| What is good in war? when we study history almost all of our study is about wars and the leaders of armies and not only in history the world war and the cold war was there too is there any meaning in starting a war? name just one thing good in war! i see war doesn't bring any thing good at all all that it brings is massacre and sadness |
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| Technological advances. |
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| Acquiring new resources. (At least for the winning side) It also helped in the fields of Science, Math, and Psychology. |
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| Amazing literature that extracts the realism and concepts of war, technological advancement in the military department; psychologically, war has a dual effect of traumatizing people, or if they grow out of the trauma and tragedy, the person affected becomes more humble. |
| People dying. Now let me elaborate; there's nothing good about people dying, but once they start one, I just want them all dead. |
| God sure is cruel, sometimes he makes you live. Gather some leaves of Japanese. |
| You guys started the fire in me looks like it is good in a way or another that's it I'm going to play battlefield 3 and call of duty MW3 again :3 but is there more than killing in it a mean that's it kill him before he kill ya? |
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| War is good. It stimulates consumerism and functions as a population controller, in a sense. I don't care about any of that though. Life is always about who is more fit for success and who should remain mediocre. You know that one saying? That history is written by the victors? They weren't lying. |
| War gets rid of all of the people who disagree with you. It's way faster to just slaughter all the naysayers than to try to live with them or give them time to learn to see things your way. What do you expect? Humans just love killing each other. ^^ Look at the US, they started a war over 3000 dead, now over a 1 000 000 people are dead. Including 4000 more Americans. Doesn't that disparity seem a bit disproportionate? All I'm saying is, a nuke or two could have done the same job of indiscriminately killing people, but would have saved the lives of those 4000 Americans... |
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Vinter said: War gets rid of all of the people who disagree with you. It's way faster to just slaughter all the naysayers than to try to live with them or give them time to learn to see things your way. What do you expect? Humans just love killing each other. ^^ Look at the US, they started a war over 3000 dead, now over a 1 000 000 people are dead. Including 4000 more Americans. Doesn't that disparity seem a bit disproportionate? All I'm saying is, a nuke or two could have done the same job of indiscriminately killing people, but would have saved the lives of those 4000 Americans... And that nuke or two would have caused retaliation by the rest of the world, and thus World War. 4000 doesn't seem like a big price to pay at all. |
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SilencedSoul said: Vinter said: War gets rid of all of the people who disagree with you. It's way faster to just slaughter all the naysayers than to try to live with them or give them time to learn to see things your way. What do you expect? Humans just love killing each other. ^^ Look at the US, they started a war over 3000 dead, now over a 1 000 000 people are dead. Including 4000 more Americans. Doesn't that disparity seem a bit disproportionate? All I'm saying is, a nuke or two could have done the same job of indiscriminately killing people, but would have saved the lives of those 4000 Americans... And that nuke or two would have caused retaliation by the rest of the world, and thus World War. 4000 doesn't seem like a big price to pay at all. Yeah, sure... The rest of the world are going to retaliate over Afghanistan.  |
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| wars, advance technology rapidly, spurs economies on the winning side, expands cultures and ideologies, unifies governments, or get rid of useless ones, bring notice to nations or peoples causes, to expand resources and populations. Wars have alot of benefit if they are done correctly. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| Absolutely nothing XD |
| War brings the end of tyrannical regimes and places better politicians in. |
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| What is it good for? Nothing. There is one certain thing about war, and that is innocent people die in it. Everything else said in this thread so far, is either doubtful or completely stupid. |
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Hoppy said: War brings the end of tyrannical regimes and places better politicians in. Umm no. War brings more oil money to the US. |
kodial said: What is it good for? Nothing. There is one certain thing about war, and that is innocent people die in it. Penicillin a drug that has saved count less live has also killed thousands of "innocent" people due to allergic reaction. Every step of progress the human race has made people have died for it, Progress is about meeting needs, and war is when some ones needs conflict with some on else's needs. Should we stop all progress because some one might die from it? |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| However penicillin saves lives, war doesn't. War only takes lives. |
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| War is the cycle of life. You strive, you consume, and take. War is the embodiment of man's dissatisfying nature. Does this really have to be debated? |
| What kind of bullshit philosophy is this? There is no way anyone can justify war. Let's see if you can maintain the same reasoning if war ever visits your homes. Say to the aggressor that you understand, it's only in his human nature while he destroys your house and kills your family. |
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| it has nothing good for both sides but war protect your Pride |
