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Oct 19, 2011 6:48 AM
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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Well that ending was strange. Tsukishima is giving Byakuya a good fight whereas Rukia's fight is kinda strange.
I laughed at the end Rukia got turned into a doll xD
Also I thought the girl Rukia is fighting didn't want to fight so why is she fighting?
Oct 19, 2011 6:52 AM
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Poor Rukia xDD but she is still cute :3
Oct 19, 2011 7:04 AM
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I knew last week left off at Tsukishima vs Byakuya, but when I saw the cover of Ichigo vs Ginjou, I couldn't help but be a little excited. I wish there was more fighting in this chap.
Naw cute plushie Rukia.
Oct 19, 2011 7:12 AM
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Yeah, why Riruka is fighting ? -.-
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Oct 19, 2011 7:19 AM
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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Well that ending was strange. Tsukishima is giving Byakuya a good fight whereas Rukia's fight is kinda strange.
I laughed at the end Rukia got turned into a doll xD
Also I thought the girl Rukia is fighting didn't want to fight so why is she fighting?



Yaa i dont understand either... why is Riruka fighting didnt think she wanted to fight at all.. she was agianst getting ichigos power..
Hey,Nana, do you remember our first encounter?



nee 、 nana ha 、 watashi tachi no saisho no deai oboe te?



ちょっと、ナナ、最初の出会いを覚えてますか?
Oct 19, 2011 7:20 AM
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Its almost conceited that Riruka thinks she can beat Rukia lolz.
Oct 19, 2011 7:23 AM
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Awww.......how cuuuuuute~
Oct 19, 2011 7:27 AM
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Pahaha.
fuck everything and rumble
Oct 19, 2011 7:46 AM
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Well, um...that was an interesting way to end the chapter xD
I love how the Byakuya/Tsukishima fight is going, that was the one fight I wasn't expecting to go wrong for the shinigami (at least not at first).

As for Rukia, I love seeing her squee at the plushies- she's always so serious! - but that's quite a predicament lol, can't wait to see how that turns out
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Oct 19, 2011 7:58 AM

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Now that Tsukishima has cut Byakuya, shouldn't the fight be over? He can just insert whatever past he want and make Byakuya sacrifice himself or something. lol..
Oct 19, 2011 8:05 AM
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hovi said:Now that Tsukishima has cut Byakuya, shouldn't the fight be over? He can just insert whatever past he want and make Byakuya sacrifice himself or something. lol..


He did inserted himself into Byakuya's past, but Byakuya don't remember it....
Consistency, anyone ?
Oct 19, 2011 8:10 AM

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XD rukia looked sooo cute lol
Tsukishima is putting up a good fight >.
Oct 19, 2011 8:11 AM

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Fool! A cabinet is NOT cute!


that's all i got.
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Oct 19, 2011 8:14 AM

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The way they explain everything is just so annoying, well, I think it's time for me to get used to it.
Rukia and the cute things, was a masterpiece though.
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WSJ cover representing an event that doesn't happen in this issue.
Colored front page only in black and white.
Byakuya forgets about Kido.
Tsukishima doesn't even try to mind control Byakuya.
Infodump during battles.
Rukia looks down on humans.
Rukia is completely helpless against an easy target.
Kubo's style, everyone! Why this is in first place again?
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Arashi89 said:
WSJ cover representing an event that doesn't happen in this issue.
Colored front page only in black and white.
Byakuya forgets about Kido.
Tsukishima doesn't even try to mind control Byakuya.
Infodumb during battles.
Rukia looks down on humans.
Rukia is completely helpless against an easy target.
Kubo's style, everyone! Why this is in first place again?
QFT.
Oct 19, 2011 8:34 AM

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Uh, hurtless area?
I know it's translated but they said they just translated what Kubo said.
Really?
And Rukia's gonna beat Riruka(wow, the naming...) with overwhelming cuteness.
Just...no.
Oct 19, 2011 8:53 AM
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Arashi89 said:
WSJ cover representing an event that doesn't happen in this issue.
Colored front page only in black and white.
Byakuya forgets about Kido.
Tsukishima doesn't even try to mind control Byakuya.
Infodump during battles.
Rukia looks down on humans.
Rukia is completely helpless against an easy target.
Kubo's style, everyone! Why this is in first place again?


