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Yuu_Taka said: Ryuchi_san said: ooooi I didn't make any joke for this. Everyone in this forum is mourn for his death, but except the haters who wishing him dead. Skip the chapter and u'll see what happened to armin while he became a decoy. hater always haters without armin there no one could survive. :p i've seen it. Too bad he has to died 1st, there is nothing i could say for this. Yosh, u're rite.. I may not bigfan of armin but he do his fine job to make a good strategy. What is the reason to hate him, cus he not brave like all the soldier? Shame on them thinking abt the guts but not the IQ. OK. |
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keragamming said: thepath said: I don't think Armin will die. He is main character. They will find a way to bring him alive Look at reiner. We thought he was dead but he was still a live The thing is, before the chapter was release the editor for snk twitted that fans should reread the manga from volume 1 to the latest chapter, for it to be more intense, this tells me that he is really dead and they wanted it to be impactful as possible, unless its a cheap shock value tactics which would be really disappointing. Also does titan Armin sounds realistic to you? He is not the fighter type as well. I think he is dead, if he some how got revive after this, it will be even worst than Reiner asspull. tbh I think he is truly dead, the fact that Hanji is still alive strengthen that claim, since they need a character with a brain for the strategies in later arc. Armin as a titan shifter? I just can't see that happening, also story wise that wouldn't make sense to turn your strategist into a fighter, that doesn't fit Armin character at all. I could be totally wrong though, hopefully not. I'll start by saying that I'm a HUGE Armin fan. And yet, yes, I want him dead. Why? Because I'd rather deal with Armin's death than with another asspull ( we already had too much of them for Reiner). As a previous poster said, Isayama is (kinda) the George R.R. Martin of manga. And that's a GOOD thing. Making main characters dies isn't merely for shock value, it actually builds up suspense; like, what's the point of plot armor? It's real boring. GoT kills main characters, and SnK does too. That's a huge part of why I applaud these two pieces of entertainment so much. So yep, I do want Armin dead, even though he was a fantastic character. |
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| btw, I really do hope fucking Reiner is dead as well. All in all, an epic, brilliant, memorable chapter. 5/5 obvi. |
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Ryuchi_san said: Yuu_Taka said: hater always haters without armin there no one could survive. :p i've seen it. Too bad he has to died 1st, there is nothing i could say for this. Yosh, u're rite.. I may not bigfan of armin but he do his fine job to make a good strategy. What is the reason to hate him, cus he not brave like all the soldier? Shame on them thinking abt the guts but not the IQ. OK. Why ISAYAMA KILL HIM, HE WANT TO GO OUT OF THIS DAMN WALL FOR GOD SAKE! PUT HIM BACK ALIVE. WOOOOOOOOI D: IDK I'M IN MOODY MOOD RITE NOW. |
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| Armin can't be dead, can he? Then who is narrating the anime? It was Armin, right? Or not? |
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Lichtspiel said: Armin can't be dead, can he? Then who is narrating the anime? It was Armin, right? Or not? If Armin is truly dead that doesn't stop the voice actor from narrating the anime. Armin narrating the anime doesn't mean anything Eren English dub voice actor is the one that narrates the dub version of snk. |
| Ok, no fucking way reiner and berthold get out of this one right? |
Yuu_Taka said: Ryuchi_san said: Yosh, u're rite.. I may not bigfan of armin but he do his fine job to make a good strategy. What is the reason to hate him, cus he not brave like all the soldier? Shame on them thinking abt the guts but not the IQ. OK. Why ISAYAMA KILL HIM, HE WANT TO GO OUT OF THIS DAMN WALL FOR GOD SAKE! PUT HIM BACK ALIVE. WOOOOOOOOI D: IDK I'M IN MOODY MOOD RITE NOW. idk. Lol i can feel ur pain @yuuta T-T |
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| am i the only one that from liking reyner and bertholdt, now i want them to die in pain?? I mean they treat their friends like shit goddammit!! Armin... poor guy :| Please dont kill anyone anymore in this arc author T.T |
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MC117 said: Ok, no fucking way reiner and berthold get out of this one right? if they get i will be utterly disappointed!! |
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| I obviously won't believe he's actually dead just yet. |
| Hanji is immortal. And they can't die yet, we haven't seen their backstory. What I'm worried about is Sasha, I read on some website that it's quite suspicious how Isayama drew Sasha on little panels even when she received a fatal injury. Isayama might be sending us a message that will shock us on the next chapters by drawing the attention on Armin's 'death' when it's Sasha who died. You can tell she was unconscious, and the wood was directly (or almost) pierced her chest (heart). This sounds familiar, right? Drawing the attention on someone only to find out later that someone else died. I just don't know if this already happened in SNK. |
| 10/10 this chapter was amazing, i really hope Levi uses the serum to save Armin, cause I'm sure that's what Erwin would've wanted as well |
| I for one thing hope Armin is dead. Out of all mangaka, Isayama is one of the rare breed who has the actual balls to kill off main character. |
| Ad Astra Per Aspera |
