ideoidiom said: I think that's what the creators wanted. I'm pretty sure him witnessing GHQ kill his parents and thus making him plot revenge woul;d be a worse cliche.Shu has no inspiring motivation to join the 'cause' -- at least not one that people can command respect from the viewers (the one 'cause' I can think of on top of my head is Inori, which is basically a stereotypical 'filler' heroin until she gets a 'back story' episode). Honestly, I'd respect Shu even less if that's his only motive, because that would mean his character is but a collection of shounen impulses. You yourself said that Shu should be someone you can 'relate' to, acting like what a normal person would in these situations. Just in what way is throwing your life away (quite literally) to save some stranger make any reasonable sense? this is shounen though. o_o so his shounen impulses are hardly out of place. plus, that "Save the stranger" thing might not be realistic. but between making Shu an even bigger pussy by making him run away and that "boy who wants to save his crush" cliche their choice is certainly more fun to watch.For example, I'll use the Code Geass comparison since that seems to be the vibe when it comes to GC. Lelouche had to topple his father's empire for the sake of his crippled sister. Shu has to go on life threatening missions for a shot-in-the-dark chance at some chick (although the audience all know that they'd end up together...sigh.). I don't see any point on complaining about a shounen cliche in a shounen anime. it's not like this show is trying it's best to avoid cliches...Here's a breakdown of what you think are 'good' about the show and what some other people (me -- at least for now) think: Bolded=you ... character design has nothing to do with characterization. and she's a pretty girl in a shounen anime with a shounen MC. her only depth being an unsolved mystery, i can agree with at least. but that doesn't make her flat for me. Because I'm totally not looking for ocean deep characters in the first 6 episodes.1)Character Design (Inori one of a kind heroine) DESIGN? As in how 'cute' she was drawn? Because facial values only take you so far when it comes to liking a character. Outside of that, she's boring as hell -- the only 'depth' about her comes from what has yet to be disclosed about her. You can't appreciate a mystery until it's been 'solved'. 3)Animation (Need i say more ? watch ep 1 and 4 ) 2 and 3 No one is disputing the production values of GC. In fact, this was the reason that this anime was so hyped in the first place, as well as the reason why the hype came crashing down -- it lacked the substance to back up people's expectations. You can only listen to My Dearest so many times before facing facts. I just picked up this show because of some screenshots of it i saw. so that can probably explain the lack of expectations for GC to topple on my case. 4)Realism to some extent (Shu's personality is natural which makes it so much easy for people to relate to. No im not going to argue this point over and over again) I have to admit. I had the biggest facepalm in a long while watching GC.Yes i do agree some parts which are retarded like robots freezing, guards walking up to inori while she shoots them down But hey if you are going to be so picky about it and hate it just because of that then you are retarded. Movies have lots of mistakes so if you pick one up are you goign to hate it just because of it? The production crew makes mistakes. We get that. But when these 'mistakes' are overwhelmingly common and obvious, it's really hard to take this show seriously. You can only tolerate so much 'conveniences' before you stop caring and pass down judgement. It's like what teachers do with grammar errors when grading a bad essay, first they make a few corrections, then you see less and less of it as the paper goes on -- this isn't because you've made less mistakes, but because the grader stopped giving a shit, which gets reflected in your grade. If this was around episode 15 it would have been enough reason to drop this. it's still to early to say this show will be dumb all throughout. oh hey, they're at episode six and it's full of fanservice. get to the fucking point! THIS SHOW IS SHIT. |
KyrduaNov 19, 2011 11:43 PM
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ideoidiom said: So what if they want to escape to a show where they can relate to a protagonist with super powers and is surrounded by hot babes? Who the fuck are you to judge? Just a passerby who's noticing an incredibly large flock of SHEEPLE; wondering loudly when the herders [ie. the animu creators] will finally turn them all into lamb chops and wool clothing. ^_^ |
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| I don't get why this show is getting much more flak than Mirai Nikki because of Shu's very generic personality where in fact Yukiteru from the said anime is much more of a pussy and is definitely more annoying. + Mirai Nikki lacks common sense. |
| @Kyrdua It's pretty obvious that this show is shounen and I never once disputed it. It's just that the thread starter is asking for depth that isn't there. Kyrdua said: character design has nothing to do with characterization. Thanks for the clarification, Sherlock, who's hiring you to be the semantics detective around here? Kyrdua said: hey, the antagonist in TTGL is just a crazy monarch. that's pretty darn cliche man. THIS SHOW IS SHIT. Are you kidding? Just a crazy monarch? Have you even seen TTGL and looked at his backstory? The mad scientist has nothing on him. Kyrdua said: oh hey, they're at episode six and it's full of fanservice. get to the fucking point! THIS SHOW IS SHIT. First of all, what a horrible follow-up to what you just said. That aside -- I have not once complained about the fanservice overload (in fact, read post #51), but for a show as short as GC and as much to cover, I just can't see the justification in wasting valuable time on these 'skits' that doesn't really matter. I list many, many things that constitute a 'bad show' in my books; wasting time on fillers is one of them. |
ideoidiomNov 20, 2011 2:45 AM
