| We all know downloading Anime is illegal, regardless some (if not most) of us still do it. We're stealing from studios. However, a question's been bugging me for quite a while now; Let's say I want to watch an anime that's not out in the US/UK/West at the moment. It hasn't been released on DVD/ Blu-ray, it's not on TV, and it's not on legal streaming sites (such as Crunchyroll, etc). I can't really think of an example off the top of my head; but let's just say Nyan Koi! (It's not available where I live). If I had the option and this Anime was in stores; I would buy it straight away. However I can't. If I download it; is it piracy? If I download it; and then buy it later when it's released. Is it still piracy? I think this is sort of like the argument that all the music pirates use; "I was never going to buy it anyway, so it doesn't matter if I pirate it". Any thoughts? Thanks, Scruff. |
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| It's still piracy but everyone does it for various reasons so just go for it then buy BDs/DVDs volumes off Amazon Japan if you like it enough once you finish the series. It's how I do things. |
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Scruff said: We're stealing from studios. tl;dr y'all crazy |
hikky said: Scruff said: We're stealing from studios. tl;dr y'all crazy Don't worry I'm not attacking pirates here; I torrent all my Anime. These piracy rules just confuse me a whole lot. It's a huge grey area and I'm not sure where I am on a moral standpoint. |
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| I've gone over before Piracy is not stealing, Stealing or petty larceny is actually a lessor crime. Piracy is copyright infringement which is a quite serious crime. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| To be honest, I've stopped caring about the whole piracy debate thing, especially in the wake of the Megaupload incident and the SOPA shit. For now, I'm just enjoying what I enjoy without worrying too much about the consequences. If the day comes where I can no longer download anime whenever I want, then I'll probably buy the ones I like legally. And, like hikky said, piracy is rather subjective. Yes, downloading anime in any form is technically copyright infringement, but if the companies don't bust you for it then it doesn't really matter. |
Jigero said: I've gone over before Piracy is not stealing, Stealing or petty larceny is actually a lessor crime. Piracy is copyright infringement which is a quite serious crime. I wonder what you are trying to achieve by insisting on phrasing staff in that way. Yes it might get you a worst sentence in some occasions but only because corporate asshole payed money to politician under the table to create such laws. We all know that as an action it isn't really worse. HERE"S THE TRUTH Piracy shouldn't even be stopped. They should only try to get a few that try to use piracy too much in their benefit. Piracy should exist but just not going wild. Piracy isn't the epitome of evil like everyone is brainwashed to think by this copyright obsessed companies. Piracy helps to give poor people that could never afford to spare extra cash some entrainment which in my book is a very holy thing because this people deserve some little happiness in their hard life and also piracy helps keep many things in existence that will otherwise have disappeared or you simply can't buy no matter how much money you have. Another thing that piracy does and the companies hate piracy for that is that it gives people the advantage of recognizing a shitty product in advance and not fall into the tricks of silly marketing thus helping good products. It can even offer opportunities to new creators and new small companies. Again companies lose almost nothing from piracy, on many occasions they even gain from it, multiple studies have shown that, even studies funded by the copyright companies themselves but those close minded fools are still at it because it's not just about piracy is about power and control. It's simple, those who have money and like buying products they will still buy the products they like. The million of downloads mean nothing because the vast majority is by people that ether can't spare money to buy such products or just download it because it's there. The few that might settle for a pirate copy while they could have bought it are more than replaced by new buyers that come from those who discovered the product through piracy, liked it and actually bought it. Companies don't really lose much at all. They are just talk. In every sector companies get closed or lose profit ether because there wasn't room for them in the market or they had bad management but when one in the entertainment business get's at that point they blame piracy so they can deny how shitty there management was. It's so easy to say piracy made us lose money instead of admit you screw up. Besides the big corporations that are pushing these Orwellian laws seems to have enough money to spare to buy half the politicians around the world, they