| lets face it each old generation will say an entertainment is becoming bad but is this because you have seen a lot already? i mean the saying there is no originality for a long time now is true right? tropes and genres are repetitive all through out anime history so if you think new anime is bad then its not for you anymore but for the new generation of fans? agree or disagree? arent grumpy old people will say they have seen it all? |
| Probably true in most cases, but certain aspects maybe become worse for real. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
| That is partially true, but it's also a matter of your taste. You're going to have some affinity for the stuff you grew up with. |
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Reply to deg
@Zarutaku are you thinking of censorship is worse today? that is a good point too
| @deg I've said it many times before that today's young kids are weak against the stuff from the 90's. Getting offended by everything everywhere at any possible time. |
| "You only realize the real value of something you discarded when you get the chance to pick it up again." - Rudeus Greyrat |
| if you think new anime is becoming bad then maybe you are an old veteran fan? Yea, a lot of the new anime is way too good with its animation and repetitive story, it is objective that back in the 90s and early 2000's anime was done in multiple different genres and had a little uniqueness to it. However, new anime now is just good animation and isekai, rinse and reapeat. |
| I am a Completionist. All Anime/Manga will be Watched/Read. All FILLERS will be enjoyed :) I WATCH & READ THE LOWEST SCORED/RATED/RANKED ANIMES/MANGA ON MAL (OR you can CALL THEM The WORST animes in the WORLD). Join my discord - https://discord.gg/EyMj6pcxQ9 Up and Coming ANIME SERVER (ANIME ADDICTS) :) |
| Idk. I'm only in mid-20s and just started anime right before the pandemic but still find old anime generally being better than new. Well you might wanna read my posts here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2190551&id=72077066 |
| Nope don't agree with that at all. I'm in a group with a bunch of older guys and the appreciation of new is probably stronger than for the old, because we've seen the old shows so much and got bored with them maybe; and a LOT more anime gets made in recent days. Like in 1988 you might be able to think of a few titles, but today we get 30 new titles PER SEASON. Most of my favorites are from this century not last and some are from the last 5 years. |
Reply to SuperAdventure
Nope don't agree with that at all. I'm in a group with a bunch of older guys and the appreciation of new is probably stronger than for the old, because we've seen the old shows so much and got bored with them maybe; and a LOT more anime gets made in recent days. Like in 1988 you might be able to think of a few titles, but today we get 30 new titles PER SEASON. Most of my favorites are from this century not last and some are from the last 5 years.
| @SuperAdventure agreed. I've been watching anime for over 30 years, and the majority of my favorites are less than 10 years old |
Reply to SuperAdventure
Nope don't agree with that at all. I'm in a group with a bunch of older guys and the appreciation of new is probably stronger than for the old, because we've seen the old shows so much and got bored with them maybe; and a LOT more anime gets made in recent days. Like in 1988 you might be able to think of a few titles, but today we get 30 new titles PER SEASON. Most of my favorites are from this century not last and some are from the last 5 years.
| @SuperAdventure i agree with this ...while i think older retro anime is great im always open to new modern anime as long as it aligns with my tastes and standards accessibility has changed... the way we consume anime has changed ...trends have changed, tech & tools to create anime has evolved.. etc etc... the thing is most modern anime has been tarnished with the mass production & abundance of slop isekai/romance & effeminate pussy teen beta-male main character garbage but one thing is for certain ...older golden age anime will always be superior |
ItachiDeltaForceYesterday, 7:22 PM
You do realize the West did more to censor Anime in the 80s and 90s than anything that gets censor these days. Most people who complain about shit like fog covering up a girls nipples in a shower scene is censorship when the fact is the studio never even produced that specific scene to have bare nipples shown at all in the 1st place because the Anime was purposely targeting teenage brats around the world as young as 13. Reminds me how the Western OVA release of the Guyver completely cut out a brief nudity scene in the very last episode all together specifically because this adult Anime was being mostly consumed by a bunch of Western kids and children in the 90s. The Guyver didn't even ever Officially air on any Western broadcasting TV. It was only available on VHS or Laserdisc at the time. I even remember Sailor moon broadcasting on TV where they removed all elements of Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune being blatant lesbians in the late 90s. Even in the early 2000s when Outlaw Star aired on Cartoon Network, 2 episodes were completely removed from the series in it's airing cycle because of explicit nudity. Even Cowboy Bebop was censored on Cartoon Networks Adult Swim which was a time slot not intended for young viewers at all. Where over 75% of the all profanity was scrubbed out and a short scene of a characters nipples in one episode was completely cut out completely. Also when Lupin The 3rd aired on Cartoon Networks adult Swim, the episode about Hitler was completely scrubbed from it's airing cycle deemed as not appropriate and insensitive for western consumption. Even Pokemon was censored for Western consumption where the infamous Bikini episode was eventually removed from the airing cycle and completely banned in North America from airing on any broadcasting TV. |
