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Mar 31, 2017 8:21 PM

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Yaoi + Incest = Hell
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Jun 9, 2017 5:58 AM

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Oni-chan you were creepy as fuck
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Jan 7, 2018 5:36 AM

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I'm totally against incest but that bitch deserved hell more than he ever did.
Jun 15, 2019 5:48 AM

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darkerealm said:
Sis: Since when did you start liking me?
Bro: Perhaps.. since before we were born..

okay bro get it together, that's a little extreme. and corny.


ikr 😂😂😂

it shows he lost hes marbles
Jun 15, 2019 5:59 AM

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TogameCheerio said:
I'm totally against incest but that bitch deserved hell more than he ever did.


i support love (also not our place to judge), sis should have just went for it (if she felt same way) and not try to resist if their feelings were that strong, its not healthy to deny ur feelings, it can be worse then the alt (as was just shown), but ofc religious ppl around wouln't accsept it cause they believe in their fantacy book

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Jan 21, 2021 5:35 AM
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Pretty much everybody here said that the brother didn't deserve to go to hell, and I agree, but I understand the logic that made him be sent to hell – and I hate it.

Hear me out:

So, there was the incestuous thing, but it didn't seem to be so much of a problem, because the Shoujo's assistants weren't very shocked about it. Ren and Wanyuudou had more to say about the guy's behaviors (cross-dressing and "corrupting" other men), and there's a scene where the two are talking in a restaurant and Wanyuudou says that "some lines should not be crossed" – and he was not referring to the incestuous thing, because before this he and Ren were discussing the gender and sexual nonconforming behaviors of the brother.

Then, there's the end of the case: after confessing his feelings to his sister and trying to assault her, the brother goes out dressed as a woman, feels very guilty for what he did and then expresses the desire of BEING a woman, because as a man he could hurt his sister. After that, a stranger calls him/her to have some fun, which the brother accepts, and Ren and Wanyuudou appears. The brother (who was dressed as a woman, let me remind you), is stripped naked and Ren says something about being jealous of him being such a beautiful MAN.

After that the guy is sent to hell.

The reason why the brother was "punished" was this: he did not conform to the gender and sexual norms, he "crossed lines" that should not be crossed – especially in very traditional/conservative societies. It was extremely uncomfortable to watch this because of the message behind, and because there were a lot of lines that expressed that there was something "evil", "monstruous", "wicked" in this case.

So, yes, very transphobic/homophobic. I hated it.
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Jan 29, 2021 11:33 AM

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Weird episode, I have to say. You sent your brother to hell because you couldn't take it anymore and now you're cying. That's not how life works. You can't love and hate a person at the same time. That's just hate.
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Jun 17, 2021 10:07 PM
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This is so stupid. Lol.


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Sep 5, 2022 8:19 AM

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So, they loved each other, and she condemned him to hell, since they would otherwise eventually break a taboo.

I feel like this episode is about confining to social norm. This is both displayed by its gender and incest themes, both of which were not acceptable at the time.

Which is why she could not accept him in this kind of world, although she wished to do so. And explains why she seemed happy to eventually see him again in hell. As those norms did not matter there.

Other users have pointed out that she could have left. But she did truly want to leave him, since she wanted to be with him as well. In her twisted mind, the only option left would be for him to disappear.
Tragically, he was unaware that she shared his feelings. He was accepting his punishment since he wanted to protect her. But was also relaxed because he did not have to compose himself anymore.

At least that's how I interpreted the ordeal. Otherwise, the plot would make little sense ad her reasons for sending him to hell would be petty.
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Nov 12, 2022 4:31 PM
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another messed up episode around here

Apr 2, 2023 4:21 PM

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Wow...just wow. An incestuous wannabe brother who cross-dresses as a woman to pleasure his sister's boyfriends, in hopes of getting laid with his sister. You know, I'm thinking what the reactions to this episode would've been had it aired today?
I'm also surprised that the people on this thread thought that "She loved him and only pulled the threat to avoid breaking a taboo."; no of course she didn't. She pushed him without any hesitation. She loved him as her brother, and of course you're gonna feel guilty and miss your incestuous brother after sending him to hell.

Anyways, we still don't know what deal the grandmother made with Hajime. Considering that he and his daughter are included on the characters' list, I'm guessing we'll find out in this season.
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Apr 6, 2023 9:20 AM

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Fatephile said:
Wow...just wow. An incestuous wannabe brother who cross-dresses as a woman to pleasure his sister's boyfriends, in hopes of getting laid with his sister. You know, I'm thinking what the reactions to this episode would've been had it aired today?
I'm also surprised that the people on this thread thought that "She loved him and only pulled the threat to avoid breaking a taboo."; no of course she didn't. She pushed him without any hesitation. She loved him as her brother, and of course you're gonna feel guilty and miss your incestuous brother after sending him to hell.
i agree she loved him as a sibling 

i think the brothers coal was that she would get so disappointed with other guys that it would make her run in to hes arms, that type of deluded view 

pretty messed up story 

the comment reminded me this1
Oct 16, 2023 2:51 PM
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The most absurd thing about this episode was that somehow every guy in the school was secretly gay.
Oct 25, 2023 8:08 AM

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Didn't love the vaguely homophobic/transphobic undertones of some of the dialogue, but I'm not convinced there were truly malicious intents from the writers. Even despite his actions towards his sister, the brother is not shown as repulsive/creepy. So I'm conflicted. It might just be a clumsy choice of words.

The ending felt unnecessarily sad regardless, even the sister seems to immediately regret her choice. Maybe it's just me, but the way the sister is looking forward to seeing him again makes me think the feelings might have been requited. Like a previous user said, norms won't matter in Hell. I think she loved him back, but things were just too complicated and shocking for her at this point in time.

Overall I didn't expect so many twists though, it's always a great point when an ep manages to surprise the audience and not feel predictable (unlike many season 1 episodes...) The incest was easy to guess from the start, but I was so surprised they added the whole gender identity layer on top. I'm super conflicted, but I can at least say this was not a boring episode at all! Kudos for that.

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The brother was fully in the wrong in this episode, and the reason why has nothing to do with incest or crossdressing. If you want to express your love for someone, you be honest and tell them your feelings, and whether the person accepts them or not, it's their choice to make. If you love someone, you don't sabotage every single relationship they get into by lying to them and tricking everyone they ever date. That shows that the brother did not care about his sister's feelings or happiness. He viewed her as an object to be owned. And this is physically shown when the brother literally forces himself onto his sister. This is not love and is never acceptable behavior.

Did he deserve to go to hell? Well in my opinion no one deserves to go to hell (yes, I mean no one) so this aspect doesn't affect my opinion of individual episodes.

HEYYY WANYUUDOU DON'T- AYYYYY STOP!!! YOU ARE COOL DON'T BE GNCPHOBIC NOW
Oct 31, 10:57 PM
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He didn't deserve to die. Move out is an option. Just don't tell him where u r going and then run away. But sending him to hell?
Nov 8, 3:19 PM
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my toyota was hachirocking all over the place nggghhhh
Dec 15, 1:15 PM
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I absolutely got brain washed at the end, i tought i watched the whole episode for it only to be vice-versa. Best plot twist ever
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