| Yeah, what the fuck is with you people in this thread. The only person that makes even an bit of sense is kodial. Seriously, do you people not understand why war pushes technology forward? Instead of wasting money on war government could fund science instead. War suddenly puts a "value" on having technology, but it is actually possible to fund research without war. :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ I hope (for you pro-war folks) that your country is invaded and your homes get destroyed, you ignorant fuckholes. Go die in a nuclear winter. |
kodial said: What kind of bullshit philosophy is this? Might I recommend not having harsh language. You'll get yourself upset. There is no way anyone can justify war. There is no justifying it. If you're referring to me, I was acknowledging the pretenses behind it and the consequential stimulation. Just so you know. Let's see if you can maintain the same reasoning if war ever visits your homes. Say to the aggressor that you understand, it's only in his human nature while he destroys your house and kills your family. Well, it wouldn't be war if you just let them do that, now would it? War happens because you can't understand, or in the case you do, you don't accept it and refuse to compromise. selective_yellow said: I hope (for you pro-war folks) that your country is invaded and your homes get destroyed, you ignorant fuckholes. Go die in a nuclear winter. Don't get so worked up. Hoping for that is rather cruel, don't you think? |
| "Death is the winner of every war. Nothing noble in dying for your religion." |
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| Upset? I suppose by reading posts one can't clearly tell the mood that the poster is in. I am not being upset, I'm being wierded out by people like you. In this topic, we discuss if there's anything good about war, to which I replied that no, there isn't. And then here comes you and your "war is in human nature". Ofcourse, I would take it that you justify war like this. That you see something good in it because of it being in the human nature, as you said. Because, you know, this is the topic of our thread here: What good is in war? Therefore my reply to you: Bullshit philosophy. And I stay to it. I fancy you being a complacent, detached westerner who fancies himself as an intellectual if you're to be thinking like that. Am I right? So now you turn around and try moderate your term on war. "Oh no, I did not mean there was anything good in war, I just tried to define it." What's your point? We all know what war is and where does it come from. Is there any good sides to it, that's what the OP is asking. If you still think it's good because it's in human nature, then you're socially perverted. |
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Lauriet said: The shit the people say in this thread is rather cruel.Don't get so worked up. Hoping for that is rather cruel, don't you think? |
| I don't know how you're doing it, but you are blowing me completely out of proportions. Don't do that. If you say war is an insipid evil, but can wish it onto people, you're self-defeating. If you express getting upset over someone disagreeing with your viewpoint, you are generally enacting the first stage of how war is started. I don't know, try harder? You aren't being very convincing. selective_yellow said: The shit the people say in this thread is rather cruel. Self-deprecating humor? |
| Wait, what? Did I wish for war? And though for the second time I'm not upset, are you suggesting that having an argument that could be seen as upset, is a cause for war? |
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kodial said: However penicillin saves lives, war doesn't. War only takes lives. Tell that to all the people who would have been tortured to death by Saddam, had he and his jolly men of mischief not been slaughtered by the Americans. Sometimes killing a thousand people, saves a million. kodial said: What kind of bullshit philosophy is this? There is no way anyone can justify war. Let's see if you can maintain the same reasoning if war ever visits your homes. Say to the aggressor that you understand, it's only in his human nature while he destroys your house and kills your family. Understanding your enemy doesn't imply agreeing with them. I can understand Al-Qaeda and the insurgents in Iraq. I can see how they're angry and feel justified in their beliefs. And who am I to tell them they're wrong? I'm not a god, I can't make the decision what is and isn't right. But I can make the decision that I don't really care what is right or wrong. That when it comes down to either us or them, they have to die. If this was the movie Avatar, none of us would be siding with the Na'vi. Humanity needed unobtanium for their survival, so the blue kitties gotta go. It's the same thing with war. One side wants X, the other side wants Y, one side has to die. Doesn't really matter which one, but the world just isn't big enough for both sides. |
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| It is easy to hate war. Makes sense it is destructive. But, until we fundamentally change humanity is a big way, peace would be even worse. Picture no war, no famine no disease, nothing at all that kills us off. Now picture what the world would be like with no need for money. Everyone is provided for. Now you better see a massive plunge in our species birth rate, or you better be ready for no food no water and no space. Because we have long been convinced that it is our right to procreate. And if we were told no more than one child per couple, that is still too many. Today, the Chinese can afford to go to war and lose 10 million young marriageable aged males simply because they would actually benefit from not needing to cope with all of them wanting non existent partners that would all want at least one child. It's simple math, if everyone woman if child bearing age in China were to have one child, they would have created more new people than most of the industrialized world could produce combined. Canada after all, only has something like 33-34 million people. And that is everyone, every age both genders. War, you are not required to like it and I hope you never forget it. But until we stop acting like out of control vermin, we can't afford to lose it. |