Bleach is unranked because it has a cover page, so it's technically not in 1st place.

Apparently Byakuya has a 'hurtless area' which wasn't brought up in his previous fights, since he's cut, shouldn't the fight be over already? If Tsukishima can manipulate the past, then why doesn't he just insert himself killing Byakuya when he cut him?

So if shinigamis are there to protect humans, why did Kenpachi kill a human by cutting him in half a couple chapters ago?
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hovi said:
Now that Tsukishima has cut Byakuya, shouldn't the fight be over? He can just insert whatever past he want and make Byakuya sacrifice himself or something. lol..

That's what i'm thinking since i saw first color page with byakuya blood. Fight should be over. There is no need for Tsukishima to know his abilities and then counter it, when he can do anything in his past like become his younger brother. Kuchiki Tsukshima. right? sound nice. but i guess it's another way to continue fight when there is no need to.

And Rukia become cute plushie. good development.
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Oct 19, 2011 8:59 AM

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Oh my word! I didn't think Rukia could get any cuter.

I WAS WRONG!
Oct 19, 2011 9:01 AM

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Mangastream called it the "No damaga range", I liked that better... not that it matters, since I'm sure that Ichigo managed to get closer to him than that during the SS finale and Byakuya DID manage to shield himself with the small blades. Or was I fooled by the angle and perspective of the camera lens ......

I wonder if Riruka understands that they both will get crushed if she agrees to a truce. If she does, then Rukia will probably be saved when the walls break down, that would be pretty uncool though.

Oct 19, 2011 9:02 AM
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If it wernt for her being in the middle of a battle, I think Rukia would be ecstatic about becoming so cute X/ lol
Oct 19, 2011 9:14 AM

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Gooooo Byakuyaaa kick his ass.;)
Oct 19, 2011 9:21 AM

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Machuran said:

So if shinigamis are there to protect humans, why did Kenpachi kill a human by cutting him in half a couple chapters ago?


Because that's the reason why we love Kenpachi.

I wonder what new technique is Byakuya gonna pull out, because if I realized correctly , that's the only way he can win.
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Oct 19, 2011 9:32 AM

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Why did kubo tite continue the manga after aizen defeat, i just dont get it, and now this fullbring its stupid
Oct 19, 2011 9:53 AM

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Why did kubo tite continue the manga after aizen defeat, i just dont get it, and now this fullbring its stupid

Because there's a shitload of material to go through?

Aizen's connection to Kurosaki family.
Isshin's past.
Soul King as an Enemy and the truth behind the soul king that made Aizen so desperate to oppose him any means necessary. More so the truth that should have made Urahara do the same.
What Mayuri found in HM.
Zeroth Squad and the shady "promotions" into it.
Royal Guard.
The secret and reason behind -getsu swords.

Thats just off the top of my mind, I am sure there's more.

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Mangastream called it the "No damaga range", I liked that better... not that it matters, since I'm sure that Ichigo managed to get closer to him than that during the SS finale and Byakuya DID manage to shield himself with the small blades.


No he did not. Anime -adaptation might have had it, but he never used his petals or abilities at that range to himself.

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Tsukishima doesn't even try to mind control Byakuya.

It takes time.
Also for color pages - not the first time, we saw H2 Ichigo months before Ulqi fight, we saw certain characters there months before it happens, and we still have at least three color pages that still have yet to come true. Its called teasing :)


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hovi said:Now that Tsukishima has cut Byakuya, shouldn't the fight be over? He can just insert whatever past he want and make Byakuya sacrifice himself or something. lol.

That's what i'm thinking since i saw first color page with byakuya blood. Fight should be over. There is no need for Tsukishima to know his abilities and then counter it, when he can do anything in his past like become his younger brother. Kuchiki Tsukshima. right? sound nice. but i guess it's another way to continue fight when there is no need to.
And Rukia become cute plushie. good development.


Tsuki's ability takes some time to work. Remember CHad and Inoue? Most likely thats all we will see of their fight.

