| Thunderbolt Fantasy is puppetry and is therefore not animation. |
Lexicuetron said: That's great. Rotoscoping and CGI aren't drawings. Thunderbolt Fantasy should be on MAL. Animation =/= just drawing. CGI and Rotoscoping are 3D animations that are made through successive frames. Thunderbolt Fantasy is live puppetry that's filmed. |
Lexicuetron said: Thunderbolt Fantasy has everything anime loves, like swords, explosions, an asian psuedo-historical supernatural plot, and a lack of human actors. Cool. Can we add Avatar too? /s Anime = Japanese animation. |
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| gotta love it when people 'disagree' with factual distinctions. Sorry to say it, but your opinions don't change facts. Animation is animation and live-filming is live-filming. End of story. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Lexicuetron said: The site says I need 5 letters in my post. Pullman said: StephenCovey said: Most of us don't listen with the intent to understand, they listen with the intent to reply Lexicuetron said: I believe I already understand your points. We can skip the re-explanation and go along our merry way. Anything more would become a flame war, and this doesn't look like reddit. It's still not something that can be disagreed upon. You can either accept the facts that live filmed footage is not animation, or be in denial and pretend it's just a matter of subjective disagreement and that the only thing that should matter is whether something 'feels' like anime as if you could maintain a DB like that. Just saying you understand the explanations doesn't mean anything, because if you did you would see that it's a factual distinction and not some opinion you agree or disagree with. It's like saying you disagee with gravity, it makes no sense. Hence my suspicion that you don't really understand the reasoning even if you say you believe you do. I replied because I understand that you don't understand despite what you say, based on your reply, and still think this is just MAL being stubborn or 'shortsighted', as you phrased it (whatever that means exactly), when it's really an objective distinction that can't be changed and even if MAL wanted to include it, it couldn't without the whole DB turning into chaos because once the criteria is not being animation and being from japan/east-asia but instead just 'kinda feels like anime', it all becomes completely subjective and you could add literally anything western and live-action to the DB just because someone like you 'feels' it's similar enough to anime. Soon the DB would be full with western animations and cory in the house memes and end up being useless as an actual anime DB. So if anything is shortsighted and shows unawareness of the responsability of handling a DB, it's your suggestion. It isn't a matter of agreeing and disagreeing, it's simply a matter of what can and can't be done while still maintaining the integrity of the DB and not making entry only depending on personal feelings. But whatever. Sorry for not letting you exit this discussion while you make it seem like MAL is just 'disagreeing' with a perfectly valid opinion because they're stubborn and shortsighted. That isn't really the case, and I wanted to make that clear in case anyone else reads this thread. I didn't want it to end on such a misleading note. I didn't intend for you to come back after you said you're done with this thread, but since you already did it would have been nice if you actually tried to show some understanding of the underlying arguments as to why suggestions like this will always be declined, as to prove my assumption wrong. But instead you decided to show that you also don't understand the quote in my signature so I guess that's that.. |
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| I probably regret this post by now. |
Pullman said: It's still not something that can be disagreed upon. You can either accept the facts that live filmed footage is not animation, or be in denial and pretend it's just a matter of subjective disagreement and that the only thing that should matter is whether something 'feels' like anime as if you could maintain a DB like that. Just saying you understand the explanations doesn't mean anything, because if you did you would see that it's a factual distinction and not some opinion you agree or disagree with. It's like saying you disagee with gravity, it makes no sense. Hence my suspicion that you don't really understand the reasoning even if you say you believe you do. I replied because I understand that you don't understand despite what you say, based on your reply, and still think this is just MAL being stubborn or 'shortsighted', as you phrased it (whatever that means exactly), when it's really an objective distinction that can't be changed and even if MAL wanted to include it, it couldn't without the whole DB turning into chaos because once the criteria is not being animation and being from japan/east-asia but instead just 'kinda feels like anime', it all becomes completely subjective and you could add literally anything western and live-action to the DB just because someone like you 'feels' it's similar enough to anime. Soon the DB would be full with western animations and cory in the house memes and end up being useless as an actual anime DB. So if anything is shortsighted and shows unawareness of the responsability of handling a DB, it's your suggestion. It isn't a matter of agreeing and disagreeing, it's simply a matter of what can and can't be done while still maintaining the integrity of the DB and not making entry only depending on personal feelings. But whatever. Sorry for not letting you exit this discussion while you make it seem like MAL is just 'disagreeing' with a perfectly valid opinion because they're stubborn and shortsighted. That isn't really the case, and I wanted to make that clear in case anyone else reads this thread. I didn't want it to end on such a misleading note. I didn't intend for you to come back after you said you're done with this thread, but since you already did it would have been nice if you actually tried to show some understanding of the underlying arguments as to why suggestions like this will always be declined, as to prove my assumption wrong. But instead you decided to show that you also don't understand the quote in my signature so I guess that's that.. What a shock Pullman being words that I can't use because I'll get in trouble again. |
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cheeko_gal said: How is animating puppets not the same as animating drawn figures? You're literally bringing things to life by moving them frame by frame. dumb mods By that logic, every film and TV show is animated and should be added to MAL since they're all frames. Thunderbolt Fantasy is live puppetry, it's not "animated" or "moved frame by frame." |
cheeko_gal said: Animation is merely using a tool to bringing life to something that is inanimate. Whether it a pencil to drawings or a hand to a puppet. I'm not sure what dictionary you've been reading, but that's really not what animation is. If I put my hand in a sock that I've drawn an anime face on and film it "talking," that's apparently anime if we use that definition. cheeko_gal said: The puppets are being animated. More so than rotoscoping. Rotoscoping is exactly the same as normal animation, just tracing over a guide. cheeko_gal said: It also uses quite a bit of CG animation So wouldn't count as animation then? Once again, by that flawed logic, we should be adding every live-action TV show and movie that uses CG effects (which is a lot). |
| to be honest puppetry exists in MAL https://myanimelist.net/anime/29927/Kaguya-hime if puppetry is not valid, what about clay animation? |
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Chika_tetsu said: One is animated. The other isn't. to be honest puppetry exists in MAL https://myanimelist.net/anime/29927/Kaguya-hime |
TristisOris said: please, remove this from db https://myanimelist.net/anime/40358 40% puppets 40% live action. https://myanimelist.net/anime/31373 USA 3d. https://myanimelist.net/anime/9340 puppets. https://myanimelist.net/anime/35777 puppets. CGI is animation. Stop-motion is animation. Real time puppetry isn't. |
You all need to watch Nami. |
| why is live capture cgi allowed if live puppetry isn't allowed? |
Reply to TristisOris
please, remove this from db
https://myanimelist.net/anime/40358 40% puppets 40% live action.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/31373 USA 3d.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/9340 puppets.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/35777 puppets.
| @TristisOris I know this post was made years ago and it's pretty obvious that your account is a troll/bot account but... 1. I don't remember any puppets in that show... 2. Not sure where you are getting the USA part from, the staff is entirely Japanese. 3. Stop motion isn't puppets 4. See above |
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