| ^ you seriously think they'll change knowing that they win a lot of money with this kind of business ? Stephen Harper ? LOL who the fuck is that useless idiot. petitions are useless. The only way to "fix" this problem is simply by quiting the company and joining a "smaller" one. Once this "smaller" one adapts to the same price, you find another one. |
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| I signed the petition weeks ago, have been following the news stories, emailed Tony Clement (industry minister), Jack Layton, Michael Ignatieff, and my local MP. I'm in the process of organizing a "Stop the Meter" rally. |
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| We are expecting to be as much evolved as USA and Europe, that's why we are complaining. |
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| tough luck buddie, we still have a chance to get the whole loaf so we complain. internet isnt the only thing in aussie land thats expensive either. you guys are pretty use to it |
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dynamo_electron said: Jrittmayer said: I suppose that means alot of Canadians are gonna have to cut back on anime? I feel sorry for them :( indeed we will but we willl not go down without a fihgt 300 Canadians against the might of ISP EMPIRE!! TONIGHT WE DINE IN TORONTO!!!!! |
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| Well damn, thankfully I'm in Alberta and there hasn't been anything about the caps here yet but... It's only a matter of time, I bet. This is going to suck. |
Onibokusu said: SuperSaiyen said: We are expecting to be as much evolved as USA and Europe, that's why we are complaining. It has nothing to do with being evolved. You're pretty much complaining about only being able to have half the pieces of white bread rather a whole loaf, whilst I'm sitting here only being able to eat the day-old crusts. Did I mention that it is f**cking cold up here? If I throw a glass of water outside, it instantly turns into snow. |
Onibokusu said: I'm already content with my own connection standards in my country, however it's hardly a "monopolization". Due to low speeds we've had to endure we have many, many ISPs all competing against one another. The reason Canada has such a low amount of ISPs is due to Canda having it so good and not requiring more ISPs to step up and offer their services. It's only coming off as a monopoly because it was so good. No offence, but you're not living in Canada, so I don't think you really have all the facts. The current "monopoly" isn't because "we had it so good that no one else bothered" is completely false. Bell has held the monopoly on our telecommunications here in [Quebec at least] since the beginning. I guarantee none of us were happy with them even back in the 80s and 90s, but we have no other options. It was only in recent years that competition had started coming over with the popularity of mobile services. However, Bell is trying to stifle the competition via the current Internet caps. Since Bell has expanded into mobile calling and satellite television over the years, services such as Netflix (which recently brought their online streaming services to Canada), VoIP such as Skype, etc. are in direct competition with their other services. And now that they have plans to release their own on-demand online streaming services, what do you want to bet they'll exempt the cap for that? It's completely anti-competitive and thus discourages innovation and healthy competition. But because the CRTC is filled with a bunch of ex-Bell employees with shares in Bell's stock, they have pretty much gotten away with it. It's not so much that we feel that we have the "right" to uncapped bandwidth (although when you have something for so long suddenly taken away from you for greedy reasons, one does tend to feel that it's unjustified), but more because it's a money grab and total bullshit. It costs them less than a penny to route 1GB of information. I don't understand your hostility towards our complaints. I admit you guys down under have it pretty shitty, but have you guys raised your voices about it? If you haven't, why not? You have just as much right to better internet as we or the Americans do. We're first world countries FFS. You say you're content with your current services, but at the same time I feel some resentment coming from your end. I sympathize, I really do. But just because your ISPs are screwing you over, doesn't mean we're going to bend over and take it as well. |
| The Harper government has decided to review the CRTC’s ruling and wlll decide by or before March 1 whether it will overturn the federal regulator’s decision which effectively kills unlimited Internet download plans. this is good news, maybe our "complains" have finally come throu *Source |
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| signed. We need to get this overturned. |
| Oh good thing I can benefit from the 60gb then. |
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| Daaaaaaaamn, good luck with the hard times, Canada. I thought my 250GB/month cap sucked. Stay strong o7 |
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| ^lol I don't mind a 250GB cap, but wtf can we do today with 60 GB, they think we only use internet for hotmail or waste time on MSN, I can do this crap in the library or on my phone ? We're no longer in the 90s-2000s period, when internet was slower than a turtle. |
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| ^no sorry you can't do shit, I'm not gonna adapt myself because 1) I'm paying a lot of money so I can use freely my internet, I'm expecting to have UNLIMITED internet 2) It's their problems and they should fix it, they shouldn't relie on their customers like leeches 3) They have very shitty customer service (It's not related, but it adds to our anger). Even if you download legally : think about people who download games with Steam; todays game are at least 12 GB. You just wasted 20% of your bandwith on a game you'll probably finish in 10 hours maximum. |
