| i think because it's not actually animation, but more like a puppet show |
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| Exctly.... for something to be considered an animation, it needs to have animation in it. But TF is just a movie with puppets. |
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| I wonder the same thing, considering that it's actually stop-motion and has underwent through an editing process digitally, with particle effects and all that good shit. Stop-Motion is considered an animation style in the world of animators. So anyways, @Kineta can we get some input on this? |
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| That's a weird technicality. Claymation still passes MAL standards but puppetry doesn't? (Well, never watched it anyway but wth) |
| @Red_Ryu12345 SigmaticDoc said: it has been repeatedly declined with the message "Puppetry does not count as stop motion."I wonder the same thing, considering that it's actually stop-motion and has underwent through an editing process digitally, with particle effects and all that good shit. Stop-Motion is considered an animation style in the world of animators. So anyways, @Kineta can we get some input on this? ctrl+f in this thread https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=140439&show=360 here is a discussion from when it was ongoing which might clarify some things better than i: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1531458 |
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| LOL C.L.A.Y is anime but Thunderbolt fantasy isn't. https://myanimelist.net/anime/16606/CLAY Damn the database is so great. Thunderbolt fantasy has way more animation than Clay. Clay Thunderbolt Fantasy |
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DrGeroCreation said: LOL C.L.A.Y is anime but Thunderbolt fantasy isn't. https://myanimelist.net/anime/16606/CLAY Damn the database is so great. Thunderbolt fantasy has way more animation than Clay. Clay Thunderbolt Fantasy apparently it wasn't added because unlike Clay, the puppets in Thunderbolt are real and not 3D. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1531935 this might explain why it wasn't added. it's not 3d - it's real puppets. |
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| Last time I checked, puppet shows aren't animation. They're real puppets moving in real time. Do you consider Sesame Street or the Muppets animation? I didn't think so. |
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| Anybody who watches TF and thinks that's stop-motion animation obviously doesn't have much experience with (stop-motion) animation because those movements are way too fluid, they are clearly moving the puppets in real-time without any aspect of animation being involved. The only thing I see are some effects edited in but that's not really animation, just effects/editing. But considering people call ufotable the studio with the best animation based on them using a lot of editing and effects I'm not surprised they think it constitutes animation. |
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DreamingBeats said: In this interview with Takena, Chainsaw Maid is specifically called claymation with no mention of CGI. Maid of the Dead is in the database.DrGeroCreation said: LOL C.L.A.Y is anime but Thunderbolt fantasy isn't. https://myanimelist.net/anime/16606/CLAY Damn the database is so great. Thunderbolt fantasy has way more animation than Clay. Clay Thunderbolt Fantasy apparently it wasn't added because unlike Clay, the puppets in Thunderbolt are real and not 3D. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1531935 this might explain why it wasn't added. it's not 3d - it's real puppets. https://myanimelist.net/anime/11679/Chainsaw_Maid Also do you have proof that all of Takena's shorts are CGI and not clayanimation? |
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Pyro said: I would to be honest. The Muppets are actually in the Big cartoon database and on Kisscartoon https://www.bcdb.com/cartoon-story/132666-MuppetsLast time I checked, puppet shows aren't animation. They're real puppets moving in real time. Do you consider Sesame Street or the Muppets animation? I didn't think so. Pullman said: They are using glove puppetry so you are right it's not stop motion animation but I would call glove puppetry and other forms of puppetry animation since it is movement.Anybody who watches TF and thinks that's stop-motion animation obviously doesn't have much experience with (stop-motion) animation because those movements are way too fluid, they are clearly moving the puppets in real-time without any aspect of animation being involved. Red_Ryu12345 said: Well they are Japanese although they don't seem specifically for a Japanese audience since he just uploads them to his Youtube channel (to my knowledge not 100%) and I don't think they would be considered professionally produced works. So yeah it's strange how they are in the database.Messed up, even if I think one guy making claymation by himself on youtube is fine though why is it on MAL? |
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DrGeroCreation said: Pyro said: I would to be honest. The Muppets are actually in the Big cartoon database and on Kisscartoon https://www.bcdb.com/cartoon-story/132666-MuppetsLast time I checked, puppet shows aren't animation. They're real puppets moving in real time. Do you consider Sesame Street or the Muppets animation? I didn't think so. Pullman said: They are using glove puppetry so you are right it's not stop motion animation but I would call glove puppetry and other forms of puppetry animation since it is movement.Anybody who watches TF and thinks that's stop-motion animation obviously doesn't have much experience with (stop-motion) animation because those movements are way too fluid, they are clearly moving the puppets in real-time without any aspect of animation being involved. Well, you'd be wrong, frankly. Live-action is also 'movement' but it's not animation so I don't see how that is any kind of argument. Animation is not done by filming (unlike real acting and puppetry) but by photographing and creating the illusion of movement by showing individual frames in sequence. Definition of animation: "the technique of photographing successive drawings or positions of puppets or models to create an illusion of movement when the film is shown as a sequence." If it's filmed, not photographed and then shown in succession, it's not animation by definition. Puppet animation (like what Kawamoto Kihachiro did) is also a thing, but again that uses stop-motion animation and not just filming real movements like TF does. |
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| @DrGeroCreation I don't see your point. The Muppets being listed on some cartoon database and an illegal cartoon streaming site doesn't change the fact that it's not animation. As Pullman said, your idea of animation is wrong. |
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| @Pullman Okay I understand what you are saying. Thunderbolt Fantasy is a filmed puppet show not a puppet animation.People have their hands under the puppets and are moving them around instead of the puppets being moved and filmed step by step to imitate motion. If stop motion was used for the puppets then I guess it could have been added to the database. @Pyro I admitted I was wrong but the Big cartoon database isn't just some cartoon database. It's the top cartoon database on the Web. |
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DrGeroCreation said: @Pyro I admitted I was wrong but the Big cartoon database isn't just some cartoon database. It's the top cartoon database on the Web. That's great and all, but I'm starting to feel like a parrot at this point. |
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Pyro said: You don't have to repeat anything though since Pullman already explained everything already.DrGeroCreation said: @Pyro I admitted I was wrong but the Big cartoon database isn't just some cartoon database. It's the top cartoon database on the Web. That's great and all, but I'm starting to feel like a parrot at this point. |
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| Then anime planet made an exception respectively I don't know their reasoning to add it. But it's not the authority about what anime is or isn't (obviously). And, no, puppetry isn't a form of animation. See the explanation of Alcoholicide above. Honestly, was there even a reason to necro this thread? |
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DreamingBeats said: DrGeroCreation said: LOL C.L.A.Y is anime but Thunderbolt fantasy isn't. https://myanimelist.net/anime/16606/CLAY Damn the database is so great. Thunderbolt fantasy has way more animation than Clay. Clay Thunderbolt Fantasy apparently it wasn't added because unlike Clay, the puppets in Thunderbolt are real and not 3D. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1531935 this might explain why it wasn't added. it's not 3d - it's real puppets. Fushigi no Yappo Shima: Pukipuki to Poi: https://vimeo.com/520919456 Konohana no Sakuya Mori: https://vimeo.com/221683648 Columbos: Shisha no Sho: |
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