seem in a pretty good condition if they can throw money to every costume figure and push their agendas all over the planet if you ask me. Actually a little too good. Piracy isn't as evil at all. On the other hand if you want to learn about true theft you have to look no further than this Hollywood corporations that want to put an authoritarian control on the market destroying the concept of free economy and steal the work of artist. Which is a big reason for there pushing all this SOPA like laws. This guy says it better. Comparing a criminal to a guy who downloads a copy is bathetic. If i break into your house and steal your things, your car and money then you will lose something. You will suffer because of my actions you won't even be able to go to your job the next morning. Who exactly suffers when a poor guy downloads something he can't buy? No one. The rich guy who bought the BD hasn't lost his copy, he still has it and the company hasn't lost anything since the guy would have been forced to live without it if he couldn't download it. So the only thing that really happens is that some poor bastard got a little enjoyment he couldn't afford. And here we come that once again rich guys seem to dislike the fact that a poor guy got a little enjoyment that they believe it's their privilege to have only. We all know that most of those downloads wouldn't be sales anyway, and even if a few of them where, the profit lost from that is gained back by the popularity given and the fact that some people buy it after liking what they saw in a pirate copy. And yes it's not the same as stealing a material copy. If i go to a store and still a BD of a series from the self then that disc will never be sold and the company will lose the money it cost to make it and the sale of someone who was going to buy the disc but never found it since i stole it. With piracy such a thing can't happen. So as you see there is a big difference so cut the crap. In the end is just rich guys feeling displeasure the poor can watch a few things despite being poor, they feel like they lose a little of their superiority, don't know if you are one of them but quite an evil attitude if you ask me. As about the companies? They just don't like the fact that now their most prominent customers have the ability to check the work inside the fancy box before they buy it and not get tricked by a nice cover. Now they have to work and make a really great work that will be preferred over others instead of just some nice cover to trick people on buying some low budget shit and they don't like it. Also they are afraid of the internet giving other chances to artist and creators that are not under their control since they want to control the markets at their segments completely. Well boohoo, lets cry over their drama of not being able to make suckers out of people. Piracy only does good. The completely poor can now have a little pleasure in there nasty life, those with limited buying power can increase the value of their money by buying only the things they love and like since they can check and see if something is good and even the rich guys can save themselves of getting irritated after buying something new and realize it was complete shit and they shouldn't have bought it no matter how much they have. The industry becomes better too. Because companies can't fool easily people who can check the work first. So now they have to work on what they do and it also helps promote the sales of good works since people already saw something was awesome and they want to support it. On the other hand smart marketing trying to promote crappy things becomes less effective since no matter how you advertise, if people can see the work is bad they won't be fooled and so another good thing happens with companies being forced to give more money to the creative process instead of stupid marketing tricks. Not to mention that piracy also works as an incentive for companies to offer something nice when they make their BD/DVD package so the people who actually bought it don't feel like idiots. Piracy Rocks!!!! |
MonadFeb 11, 2012 3:32 PM
Scruff said: I know you were just using it for example, but are you sure you can't order using international from Rightstuf? It costs extra to ship outside of the US or Canada, though. (according to your "london" location)I can't really think of an example off the top of my head; but let's just say Nyan Koi! (It's not available where I live). |
