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May 24, 2023 10:25 AM

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inim said:
RobertBobert said:
Whatever you say, non-commissioned officer! I will no longer criticize the Great Reich and its Fuhrer! Just don't send me to a concentration camp, okay?
If you want to be send to a concentration camp, just go out and call for an end of the imperial war of agression against Ukraine. A friendly FSB officer will take care of your transport.
No, I love the classics and the old school. I am half Russian, half Jewish and live in Eastern Europe. An ideal target for real Aryans! Don't send me to a concentration camp, Mr. non-commissioned officer, please!
May 25, 2023 7:22 AM
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RobertBobert said:
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This reeks of ignorance about how steam fundamentally works.

Other than the fact that your saved data and games are probably safer with Steam cloud than your old devices going up in smoke after 20+ years (my PS2 is almost dead), steam games can all be played offline once downloaded.
My post was about Steam taking your game, not about what the Internet owes it to. Please, before talking about fundamental ignorance, read the comment more carefully.

MalchikRepaid said:
More like the recent G7 Summit in Hiroshima. Way too many things are censored in the Western news, but the whole overall of what the leaders discussed is detailed in China's state websites, not in G7's official website.
I don't remember what movie or book it was in, but I remember the phrase that if people all over the world knew what was going on at the government level, they would start an international revolution.


Bro. fake news much, unless you had first hand experience.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/retire_app#:~:text=The%20Steam%20Community%20remains%20visible,from%20listings%20in%20the%20store.


Q. What happens to a retired game for the players of that game?
A: Retired games will remain in players' Steam libraries. Those players will continue to be able to download, install, and launch the game. The Steam Community remains visible and accessible for players to post and share in. The store page for the game remains accessible, but is removed from listings in the store.

I have literally never heard a person complaining about their game being 'lost' on steam, GOG or whichever reputable online platform. Maybe Epic or Ubisoft, they are dicks. And personally, I've been using Steam since the first CounterStrike and never had an issue with Steam. If anything Steam solved most accessibility problems for me and people didn't need to risk downloading malware by accident from pirate bay etc.
XiaXueYiMay 25, 2023 7:26 AM
May 25, 2023 9:44 AM

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XiaXueYi said:
RobertBobert said:
My post was about Steam taking your game, not about what the Internet owes it to. Please, before talking about fundamental ignorance, read the comment more carefully.

I don't remember what movie or book it was in, but I remember the phrase that if people all over the world knew what was going on at the government level, they would start an international revolution.


Bro. fake news much, unless you had first hand experience.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/retire_app#:~:text=The%20Steam%20Community%20remains%20visible,from%20listings%20in%20the%20store.


Q. What happens to a retired game for the players of that game?
A: Retired games will remain in players' Steam libraries. Those players will continue to be able to download, install, and launch the game. The Steam Community remains visible and accessible for players to post and share in. The store page for the game remains accessible, but is removed from listings in the store.

I have literally never heard a person complaining about their game being 'lost' on steam, GOG or whichever reputable online platform. Maybe Epic or Ubisoft, they are dicks. And personally, I've been using Steam since the first CounterStrike  and never had an issue with Steam. If anything Steam solved most accessibility problems for me and people didn't need to risk downloading malware by accident from pirate bay etc.
People in Russia literally lost Cyberpunk from the library after the Poles supported the sanctions.
May 25, 2023 12:03 PM

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Terrible, god-awful, even. Just free, constant revenue for big companies. This is one of the reasons why I despise Nintendo's Switch Online. It's a vastly inferior version of its predecessors (Wii Shop and E-Shop), since instead of being able to buy games, actually own them, play them offline and have a giant library of games to choose from, you have to pay a monthly subscription for a small handful of games to play, you need internet to even play them, and you lose access to them when you stop paying.

I hate this trend with a passion. I want the straightforward, buy and done deal back. Fuck this subscription-based shit.
May 25, 2023 12:46 PM

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RobertBobert said:
XiaXueYi said:
I have literally never heard a person complaining about their game being 'lost' on steam, GOG or whichever reputable online platform. [...]
People in Russia literally lost Cyberpunk from the library after the Poles supported the sanctions.
Good to hear the sanctions work, and Russian people are reminded that their war criminal in chief has killed and crippled hundred-thousands. To get back your beloved games, just topple the regime. Easy peasy.

May 25, 2023 1:25 PM

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inim said:
RobertBobert said:
People in Russia literally lost Cyberpunk from the library after the Poles supported the sanctions.
Good to hear the sanctions work, and Russian people are reminded that their war criminal in chief has killed and crippled hundred-thousands. To get back your beloved games, just topple the regime. Easy peasy.
And then you will not send me to a concentration camp, mister non-commissioned officer? I promise that I will never again doubt that the Fourth Reich and the Fuhrer is the best government on earth, which is chosen by Odin as the master race for us Untermensch from Eastern Europe!
May 25, 2023 11:47 PM
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RobertBobert said:
XiaXueYi said:


Bro. fake news much, unless you had first hand experience.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/retire_app#:~:text=The%20Steam%20Community%20remains%20visible,from%20listings%20in%20the%20store.


Q. What happens to a retired game for the players of that game?
A: Retired games will remain in players' Steam libraries. Those players will continue to be able to download, install, and launch the game. The Steam Community remains visible and accessible for players to post and share in. The store page for the game remains accessible, but is removed from listings in the store.

