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Fighting_Spirit Apr 20, 10:45 AM
Followers of Dezaki, hear my word.
For only in this word can you hear the word:
The truth of Dezaki, what lies beneath the mask,
Honesty and sincerity, found both hand in hand.
For only in these things can you see the light
Of an artist's igniting moment.
Fighting_Spirit Apr 16, 11:06 AM
Bro is gonna convert me into an Uberelitist. Well, time to go down the rabbit hole...
Fighting_Spirit Apr 16, 10:05 AM
MY bad. I think I misclicked your profile for another one with a JOE pfp. Anyway could you sell me on Takarajima, Space Cobra, apart from widening my Dezaki knowledge?
Fighting_Spirit Apr 15, 2:41 PM
Joe.
mdo7 Apr 11, 8:56 AM
As mentioned before in my book those are inadequate networks for the goal - Instagram is focused on pretty pictures, not what people actually think and TikTok is "confirmation bias the social network".


And you don't have both of these so you don't know what's going on. I followed retro IG pages on there and I have no doubt there are a lot of retro videos, and pictures being shared on there. So I have no reason to doubt there are retro video game video and images being shared on there.

On the other hand if you don't follow Twitch I think you don't have as an accurate idea what are people playing as I do.


I don't used Twitch (not my thing), and if you have bothered to look around on Reddit about do retro gaming get streamed on Twitch:

Twitch Reddit: Retro games and their audiences.

Retro gaming on Twitch

Streaming Older/Retro Games?

I found something more recent: Would you watch retro gaming on Twitch?

Although I don't used Twitch, I did some snooping around on Reddit and found these:

What is considered 'Retro' on Twitch?

The 'Retro' Category

The Retro category is killing the ability to easily find specific older games streamed on Twitch.

Do you even know want social network (that's was we were talking about) means? How those two are different?


I know what social media, I take it you don't have Anilist. Here's my Anilist profile.

Here's what I can tell you that makes Anilist more of a social media over MAL:

-Ability to like a person's post (something I don't see in MAL)
-When you leave a post whether it's a status post, or a update on a anime/manga watching, for Anilist, you can not only make it public, it goes on a global public feed (MAL doesn't have a global public feed where a user that doesn't follow any specific users will not know immediately what that person watch or shared)

I mean I can tell you don't have Anilist, so you don't know how I define social media from your perception.

Why you are even talking with me, since trust is an issue?


Then why do you talk shit/crap on people when it comes to retro stuff like you did when it comes to older/retro anime?

Also, MAL had a problem with fake users that aren't even anime fan in the past so I have to treat you like one.

Self doxing? Not my idea of fun.


I wouldn't called it self doxing, I called it authentication to confirmed if you're really who you say you are. That's the reason I put my birthday without any fear.

Doxxing will always come with the territory when it comes to having a online profile and social media regardless if you make your Birthday public or not. Am I scared of it? Nope, when I created MAL, or any online profile, or any social media account I put myself at risk at doxxing no matter what.

And speaking of authentication:

For many years I was tracking my anime in a text file. In 2011 I decided that MAL had some advantages and I created this account

Than in 2018 MAL had some technical issues + reboots and my older account got locked with no ways of recovery. Luckily I was periodically exporting my anime and manga lists just in case and I created my current account from those exports. I even created a backup account on AniDB.


That makes sense, and for me I was lucky my MAL profile was not a victim of this weird technical issues. I'm sorry about your previous MAL profile.

But I did check out your previous MAL profile, and I have no reason to doubt you. I went as far as to leave you a comment on your previous profile as a sign of authentication that I've looked over through your profile. So thank you for telling me about your previous profile.

Now back on topic

That's playing with semantics...yes, those PS2 versions are already retro from 2024 point the view, but also aren't the original games...it would be retro gaming, but also not the genuine experience with said games, kind of a hybrid thing. On the other hand the PS4 versions arguably aren't old enough.


You didn't answer my question, you wrote this:

Any remaster for newer hardware is just replicating - that's a retro styled game. Also newer games which copy aesthetics and/or gameplay elements aren't actual retro games too.


