesn't end up dying, or any of the other senbatsu members. I'm getting pretty attached to them. Also, felt kind of sorry for the 76th gens, since they are mostly just there to fill in the gap between the 75th and 77th. With the 77th gens being the protagonists of this anime (with Kanata and Mimori) they are pretty much going to stay jealous kenkyuuseis. |
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| I have nothing against Takamina, but they're introducing way too many characters and focusing on them way too much. They haven't even spent any time with Suzuko or Makoto (even though I don't really like either of them, but I might if they got some development; Suzuko is annoying). Orine and Yuuka are due for some more characterization as well. Sonata's voice is extremely annoying. Probably because it's the stereotypical loli voice. Also, WAY TOO LITTLE NAGISA SCREEN TIME. Fuck. More Nagisa, less everyone else. The space battle was actually pretty cool. It was a lot smoother and more exciting than a lot of other mecha out there (*cough* Gundam *cough*). Got some actual blood out of it. I was excited... don't know about you. Narrow down the focus of characters to the mains and it'll be a lot better off. |
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| I'm glad that Takamina survived but I do hope she get over her problem |
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| I just can't get enough of the drama in this series. Taking on the dangers that surround playing on a 100% entertainment ban planet is something to admire, but to go in with DES going all out to put an end to all of 00, that is real heart. Takamina is still hurting deep from the revelation of the selection process, can't say I blame her, but I hope she gets better soon. Kanata is really starting to grow on me as a member of AKB, she shows so much dedication, I really wish both her and Takamina could be together in these performances. :( This is shaping up to be in my top three for this season. |
| Really good words of wisdom from Yuuko at the end. Takamina should care about other but she shouldn't let them get in the way of her dream. |
| Such a great episode ~ And it just reminds me why I consider it the best of the season ~ Things are probably going to get much worse soon enough. I can imagine lots of pasts catching up with our beloved understudies. |
| Amazing episode, it was great to see a battle like that and the drama was great. This quality of this show is steadily increasing, which is a good thing to see. Can't wait for the next episode, I always have an urge to watch this first. |
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akbfan said: The majority of the characters are lolis by definition. She's the only one with the super-annoying stereotypical pedobait loli voice....Sonata is 10. She is a loli :| akbfan said: The supporting characters shouldn't be getting as much screen time/development as mains; in the cases of Suzuko and Makoto--MAIN characters--supports are actually getting MORE than mains.And there's 17 characters in total..9 main and 8 supports. Pretty hard to give even screentime. I think Okada is doing a good job as it is. Since Suzuko and Makoto and other characters don't seem like the main considering the OP sequence, their development will probably come later...or very minimal. Nagisa, Chieri, and Kanata is the main focus of this show that get higher priority, but agree on other girls need development too. Yuka thing might have to do with her boyfriend. Nagisa was painted as the main character in the beginning, but post-episode 3, she rarely gets more than a few lines per episode, which is hugely disappointing, seeing how she's the strongest character in the show. There hasn't been enough dealing with the Nagisa/Chieri dynamic. Also, Yuuka and Orine were also there at the beginning at the concert they saw together, but haven't had any one-on-one interactions with Chieri since, and there definitely need to be some. Those interactions would undoubtedly help the latter, since they need some development anyway. |
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| Another strong episode, I enjoyed the drama but it feels like they are pushing it too hard with Takamina and Kanata after last week's revelation. Dalek-baka said: I swear, don't they realize that it looks terrible and during the performance they jumped from CG to normal style for no reason and that happened last week, too.In topic of CGI: Kill it! KILL IT WITH FIRE! Dalek-baka said: That's why I fucking hate her.I still can't gest used to Suzuko's voice |
| Best episode so far in my opinion. I loved seeing the three on stage after working so hard. The emotion was great and Yuuko said some pretty inteligent things concerning the girls' dreams and how they conflict. I don't like seeing Takamina in that state and she also ended up hurting Kanata indirectly. The concert at the beginning was my high point. Seeing Kanata, Chieri and Mimori on stage made my day!!!! |
| They better have a second season planned already because there's so many characters to develop especially Nagisa. lol at that headbutt. I'm a bit surprise Sae was one of the 76th gen who got promoted. |
MagitoJun 18, 2012 9:39 PM
akbfan said: Oh what!? They are going to new planet with new clothing and it's winter there? Seems like it. Flashbacks are there so that's good. Action seems to come at one point. Another good thing, not good if more blood on the girls will occur. Idols + Blood never should mix in too much. It does not suit each other. Anyone want more character development..we might get it next ep. I will be looking forward to the snow SFX and the atmosphere change to occur with this new episode coming up. |
| So anyone wondering about 2nd season... Nothing has been officially announced but Thomas Romain (a french staff member) posted this shortly before the show aired "The first show should be 13 episodes long and a sequel with as many episodes is planned shorty afterwards (I have no idea if I the right to say this,oh well...)" However, they finished recording for the first 13 season.  There might be a break time between the season but another season coming up seem possible. It's AKB so I'm not worry about BD sales. |