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| @Vinter Kill a thousand to save a million? Ok, ok... First of all, Americans gave power to Saddam, in order to make war with Iran. The Iran-Iraq War costed the lives of over one million people, most of them Iranians. Secondly, though Saddam was not a good leader and he's responsible for the deaths of thousands of Iraqis, it's nothing compared to the embargo that UN imposed on Iraq, which more or less was another unofficial genocide, over one million and a half of Iraqis died due to these sanctions. Thirdly, while the first Gulf War claimed the lives of several dozens of thousands of Iraqis, the second cost the lives of waaaaaay more than one million of people, Iraqis in their greatest majority again. With the instability that USA has introduced to the area now, God knows how many thousands more will die, and I bet that number too will exceed the million, rather sooner than later. So, you see, Americans did no service to Iraq by taking Saddam out. They did it more harm than ever anyone could imagine, and that can only show by the years to come. Especially if one considers that it was they who gave Saddam the power, in the first place... Anyway, not everyone is a heartless bitch such as yourself. If this was the Avatar, I would be with the Na'Vi, you can count on that. Whoever the Aggressors are and whatever their reasons, they have the option not to start the war. However they do, and that makes them the bad guys. I'm not with the bad guys ofcourse. @Lesley_Roberta You're actually suggesting that war is necessairy so we can control population? I can't believe that... Ok then, why don't you start with yourself if we're too many here? Lead by example. Just because the Chinese are more than the Canadians, doesn't mean their lives are less precious than yours. Teach humanity to be more responsible but don't kill them for it, for God's sake! Seriously, people... |
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Sebulon said: "Death is the winner of every war. Nothing noble in dying for your religion." If only the Islamic terrorists realized this. |
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Zachgranstrom said: Acquiring new resources. (At least for the winning side) Acquiring new resources with innocent human lives at stake? No. I personally don't see any benefits from a war. If it's a war against unknown sentient beings to protect humanity from extinction, I think it is a different case. |
Innoxious said: Zachgranstrom said: Acquiring new resources. (At least for the winning side) Acquiring new resources with innocent human lives at stake? No. I personally don't see any benefits from a war. If it's a war against unknown sentient beings to protect humanity from extinction, I think it is a different case. I know my answer seemed a bit harsh, but that is an unfortunate(fortunate for those in power), spoil in war. Now, don't get me wrong, I hate war and violence, too. However, I accept the fact that there benefits of war along with disadvantages.(the disadvantages obviously outweighing the advantages) |
Zachgranstrom said: Innoxious said: Zachgranstrom said: Acquiring new resources. (At least for the winning side) Acquiring new resources with innocent human lives at stake? No. I personally don't see any benefits from a war. If it's a war against unknown sentient beings to protect humanity from extinction, I think it is a different case. I know my answer seemed a bit harsh, but that is an unfortunate(fortunate for those in power), spoil in war. Now, don't get me wrong, I hate war and violence, too. However, I accept the fact that there benefits of war along with disadvantages.(the disadvantages obviously outweighing the advantages) Well, if there are more disadvantages than benefits, I think it can't be considered to be good. No worries, I never thought you like war and violence. Pretty sure people with common sense will hate them. |
| Some of these responses are pretty sociopathic... (Lauriet, if you say in your first post that 'war is good', any claims of your stance being misapprehended ring kind of hollow) It seems that war is being justified based on the resources etc acquired by the victors. The people who decide such resources (like, I don't know...OIL) are worth the deaths of thousands/millions obviously don't risk their own lives for the benefit of their country...maybe that's because the country as a whole doesn't benefit. Also, whilst war does seem to bring with it technological advances, I'd contend that such technological advances would be impossible without wars...I'm sure monetary incentive would make a few people consider such advancements (read: Capitalism thread...). |
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| "If we don't end war, war will end us" (H. G Wells) Pretty much sums up my attitude towards war. I don't think anything is worth the thousands of lives that are thrown away in war. |
| I see no benefits in getting the spoils of war if we're the aggressors. I'd rather starve than kill someone to eat his food. |
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| I hate war right now, i wish we were still using swords, spears, axes etc etc. That would be awesome :3. When i think about war i never think about fights were things as bombs or guns are included, it have to be about swords and stuff. But if i need to thing about a good thing about war it must be the technology we gain from it. Still, i wish that we just for ONCE would go into war with swords and stuff again, it seems like badass peeps are more badass when they aren't in danger of being shot down by a sniper constantly. |
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fnland said: Still, i wish that we just for ONCE would go into war with swords and stuff again, it seems like badass peeps are more badass when they aren't in danger of being shot down by a sniper constantly. English longbowmen was the sniper during that era. |