ColourWheelYesterday, 5:09 PM
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| @ColourWheel im not american so i do not know about american censorship much in the past and we watch much anime with vhs and dvds back in the late 1990s to early 2000s |
| Well I have been a long fan for 25 years, there are anime are good back in the day but there still new anime are good if I give credit to the pacing my only grip in the 80s and 90s are hundred episode unlike when I was a kid but as I grew old I want anime even it is 50 but I can't handle 100 anymore. |
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| @ColourWheel also im more thinking of censorship in japan like how the original ranma anime has nipples shown but now the remake has no nipples for example so the level of censorship even in japan is different from old and today |
| Well of course, that's something only old veteran fan would say albeit not all of them are like that because they have something to compare to. Newcomers don't say that, I've never heard newcomers said that.  |
 (っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
deg said: @ColourWheel also im more thinking of censorship in japan like how the original ranma anime has nipples shown but now the remake has no nipples for example so the level of censorship even in japan is different from old and today I don't really think of that as real censorship. The original Ranma series was never produced with over seas consumption in mind and produced for an audience of those in their late teens and young adults. The Modern 're-make' is strictly being produced to try to appeal to a broad world wide audience of consumers as young as 13 year old teenage brats. Hence not even bothering to produce scenes of explicit nudity. When an Anime is being released in real time dubbed in over a dozen different languages and subbed in almost over 20 different languages it's no longer something that is strictly being produced for the Japanese domestic market alone or even in mind. If fans are really hung up over not seeing the tiny nipples which were featured in the original release from the 80s, then don't bother with the stupid 'remake' and go hunt down a quality copy of the Original 80s Anime on physical discs or something to enjoy like I would. But not specifically because I just want to see animated nipples. I usually just prefer Anime released before the turn of the century over any type of shitty modern remake. So for the most part, I will just ignore a large majority of modern Anime remakes. I look at censorship in more obvious ways like completely removing scenes post-production, or even producing new scenes to replace original scenes like they did with a version of "Demon Slayer" removing the Japanese Rising Sun from one of the characters ear rings or replacing a scene completely where a girl has a brief 'upskirt' scene partly exposing her panties and instead they completely remade the scene for the Chinese audience with the girl wearing shorts under her skirt instead like with what happened in "The World's Finest Assassin Gets Reincarnated in Another World as an Aristocrat", cutting out complete episodes for consumption, or even completely blurring out a girls body from the waist down because part of her panties are exposed in some scene when it's not being blurred out for other audiences in another region (talking about you South Korea!!!). lol Usually scenes that do get censored in Anime for Western consumption that were originally produced to show something like nudity are eventually released in the west uncensored like when an Anime finally gets an official physical release issued. |
ColourWheelYesterday, 7:04 PM
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| It's not about originality, but about passion and care. Lodoss-tou Senki is a bit of your standard DnD campaign / fantasy adventure, but it was made with so much care and is so much fun to watch. Then there are a dozen of new series that have really shallow art and you can feel zero passion behind it. Btw not all new anime are bad. Just because I don't like most, doesn't mean I don't like anything. |
| been watching anime since I sleep in a craddle and we are still getting good anime |
| :v |
Reply to Rinrinka
Well of course, that's something only old veteran fan would say albeit not all of them are like that because they have something to compare to.
Newcomers don't say that, I've never heard newcomers said that.