akbfan said: There might be a break time between the season but another season coming up seem possible. It's AKB so I'm not worry about BD sales. Not bad, not bad I will probably import it - it's not the best show but it's entertaining in a positive way :) and if they would try to deal with all things in those 12 ep it would be not enough time |
Zhou said: Dalek-baka said: I swear, don't they realize that it looks terrible and during the performance they jumped from CG to normal style for no reason and that happened last week, too.In topic of CGI: Kill it! KILL IT WITH FIRE! Actually, I don't mind the CGI at all and I'll rather have that than half assed animation aka a few still shot of character 'dancing' and singing with BGM. Some people don't get that show got a limited budget. If they animated the concert like you actually want it they would have to cut somewhere else and either everything would get pretty much meh or either we'll have some decent dancing and singing scene at the cost of shitty animation for the rest of the serie. I think that the CGI are a good alternative as it's much cheaper to do a 3D model dance than a 2D fluid dance. 3D CGI aren't there to be fancy, they are a cheaper alternative to 2D animation and are here to regulate the watching experience as to not have big ups at the cost of big downs. |
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| TAKAMINAAAAAAAAAAAA ;~; I feel so sorry for her, having to choose between her dream and Kanata's. I don't know who I'm rooting for, I like both of them. When Takamina did that escape pod I thought she was done for! I'm definitely hoping for a 2nd season, I don't see how they can tie everything up in just 4 more episodes. |
chibola said: OMG I ONLY CAME HERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO PUT THIS ANIME ON MY FAVORITES!!!! THE TAKAMINA PLOT POINT WAS BRILLIANT! I mean, most anime I've watched always said to follow one's dreams, but TO ME, this is the first time that anime addresses dreams conflicting with each other, especially between main characters, fighting on the "good" side of the spectrum, rather than one being "good" and another being "evil." IT'S AWESOME BECAUSE I LOVE BOTH KANATA AND TAKAMINA, AND I WANT THE BEST FOR BOTH OF THEM, BUT THEY BOTH WANT THE SAME THING, AND I JUST CAN'T CHOOOOSEEEEE! THIS IS MIND-BLOWING TO MEEEEE! OMG I AM SO BUYING THE DVD'S, PLEASEEEE COME OUT WITH ANOTHER SEASON, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS SHOW IS GOING TO END SOON :( :( :(!! Was that sarcastic? Troll harder or watch more anime, I can't say how many time this theme has been explored but I sure remember it a lot |
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akbfan said: OMFG...I watched this just because of AKB but this is really becoming one of my favorite anime of the season, and I tried to watch almost all anime airing ...The drama of this ep really drew me in...;A; I jumped in for the sheer fun and idiocy of the premise, got a great show in response. You're not wrong. |
DraconisMarch said: Narrow down the focus of characters to the mains and it'll be a lot better off. The series is about AKB0048 and their life and struggles generally: not a bunch of "main" girls in a group called AKB0048. Each character with their own problem point has been used to handle and depict particular area or problem of idol life like Orine episode dealt with anti phenomenom and recent episodes deal with the nature of succession and if you should sacrifice your own dreams for those of others. Closest thing to main characters you have are the Nagisa and Chieri who have got the just amount of screen time their status warrants even in episodes focusing on issues depicted through other cast members. Speaking of which, the reason why Nagisa and Chieri are at the heart of the show is that they in turn depict the core issue about how to be idol and how one should act, as a ruthless competitor or a team player. Thus even their status is explained by show's narrative focus and their role in depicting a point show wants to make, not by their "mc:ness" or that story revolves around them. 0048 is just like Yamato in this sense: what that show always depicted as a main character was the ship and the struggle of its crew as one entity, not the characters themselves (some of whom were more relevant than others of course, just like in 0048). If you criticize show for focus issues you better know what the focus is in the first place. Given what they're trying to do with the cast and what th show tries to depict the focus has been spot on. More than that if there's any point you could've criticized the show for introducing too many characters it would've been first two that dumped majority of the cast on viewer's lap one after another. Which in retrospect was completely legit move because the set pieces had to be put in place by the third episode and the focus is on the group itself (over any singular character with others being there for eg. Nagisa and Chieri to play off with). The "main cast" has been unchanged since episode 4 which brought in 75th generation. Only change is that now we're actually having a look at the successor side of things too because it is relevant and called for by the nature of drama and conflict (succession). Even then the only one to receive strong focus is Takamina because she's the one the drama needs. Blaming show for introducing "focusing on too many characters" is not justifiable in my eyes. This requires a) misinterpretation of show's focus in general and what it tries to depict and in this specific case b) focus on Takamina is essential. Takamina's enlargened role is demanded by the succession drama. If it wasn't her it would be some other successor member in her stead but choosing the "captain" makes it more impactful and she has pre-existing link with Kanata whose own character and drama can be depicted with this too. A link that doesn't exist between any other undergraduate and a successor so the choice is all the more obvious. And just leave it to the Japanese AKB fans....Don't worry about it. If AKB can sell over 1 million of 8 of their CDs, 7 CDs back to back, 3 CDs sold 1 million on the first day and is one of the