What's the cruelest thing you've seen happen to a female character?

@DigiCat Why are you assuming Reze doesn't have equal psychological trauma from her upbringing as Denji? The answer is that Fujimoto doesn't give us insight into Reza's trauma but he does give us insight into Denji's. Also yes I do think being actively tortured, like physically tortured by people who actively seek to harm you, is worse than growing up in poverty, even as horrible as poverty is.

We're talking about the cruelty that the author has towards the characters here. Lelouch sacrifices himself of his own free will to protect Nunnally. He is not maimed or sexually assaulted.

I disagree that Reze and Denji had equally horrific childhoods. And yes dying at 16 is worse than not dying at 16.

The psychological effects thing is more bullshit that these show-writers use to justify themselves. They can pile all sorts of horrible things on women and pretend that none of that has any psychological impact on them, but give all the weight in the world to the psychological trauma that the men have from their suffering. "Yeah Tetsuo's girlfriend got crushed to death by her own boyfriend, but Tetsuo was made insecure by his friend having a cooler bike than him! So really who's to say who had it worse..."

So do anime dwell upon the suffering of males, or do they not? You said before they never experience the trauma females do, and now you're saying they're so weak they can't handle the thought of their friends having better bikes?

@Sheol01 Of course, Kite comes in a close 2nd, imagine being repeatedly molested by the killer of your parents, all the while knowing it WAS him. And being trained to kill innocent people. That movie is the definition of Fu**ed Up.

@DigiCat Why are you assuming Reze doesn't have equal psychological trauma from her upbringing as Denji? The answer is that Fujimoto doesn't give us insight into Reza's trauma but he does give us insight into Denji's. Also yes I do think being actively tortured, like physically tortured by people who actively seek to harm you, is worse than growing up in poverty, even as horrible as poverty is.

We're talking about the cruelty that the author has towards the characters here. Lelouch sacrifices himself of his own free will to protect Nunnally. He is not maimed or sexually assaulted.

I disagree that Reze and Denji had equally horrific childhoods. And yes dying at 16 is worse than not dying at 16.

The psychological effects thing is more bullshit that these show-writers use to justify themselves. They can pile all sorts of horrible things on women and pretend that none of that has any psychological impact on them, but give all the weight in the world to the psychological trauma that the men have from their suffering. "Yeah Tetsuo's girlfriend got crushed to death by her own boyfriend, but Tetsuo was made insecure by his friend having a cooler bike than him! So really who's to say who had it worse..."

So you interpreted "when both [Reze and Denji] have had just as horrific childhoods" as Reze doesn't have equal psychological trauma as Denji? I guess or that or you are projecting your own attitude of minimizing Denji's trauma over Reze's (based on your OG statement "And as far as Chainsaw Man goes Reze was tortured her entire childhood and then died at 16 so yes I think she has it worse than Denji")


And i also guess no surprise you interpret Denji's situation as simple "growing up in poverty"


Wait lemme get this straight... in one breath, you say the psychological effects is bullshit to justify i assume the "horrible things piled on women", then you say they don't even show said psychological effects, and to top it all off only men are shown to suffer psychological trauma... May i also remind you that one of your OG examples was Berserk, in which Casca, a woman, is shown to have the most severe psychological impact out of the main 3?

I don't know where you got that idea, but i can 100% say it is very false

To put things simply, there are good writers and there are bad writers

A good writer can convey a character's trauma, be it explored in depth or using subtlety

A bad writer writes misery porn

And there is no miracle potion that makes one magically able to write male characters well but not female (or vice versa for that matter)


I think i'll add this to the it's absolute 🐂💩 too ^^

So you interpreted "when both [Reze and Denji] have had just as horrific childhoods" as Reze doesn't have equal psychological trauma as Denji? I guess or that or you are projecting your own attitude of minimizing Denji's trauma over Reze's (based on your OG statement "And as far as Chainsaw Man goes Reze was tortured her entire childhood and then died at 16 so yes I think she has it worse than Denji")


And i also guess no surprise you interpret Denji's situation as simple "growing up in poverty"


Wait lemme get this straight... in one breath, you say the psychological effects is bullshit to justify i assume the "horrible things piled on women", then you say they don't even show said psychological effects, and to top it all off only men are shown to suffer psychological trauma... May i also remind you that one of your OG examples was Berserk, in which Casca, a woman, is shown to have the most severe psychological impact out of the main 3?

I don't know where you got that idea, but i can 100% say it is very false

To put things simply, there are good writers and there are bad writers

A good writer can convey a character's trauma, be it explored in depth or using subtlety

A bad writer writes misery porn

And there is no miracle potion that makes one magically able to write male characters well but not female (or vice versa for that matter)


I think i'll add this to the it's absolute 🐂💩 too ^^