Scruff said: We all know downloading Anime is illegal, regardless some (if not most) of us still do it. We're stealing from studios. Stealing is unlawfully depriving someone of their property.If you make a copy of something then you are not stealing.Illegal copying yes but not stealing. However, a question's been bugging me for quite a while now; If I download it; is it piracy? Yes it is s. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/piracy The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy. If I download it; and then buy it later when it's released. Is it still piracy? You would have to claim you made the copy yourself. Anytime you download something without the copyright holder's consent it is illegal.If the copyright expired meaning it became public domain or the copyright holder gave permission then it is not illegal to download something. You are allowed to make personal copies of movies,music and games you own.However the programs used to circumvent the anti-copying encryption is illegal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Decrypter#cite_note-4 In the "321" case, Federal District Judge Susan Illston of the Northern District of California,[5] ruled that the backup copies made with software such as DVD Decrypter are legal but that distribution of the software used to make them is illegal. http://money.usnews.com/money/business-economy/technology/articles/2009/09/30/is-it-legal-to-copy-a-dvd So it's illegal to copy a DVD? Interestingly, no. Judges have said that consumers have a right to copy a DVD for their own use—say, for backing it up to another disk or perhaps watching it on another device, such as an iPod. That's the same "fair use" rule that made it legal to tape television shows for watching later, perhaps on a different TV. The problem is that consumers can't duplicate DVDs without software tools that get around the copy protection on those disks. It is those tools that Congress outlawed. Is it still legal to copy a CD? The same fair use doctrine allows consumers to copy their music disks to computers and other devices. Because CDs don't have anything to protect them from being copied, it's also legal to distribute software for "ripping" them to a PC's hard drive. The ripping software doesn't have to circumvent any anticopy protections. Your Location says London so you may want to look at this. http://www.ifunia.com/articles/personal-use-dvd-ripping-copying-legal-or-illegal.html Legality Difference Between Different Countries Legality depends on the country you live in, the laws will be different for every country. I know that in Canada and France you are safe, USA and UK you are not. The Canadian courts have ruled that backup copies for personal use are legal, but you are only allowed to use one copy of the item at a time. In United States, it is legal for an individual in the United States to make a copy of media he/she owns for his/her own personal use. Fair Use grants you the right to make a backup copy of your media for your own personal use. But in the case where media contents are protected using some effective copy protection scheme, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act makes it illegal to circumvent that copy protection scheme. This law makes it illegal to rip most commercial DVDs as they are typically protected by CSS encryption. In United Kingdom, making a private copy of copyrighted media without the copyright owner's consent is illegal as of April 2009: this includes ripping music from a CD to a computer or digital music player. The UK government has made proposals to allow people to make copies of music for personal use. In Australia, copies of any legally purchased music may be made by its owner, as long as it is not distributed to others and its use remains personal. In Spain and Sweden, anyone is allowed to make a private copy of a copyrighted material for oneself and the source copy does not even have to be legal. Making copies for other people, however, is forbidden if done for profit. |
ezikialrageFeb 11, 2012 4:51 PM
notsureifsrs said: Scruff said: I know you were just using it for example, but are you sure you can't order using international from Rightstuf? It costs extra to ship outside of the US or Canada, though. (according to your "london" location)I can't really think of an example off the top of my head; but let's just say Nyan Koi! (It's not available where I live). I can ship them internationally but the I think I'm in a different region so my DVD player won't play it :/ |
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| Oh and by the way, thanks a lot guys. This has all been really informative. I'm very pro-pirating and I agree with almost all of these points. |
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| It is ALWAYS piracy when you get a copyrighted work for free from an unofficial source. But you are extremely unlikely to be caught for pirating something from another country. So just don't worry about it. |
| Anyone else actually think that downloading an anime is actually similar to lending someone your original CD to your friend? I thought if it is similar, we have practiced piracy for decades. If it is similar, then what we are doing now should not be considered illegal. Enlighten me, it's just my personal perspective. |
| I just love all the asshats that jump on these threads spouting "piracy isn't stealing! It's copyright infringement!" Which apparently makes it perfectly fine... Whatever you want to call it, its illegal. Do most of us do it? Yes. Should we do it? No. Pirate away people! I know I will. But stop acting like its your god given right to take/copy/whatever stuff for free. Its not. |