What do you called putting emulated arcade games (from 1970's and early 1980's) on a cartridge like Super Nintendo, & SEGA Genesis? Do you called that a remastering like you said even though it's just emulation with no enhancement option?

Do you applied that to emulated arcade game that got released on CD-ROM format like SEGA Saturn, and Playstation 1. You said it yourself that remaster for newer hardware is just replicating, but what about pure emulation by putting it on cartridge and CD-ROM without any enhancement option, does that still count as retro game.

Your response is not quite impressive to me, and the fact that you deliberately ignored my Super Nintendo, and SEGA Genesis emulation port release of classic golden age arcade games makes me think you don't know how to answer that.

Here's an interesting thought, Resident Evil 4 (the original, not the recent remake) has gotten released on multiple generations of consoles before the remake, would you considered the original RE4 retro or not despite the remastering it received:




So given that RE 4 got a modern-day remake, does that make the original version retro now despite the remastering it got before the remake? What count as retro anymore? Should I applied that to TMNT: Turtles in Time despite it got a remake in 2009 before The Cowabunga Collection brought back the original arcade game (including the SNES version of the game).

Some parts of Australia have trashy internet (because of vast inhabited regions which makes fast internet unsustainable and Starlink being quite expensive) maybe that's part of the reason?


And you're basing this on what? What experience do you have with Australia? Did you traveled there recently?

I don't think the technology of steaming will be replaced back, more like the business model behind it will change.


It's possible that people may start giving physical media more investment and focus less on streaming given that a lot of first and 3rd party "exclusives" & "original" contents are being removed/disappeared from streaming platform for the last few years (and also not given physical release), I think those that are observant on streaming platform (like me) would be worried about those shows and films being gone with no other means of watching it.

All of those are written by non-zoomers who wish younger people will have a crush on the same things as them.


How do you know those are written by non-Zoomers? Are you going to say this Reddit thread about Golden age comic book was not written by a Gen Z user.

So mostly millennials not zoomers?


You never heard of Zillennials? Yep, they exist, and I suspect they're the one that are able to bridge the gap between Millennials and Gen Z, and probably the reason why retro games are able to get a sizable audiences within Gen Z demographics. And I suspect that Zillennials are probably the one that are also sharing retro/old school anime on Instagram and elsewhere.
mdo7 Apr 10, 11:53 AM
Various (I guess mostly Reddit and YouTube) and I think Twitch gives a good idea what it trading in the gaming brotherhood.


So you don't have Instagram nor TikTok to verify or to investigate for yourself?

Now this is funny...even if didn't share what I follow, MAL is at least one such social media.


I wouldn't consider MAL a social media, but Anilist match my definition of social media despite being a anime collecting database like MAL.

It's an old game which is running on the actual old hardware. Any remaster for newer hardware is just replicating - that's a retro styled game. Also newer games which copy aesthetics and/or gameplay elements aren't actual retro games too.


Then what do you call these:













By your logic, these aren't retro game despite these re-release of classic arcade games from 1970's and early 80's on consoles like Super Nintendo, SEGA Genesis/Mega Drive, SEGA Saturn, Playstation.

What do you call these re-release of emulated SEGA Genesis Games on subsequent non-Genesis consoles:





If you said there are not retro game despite these re-releases kept the graphic and the gameplay, then how do you expect to explain to people how are these are not retro video game. You see the problem with your what you said, those are old games that are not fully remaster but yet they still retained the old graphic and gameplay from that era.

They are retro video games, and yet they're still going strong even after many years.

I am born in the 70s, I have (sadly somehow limited, yet genuine) experience with said old games.


Assuming you're telling the truth (your MAL profile doesn't state your birthday). Also I have one more question: if you were born in 1970's like you claim, then why did you wait until 2018 to get MAL but not get it like in early 2010's, or early or late 2000's. How long have you been in the anime/manga fandom for?

Physical media is not coming back...not as big as it was.


