How does japan respond to anime influenced cartoons

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Well, I know Avatar was dubbed in Japanese, but I don't imagine it did all that well (Correction: just heard it never even actually aired). I doubt most people even know of them.

There are some Japanese people here, you could try asking them directly.

May 16, 2012 9:25 PM

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sleeplesstown said:
Well, I know Avatar was dubbed in Japanese, but I don't imagine it did all that well (Correction: just heard it never even actually aired). I doubt most people even know of them.

There are some Japanese people here, you could try asking them directly.

okay i am now asking directly. if anyone here lives in Japan can you tell me how anime influenced shows do

May 16, 2012 9:36 PM

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okay i am now asking directly. if anyone here lives in Japan can you tell me how anime influenced shows do

Awful.

May 16, 2012 9:44 PM

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Armiga21 said:

juken16 said:
okay i am now asking directly. if anyone here lives in Japan can you tell me how anime influenced shows do

Awful.

That about sums it up.

May 16, 2012 10:47 PM

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juken16 said:
okay i am now asking directly. if anyone here lives in Japan can you tell me how anime influenced shows do

Awful.

really i heard that Japanese actually say Avatar as offensive is that true

May 16, 2012 10:57 PM

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juken16 said:
really i heard that Japanese actually say Avatar as offensive is that true

No more offended than America's other attempts at filtering Asian culture, I'd imagine.

But in all seriousness, who knows. I doubt it, if only for the fact barely anyone there even knows about it.

May 16, 2012 11:05 PM

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Speaking on behalf of the entire Nation of Japan I have to say that every single person in Japan hates Avatar the last air bend. The people of Japan have issued many statement about this subject.

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Speaking on behalf of the entire Nation of Japan I have to say that every single person in Japan hates Avatar the last air bend. The people of Japan have issued many statement about this subject.

really exactly why

May 16, 2012 11:29 PM

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i also wanted too know how Japanese respond too things like Thundercats and Batman Gotham Knights since their animation studios made them

May 16, 2012 11:45 PM

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If there are fans, they must be in a very small, invisible minority.

May 17, 2012 12:15 AM

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I'm sure they'd actually like a show which was actually good.

But I've never seen a good western cartoon, largely because in our collective society most people consider cartoons to be aimed at children, something which you grow out of watching.

By having that view alone I believe would prevent someone from actually creating a good series, even the shows I remember watching as a kid which I liked, I still like them (nostalgia reasons) but if I watch them again even tho I like them I can tell that they aren't very good.

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May 17, 2012 2:19 AM

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NicoleB said:

But I've never seen a good western cartoon

I always thought Gargoyles was pretty decent...but that's just my oppinion of course

May 17, 2012 3:24 AM

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NicoleB said:

But I've never seen a good western cartoon

Watch Batman the animated series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nB2OJnCko

May 17, 2012 3:41 AM

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From what I've read on nico and translations from futaba (or 2ch, whichever), they do like MLP FiM.

DEM PONIES MAN. lol

Well, in my opinion they probably don't think much of it. A lot of our western cartoons here don't really get all that big and popular like animes do. We have a few, but hardly any people would take the time to watch western cartoons like anime. I mean we got Thundercats, Batman, Invader Zim(Weird shit, but apparently is really popular., etc etc.) However, it's not like it ever got big enough to be something people across countries would know.

Also what makes you think they get OFFENDED by our cartoons?(I really doubt they get offended.) Can you clarify how the hell Japan could get offended by our cartoons like Thundercats or Avatar? If it was a show like Southpark that aims to offend I'd understand. However, shows like the two I listed I wouldn't understand how the hell someone could get offended.

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a few episodes of some western cartoons got banned here

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May 17, 2012 6:15 AM

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probably the same way we react to cartoon influence anime....."who gives a fuck?'

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Jigero said:
probably the same way we react to cartoon influence anime....."who gives a fuck?'

QFT. I mean, how many people in America even care about the difference between anime and cartoons? People on this site, sure, but everyone else? They probably think Speed Racer and Dragonball are from Disney. Why would it be different in Japan? Do they have immense patriotism for their animation?