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Scruff said: We all know downloading Anime is illegal, regardless some (if not most) of us still do it. We're stealing from studios. However, a question's been bugging me for quite a while now; Let's say I want to watch an anime that's not out in the US/UK/West at the moment. It hasn't been released on DVD/ Blu-ray, it's not on TV, and it's not on legal streaming sites (such as Crunchyroll, etc). I can't really think of an example off the top of my head; but let's just say Nyan Koi! (It's not available where I live). If I had the option and this Anime was in stores; I would buy it straight away. However I can't. If I download it; is it piracy? If I download it; and then buy it later when it's released. Is it still piracy? I think this is sort of like the argument that all the music pirates use; "I was never going to buy it anyway, so it doesn't matter if I pirate it". Any thoughts? Thanks, Scruff. The bolded is wrong. It is not stealing. It is copyright infringement. Taking something is not the same as copying something. Also of course it is piracy. Even if a person downloads an episode they missed of their favorite TV show it is still piracy. I use to do that all the time before streaming sites existed. |
Onibokusu said: Scruff said: (It's not available where I live). Then import it. Don't say you would buy it instantly and then make up excuses like this. Cool story, bro. Always with the stupid shit. Not everybody can afford asinine import fees. |
| Yeah its still considered piracy, unfortunately. They would basically just tell you to order it! But fk that, downloading is the way! |
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| Piracy schmiracy. Its a free world where you grab and take to survive. Just do whatever because isn't the internet meant to be for free use anyways? Despite it being illegal, millions of people still do it. >>" |
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Onibokusu said: Scruff said: (It's not available where I live). Then import it. Don't say you would buy it instantly and then make up excuses like this. I can't import it as it cannot be played on my DVD player. The region codes are different. Anyway, do you buy all your anime? |
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| Oh look, another thread about piracy. I can't be bothered reading through this topic (I'm sure I have seen it all before anyway) but I shall provide you all with the conclusion. Regardless of what we think about whether piracy should or should not count as theft or copyright infringement is neither here nor there; the fact is that downloading stuff illegally is, you guessed it, illegal. I consider 'piracy' to be selling conterfit goods for profit rather than simply stealing copies of it. Whether that holds in the legal sphere I have no idea. You are stealing in the first case. In the second case you are stealing until you buy the copy of it; as far as I am aware there is nothing to prevent you holding multiple copies of the same product in different formats. As far as anime goes there is little to be concerned about though; the prospect of Japanese companies attempting to pursue individuals in foreign countries for downloading fansubbed versions of anime is ridiculous. Unless you are the owner of Baka BT or Nyaatorrents, then I am fairly sure you can sleep soundly without worrying about your hard drive being conviscated in a dawn raid orchestrated by SHAFT and JC STAFF. |
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AnnoKano said: Oh look, another thread about piracy. I can't be bothered reading through this topic (I'm sure I have seen it all before anyway) but I shall provide you all with the conclusion. Regardless of what we think about whether piracy should or should not count as theft or copyright infringement is neither here nor there; the fact is that downloading stuff illegally is, you guessed it, illegal. I consider 'piracy' to be selling conterfit goods for profit rather than simply stealing copies of it. Whether that holds in the legal sphere I have no idea. You are stealing in the first case. In the second case you are stealing until you buy the copy of it; as far as I am aware there is nothing to prevent you holding multiple copies of the same product in different formats. As far as anime goes there is little to be concerned about though; the prospect of Japanese companies attempting to pursue individuals in foreign countries for downloading fansubbed versions of anime is ridiculous. Unless you are the owner of Baka BT or Nyaatorrents, then I am fairly sure you can sleep soundly without worrying about your hard drive being conviscated in a dawn raid orchestrated by SHAFT and JC STAFF. Sorry, couldn't find any other posts like this while I was searching around. And it was an actual question of mine. And I'm not worried about getting caught. Just curious as to what people's opinions are. |
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Scruff said: Anyway, do you buy all your anime? LOLno. |
