Sousou no Frieren Episode 12 Discussion

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Apr 13, 4:03 AM

#351

Garrett_Dark

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Awesome episode as usual, truly, but I want to talk about something else...

Regarding Fern, and Fern x Stark ship...every time Fern distrusts Stark or thinks ill of him without good reason (which is most of the time, ever since they met), I despise her a little more. Lots of commenters say it's because she likes him, they're going to end up in a ship...yeah I get that, that seems to be the trope-y thing that'll happen. However I think they're terrible for each other.

Stark keeps asking her if she's mad at him (because she is), and he even starts apologizing when not even knowing what he did wrong (he did nothing wrong). That is NOT a good basis for a ship. Furthermore Fern's distrust of Stark is antagonistic to the fundamental theme of his character. Stark's theme is nearly everybody thinks ill or little of him, which is detrimental to his character. Even he himself thinks he's much weaker than he actually is. He think Eisen hit him out of anger, while it was actually out of fear. He thinks Eisen doesn't think he's worthy because Eisen has never praised him, but Eisen believes Stark's stronger than himself even. I could go on and on with the examples. The difference between all these examples with Fern's mistreatment of Stark is the examples all have an element of an innocent misunderstanding, but Fern's disdain for Stark in the moment are always real. There's no innocent misunderstanding, she really thinks he's a pervert or some other non-sense, and it always is non-sense, unfair, or wrong. Fern is no different than the people who actually had ill-will against Stark, like his father who deemed Stark worthless. That's why Fern's not a good ship with Stark on the fundamental theme level. She never had faith in him in the first place, and even if she changes to respect him later, it won't change that fact. The Stark's theme isn't about convincing others their judgement on him was wrong, his theme's goal is about perseverance despite the obstacles, seeing himself as worthy, and knowing there were people who believed in him from the start (Eisen, his brother, Frieren, etc. but definitely not Fern). Once Stark attains his thematic goal, he should be no longer asking what he did wrong, nor apologizing to Fern because Fern with her distrust and ill-will was an obstacle to Stark's self-worth. Think about that, Fern has always been consistently attacking Stark's self-worth most of the time with all these distrust or "you pervert" moments. She did have moments where she'd second guess, but she hasn't stopped yet, have she?

Apr 14, 11:50 AM

#352

Arxanum

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anime is great in every way

Apr 19, 12:25 AM

#353

TheVistrian

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He fails to communicate nothing with gestures. This time they gave him a break and decided to call him fake instead of corrupt. Proof? At this point in the story it has already been winter for six months and they are in the middle of a raging blizzard. it seems they might have been so obsessed with having lots of time pass that they forgot to make time pass. Allegedly she smells nice not sure how it exactly. She is the pervert at this point. He pulled The heroes sword. Monsters have instincts to destroy items that might endanger them. He did not pull the hero sword. You aren’t a fake hero if you are the hero of the whole world. She is grateful as hell. A concept that has not yet been confirmed whether or not it exists. Birthday Dong. According to her, he has never ran away from a fight. Are we supposed to believe this? He does not consider food to be a gift. 2

Apr 20, 11:40 AM

#354

S2P_cinephile

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Apr 2022

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Stark, my man ... you're a warrior :)

Apr 22, 6:30 PM

#355

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Men always wrong :)

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May 6, 11:34 PM

#356

Lollipop975

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stark is so based fr

May 8, 5:31 PM

#357

nanajp

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Nov 2023

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Happy birthday to Stark! He had a really good brother bruh!!! RIP

May 8, 6:34 PM

#358

Anak_meong_zero

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An anime that deserves the highest rating

May 9, 11:23 AM

#359

Gator

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What's with Fern calling him a perv that much this episode? I guess he wasn't allowed to carry Frieren because Fern would get jealous. We also got some Stark backstory, the flashbacks are always well placed in the show.

May 11, 10:19 PM

#360

bubba460z

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An interesting villlage so far up north. I wonder how they have survived so long, i suspect it must be very tough though they were quite kind and i find it very funny how the chief is a little girl. The tale of Himmel being the one to pull out the hero sword honestly made me very happy but learning that he didnt actually pull out the sword made me kind of sad, but him still being postive about being the one to slay the demon king made me happy, hes a true hero in my eyes.

The fight against those wolf monster things was nice and Stark was putting in work with his axe spinning around and slicing and dicing. That lord of the mountain was quite cool and the fight against it was nice.

Starks 18 birthday Frieren reminding Fern was quite nice and Frieren saying she already had present was kind of her and it being a potion that dissolves clothes was quite funny, Fern pouring it on Frieren was funny and Fern being thoughtful about what to get him was nice of her. Stark helping out all those people in the village was quite kind of him and then Fern finding him pointing out clouds that looked like poop or boobs was funny.

Starks backstory was sad and seeing him being called the failure of his family made me sad but it was nice of his brother to look out for him and train him and cook him that meal for his birthday just like Eisen and Frieren.

May 13, 2:16 PM

#361

Jonsitoa

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Ok episode tbh it was m just ok

May 21, 2:36 AM

#362

Pop_Smoke_MPR

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Mar 2021

Fern is annoying as hell.

May 21, 12:06 PM

#363

ourlinkin

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Aug 2021

very enjoyable episode

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