May 17, 2012 9:56 AM

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Mami_Tomoe said:

NicoleB said:

But I've never seen a good western cartoon

Watch Batman the animated series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nB2OJnCko

Agreed. The best cartoon from America ever.

May 17, 2012 10:08 AM

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Sir_Lexa said:

Mami_Tomoe said:

NicoleB said:

But I've never seen a good western cartoon

Watch Batman the animated series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nB2OJnCko

Agreed. The best cartoon from America ever.

look up young justice tv series

May 17, 2012 10:34 AM

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Why would it be different in Japan? Do they have immense patriotism for their animation?

Yes. Japanese nationalism appears to be quite strong.

May 17, 2012 10:37 AM

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I don't know about anime inspired cartoons, but U.S. animation can do very well in Japan. Disney and Pixar movies for example sell really well. And I know they do air some of our cartoons there, can't remember specifically what though.

May 17, 2012 10:39 AM

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And I know they do air some of our cartoons there, can't remember specifically what though.

South Park as dubbed by the Inuyasha cast iirc.

May 17, 2012 10:47 AM

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Mami_Tomoe said:

NicoleB said:

But I've never seen a good western cartoon

Watch Batman the animated series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nB2OJnCko

Why would they watch that when they have anime? I think that's the main point people should ask themselves when it comes to Japan and western anime-wannabe toons. Why watch imitations when you have the originals?

They don't even like Batman. The live-action Nolan movies were critically hated. I doubt an American kid's cartoon would do any better.

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probably the same way we react to cartoon influence anime....."who gives a fuck?'

Like what?

You act like the dozens of anime-rip offs the west make is matched by Japan doing the same thing, when they don't. Japan doesn't do that. The west is the one making all those anime rip offs, Japan just continues making their anime like it's any other day. That's a pretty poor comparison.

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Armiga21 said:

Mami_Tomoe said:

NicoleB said:

But I've never seen a good western cartoon

Watch Batman the animated series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nB2OJnCko

Why would they watch that when they have anime? I think that's the main point people should ask themselves when it comes to Japan and western anime-wannabe toons. Why watch imitations when you have the originals?

you're refuting a point they weren't even making yo

May 17, 2012 10:57 AM

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Armiga21 said:

Jigero said:
probably the same way we react to cartoon influence anime....."who gives a fuck?'

Like what?

You act like the dozens of anime-rip offs the west make is matched by Japan doing the same thing, when they don't. Japan doesn't do that. The west is the one making all those anime rip offs, Japan just continues making their anime like it's any other day. That's a pretty poor comparison.

That's pretty much the gist of what he said

>reading comprehension

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Armiga21 said:

Mami_Tomoe said:

NicoleB said:

But I've never seen a good western cartoon

Watch Batman the animated series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nB2OJnCko

Why would they watch that when they have anime? I think that's the main point people should ask themselves when it comes to Japan and western anime-wannabe toons. Why watch imitations when you have the originals?

They don't even like Batman. The live-action Nolan movies were critically hated. I doubt an American kid's cartoon would do any better.

Jigero said:
probably the same way we react to cartoon influence anime....."who gives a fuck?'

Like what?

You act like the dozens of anime-rip offs the west make is matched by Japan doing the same thing, when they don't. Japan doesn't do that. The west is the one making all those anime rip offs, Japan just continues making their anime like it's any other day. That's a pretty poor comparison.

actually batman is liked in japan except nolan films because they where too serious

May 17, 2012 11:13 AM

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That's pretty much the gist of what he said

Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension. He implied Japan actually makes cartoon-influenced anime to the point we would actually have a reaction.

Which is clearly not the case.

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Armiga21 said:

Why would they watch that when they have anime? I think that's the main point people should ask themselves when it comes to Japan and western anime-wannabe toons. Why watch imitations when you have the originals?

How is Batman the Animated Series an imitation of anime? Being influenced by anime doesn't make it a copy. By that exact same argument you could say anime is an imitation of Disney because Tezuka as influenced by them.