Scruff said: Onibokusu said: Scruff said: (It's not available where I live). Then import it. Don't say you would buy it instantly and then make up excuses like this. I can't import it as it cannot be played on my DVD player. The region codes are different. Anyway, do you buy all your anime? I do not know if its the same thing but I once bought a dvd online that was formatted for PAL.I took my nero and made a copy of the dvd and had it reformatted it to NTSC so that I had a copy that plays in my dvd player.If that sounds like too much hassle they do make region free dvd players. http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=region%20free%20dvd&rh=n%3A172282%2Ck%3Aregion%20free%20dvd&page=1 http://buyersguide.bargainoffers.com/region_free_dvd_guide.shtml |
Drunk_Samurai said: Scruff said: We all know downloading Anime is illegal, regardless some (if not most) of us still do it. We're stealing from studios. However, a question's been bugging me for quite a while now; Let's say I want to watch an anime that's not out in the US/UK/West at the moment. It hasn't been released on DVD/ Blu-ray, it's not on TV, and it's not on legal streaming sites (such as Crunchyroll, etc). I can't really think of an example off the top of my head; but let's just say Nyan Koi! (It's not available where I live). If I had the option and this Anime was in stores; I would buy it straight away. However I can't. If I download it; is it piracy? If I download it; and then buy it later when it's released. Is it still piracy? I think this is sort of like the argument that all the music pirates use; "I was never going to buy it anyway, so it doesn't matter if I pirate it". Any thoughts? Thanks, Scruff. The bolded is wrong. It is not stealing. It is copyright infringement. Taking something is not the same as copying something. Also of course it is piracy. Even if a person downloads an episode they missed of their favorite TV show it is still piracy. I use to do that all the time before streaming sites existed. jrittmayer said: I just love all the asshats that jump on these threads spouting "piracy isn't stealing! It's copyright infringement!" Which apparently makes it perfectly fine... I love how that was the next post after I posted that. |
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Jrittmayer said: Drunk_Samurai said: Scruff said: We all know downloading Anime is illegal, regardless some (if not most) of us still do it. We're stealing from studios. However, a question's been bugging me for quite a while now; Let's say I want to watch an anime that's not out in the US/UK/West at the moment. It hasn't been released on DVD/ Blu-ray, it's not on TV, and it's not on legal streaming sites (such as Crunchyroll, etc). I can't really think of an example off the top of my head; but let's just say Nyan Koi! (It's not available where I live). If I had the option and this Anime was in stores; I would buy it straight away. However I can't. If I download it; is it piracy? If I download it; and then buy it later when it's released. Is it still piracy? I think this is sort of like the argument that all the music pirates use; "I was never going to buy it anyway, so it doesn't matter if I pirate it". Any thoughts? Thanks, Scruff. The bolded is wrong. It is not stealing. It is copyright infringement. Taking something is not the same as copying something. Also of course it is piracy. Even if a person downloads an episode they missed of their favorite TV show it is still piracy. I use to do that all the time before streaming sites existed. jrittmayer said: I just love all the asshats that jump on these threads spouting "piracy isn't stealing! It's copyright infringement!" Which apparently makes it perfectly fine... I love how that was the next post after I posted that. Your posts have always been the same in debates about piracy anyway: full of shit. You constantly claim that piracy has made the companies lose profits. The point of saying it isn't stealing is to convey it in a correct way. Pro-choicers are not pro-abortion for supporting choice because pro-lifers say so. People are not pedophiles just because they support drawings (lolicon). I can go on with this shit. |
ezikialrage said: I do not know if its the same thing but I once bought a dvd online that was formatted for PAL.I took my nero and made a copy of the dvd and had it reformatted it to NTSC so that I had a copy that plays in my dvd player. Isn't that illegal too? You're making unauthorised copies of the dvd after all. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
ezikialrage said: Scruff said: Onibokusu said: Scruff said: (It's not available where I live). Then import it. Don't say you would buy it instantly and then make up excuses like this. I can't import it as it cannot be played on my DVD player. The region codes are different. Anyway, do you buy all your anime? I do not know if its the same thing but I once bought a dvd online that was formatted for PAL.I took my nero and made a copy of the dvd and had it reformatted it to NTSC so that I had a copy that plays in my dvd player.If that sounds like too much hassle they do make region free dvd players. http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=region%20free%20dvd&rh=n%3A172282%2Ck%3Aregion%20free%20dvd&page=1 http://buyersguide.bargainoffers.com/region_free_dvd_guide.shtml Ahh. These are really good. Seriously considering getting them actually. I much prefer having hard copies of my favourite anime. |