| Armin is finally dead! I really didn't care about him. I'll miss Sasha tho, not sure if she's dead but it seemed like she is. I'm so happy Hange is alive, it's good to see her again. |
RedaJaNai said: GoT kills main characters, and SnK does too. That's a huge part of why I applaud these two pieces of entertainment so much. So yep, I do want Armin dead, even though he was a fantastic character. Dimitrije1606 said: I for one thing hope Armin is dead. Out of all mangaka, Isayama is one of the rare breed who has the actual balls to kill off main character. Which main character has SnK killed, Armin's potential death not included? I count a grand total of zero dead main characters. keragamming said: Lichtspiel said: Armin can't be dead, can he? Then who is narrating the anime? It was Armin, right? Or not? If Armin is truly dead that doesn't stop the voice actor from narrating the anime. Armin narrating the anime doesn't mean anything Eren English dub voice actor is the one that narrates the dub version of snk. Josh Grelle (Armin) is the English narrator. |
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FloatingIdiot said: RedaJaNai said: GoT kills main characters, and SnK does too. That's a huge part of why I applaud these two pieces of entertainment so much. So yep, I do want Armin dead, even though he was a fantastic character. Dimitrije1606 said: I for one thing hope Armin is dead. Out of all mangaka, Isayama is one of the rare breed who has the actual balls to kill off main character. Which main character has SnK killed, Armin's potential death not included? I count a grand total of zero dead main characters. keragamming said: If Armin is truly dead that doesn't stop the voice actor from narrating the anime. Armin narrating the anime doesn't mean anything Eren English dub voice actor is the one that narrates the dub version of snk. Josh Grelle (Armin) is the English narrator. You're actually right. I meant to say, important characters. |
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RedaJaNai said: You're actually right. I meant to say, important characters. Like who exactly? |
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RedaJaNai said: FloatingIdiot said: Which main character has SnK killed, Armin's potential death not included? I count a grand total of zero dead main characters. Josh Grelle (Armin) is the English narrator. You're actually right. I meant to say, important characters. My point still stands. Armin voice actor narrating the anime doesn't mean anything. |
FloatingIdiot said: RedaJaNai said: You're actually right. I meant to say, important characters. Like who exactly? Eren's mom, Thomas, Hannes, Marco, Grisha, Frieda. |
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A bunch of characters with no screen time. Not too impressive. You can add Mike, Kenny, and Rod to that list of characters that nobody really cares about. |
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FloatingIdiot said: A bunch of characters with no screen time. Not too impressive. You can add Mike, Kenny, and Rod to that list of characters that nobody really cares about. Grisha and Frieda were pretty fucking relevant to the story tho. |
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FloatingIdiot said: A bunch of characters with no screen time. Not too impressive. You can add Mike, Kenny, and Rod to that list of characters that nobody really cares about. A lot of people like Mike, Petra, Kenny and Marco especially. I liked Kenny a lot, especially when he died in chapter 69, he had way more development and characrization than characters like Connie and Sasha for eg. So its not about the amount of screen time a character get its what the author do with those characters in those short span of time. What you're touching on is purely subjective and there is no point in arguing to someone that x is not a important character. I have no idea why a lot of persons like Petra or even Marco for eg, but they do, nothing you can do about that. |
keragamming said: FloatingIdiot said: A bunch of characters with no screen time. Not too impressive. You can add Mike, Kenny, and Rod to that list of characters that nobody really cares about. A lot of people like Mike, Petra, Kenny and Marco especially. I liked Kenny a lot, especially when he died in chapter 69, he had way more development and characrization than characters like Connie and Sasha for eg. So its not about the amount of screen time a character get its what the author do with those characters in those short span of time. What you're touching on is purely subjective and there is no point in arguing to someone that x is not a important character. I have no idea why a lot of persons like Petra or even Marco for eg, but they do, nothing you can do about that. But these people don't even qualify as "secondary" characters really, like Hange/Erwin/Levi/Jean, or even Connie/Sasha would. If Sasha dies and Armin/Erwin live, she would be the most "major" death in the whole story. |
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FloatingIdiot said: keragamming said: A lot of people like Mike, Petra, Kenny and Marco especially. I liked Kenny a lot, especially when he died in chapter 69, he had way more development and characrization than characters like Connie and Sasha for eg. So its not about the amount of screen time a character get its what the author do with those characters in those short span of time. What you're touching on is purely subjective and there is no point in arguing to someone that x is not a important character. I have no idea why a lot of persons like Petra or even Marco for eg, but they do, nothing you can do about that. But these people don't even qualify as "secondary" characters really, like Hange/Erwin/Levi/Jean, or even Connie/Sasha would. If Sasha dies and Armin/Erwin live, she would be the most "major" death in the whole story. You're straying from the point, whether you believe those characters are important is purely subjective. Marco has a huge fanbase, Even though he had little screen time and he died early on in the series. Also I don't understand how a lot of people arr ssying Sasha is dead.... |