May 17, 2012 11:16 AM

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From what I've read on nico and translations from futaba (or 2ch, whichever), they do like MLP FiM.

DEM PONIES MAN. lol

Well, in my opinion they probably don't think much of it. A lot of our western cartoons here don't really get all that big and popular like animes do. We have a few, but hardly any people would take the time to watch western cartoons like anime. I mean we got Thundercats, Batman, Invader Zim(Weird shit, but apparently is really popular., etc etc.) However, it's not like it ever got big enough to be something people across countries would know.

Also what makes you think they get OFFENDED by our cartoons?(I really doubt they get offended.) Can you clarify how the hell Japan could get offended by our cartoons like Thundercats or Avatar? If it was a show like Southpark that aims to offend I'd understand. However, shows like the two I listed I wouldn't understand how the hell someone could get offended.

i read some where that in japan Avatar was not liked because of how Asian culture was shown the fire nation in particular

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Armiga21 said:

Why would they watch that when they have anime? I think that's the main point people should ask themselves when it comes to Japan and western anime-wannabe toons. Why watch imitations when you have the originals?

How is Batman the Animated Series an imitation of anime? Being influenced by anime doesn't make it a copy. By that exact same argument you could say anime is an imitation of Disney because Tezuka as influenced by them.

well The Batman from 2004 is kind of anime influenced atleast that what people put it in

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Armiga21 said:

sleeplesstown said:
That's pretty much the gist of what he said

Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension. He implied Japan actually makes cartoon-influenced anime to the point we would actually have a reaction.

Which is clearly not the case.

Not having a reaction is the same as not caring

May 17, 2012 11:20 AM

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i have a new threat made here

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=442797

this is one of the reason i keep making threads about how American creations respond in Japan

May 17, 2012 11:25 AM

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juken16 said:

deadleeserious said:

Armiga21 said:

Why would they watch that when they have anime? I think that's the main point people should ask themselves when it comes to Japan and western anime-wannabe toons. Why watch imitations when you have the originals?

How is Batman the Animated Series an imitation of anime? Being influenced by anime doesn't make it a copy. By that exact same argument you could say anime is an imitation of Disney because Tezuka as influenced by them.

well The Batman from 2004 is kind of anime influenced atleast that what people put it in

Influence does not mean imitation. Everything is influenced by something that came before it.

May 17, 2012 11:32 AM

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deadleeserious said:

juken16 said:

deadleeserious said:

Armiga21 said:

Why would they watch that when they have anime? I think that's the main point people should ask themselves when it comes to Japan and western anime-wannabe toons. Why watch imitations when you have the originals?

How is Batman the Animated Series an imitation of anime? Being influenced by anime doesn't make it a copy. By that exact same argument you could say anime is an imitation of Disney because Tezuka as influenced by them.

well The Batman from 2004 is kind of anime influenced atleast that what people put it in

Influence does not mean imitation. Everything is influenced by something that came before it.

so true i am just asking how does the country of origin react to it

May 17, 2012 11:42 AM

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Armiga21 said:

Mami_Tomoe said:

NicoleB said:

But I've never seen a good western cartoon

Watch Batman the animated series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nB2OJnCko

Why would they watch that when they have anime? I think that's the main point people should ask themselves when it comes to Japan and western anime-wannabe toons. Why watch imitations when you have the originals?

I'm confused here. I thought the point I was trying to convey was pretty straight forward. Not sure where you got all from. But that's neither here no there, my objective was merely to point NicoleB in the direction of an example of good western animation. But I'm curious have you ever seen Batman the Animated Series? If not I recommend it it's quite good even if it's not anime. :P

May 17, 2012 11:48 AM

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Saw it as a kid.

Wasn't really impressed. Better than the crap on now, though, I guess.

May 17, 2012 12:33 PM

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Armiga21 said:
Why watch imitations when you have the originals?