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Yeah, why Riruka is fighting ? -.-


She is tsundere. She can't admit defeat without going into dere dere :)


EDIT: Just noticed, Tsuki plainly says that his ability just worked on Bya:
"You can't have forgotten already, I just cut you".
Oct 19, 2011 10:43 AM

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I still think that Riruka'll change sides~
Oct 19, 2011 11:02 AM

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amerzeb said:Why did kubo tite continue the manga after aizen defeat, i just dont get it, and now this fullbring its stupid
Oct 19, 2011 11:12 AM

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Well I think it's only a matter of time when Byakuya defeats Tsukishima. He will find a way, because he is Byakuya after all;)
I just want for Aizen to come back, he was, is and will be awesome
and Rukia was super cute at the end^^
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Oct 19, 2011 11:20 AM

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I still think that Riruka'll change sides~

She will, obviously, as the cover page indicated. However first she needs to go against Inoue somehow, since thats the person she connects with. I would not be surprised on if Inoue came to Rukia's rescue or something.
Oct 19, 2011 11:23 AM
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Because there's a shitload of material to go through?
Aizen's connection to Kurosaki family.
Isshin's past.
Soul King as an Enemy and the truth behind the soul king that made Aizen so desperate to oppose him any means necessary. More so the truth that should have made Urahara do the same.
What Mayuri found in HM.
Zeroth Squad and the shady "promotions" into it.
Royal Guard.
The secret and reason behind -getsu swords.
Thats just off the top of my mind, I am sure there's more.


And instead of using any 1 of these plot points (which would have been more important and much more interesting than this arc), Kubo decides to waste time on this Fullbring nonsense.

It takes time.

Tsuki's ability takes some time to work. Remember CHad and Inoue? Most likely thats all we will see of their fight.


Not for Ginjou, within a few moments of being cut, he reverted back to his old self.
Oct 19, 2011 11:25 AM

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The fight with Byakuya and Tsukishima reminds me of something that happened in Rurouni Kenshin. A guy figured out how Saito's Gatotsu worked and claimed he couldn't lose, so Saito used a minor variation of it and easily won. Simply knowing Byakuya's techniques does not mean you've beaten him, since he can still outsmart you.

Also, lol at Plushie Rukia. I want one!
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Fai said:Because there's a shitload of material to go through?
Aizen's connection to Kurosaki family.
Isshin's past.
Soul King as an Enemy and the truth behind the soul king that made Aizen so desperate to oppose him any means necessary. More so the truth that should have made Urahara do the same.
What Mayuri found in HM.
Zeroth Squad and the shady "promotions" into it.
Royal Guard.
The secret and reason behind -getsu swords.
Thats just off the top of my mind, I am sure there's more

And instead of using any 1 of these plot points (which would have been more important and much more interesting than this arc), Kubo decides to waste time on this Fullbring nonsense.
It takes time.
Tsuki's ability takes some time to work. Remember CHad and Inoue? Most likely thats all we will see of their fight.

Not for Ginjou, within a few moments of being cut, he reverted back to his old self.


Except that the mystery behind the shinigami badge was ALSO one of plotpoints left to be explored ever since Ichigo got the damn thing. Also this connects to Isshin's past too.

Ginjou did not get the memory alteration. It was the undoing of effect. Which was most likely way way way faster. :)
Oct 19, 2011 11:31 AM

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I was denying this for a LONG time, but it's time to admit Bleach sucks. Officially. This is going nowhere, stupid fullbringers and stupid fights. Kubo, please, bring back Soul Society arc's awesomeness or end this manga.
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Fai said:
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Mangastream called it the "No damaga range", I liked that better... not that it matters, since I'm sure that Ichigo managed to get closer to him than that during the SS finale and Byakuya DID manage to shield himself with the small blades.

No he did not. Anime -adaptation might have had it, but he never used his petals or abilities at that range to himself.
I can't believe I spent 5 minutes looking for this, but this is the exact scene I remembered. http://www.mangareader.net/94-617-10/bleach/chapter-163.html You gotta admit, that does look close.

Kubo Tite is hardly immune to slight inconsistencies, and I usually don't care... but Byakuya has always seemed too godly, he could control a million blades/bullets with his mind (I remember when I thought THAT was overkill, pre-Aizen era, *sigh*), his only weakness was Rukia... but now, suddenly, he has this new weakness... makes me wonder if this was revealed just to add excitement to the story or if Byakuya is gonna become cannon fodder for Tsukishima just to emphasize how much stronger Tsukishima is.

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lol about that so called "no damage range"

http://www.mangareader.net/94-617-10/bleach/chapter-163.html
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lol about that so called "no damage range"
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I can't believe I spent 5 minutes looking for this, but this is the exact scene I remembered.