Tyrenol said: ideoidiom said: So what if they want to escape to a show where they can relate to a protagonist with super powers and is surrounded by hot babes? Who the fuck are you to judge? Just a passerby who's noticing an incredibly large flock of SHEEPLE; wondering loudly when the herders [ie. the animu creators] will finally turn them all into lamb chops and wool clothing. ^_^ You don't get to pull the sheeple card over some people liking GC. |
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| People probably wouldn't hate on Shu that much if he had ANY kind of likable personality. So he's not badass, ok not everyone needs to be badass that'd be boring, but, is he funny? NOPE. Is he charismatic? NOPE. Is his words quotable? NOPE. So WHY EXACTLY would I like him? he has nothing going really. |
| If u was a mod I would close this thread. There's too many wars going on....... |
| "Justice Never Dies!" - Kenji Endou, 20th century Boys |
thekiller99 said: I have to say he is really really naive This sums it up pretty nicely. Naive and Shounen protagonist don't exactly go hand in hand. They are typically hotblooded and have something to prove. Naive doesn't work in the scenario specific to GC, when the world around him is chaotic (and he should be used to it since the outbreak wasn't that long ago) as this. There's something awfully out of place in having a 'naive' personality (usually a product of a too-well-off childhood) especially in this setting. He's not fooling anyone. Tyrenol said: ideoidiom said: So what if they want to escape to a show where they can relate to a protagonist with super powers and is surrounded by hot babes? Who the fuck are you to judge? Just a passerby who's noticing an incredibly large flock of SHEEPLE; wondering loudly when the herders [ie. the animu creators] will finally turn them all into lamb chops and wool clothing. ^_^ *speaking for fans outside Japan* Why are you so sensitive about what they want? It's not like these 'herders' can leech much off of the viewers. I'm pretty sure they have better things to spend their money (limited, I might add) on than anime-related merchandise. Which is rare , and isn't really a 'thing' over here, especially for them. The disc release is another no-brainer. I'm pretty sure most of the 'targeted audience' pretty much watches this for free over the internet. The only thing the 'herders' are taking from them are valuable youth. Which is, I guess, "priceless"...if you want to go there. -_-' |
ideoidiomNov 20, 2011 1:31 AM
| Honestly, I don't even know where all these hate towards 'fanboyism' is coming from. I would give anything to be able to feel that way about a specific show; it's why I keep watching anime. Just because people don't feel the same thing as you doesn't make your feelings any less true. I remember Shakugan no Shana was the first 'GC' for me way back. But I can't look at it the same way today. Whatever chemical cocktail my pubescent brain stirred up that made me love that show has long been spilled. And the same will happen to you over time with 'GC' (you won't 'hate it', per se, but you'll start to wonder what made you 'loved it' so much). Reading the opinions of others would just quicken this process and make you see all the 'flaws' of this show -- even the ones you'd missed. I guess what I'm trying to say is -- why bother changing everyone's minds when you know nothing about us, or our circumstances? (nor should you care) And yes...circumstances are everything... believe me. |
ideoidiomNov 20, 2011 2:26 AM
| The best way to silence the hatred is to ignore them. |
ideoidiom said: Honestly, I don't even know where all these hate towards 'fanboyism' is coming from. Because... 1. Their hobby 2. The cool-kids says so 3. Their fave show is less popular 4. having a period 5. They've been betrayed by the show 6. They don't have anything better to do 7. The show is really sucks balls 8. The director is a retard 9. The fanboy is also a retard 10. They really love hearing/reading your mindless rage Problem? |
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Malestel said: Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm.... (yes, there are exceptions) So the haters are all jaded? :P |
pinotto90 said: freezing? sacred seven? busou renkin? do you really think that they are better than gc? come on... Let's do this one by one: Freezing: it's only marginally better because the male protagonist is marginally better than GC's. The female protagonists are both of the VERY naive type, almost looking like idiots even, so that's a "draw." And they both have this "imba" powers. lol Sacred Seven: They both have a bad way of handling the plot (thus I dropped Sacred Seven eventually after 8 episodes), but Arma is marginally better than Shu. But only by a little bit. And Ranka who now ditched the green hair...I mean Ruri, is just the same "garden variety" as Inori is, with just some (more or less inconsequential) distinguishing features between the two. Haven't watched Busou Renkin though so I can't really comment on that. |
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Malestel said: Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm.... (yes, there are exceptions) well, actually quite true. I was one of fanboys when I only completed about 200-300 anime. I easily give high score for popular anime... then, when reached 500. I think I should re-consider most of my anime score. for example I changed all Shakugan no Shana season score, from 8 to 5. but it doesn't mean I hate popular show. I still give Gintama, Code Geass and K-ON high score. because that anime really enjoyable... |
| So, I just got around to watching this for the first time last night. And I really enjoyed it. Was it perfect? No, there were things that bothered me. Was it unique? No, many aspects have been done before. And yet, I went in with no expectations, and I found a show that was extremely well animated, had a great soundtrack, and overall was impressive and engaging to watch. I think it's best to approach this with no preconceived notions and just take it at face value. Don't go in expecting it to be the most amazing thing ever, and don't go in expecting it to be terrible by comparing and contrasting it to other series. I'm not too entrenched in the apparent 'drama' surrounding it, but I just wanted to come in and say it's a good show, and I had a lot of fun watching it. I'm neither going to support it endlessly nor bash it. It really makes no difference to me how other people gauged it. I'd definitely say to give it a try though if you're on the fence, and not let other's criticisms stop you from it. |