Maybe because some people appreciate differences and variations on a theme, and imitations bring new elements. People can accept and enjoy new things whether or not they are widely recognized as "better" than the old.

meat -> sausages -> hotdogs -> corndogs -> veggie corndogs

Afro-Cuban rhythm -> rhythm and blues -> rock and roll -> pop -> Lady Gaga

Disney -> Bulgy eyed anime characters -> Power Puff Girls -> Power Puff Girls Z

Also, as Alpha-kudasu pointed out with just a little irony, preferences in a large nation like Japan are complex. The answer depends on many details of the question, "Does japan like..." Seems clear that the OP's shows are not widely shown in Japan, but that does not totally answer the question. If you took 100 random people off the street and showed them an episode how many would enjoy it? Who knows. Would that number be any higher than the equivalent for 100 random North Americans or Europeans asked to rate an episode of a randomly selected Japanese animation?

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Ragix said:

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From what I've read on nico and translations from futaba (or 2ch, whichever), they do like MLP FiM.

DEM PONIES MAN. lol

Well, in my opinion they probably don't think much of it. A lot of our western cartoons here don't really get all that big and popular like animes do. We have a few, but hardly any people would take the time to watch western cartoons like anime. I mean we got Thundercats, Batman, Invader Zim(Weird shit, but apparently is really popular., etc etc.) However, it's not like it ever got big enough to be something people across countries would know.

Also what makes you think they get OFFENDED by our cartoons?(I really doubt they get offended.) Can you clarify how the hell Japan could get offended by our cartoons like Thundercats or Avatar? If it was a show like Southpark that aims to offend I'd understand. However, shows like the two I listed I wouldn't understand how the hell someone could get offended.

i read some where that in japan Avatar was not liked because of how Asian culture was shown the fire nation in particular

Jesus, but the fire nation was made that way to give a bigger impact on the story. If they feel offended because of how Asian culture was shown that's just sort of idiotic. I mean they have Southpark which is actually dubbed(according to what someone had said) in Japan which attacks racial groups/ religion/etc. 24/7 in the show and people are feeling offended by a cartoon show that is 100% fiction and for people's enjoyment just because of how one of the nations is shown.

Armiga21 said:

Like what?

You act like the dozens of anime-rip offs the west make is matched by Japan doing the same thing, when they don't. Japan doesn't do that. The west is the one making all those anime rip offs, Japan just continues making their anime like it's any other day. That's a pretty poor comparison.

Do you even realize the contents of what you are saying? If you flipped on one of the cartoon stations in the West you would see they are nowhere in comparison to animes. The few that do are not even anime rip-offs, but like someone said had some influence in it. Thundercats for example, looks somewhat like an anime, but if you watch it doesn't even try to copy anime in the least. I'm sorry if we try to make our animations look better then the usual cartoons like Family Guy, Southpark, or Invader Zim, but that's just how it works. If western cartoons are trying to make better animations it will probably begin to look like anime, since anime is what top of the line animation looks like.

Touch me, you filthy casual~

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Ragix said:

juken16 said:

Ragix said:

lpfManiak said:
From what I've read on nico and translations from futaba (or 2ch, whichever), they do like MLP FiM.

DEM PONIES MAN. lol

Well, in my opinion they probably don't think much of it. A lot of our western cartoons here don't really get all that big and popular like animes do. We have a few, but hardly any people would take the time to watch western cartoons like anime. I mean we got Thundercats, Batman, Invader Zim(Weird shit, but apparently is really popular., etc etc.) However, it's not like it ever got big enough to be something people across countries would know.

Also what makes you think they get OFFENDED by our cartoons?(I really doubt they get offended.) Can you clarify how the hell Japan could get offended by our cartoons like Thundercats or Avatar? If it was a show like Southpark that aims to offend I'd understand. However, shows like the two I listed I wouldn't understand how the hell someone could get offended.

i read some where that in japan Avatar was not liked because of how Asian culture was shown the fire nation in particular

Jesus, but the fire nation was made that way to give a bigger impact on the story. If they feel offended because of how Asian culture was shown that's just sort of idiotic. I mean they have Southpark which is actually dubbed(according to what someone had said) in Japan which attacks racial groups/ religion/etc. 24/7 in the show and people are feeling offended by a cartoon show that is 100% fiction and for people's enjoyment just because of how one of the nations is shown.