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| If you download anything without paying for it, or without already owning a copy what you are doing is pirating. End of discussion. Now, what is the probability of a company going after people in a market they aren't even selling in? Not likely, as they have no reason to (they aren't losing money). |
Grimm3r said: If you download anything without paying for it, or without already owning a copy what you are doing is pirating. End of discussion. Now, what is the probability of a company going after people in a market they aren't even selling in? Not likely, as they have no reason to (they aren't losing money). It is still piracy even if you own it. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Your posts have always been the same in debates about piracy anyway: full of shit. You constantly claim that piracy has made the companies lose profits. The point of saying it isn't stealing is to convey it in a correct way. Pro-choicers are not pro-abortion for supporting choice because pro-lifers say so. People are not pedophiles just because they support drawings (lolicon). I can go on with this shit. jrittmayer said: I just love all the asshats that jump on these threads spouting "piracy isn't stealing! It's copyright infringement!" Which apparently makes it perfectly fine... Whatever you want to call it, its illegal. Do most of us do it? Yes. Should we do it? No. Pirate away people! I know I will. But stop acting like its your god given right to take/copy/whatever stuff for free. Its not. No where in there do I say anything about losing profits. I just said its illegal, but we all do it anyway so lets just stop pretending like its somehow justified. |
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Jrittmayer said: Drunk_Samurai said: Your posts have always been the same in debates about piracy anyway: full of shit. You constantly claim that piracy has made the companies lose profits. The point of saying it isn't stealing is to convey it in a correct way. Pro-choicers are not pro-abortion for supporting choice because pro-lifers say so. People are not pedophiles just because they support drawings (lolicon). I can go on with this shit. jrittmayer said: I just love all the asshats that jump on these threads spouting "piracy isn't stealing! It's copyright infringement!" Which apparently makes it perfectly fine... Whatever you want to call it, its illegal. Do most of us do it? Yes. Should we do it? No. Pirate away people! I know I will. But stop acting like its your god given right to take/copy/whatever stuff for free. Its not. No where in there do I say anything about losing profits. I just said its illegal, but we all do it anyway so lets just stop pretending like its somehow justified. Bullshit. You same the same shit in every thread. You don't like piracy and say so every chance you can get. And yes you have said shit about lost profit before. In some cases it can be justified such as downloading albums since the RIAA is the one who profits from that. Of course the only way to justify that is if you actually go to the concerts or buy band merchandise. |
kuuderes_shadow said: ezikialrage said: I do not know if its the same thing but I once bought a dvd online that was formatted for PAL.I took my nero and made a copy of the dvd and had it reformatted it to NTSC so that I had a copy that plays in my dvd player. Isn't that illegal too? You're making unauthorised copies of the dvd after all. I do not live in the UK See post #9..So I am legally allowed to make a personal copy of a DVD that I purchased under fair use laws.As far as I know Nero doesn't use any software to bypass any anti-copying decryption and I did not use any software to bypass any anti-copying encryption. |
ezikialrageFeb 12, 2012 6:57 PM
| I honestly don't see piracy as a problem in many cases, although it is illegal. My main point is that, in most my cases if I were to ever pirate an anime, I simply couldn't buy it. If I go to Amazon and type in an anime like, I don't know, Maken-Ki, nothing appears for it, and if I google it, I could find it for almost ninety, for example. This is why I don't have concerns for piracy. Most people who do are often not willing to dish out massive amounts of money for twelve episodes or so. It's pathetic. Worse off, if you are in the US, and you want an anime that doesn't sell in America, the price is practically doubled, which is a complete ripoff. I discovered this while looking for Project Diva: Hatsune Miku for my psp. Seventy bucks cheapest. From there, I don't have anything else to add. To sum it up, a lot of the piracy started from situations like these, which are the seller's fault, in the pirater's perspective. In such a case, piracy is quite popular, despite illegal. I simply buy most anime on DVD, but a lot of people I'm sure couldn't find a certain anime at one point. EDIT: Considering my regards, if a company were to be concerned about piracy of something like an anime, the problem isn't piracy for financial problems. Most every single company has a stable income, and rarely lose money, and if they do, not because of piracy. |