| Without war the population becomes lazy and complacent while the government grows fatter and more tyrannical. |
JonyJC said: Without war the population becomes lazy and complacent while the government grows fatter and more tyrannical. Best reason eve. |
Lauriet said: Unlike you I actually do not support war. So no, not self-deprecating at all.selective_yellow said: The shit the people say in this thread is rather cruel. Self-deprecating humor? @sukunai or whatever the fuck you call yourself now: Actually, if every couple had only one child this would eventually lead to a population decline. (Note: not everyone wants/can have any children anyhow). I'm not sure about you, but I am pretty sure I know how basic math works. |
kodial said: I see no benefits in getting the spoils of war if we're the aggressors. I'd rather starve than kill someone to eat his food. Most people wouldn't. Survival of the fittest and all of that. |
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Jack_Rav said: Some of these responses are pretty sociopathic. Okay, let me elaborate. War is good, it stimulates growth. I also view it as a measure of social darwinism and a buffer for population control. I don't support it like people saying I am. If I could, I'd be in the armed forces already. If I could have my way, I'd be putting funds into medical fields instead of munitions. But if someone was going to invade my country, I'd be putting everything into ammunition and weaponry. selective_yellow said: Unlike you I actually do not support war. So no, not self-deprecating at all. You're really adamant about that little fantasy about me, aren't you? Don't be rude to me, and don't push it onto me. I don't wish war on anybody, and I'm the one that says war has good points. while the one that says it isn't good at all, is wishing it on people.Who is being more unreasonable? And now, who is the one that had to hide a portion of their message? If you did that, you knew you were stepping out of line. Think about, what do you think you could have done better? Look, I won't mince words. If you're going to harass and bully me, just fucking do it and don't use this as an outlet, people. |
| Just let me say something to all of you who think war's good points are all the scientific discoveries'n stuff. Everything we discovered in war, we could have discovered in peace just as easily. Also, no technology discovered during the war was used to save lives. It was only when peace returned that we actually turned weapons into power plants and vehicles. If you think about it from a sociological point of view, what is war? A bunch of brainwashed idiots going around killing other brainwashed idiots literally because someone told them to do so. Soldiers are dangerous. Any human retarded enough to kill someone when ordered is dangerous and mentally damaged. Military is an institution which mentally cripples people. Already mentally weak people go into military because they are freed from responsibility which they can't handle and they don't have to use their heads ever again. If there is anything good about that, I sincerely failed to notice. |
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Lauriet said: selective_yellow said: Unlike you I actually do not support war. So no, not self-deprecating at all. You're really adamant about that little fantasy about me, aren't you? Don't be rude to me, and don't push it onto me. I don't wish war on anybody, and I'm the one that says war has good points. while the one that says it isn't good at all, is wishing it on people.Who is being more unreasonable? And now, who is the one that had to hide a portion of their message? If you did that, you knew you were stepping out of line. Think about, what do you think you could have done better? Look, I won't mince words. If you're going to harass and bully me, just fucking do it and don't use this as an outlet, people. In my original response I did not even mention you, I am not bullying you and I don't even know who you are. Stop taking everything so personally. I whited it out because it was not serious. Something like "you people should get a taste of what you think is just." People in this thread claim that they want to go to war with people who have a differing opinion to eliminate them, so I claimed the same thing at them. Sorry I had to explain that to you, guess I'll try to be more obvious next time. The rest of the post was serious, so I wanted to separate it. There is no "line," to step out of. It is not self deprecating because I do not wish for war at all, even for the people in this thread who seemed quite war hungry. War has no good points, by the way. |
TokoyamiSenshi said: Just let me say something to all of you who think war's good points are all the scientific discoveries'n stuff. Everything we discovered in war, we could have discovered in peace just as easily. Also, no technology discovered during the war was used to save lives. It was only when peace returned that we actually turned weapons into power plants and vehicles. If you think about it from a sociological point of view, what is war? A bunch of brainwashed idiots going around killing other brainwashed idiots literally because someone told them to do so. Soldiers are dangerous. Any human retarded enough to kill someone when ordered is dangerous and mentally damaged. Military is an institution which mentally cripples people. Already mentally weak people go into military because they are freed from responsibility which they can't handle and they don't have to use their heads ever again. If there is anything good about that, I sincerely failed to notice. What do you base this on? Is there a factual basis to back up your thesis? Or is it just your personal, subjective opinion developed from a lifetime of being told what is right and wrong by other people who have no more authority on the subject than anyone else? |
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