Thats deffensive.

The very point of what Tsukishima explained about senbonzakura is that Byakuya can't attack his opponents when they are n no damage range. Thus while most would assume the best defense against bya is to get far away, the truth is the best defensive action against bya is to rush him forward attacking.

Also, notice how in next pages, its a perfect bubble? Its not close to Bya. Its a sphere around him with area left empty.
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^but tsukishima said the blades never enter that range period so he shouldnt be able to defend either and they seem to be portraying it that way currently. if he could defend in that range it wouldnt be that critical of a weakness.
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^but tsukishima said the blades never enter that range period so he shouldnt be able to defend either and they seem to be portraying it that way currently. if he could defend in that range it wouldnt be that critical of a weakness.

not enter. the correct translation is "intersect or cross" . So theoretically, they can BE there, but they can't take any offense. And if someone gets within that range before he forms a barrier of petals, then he won't be doing anything and would not be able to protect himself. Not to mention that the best way to defend against byakuya is to keep stacking which means bya can't attack you with the sword.

Also, refer to the whole bubble/sphere thing. The way the panel was drawn I got an impression, Byakuya formed the spherical stuff and Ichigo pushed petals back a bit by clashing.
Notice how in next page the petals are spherically surrounding Byakuya nothing in the intersect range.
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this is so stupid...
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well either way ... i have to agree with the guys that say kubo just pulled byakuya's restriction out of his ass, BECAUSE HE NEVER EVER MENTIONED IT BEFORE

so even if:
- there was room for this weakness to be added
- due to the way byakuya's petal dance was portrayed, fits with byakuya's power
- it somewhat makes sense to keep the petals away from the user's body, just to be careful
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It still does look as if he pulled this restriction out of his ass. So it's really lame and stupid.

Anyways i am still looking forward to an awsome comeback from byakuya. The positive side is that byakuya is even more cornered, which i wanted him to be to see some interesting come back and i still hope there wont be a lame kido magic to get out of this. :/
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Except that the mystery behind the shinigami badge was ALSO one of plotpoints left to be explored ever since Ichigo got the damn thing. Also this connects to Isshin's past too.
Ginjou did not get the memory alteration. It was the undoing of effect. Which was most likely way way way faster. :)


Which is why I said that Ginjou reverted back to his old self. When Orihime was 1st cut, she thought of Tsukishima as a friend right after she was attacked. If Tsukishima can control when his victims are affected by his power, why doesn't he just end the fight as soon as possible and move on to the other opponents?

So far Isshin has little no relevance to the story right now, he's been pushed aside along with Urahara and the other humans. We don't even know about Ginjou's true motivations, we've been thrust into these Shinigamis vs. Fullbringers fights with little to no explanation as to why. The Shinigami badge wasn't even much of a mystery, obviously there were other substitutes besides Ichigo, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten a badge in the 1st place.
Oct 19, 2011 2:37 PM

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Whatever. I'm sure Byakuya will either invent a new move or lose like a bitch. The only reason I like this arc is because it's about the strong bullying the weak.
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The fuck? Why doesn't Byakuya think Shuu-chan is Hisana or something? Why didn't Tsukishima use his ability like he did on Inoue? I'm confused.
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Blade will not wound you, that's why it's called hurtless area. -_-

Forget, I'm not even on the mood to mock this shit.
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The fuck? Why doesn't Byakuya think Shuu-chan is Hisana or something? Why didn't Tsukishima use his ability like he did on Inoue? I'm confused.


Tsukishima's ability doesn't kick in instantly, skippy.
Oct 19, 2011 5:41 PM

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I dunno...the colour spread was nice? don't really have much to comment on the chapter itself, was rather boring.
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So.. let's see how this ends...
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At least Rukia became cute once more. Her "17 months of aging" have not been kind to her.
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Psyxwar said:The fuck? Why doesn't Byakuya think Shuu-chan is Hisana or something? Why didn't Tsukishima use his ability like he did on Inoue? I'm confused.

Tsukishima's ability doesn't kick in instantly, skippy.

Basically I expect we won't see how the fight goes and then as Yukio is forced to disable the rooms, it appears byakuya has won.

Then byakuya and Ishida attack their allies and tsuki smirks.
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