Luna_SparkleFeb 13, 2012 6:40 PM
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Thousand-Eyes said: Who cares? Just don't get caught. I find that thinking and arguing too much about this issue is all but liberating. If something is accessible and available to you, get it if you can afford it. That way, you're giving back in some shape or form. This is why I'm glad there's stuff like iTunes and PSN. I buy the stuff that I enjoyed through piracy. But its fun to debate stuff :D And while I see your point, there are plenty of people who feel they deserve free shit and maybe if the publisher/company does EXACTLY what they want they'll throw a bit of cash their way.maybe. Sad thing is, the current generation is growing up with the idea that media = free This can only spell disaster for the future of all forms of media. Not saying its the END OF ALL MEDIA just it'll be hampered :P |
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Jrittmayer said: I just love all the asshats that jump on these threads spouting "piracy isn't stealing! It's copyright infringement!" Which apparently makes it perfectly fine... Whatever you want to call it, its illegal. Do most of us do it? Yes. Should we do it? No. Pirate away people! I know I will. But stop acting like its your god given right to take/copy/whatever stuff for free. Its not. I wish it was "stealing" then you'd only get a slap on the wrist for it. I just think it's funny people try to make piracy seem more villainous by claiming it's "stealing" when in actually it decriminalizes it. I also find it hilarious that if I literately broke into Funimation, sole a DVD out of their warehouses that's less of a crime then me clicking a torrent link. Onibokusu said: Then import it. Don't say you would buy it instantly and then make up excuses like this. white knighting at it's finest. can't be a lost sale, it you where never intended to be one. They don't want your money so why should you bother giving to them as a hiked up fee? |
JigeroFeb 13, 2012 9:34 PM
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| I cant deny I go through a fair share of downloading, not mentioning what but if it does become a major problem for me to get my hands on such thing like anime I fear I might just give up... I am already starting to lose confidends on watching alot more future anime after a major source of my downloading is now gone (BTJunkie) so now im trying to get my hands on as much as I can before any other sites follow BTJunkies example... If any1 does have a decent source for dubbed anime a private message would be greatly appreciated |
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demonspire said: I cant deny I go through a fair share of downloading, not mentioning what but if it does become a major problem for me to get my hands on such thing like anime I fear I might just give up... I am already starting to lose confidends on watching alot more future anime after a major source of my downloading is now gone (BTJunkie) so now im trying to get my hands on as much as I can before any other sites follow BTJunkies example... If any1 does have a decent source for dubbed anime a private message would be greatly appreciated Your best bet would be to go to IRC or use DC for dubs. |
| I can't really tell where this thread is leading... But either way. We all know downloading is illegal. If we do it, we're breaking the law. Sucks for us. I am sure as hell not going to go buy every single thing I want to watch. I for one don't have that kind of money and two, there are tons of animes I've seen that I would NOT want to keep. |
SerenityB3128 said: I can't really tell where this thread is leading... But either way. We all know downloading is illegal. If we do it, we're breaking the law. Sucks for us. I am sure as hell not going to go buy every single thing I want to watch. I for one don't have that kind of money and two, there are tons of animes I've seen that I would NOT want to keep. Ya seriously why should i spend my money on something i might not even end up liking,spending 50 bucks on a series you haven't even seen is a huge a risk. |