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| If that happens it won't las long trust me, consumer pressure will rise and more competition will come in offering unlimited. |
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SuperSaiyen said: ^no sorry you can't do shit, I'm not gonna adapt myself because 1) I'm paying a lot of money so I can use freely my internet, I'm expecting to have UNLIMITED internet 2) It's their problems and they should fix it, they shouldn't relie on their customers like leeches 3) They have very shitty customer service (It's not related, but it adds to our anger). Even if you download legally : think about people who download games with Steam; todays game are at least 12 GB. You just wasted 20% of your bandwith on a game you'll probably finish in 10 hours maximum. Truth. Sort of. I can see how unlimited Internet, while awesome as it is, might be unrealistic for ISPs to provide to everyone. However, if they do need to introduce a cap, they need to make it a realistic one. The proposed cap from what I hear is 25GB, not 60GB, and 25BG is hardly anything in this day and age - we can download games, stream on YouTube or elsewhere, etc., and files are getting larger. 25GB cap might have been ok five years ago, but not now. Also, yeah, Bell customer service sucks xD It is a well-known fact. My brother got screwed over by them once and he never went back. I once had difficulty connecting to the Internet with them and when I called their help line, I simply got an automated message that I should go onto their online chat for instant tech help. Idiocy. Anyway... The Australian situation does sound like it sucks but if there's a will there's a way. I'm not trying to be rude but honestly, saying it's "impossible" sounds like an excuse. If we, in Canada, can at least bring Internet to the middle of nowhere, I'm sure there's something that can be done in Australia (I have a friend currently living in an isolated community in northern Ontario and even he gets Internet; I'm not sure how good it is, but he actively keeps a blog and keeps in touch with friends on Facebook). It just sounds like Aussies are being ripped off, but you know what? So are Canadians, even if it's to a lesser extent. Mephablo said: My ISP, Eastlink, will not be using UBB for it's mid-tiered connections. It is available in a lot of regions, so if the CRTC decision doesn't get overturned, some of you may have some options. I'm just curious. Where did you hear about this? I'm with EastLink, too xD (though not by choice; it seems to be the only ISP here unless there are some smaller companies that I haven't heard about around, but I'm very happy with EastLlink, anyway) |
AeternaFeb 2, 2011 4:36 PM
JDarg said: If that happens it won't las long trust me, consumer pressure will rise and more competition will come in offering unlimited. Unfortunately, UBB is taking away competition. The ruling allows the company the provides the copper lines into peoples homes to charge their prices to any competitor. |
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| That's idiotic.... I would be over that limit (25 GB) in less than a week! It's just like me using Pandora: forty hours isn't enough :P If I was you, I'd gather a group of people and protest or take it to court, it'll cost a lot of money because justice isn't cheap, but, with a lot of people, you can afford it Anyway, the Internet should be completely free in the first place, that's how it was made! It SHOULD NOT be used as a means for greedy people to make millions! (Like Charter, their service sucks, and they cost us about 60 dollars American a month for only 6Mb/s) and yes, there is no competition around my neighborhood for other companies, Charter has the monopoly |
| na, Internet should not be free. Think of all the people who work just to make the internet network work. Just remove that damn limiter. |
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Onibokusu said: SuperSaiyen said: ^no sorry you can't do shit, I'm not gonna adapt myself because 1) I'm paying a lot of money so I can use freely my internet, I'm expecting to have UNLIMITED internet 2) It's their problems and they should fix it, they shouldn't relie on their customers like leeches 3) They have very shitty customer service (It's not related, but it adds to our anger). I'll believe you pay for your internet connection, sure...not. Why don't I believe you? Because internet prices in Canada aren't all that high. Actually... (And those Telus prices are only for the first three months. Afterwards, the price per month more than doubles.) |
BrooklynBearJew said: That's idiotic.... I would be over that limit (25 GB) in less than a week! It's just like me using Pandora: forty hours isn't enough :P If I was you, I'd gather a group of people and protest or take it to court, it'll cost a lot of money because justice isn't cheap, but, with a lot of people, you can afford it oh but we have, over 330,000 (including yours truly) have signed a petition to stop metered Internet use. The result? Stephen Harper(our PM) has ordered a review of the CRTC’s decision, we will know more by March 1st. fingers crossed |
suprhiroFeb 3, 2011 3:08 AM
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| Looks like it's being reversed! I hope the government sticks to their guns with this one. If it's true, yay for democracy! 8D |
| A 25 GB limit is far too little obviously. Hopefully the reversal is true. |
| how come Quebec gets 60 and Ontario 25, where is the logic ? |
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| Ohh man, that australian dude is gonna be pissed if it gets reversed ;) And if it doesn't, I'll download hundreds of gigs(All mostly lolcat pics) in your memory with my unlimited internet access! Can currently download a 7 megabyte file in one second, I can't imagin living with a 1.5mbps connection.. Well I can, but that was 10 years ago when I was 9... |
MrTallFeb 3, 2011 4:56 PM