Newcomers don't say that, I've never heard newcomers said that.
| @Rinrinka exactly most newcomers will not say they have seen it all unlike veterans |
LittleOwlbear said: that is mostly my point that you hate most new anime as a veteran tw not all new anime are bad. Just because I don't like most, doesn't mean I don't like anything. |
Reply to Confetti112
@deg No it’s not bro have you seen 4 kids, little bro? 😭😭😭
| @Confetti112 im not american so cannot say although i heard stories like i said im mainly thinking of japan censorship like the original ranma in japanese tv has nipples but the modern japanese remake has no nipples now airing on japanese tv |
| there will never be an isekai as good as dunbine so my answer will never change. Give me something better than it and I will change my stance. And no, don't say that anime with the guy with infinite mana and harem, that shin is not better than dunbine. |
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| I've been watching anime for 23 years now and while there's a lot of excellent old stuff there's s also a fuck of a lot of top class new shows. Examples-Frieren, Violet Evergarden, too many to mention! |
| Life Is Short But Intense. |
| It’s a tale as old as time. Each generation gets nostalgic about the good ol’ days, and swears that today’s entertainment just can’t compare. But honestly, isn’t that just part of being a “veteran” fan? You’ve seen so much, every trope, every genre twist, every plot device—it can start to feel like you’ve seen it all. I've probably seen it all as I'm a vet among the veterans |
| That's what I feel about myself, I think that I've seen the full gamut of almost everything anime has to offer and then a new series or movie comes along and totally surprises me. |
| Life Is Short But Intense. |
| "if you think new anime is becoming bad..." ...that's because a lot of productions nowadays are absurdly rushed and because some trends are oversaturated with cheap knock-off of the titles which established said trends. It's not that this didn't happened in the past, but not on such scale. Like for example a good show from this year is Dungeon Meshi - which manga went for 10 years and the work on the first season went for 3 years. My point is, those things need time. |
alshu12 hours ago
| Its not that anime is becoming bad per say. Its the fact that there are too many shows that copy and paste the same generic narrative without adding any details to make it different. Take for example Re:Zero and SAO Season 1. Both are isekai anime which have similar themes. The difference is that the creators of both titles decided to add unique details to make each piece of media stand out. Re:Zero is categorized by its memorable characters and soundtrack whereas SAO is considered to be a title that defines the isekai genre. Because SAO is so famous and well known, its considered to be a title that made the isekai genre famous in the first place. Both titles have a lot of original ideas and arent just copy paste media like a lot of the shows today. Personally even though here is an occasional good anime show that releases every now and then, I can safely say that the golden decade of anime during the 2010s has long passed. I find myself going back and rewatching those shows sometimes because they were so good especially shows released between 2011-2014. So yes in conclusion I agree with your statement. |
Reply to deg
LittleOwlbear said:
tw not all new anime are bad. Just because I don't like most, doesn't mean I don't like anything.
that is mostly my point that you hate most new anime as a veteran tw not all new anime are bad. Just because I don't like most, doesn't mean I don't like anything.
| @deg Not really, because me being a "veteran" isn't the reason for disliking most new anime. I'd dislike these stories as books, live action or western animation too. |
Reply to RainyEvenings
It’s a tale as old as time. Each generation gets nostalgic about the good ol’ days, and swears that today’s entertainment just can’t compare. But honestly, isn’t that just part of being a “veteran” fan? You’ve seen so much, every trope, every genre twist, every plot device—it can start to feel like you’ve seen it all. I've probably seen it all as I'm a vet among the veterans
| @RainyEvenings kind of ..but there was a golden era 80s, 90s up to the early 2000s that op has missed the boat on completely different creative mind-set/philosophy not to mention there was just an abundance of writing & creative talent back then |
ItachiDeltaForce2 hours ago
Reply to alshu
"if you think new anime is becoming bad..."
...that's because a lot of productions nowadays are absurdly rushed and because some trends are oversaturated with cheap knock-off of the titles which established said trends. It's not that this didn't happened in the past, but not on such scale.
Like for example a good show from this year is Dungeon Meshi - which manga went for 10 years and the work on the first season went for 3 years.
My point is, those things need time.
...that's because a lot of productions nowadays are absurdly rushed and because some trends are oversaturated with cheap knock-off of the titles which established said trends. It's not that this didn't happened in the past, but not on such scale.
Like for example a good show from this year is Dungeon Meshi - which manga went for 10 years and the work on the first season went for 3 years.
My point is, those things need time.
| @alshu ahhh now see dungeon meshi!! ...i really frikkin liked that show dude & i consider that modern anime, but i had a great time with that series & rated it highly |
| Not necessarily. Not every crap anime can be blamed on grumpy veteran fans complaining about tropes. |
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