Actually I got this from Australia, and this leaves me a lot of hope for physical media:



Also not sure if you read the Hollywood Reporter, but there are a lot of concern about streaming's removal of content and talks about resurrecting physical media because of that:

Why the Dying DVD Business Could Be Headed for a Resurrection (Nov 2023)

Christopher Nolan on the importance of physical media (2nd source: Variety) in the age of streaming provider's removal of content from their site. And if you want evidence that his word speak truth, then no look further then how Oppenheimer 4K blu-rays sold out (2nd sources: Variety, Deadline Hollywood). Other people on Hollywood are speaking out about the danger of streaming, and the importance of physical media.

That's why I think physical media could see a resurgence given that streaming like Netflix are removing their exclusive aka first party and 3rd party exclusive contents on their streaming platform. This is a very worst-case scenario because a lot of these content that are exclusive on Netflix don't have physical releases.

Retro styled games aren't that popular in comparison to the other stuff. I even see some decline from the golden age of 2016 (or somehow around 2011-2019).


Again, what evidence do you have that backed up your statement, because I don't see anything that validate your statement. The rule of argument is that if you're going to make a statement like that, back it up with a physical evidence (and one that is very credible).

You didn't have hard evidences to begin with - just some temporary spikes in interest and wishful thinking that the "good old times" will return.


Actually, I can back up with this:



And those facts are right before your eyes in reactions and comments of younger game/anime fans even for modern products which they can't properly explain why they like. You just fail to interpret those.


So do you want to explain these:

Any teenagers / Gen Zers here actually enjoy retro gaming?

Gen Z retro gamers, what got you into retro games? What was your first retro game? What was the first retro game you’ve beaten?

Im intrested. how many gen z'ers are into retro gaming, in this case meaning N64 and below

Those looks like young people born after 1994 being able to play older games by one mean or another.

Oh, so you were projecting those on me and not actually trying to get (not necessary agree) what I am saying?


Judging from the way you denied all the evidence I already showed you, then yes it's fair game for me to compare you to a election denier or even a flat earther despite all the evidence out there that back up everything I've seen on both social media and how retro game are being received outside of the retro gaming communities.

If there are young Gen Z retro gamers out there, then I can't ruled out the possibilities that there are young retro/old-school anime fanbase out there that may exist. It's possible for a anime fan that is also a retro gamer to crossover to retro/older anime.
mdo7 Apr 9, 12:40 PM
Which you don't have...


I already gave you enough evidence (hard evidence!!!), you don't have any that can back any of what you said. See that's what I mean you're detached from reality. You refused to accept my evidence at all, that makes you no better then an election denier or a flat-earther folks.
mdo7 Apr 9, 12:01 PM
Whatever, look you have no evidence that counter my evidence. You seem to detach yourself from reality when I showed you real evidence, and I don't know what's up with you when it comes to hard evidence. But you remind me of those election deniers in the USA when it comes to evidence and you seem to denied anything I gave you.

I don't know if I want to continue to talk to you given that you denied everything I just showed to you and the fact that you don't have any physical evidence that counter mine.
mdo7 Apr 9, 10:30 AM
O RLY


Yes, I'm serious!!! Your response makes me raise question about you.

Isn't that for people who want to scream at the world "Look at me, I am such a unique snowflake!". Of course some people will want to stand out as game history savvy.

Isn't its algorithm searching with personally tailored bias in order to make you like more videos it suggests? Sounds like a horrible research tool.


That's why I'm asking you, what social media do you use? If you don't use any, then why not? What evidence do you need to proof that retro games are popular. Geez, you're like one of those people that doesn't believe in reality when I can find more evidence of it.

Whatever, dude. Don't believe if you will and stop trying to convince me that your biases are the ultimate truth or whatever.


No, I'm not bias, but ironically you do seem bias judging from the way you break away from reality.

O RLY
How many genuine retro games, not replicas and remasters are available around you?


??? Give me an example of your definition of retro video game? Because I don't think you never play a retro game, and why do I have a feeling you're not a history nerd judging from reading your comments.