Onibokusu said: you cant really compare prices with only a single ISP, heres a 2009 graph to better illustrate internet pricing worldwide. (warning - its a large picture) as you can see Canada's internet prices are about average (its even more then Australia at the time). low prices would be places like Japan( jealous!!), Korea, Finland etc. also reading your posts I can sense abit of Resentment, wouldnt be surprised if you were actually mad about this CRTC review |
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Onibokusu said: That graph is based upon the 'fastest technology' based in the area. As I have mentioned earlier, Australia is years behinds the game. We don't even have FiOS, so let me educate you a bit on how the ITIF ranking works: The reason our average price appears so low is exactly because we don't have any existing faster connection speeds. The average pricing and speed is based upon the fact that we most likely have a higher concerntration of people paying low prices for low connection speeds. Canada, however, has access to FiOS and other much faster connection methods. This raises the average cost for 1mbps up a fair amount as FiOS connections do cost more. 14% of users in Canada with high usage connections is far more than the 0-1% of users in Australia. The ITIF ranking is based upon the country's technology. It can hardly be used in this situation, as it isn't relevant. Also, you'd like me to be mad about the CRTC review because it would make you feel better. Not happening mate. I still have friends in Canada. Ummm how is the graph not relevant? you suggested that Canadian prices were quite LOW, i posted a counter-argument saying there weren't low but average on a even scale/ badhiro said: you cant really compare prices with only a single ISP, heres a 2009 graph to better illustrate internet pricing worldwide. I'm also backed by Aeterna's post, we both provided some evidence that says Canadian internet prices are not low, yet you post 1 link to telus and claim its pretty cheap.... my argument has nothing to do with internet speeds and technology, stop trying to twist my words. i have friends in Australia and Japan too. doesn't change the fact that im jealous of japan internet costs, and feel sorry for Australia videogames prices. |
suprhiroFeb 3, 2011 7:56 PM
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| I, too, don't see how you can say prices are low just by showing us a link to one ISP's website. Another issue with posting just one link to one ISP: depending on where you live, your choices can be rather limited to which ISP you have access to. For example, when I lived in one student house in Hamilton, it was pretty much a choice between Rogers and Bell. We had wanted Cogeco but a Cogeco rep told us that they didn't service our neighbourhood. I can't exactly remember why we chose effing Bell, but I know Rogers has its fair share of issues, too (my parents are with them). I don't know if it's similar in Australia, though. Fact of the matter is that the CRTC was about to allow ISPs to charge consumers more when, a year ago, it was found that Canadian Internet prices were already relatively expensive compared to other developed countries (As shown in the article I posted earlier). This article pretty much outlines how much providing Internet costs companies versus what they charge customers (I'm not that tech-savvy so no idea how true it is; I'm using it with caution). The whole thing is an easy money grab for the big telecom companies. And Canadians didn't like this decision and voice their concerns over it. I see no reason why you should essentially tell Canadians to stop complaining because they have it so good compared to Australia. We're unhappy with the decision and are doing something about it and it worked. Wouldn't you do the same? And truthfully, your post did sound rather resentful, even if you aren't. I get it - Australia's Internet sucks, you're getting ripped off, and that's very unfortunate. However, Canadians are getting ripped off, too, and were about to get ripped off even more...so we put a stop to it, at least for now. |
| actually the graph is based on combination of sources including OECD again stop taking things out of context, the ITIF ranking the "combination" of the pricing and technology speed to form the rank. but each is surveyed "independently".I only used the graph for pricing by it self (not the whole ITIF ranking)which is again weighed separately from the speed/tech making the graph a valid source. I don't see how the graphs pricing becomes void if its based on an average of 1mbps. if all the listed countries are providing 1mbps if it costs an average of 0.27$ us/month for 1mbps in Japan and it costs an average of 1-5.00$ us/month for 1mbps in Australia and its costs an average of 6.50$ us/month for 1mbps in Canada and it costs an average of 13.00$ us/month for 1mbps in Poland in the simplest way anyone can conclude that Canada's internet pricing is NOT low but about medium. making your argument a bust |
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| Damn straight they better revise that retarded bill. Although, I could just watch anime at school... :/ |
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Onibokusu said: No, sorry, but that's a no go. Canada's average price was conceived thanks to a combination of higher priced options as well as DSL. Australia only provides DSL. It's not a fair comparison. unfortunately for you my argument has already won even with that unfair comparison to one country (when im comparing Canada to the world) because you have yet provide any proof as to why your claim of "Canada's prices are considerably cheap" other then a link to a single ISP, till then i have to end this altercation with a big :D |
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MrTall said: Ohh man, that australian dude is gonna be pissed if it gets reversed ;) Why would I be? What are you, 5? :( , that was supposed to be tongue in cheek, damnit! Not blinky eye smiley.. And no, I am not five, I'm a mature 19 years old university student! (physics) Off to get those lolcat pics! |
MrTallFeb 4, 2011 1:24 AM
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