few Japanese act that can sell over 1 million now, I'm pretty sure fans will meet 10k it need for the anime to get second season especially since Watanabe Mayu is in the voice acting cast. Her fans are made up of alot of children actually. They might be interested in this anime. The show isn't doing too well in pre-orders despite the low price for the first volume. Some wotas/idol otaku do watch the show and enjoy it but they aren't the type to buy overpriced anime BDs especially when there are countless other way to support your oshimen. anime otaku on the other hand have reacted very negatively since the moment the show was announced because antipathy for AKB48 runs strong in ota circles. The main buyer base for anime like this rejects it out of hand due to AKB48 connection while it's questionable wota who don't care for anime generally speaking will go buy it in large numbers. Unless the pre-order charts are lying the show will make the "break even" line but for anything with AKB48 brand on it it is going to flop. I doubt it performs as well as EVOL does and breaking the 10k barrier (though limit for getting sequel is much lower) feels impossible to me right now. Which has nothing to do with series's quality, of course As for whether or not 13 episodes are not enough that depends on what their end aim is. If the end point of the show is when Nagisa etc. become members of 0048 in itself and join the battle against no fun police that is enough. If the show intends to go past that point and culminate in eg. DES getting overthrown all Star Wars style it won't be enough. I'd presume they've made a fail safe system here. If the sales are moderate they go for the moderate growth story of the girls, if the sales are gerat they go for bigger things. At this point I suspect they're going for the simpler option. |
XardieJun 20, 2012 9:00 AM
akbfan said: And just leave it to the Japanese AKB fans....Don't worry about it. If AKB can sell over 1 million of 8 of their CDs, 7 CDs back to back, 3 CDs sold 1 million on the first day and is one of the few Japanese act that can sell over 1 million now, I'm pretty sure fans will meet 10k it need for the anime to get second season especially since Watanabe Mayu is in the voice acting cast. Her fans are made up of alot of children actually. They might be interested in this anime. I don't exactly think that this is series suitable for kids... somehow there is that drama, bit dystopian version of future not to mention violence - so I would have doubts to buy it. On the other side it's similar to Precure to some extent in themes or talking about friendship - so if it can bring loads and loads of money from little girls in one case, it may also work with AKB. |
akbfan said: Also after looking at the girls schedule, I wonder if they wrapped up already because of schedule conflicts as well. Not that many of these girls have time to record for the next 2, 3 months since Mayuyu is doing NO NAME and have her 2nd single as well and the next couple of months are pretty hectic especially August. That's the reason why this anime started out so late to begin with. Really? I thought it was simply case of Satelight's production running late (considering they've been non-stop on four tv series non-stop in 2012: Mouretsu, EVOL, 0048 and next season's Muv-Luv) Anyway, as far as I know AKB0048 is late night anime like nearly all of these. This crosses out "kids" fanbase very effectively as well as large number of normal folks who like AKB48 because they don't follow those late anime blocks. It's a pity the show came out so late in spring season and comes with AKB48 "baggage" because I think it would be fair bit more popular with the main target audience otherwise. Here and in other boards people who've actually given the show a chance and watched it seem to genuinely really like it and in japanese boards AKB fans and more impartial viewers tend to like it too. Liking unfortunately doesn't automatically translate into sales and the target customers for show like this, the average anime viewers, won't bite it due to AKB connection. I've even seen some posters on 2ch and futaba complain that there's perfectly fine show there under AKB moniker but most people just want to see it fail simply because of AKB48 connection. In a sense the viewer response (generally positive) in the west is more balanced because it is not based on out of hand dismissal like in this latest case of ota vs wota drama. 0048's main aim seems to be to give AKB48 another headway/entry point into the otaku business and fandom and most otaku resist the very attempt. Which is problem because iti s those otaku who are supposed to buy the discs. |
1idd0kun said: Its main slot is Saturday 23:00hs. That might be a little too late at night for little kids, but it's still a pretty accessible slot for other non-otaku audiences (ie: female teens) , specially since Sunday isn't a school-day. I would say that it's also not the best - there is a lot other things that teens can do that time, than watching anime. It was already talked here (in topic of some other episode) that they made, maybe not mistake but something similar: simply puting this show earlier, which should be possible for this group, they could attract a lot more people - kids or some other folks that just want to watch something with AKB. And again Precure could show how to do it (I like them just to let know): they sell badly in DVD/BD form but from toys and other accesories for kids they do lots of money (100 million of dollars each season). I hope that they will get second season and than put it into some more rational time slot to use that potential. |
| one of the best drama of spring anime. |
| Takamina sure is lucky to have survived a swarm of deathflags. It passed over her because she was so short. /jk |
| Takamina, cmonnn snap out of it. I highly doubt Kanata would be happy about Takamina graduating since she's her idol. Its really sucks seeing conflicts like this and I really feel for her. Aw seeing her in a state like that and in pain is just ftl. :/ Hopefully Yuuko's speech brought some sense into her and everything turns out fine in the next episode. |
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