Buying BDs is for the rich or the insanely dedicated (who will ignore more important things like healthcare in order sustain their hobby). The less old remastered shows you see on popular streaming services, the less those titles are actually popular.


Uh, if I told you that streaming has been losing their subscribers due to variety of reasons, would you believe it or do you think these are fake news to you?

Let me tell you something: I've been hating on streaming for the last 5 years and I say this as someone who used to stream a lot since 2006/2007.

Again, what evidence do you need, are you really attached to reality or do you really think retro games are not popular like you claim.

Also, you don't have evidence to counter mine. So you lose the argument to me for that reason.
mdo7 Apr 6, 10:32 AM
Not in depth, but I got the idea.


No, you don't. And I take it you don't use Instagram, or TikTok to know how retro game are getting more younger fans out there.

It doesn't prove your point, that's for sure.


Hm, actually it does. This is what happened when you don't read the article, or have a close-mind (I hope you're not a bigot or something).

No, but that's what they use anyway, because that's the most available way, like the remastered version of Chrono Trigger on Steam (which has the option to be played with the retro graphics and looks quite nice on modern systems...but I guess they changed some small elements in the gameplay to make it more approachable to contemporain gamers) and whatnot.


Again, how many retro game have you been playing lately? Because you make it sound like you haven't kept track of what's going on in the retro gaming world.

On what's available on CR, HiDive, Netflix, Disney+ and Amazon Prime - only few old show there are with their best remaster (CR being the biggest culprit for trashy quality).


Well, did you asked any anime fans beyond that and I mean using Reddit thread, social media, and other anime forum. You do realize in the US, we've gotten more retro anime release in the States then what you got in your country where you come from.
mdo7 Apr 5, 4:05 PM
Did you even bothered to read the article at all? Because I looked at your response and it looks like you didn't read the article at all, did you?

From the Guardian article:

On TikTok, #retrogaming videos have amassed over 6bn views. On YouTube, uploads have increased 1,000-fold. Spotify users are creating 50% more retro-gaming-themed playlists than they were at this time last year, and live streamers are cashing in on the repetitive catchphrases and mechanical movements of NPCs (non-player characters). So why, in this age of hyperrealistic graphics and ever-expanding technological possibility, are younger generations captivated by an era of technological limitation?

For Kingsley Ellis, a millennial raised on the bleeps and bloops of Sega Mega Drives and N64 cartridges, the allure of retro gaming is simple. “It’s all about the nostalgia,” says Ellis, whose TikTok account, UnPacked, has 1.5 million followers. He says his interest lies mostly in old gaming hardware. His most-watched videos revisit the gloriously bizarre world of retro peripherals – those often ridiculous attachments designed to enhance (or overengineer) the gaming experience, such as screen magnifiers and foldout speakers clipped on to consoles.

Thanks to the memetic nature of the modern internet, this thrill of discovery extends beyond gameplay, as video game soundtracks and graphics increasingly find life in new contexts. Gaming has long been a source of inspiration for artists – think Jay-Z’s Golden Axe sample on Money, Cash, Hoes; Lil B’s use of Masashi Hamauzu’s Final Fantasy score; and D Double E’s Street Fighter Riddim. On the independent online radio platform NTS, which boasts a dedicated audience of millions, video game music is part of regular programming. NTS’s monthly Otaku show dives into specific games or themes, from iconic franchises such as The Legend of Zelda to the history of video game sampling in rap.


There's nothing in the article about replicas or playing remastered versions, or playing ROMs in the article. Oh and speaking of that.

Also those guys are using replicas and remastered versions. You and the author of this article like to exaggerate.


As I said, the article didn't mentioned anything about replicas or playing remastered versions. And even if they did, that still being exposed to retro games, and why would that matter to you. I mean there are probably younger Millennials and Gen Z that are probably playing these:




And I don't ruled out they could have access to these:




If younger people are being exposed to retro video games on social media like Instagram, and TikTok like the Guardian article mentioned then that means those retro games I've mentioned are probably getting a lot of younger audiences out there.