I have literally never heard a person complaining about their game being 'lost' on steam, GOG or whichever reputable online platform. Maybe Epic or Ubisoft, they are dicks. And personally, I've been using Steam since the first CounterStrike  and never had an issue with Steam. If anything Steam solved most accessibility problems for me and people didn't need to risk downloading malware by accident from pirate bay etc.
People in Russia literally lost Cyberpunk from the library after the Poles supported the sanctions.
Bro, your logical processes is starting to be a cause of concern. Isn't that more of a Russia/country problem and not a "digital platform" problem to begin with since they and China are known to highly dystopian in terms of population management.

That's like saying Indonesian blanket ban on online games is Steam's fault as well.
May 25, 2023 11:49 PM

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XiaXueYi said:
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People in Russia literally lost Cyberpunk from the library after the Poles supported the sanctions.
Bro, your logical processes is starting to be a cause of concern. Isn't that more of a Russia problem to begin with since they and China are known to highly dystopian in terms of population management.
So, the fact that the official Steam literally took the game they bought from the Russians, because the Poles banned the distribution of their game in Russia, is the Russians themselves to blame? And you literally insult me when I give the example that you so emotionally asked for? Bro, your logical processes is starting to be a cause of concern!
May 25, 2023 11:49 PM
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TheAngryNerd said:
Terrible, god-awful, even. Just free, constant revenue for big companies. This is one of the reasons why I despise Nintendo's Switch Online. It's a vastly inferior version of its predecessors (Wii Shop and E-Shop), since instead of being able to buy games, actually own them, play them offline and have a giant library of games to choose from, you have to pay a monthly subscription for a small handful of games to play, you need internet to even play them, and you lose access to them when you stop paying.

I hate this trend with a passion. I want the straightforward, buy and done deal back. Fuck this subscription-based shit.
Your problem seems to lie with subscription based shit and not digital gaming platforms as a whole. We already know Nintendo is full of shit with regards to this.
May 25, 2023 11:52 PM
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RobertBobert said:
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Bro, your logical processes is starting to be a cause of concern. Isn't that more of a Russia problem to begin with since they and China are known to highly dystopian in terms of population management.
So, the fact that the official Steam literally took the game they bought from the Russians, because the Poles banned the distribution of their game in Russia, is the Russians themselves to blame? And you literally insult me when I give the example that you so emotionally asked for? Bro, your logical processes is starting to be a cause of concern!
Because I was expecting a legitimate problem with digital platforms and the cause of concern regarding "games lost after purchase" but you end up going in tangents and went as far off tangent as bringing in geopolitical issues, so I don't really have anything else to reply with other than "sumimasen wtf?"

i. e. cause of problem is attributed to the wrong cause but painted as a problem when in fact it is not. If Steam wrongfully removed games then the concern is legitimate, but in this case and any related case, only a dumb service provider would not comply with a takedown notice from a COUNTRY (except in any case where they have right of way/law)
May 25, 2023 11:55 PM

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XiaXueYi said:
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So, the fact that the official Steam literally took the game they bought from the Russians, because the Poles banned the distribution of their game in Russia, is the Russians themselves to blame? And you literally insult me when I give the example that you so emotionally asked for? Bro, your logical processes is starting to be a cause of concern!
Because I was expecting a legitimate problem with digital platforms and the cause of concern regarding "games lost after purchase" but you end up going in tangents and went as far off tangent as bringing in geopolitical issues, so I don't really have anything else to reply with other than "sumimasen wtf?"
Oh, what a fun attempt at pushing the gate back. So you're literally trying to use politics as an excuse to hide under the carpet the very fact that steam can take away an ALREADY PURCHASED GAME from you after the developer decides to ban it from sale in your country? Dude, get the shit out of your mouth, no political body told them what to do, the Poles literally took advantage of the toolkit that was possible within Steam itself.
May 26, 2023 6:05 AM

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RobertBobert said:
So, the fact that the official Steam literally took the game they bought from the Russians, because the Poles banned the distribution of their game in Russia, is the Russians themselves to blame?
Valve is a US American company, and thus subject to that legal framework and export regime. Unlike other large US companies offering networked services, e.g. Amazon and Netflix, they did not pull the plug for all of Russia. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_that_applied_sanctions_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

If I get it correctly, now a Polish IPR owner pulled an individual title, for which Valve is just the distributor. I applaud the Polish company and boo Valve for not helping to excercise more pressure on a murderous regime. About time the US sanctions are hardened so Valve no longer is able to legally circumvent them. Of course governments must be able to override businesses in cases where international law is broken and people are murdered. As a German, I speak from my grandfather's experience here, so to say.

May 26, 2023 6:28 AM

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inim said:
RobertBobert said:
So, the fact that the official Steam literally took the game they bought from the Russians, because the Poles banned the distribution of their game in Russia, is the Russians themselves to blame?
Valve is a US American company, and thus subject to that legal framework and export regime. Unlike other large US companies offering networked services, e.g. Amazon and Netflix, they did not pull the plug for all of Russia. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_that_applied_sanctions_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

If I get it correctly, now a Polish IPR owner pulled an individual title, for which Valve is just the distributor. I applaud the Polish company and boo Valve for not helping to excercise more pressure on a murderous regime. About time the US sanctions are hardened so Valve no longer is able to legally circumvent them. Of course governments must be able to override businesses in cases where international law is broken and people are murdered. As a German, I speak from my grandfather's experience here, so to say.
Yeah. The Poles are again subject to the German government, the good old days! It's like I'm back in 1939 again.
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