IZUMI64 said: Malestel said: Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm.... (yes, there are exceptions) well, actually quite true. I was one of fanboys when I only completed about 200-300 anime. I easily give high score for popular anime... then, when reached 500. I think I should re-consider most of my anime score. for example I changed all Shakugan no Shana season score, from 8 to 5. but it doesn't mean I hate popular show. I still give Gintama, Code Geass and K-ON high score. because that anime really enjoyable... So you changed your score because you're too cool for those shows now? Somehow giving a show a new rating after you've seen it 3141321312 years ago without rewatching it means it's more 'objective' in the grand scheme of things? Not gonna bother trolling you about how you rate you shizz, just sayin', it ain't fair to those titles that you've forgotten pretty much everything about. And the thing about more than 200 or 250 or whatever isn't true. I'm pretty sure it has more to do with age than your view count. I'm well on my way to becoming a raging critic and I only have 6x titles under my belt. |
| Having watched more anime just gives you a better idea of what is cliché and what is not, it doesn't change a show from being what it is. |
ideoidiom said: IZUMI64 said: Malestel said: Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm.... (yes, there are exceptions) well, actually quite true. I was one of fanboys when I only completed about 200-300 anime. I easily give high score for popular anime... then, when reached 500. I think I should re-consider most of my anime score. for example I changed all Shakugan no Shana season score, from 8 to 5. but it doesn't mean I hate popular show. I still give Gintama, Code Geass and K-ON high score. because that anime really enjoyable... So you changed your score because you're too cool for those shows now? Somehow giving a show a new rating after you've seen it 3141321312 years ago without rewatching it means it's more 'objective' in the grand scheme of things? Not gonna bother trolling you about how you rate you shizz, just sayin', it ain't fair to those titles that you've forgotten pretty much everything about. And the thing about more than 200 or 250 or whatever isn't true. I'm pretty sure it has more to do with age than your view count. I'm well on my way to becoming a raging critic and I only have 6x titles under my belt. no, of course not. If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters. I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist. about Shana, first time I watched it really cool because back then I don't have many anime to compare with it. and after what they did with 3rd season. I was really disappointed with the development. that's all... same goes with BLEACH, used to love it but now with that kind of story I changed BLEACH score from 8 to 4 |
Yeah the time gap between the Shanas feel way too long, it's like Inuyasha, I remember back when I was a kid I worshiped that show, but now that they decided to conclude it, I just couldn't give half a shit to any of the characters. You just lose all the buildup. Oh and Bleach would be a decent shounen show if you forget all the fillers and watch the whole thing in one get go. Too bad you've opened the Pandoras Box already. But anyway, reevaluating continuing series and re-rating old series are a little different. The former requires you to deal with regaining lost buildup to enjoy the show, while the latter is just how far your memory takes you -- which I'm pretty sure is unreliable if you're given the chance to talk to your old self. That's why it's called nostalgia, you can never relive the same moment; therefore you should never reevaluate it. Getting off-topic. |
ideoidiomNov 20, 2011 1:07 PM
IZUMI64 said: If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters. I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist. Why would you hate LOGH? Why would you love moe? |
Malestel said: I love reading these threads. Here, I made a template so anyone can reconstruct these: A likes the show B doesn't. A: My opinion is absolute, if you don't agree with me you are wrong and I don't like to read your posts so gtfo! - Goes on to explain the good things about the show (or what he percieves as such anyway). B: Your opinion is trash, I am in the right here, this is show is a cliched mess. If you don't like to read my comments gtfo. - Goes on to explain the bad things about the show (or what he percieves as such anyway) This goes on for a few (hundred)comments. Occasionally a C comes along, who understands that these threads are pointless, but comments anyway. He doesn't really love the show, but appreciates the good points and feels sad about the bad ones. Acts like an intermediary between A and B. This thread is always makes my day |
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Tiago97 said: IZUMI64 said: If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters. I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist. Why would you hate LOGH? Why would you love moe? If he hates LoGH, clearly his opinion is invalid |
ddw1aNov 20, 2011 3:20 PM
Jankaruro said: If shu isn't a pussy, then I guess Naruto isn't gay for Sasuke. Segai is gay for Shu. |
mellors said: Confucius said: Tiago97 said: IZUMI64 said: If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters. I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist. Why would you hate LOGH? Why would you love moe? If he hates LoGH, clearly his opinion is invalid Actually its posts like this that make people judge LoGH badly before they've even watched it. I don't think so, though some may believe that. He doesn't have LoGH on his list and he has begin to hate it. |
| Fuck me. Why did I bring up LoGH in this thread. Better stay away from it when making comparisons next time. This better go away soon. Well this is what happens when you mess with them: they swarm in and take over. |
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