I also want to remind you we got some retro-inspired indies games out there that are also playing influence to young gamers out there that have caused a lot of them to crossover to actual retro games:

Nine great retro-inspired indies you can play today
Top 10 Retro Indie Games That Will Make Players Feel Nostalgic

10 Indie Games That Prove Retro Is Still Relevant


Any younger gamers playing these retro-styled indies games are probably the one that are likely to play retro game or crossover to retro gaming because of that.

Naaah. Those guys are too superficial to go out of their comfort zone. No to mention the access of good quality retro anime is locked behind the BD remasters paywall.


And you're judging this from what? You don't have evidence that disprove otherwise while I can find a lot of evidence of younger fans discovering retro video game and older anime. You never used Instagram, or TikTok or even met any influencers that can persuade a portion of young anime fans to embrace retro anime (and they probably exist), have you? You don't need remastered anime to appeal to younger anime fans. I take it you never got to chance to play Little Goody Two Shoes? Because if any young anime fans/gamers were to played this game (and watch the anime cutscene), I can guaranteed that would get a lot of young anime fans that are also gamers to discover retro anime because of the 90's-styled animation used in the game.




It takes an influencer who is a retro anime nerd on social media to influence a lot of youngsters to embrace something retro, and I guarantee somewhere out there on TikTok or Instagram a retro anime fan is using that game to show what 90's anime has influence Little Good Two Shoes, and anyone that played that game that is amazed by the 90's anime animation would probably end up watching anime from the 90's.

Don't underestimate the power of curiosity, and the power of well discovering the old and retro.
mdo7 Apr 5, 7:00 AM
Got something you may want to read on: The Guardian article: Why are younger generations embracing the retro game revival? (younger millennials and gen Z are getting in on the nostalgia too)

See if there are younger people that are playing retro video game, then how are you so sure there maybe young retro anime fans out there and they may or may not have MAL profile to indicate their presence. Also, we don't know how many of those younger retro gamers I mentioned in the article could also be anime/manga fans and it's possible that exposure to retro video game could make them curious about older anime. I mean it wouldn't sound crazy for a retro video gamer who is a anime fan who could've played an old obscure JRPG from the 90's could've ended up found out about a old anime adaptation of that obscure RPG game and just I don't know watched it, and got more curious about older anime and that person became a retro anime fan. You'll be surprised how people can become fan of old obscure stuff.

So maybe there are young retro anime fans out there if there is a retro video game fans that are younger then most of us on MAL.
pludel2 Apr 4, 6:41 AM
Seeing Ryōko in someone's favorites is a nice change of pace. Definitely the best Tenchi girl, lol.
MoesianThracian Mar 31, 7:24 AM
Мале брат, тези от Techno Police въобще не играят. Енунцияцията им е много добра, обаче никаква игра.
MoesianThracian Mar 31, 7:08 AM
Това, че някой не може да го обясни правилно, но означава, че не съществува такъв психологически феномен.

Възможно е аз да не съм го усетил.

1. Ъъъ, ма тук избързваш с времевата линия.


Е, 2006г. все още се смятаха аниметата само за деца в България.

2. Каквато и де е историята, все пак поредицата е промиване на мозъка на хлапета, че можеш да отдадеш живота си на любимото си хоби и да не ти пука училище и семейство. ;)))


Хм, не знам дали това е изначалната замисъл. Мирът и спокойствието в покемон света вероятно е огледало на това в Япония. Не присъства особен натиск предизвикан от семейства или училища. В такава среда, можеш спокойно да си развиваш детското съществуване както желаеш.

Училища са първите среди за индоктринация и без това. Не малко, които даже те настройват против собствените ти родители.

Затова ли най-рекламираните аниме поредици в даден момент, са и най-продаваното и популярното в Япония? Никакъв личен вкус, никакви предпочитания.


Изостанъл съм със следенето на сезоните. Знам, че има четири исекаи тази доба. Направо ми гръмва мозъка, че още ги правят.

Techno Police 21C (с български субтитри, но английски дублаж).


Веднага открих VHS rip на това в YouTube - баси якото.



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