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Drunk_Samurai said: Grimm3r said: If you download anything without paying for it, or without already owning a copy what you are doing is pirating. End of discussion. Now, what is the probability of a company going after people in a market they aren't even selling in? Not likely, as they have no reason to (they aren't losing money). It is still piracy even if you own it. Say I own a copy of WC2 (before they made battle.net, and all that online dl crap), and I have the Cd key, but my Cd is really scratched, and so I cannot install it. I download a copy from a peer-to-peer site, and then use my cd-key. That isn't pirating. I own a copy of the game, whether I get the data from my cd, or maybe I copied the cd content onto a remote drive, or maybe I'm getting it from a friend. None of that is pirating if I actually own the product I am getting. |
Grimm3r said: Drunk_Samurai said: Grimm3r said: If you download anything without paying for it, or without already owning a copy what you are doing is pirating. End of discussion. Now, what is the probability of a company going after people in a market they aren't even selling in? Not likely, as they have no reason to (they aren't losing money). It is still piracy even if you own it. Say I own a copy of WC2 (before they made battle.net, and all that online dl crap), and I have the Cd key, but my Cd is really scratched, and so I cannot install it. I download a copy from a peer-to-peer site, and then use my cd-key. That isn't pirating. I own a copy of the game, whether I get the data from my cd, or maybe I copied the cd content onto a remote drive, or maybe I'm getting it from a friend. None of that is pirating if I actually own the product I am getting. It's still illegal. Even if you own the original game, you are not entitled to download a copy of it. Copyright law clearly states that the only copy of software you are entitled to is the one you make yourself. |
Leondre said: Grimm3r said: Drunk_Samurai said: Grimm3r said: If you download anything without paying for it, or without already owning a copy what you are doing is pirating. End of discussion. Now, what is the probability of a company going after people in a market they aren't even selling in? Not likely, as they have no reason to (they aren't losing money). It is still piracy even if you own it. Say I own a copy of WC2 (before they made battle.net, and all that online dl crap), and I have the Cd key, but my Cd is really scratched, and so I cannot install it. I download a copy from a peer-to-peer site, and then use my cd-key. That isn't pirating. I own a copy of the game, whether I get the data from my cd, or maybe I copied the cd content onto a remote drive, or maybe I'm getting it from a friend. None of that is pirating if I actually own the product I am getting. It's still illegal. Even if you own the original game, you are not entitled to download a copy of it. Copyright law clearly states that the only copy of software you are entitled to is the one you make yourself. How is that even a law.You already own the fucking thing so i don't see why you cant get it from other places its the same thing. Does this law apply to software or music and movies too? Because it did that would make even less sense. |
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xxangelchanxx said: How is that even a law.You already own the fucking thing so i don't see why you cant get it from other places its the same thing. Does this law apply to software or music and movies too? Because it did that would make even less sense. By doing so you’ve violated the publishing company’s legal right to control the distribution of its intellectual property. Think about it like this.. If you buy the hardcover of a book, is it OK to steal a paperback version? --- (Not saying I don't download things, of course.) inb4 pirating isn't stealing. Anyone arguing this needs to get their head out of their ass. |
LeondreFeb 15, 2012 8:12 PM
Leondre said: inb4 pirating isn't stealing. Anyone arguing this needs to get their head out of their ass. Sure and man slaughter is the same exact thing as murder! not like there is clear legal definitions for this shit or anything. |
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Jigero said: Leondre said: inb4 pirating isn't stealing. Anyone arguing this needs to get their head out of their ass. Sure and man slaughter is the same exact thing as murder! not like there is clear legal definitions for this shit or anything. You are right, they are the same thing and should be treated as such. Intentional or not. |
Leondre said: Going to repeat what has been said before...[inb4 pirating isn't stealing. Anyone arguing this needs to get their head out of their ass. You are not stealing, you are copying. |
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Gogetters said: Leondre said: Going to repeat what has been said before...[inb4 pirating isn't stealing. Anyone arguing this needs to get their head out of their ass. You are not stealing, you are copying. Taking either the object itself or any replication without permission of the creator is stealing. Call it copying if you want to make yourself feel better, but in relation to this topic the two are synonymous. Also I'd love to see you try to tell that to a judge. "But I was just copying it." |
LeondreFeb 16, 2012 1:06 AM
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