Armiga21 said:

Like what?

You act like the dozens of anime-rip offs the west make is matched by Japan doing the same thing, when they don't. Japan doesn't do that. The west is the one making all those anime rip offs, Japan just continues making their anime like it's any other day. That's a pretty poor comparison.

Do you even realize the contents of what you are saying? If you flipped on one of the cartoon stations in the West you would see they are nowhere in comparison to animes. The few that do are not even anime rip-offs, but like someone said had some influence in it. Thundercats for example, looks somewhat like an anime, but if you watch it doesn't even try to copy anime in the least. I'm sorry if we try to make our animations look better then the usual cartoons like Family Guy, Southpark, or Invader Zim, but that's just how it works. If western cartoons are trying to make better animations it will probably begin to look like anime, since anime is what top of the line animation looks like.

i brought up thundercats because its made by studio 4c it looks like anime with an interesting story line and i wondered in Japan is it well received

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Also, as Alpha-kudasu pointed out with just a little irony, preferences in a large nation like Japan are complex. The answer depends on many details of the question, "Does japan like..." Seems clear that the OP's shows are not widely shown in Japan, but that does not totally answer the question. If you took 100 random people off the street and showed them an episode how many would enjoy it? Who knows. Would that number be any higher than the equivalent for 100 random North Americans or Europeans asked to rate an episode of a randomly selected Japanese animation?

While you may not get a statistically accurate graph or chart, you can point out anime is much bigger in the west than the vice versa. Cartoons aren't even considered a 'hobby' in their own respective countries, let alone a foreign country. I think the existance of all the anime rip off cartoons from America, Canada, France, Italy, Spain, South America, and various countries are proof of that. Then you do have ones like Thundercats or the Marvel anime where westerners actually pay Japanese companies to animate it or make it because they think it'll make it anime. It's like seeing those old 1800s "Miracle Cure" scam artists. "Buy this, and it'll cure all your problems!" The amount of money you see them shill out to "make their own anime" is kind of amazing. You don't exactly see a ton of Japanese outsourcing their work to American studios to be like American cartoons.

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Do you even realize the contents of what you are saying? If you flipped on one of the cartoon stations in the West you would see they are nowhere in comparison to animes. The few that do are not even anime rip-offs, but like someone said had some influence in it. Thundercats for example, looks somewhat like an anime, but if you watch it doesn't even try to copy anime in the least. I'm sorry if we try to make our animations look better then the usual cartoons like Family Guy, Southpark, or Invader Zim, but that's just how it works. If western cartoons are trying to make better animations it will probably begin to look like anime, since anime is what top of the line animation looks like.

It doesn't matter if they fail at it or not, they're still trying to rip off and be like anime. You're right though, shows like Thundercats, Avatar, and Teen Titans aren't really anything like anime outside use of generic chibis or some vague art style, but they still try. Especially when you have the creators of said shows gushing how much they love anime and want to make their own, like with Avatar, Teen Titans, Kappa Mikey, and all those other shows.

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From what o have look at of western Tv animation has over all bad art if you compere tp say 99.9999999% of tv Anime

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From what o have look at of western Tv animation has over all bad art if you compere tp say 99.9999999% of tv Anime

the best animation is always reserved for action cartoons

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I wouldn't want to watch an anime influenced show, it's not real anime. I'm not japanese, but I would assume they feel the same way.

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juken16 said:

Enjolras1830 said:
From what o have look at of western Tv animation has over all bad art if you compere tp say 99.9999999% of tv Anime

the best animation is always reserved for action cartoons

That is bad business always show your best

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they see it exists and no fucks were given from then on out

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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I think also that marvel anime did not do that well but it was the reverse. An American concept done in anime.

I also read that alot of manga creators like american comics but not alot of the general audience in japan

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juken16 said:
I also read that alot of manga creators like american comics but not alot of the general audience in japan

Well, considering manga was based off of comics, you shouldn't be that surprised that writers look at the material.

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