keragamming said: FloatingIdiot said: But these people don't even qualify as "secondary" characters really, like Hange/Erwin/Levi/Jean, or even Connie/Sasha would. If Sasha dies and Armin/Erwin live, she would be the most "major" death in the whole story. You're straying from the point, whether you believe those characters are important is purely subjective. Marco has a huge fanbase, Even though he had little screen time and he died early on in the series. Also I don't understand how a lot of people arr ssying Sasha is dead.... There are character popularity polls. Marco was basically a plot device for Jean and not much more. The whole "Marco is alive" thing caught on more because people liked the theory than actually caring about Marco. I think Petra just reached waifu status for some fans for whatever reason, but you can see how Oluo wasn't mourned too much, and there was probably more attention given to him anyway. I just gave a hypothetical about Sasha. I have no clue what happens, but if Armin just dies and that is it, that is a horrible plot hole considering how the anime is canon in almost every other way. And given Isayama's inability to kill actual major characters (hell, he wouldn't even touch Reiner who looked dead too), I think the dead Armin club is really just in denial about what will likely happen (Armin living). And since apparently main characters dying is a good thing cause it's dark and mature and like the greatest show ever (Game of Thrones), they desire for SnK to be something it has not been, and never will be. I'll take SnK over GoT any day... |
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| Armin, what a genius fucking plan that was, couldn't have been done w/o the sacrifice. RIP. |
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| Great chapter! So happy that Reinerplotarmor died! Sad that He-man died 5/5 |
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Bold prediction: neither will be dead for good |
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keragamming said: I have to agree with @FloatingIdiot on this one.FloatingIdiot said: But these people don't even qualify as "secondary" characters really, like Hange/Erwin/Levi/Jean, or even Connie/Sasha would. If Sasha dies and Armin/Erwin live, she would be the most "major" death in the whole story. You're straying from the point, whether you believe those characters are important is purely subjective. Marco has a huge fanbase, Even though he had little screen time and he died early on in the series. Also I don't understand how a lot of people arr ssying Sasha is dead.... SnK's body count is indeed very high, but it has earned among the western fanbase a reputation of being a "GoT-like" kind of series which, for the most part, it doesn't actually deserve. Once the main cast and antagonists are clearly established, it becomes impossible not to notice the thick layer of plot armour that protects them. This is why the whole thing about Reiner's consciousness/memory transfer, while commonly agreed to have been pulled straight out of Isayama's rectum, wasn't met with as big a backlash as you could expect from such a blatant asspull; somewhere, deep down, very few readers truly expected a major antagonist like the Armored Titan to be 'truly' killed. Incidentally, it also sheds some light on the reason why so many fans around the Internet seem to be in complete denial of what they read this month and are wildly theorizing about which "camp" Levi will chose next chapter between Team Armin and Team Erwin, while willfully ignoring all the evidence that indicates he would never be able to make it back to Shiganshina in time to save our resident aryan coconut. It's because there's actually no real precedent for the death of an important character; Isayama has never gotten his readers used to the idea of the main cast not being safe from death. Therefore, it's only natural that even when the last panel shows the charred body of a young boy who fell from the equivalent of twenty stories you'd have people wondering whether he's actually still alive. I personally don't think he survived this chapter, mostly because his sacrifice had a thematic importance and a sense of finality that I've never really seen anywhere else in the manga before. It's also my theory that if Isayama wants to go all the way with the parallels between Erwin and Armin that have been present since the beginning, then it would only makes sense for the two men who both came to terms with themselves and gave up on their respective dream for a greater cause to both die in the same arc, just a few steps away from the promised land, à la Moses. It would also set a precedent for the series and effectively transform it into an "anyone-can-die" type of fiction. |
SapewlothJun 18, 2016 4:36 PM
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FloatingIdiot said: keragamming said: You're straying from the point, whether you believe those characters are important is purely subjective. Marco has a huge fanbase, Even though he had little screen time and he died early on in the series. Also I don't understand how a lot of people arr ssying Sasha is dead.... There are character popularity polls. Marco was basically a plot device for Jean and not much more. The whole "Marco is alive" thing caught on more because people liked the theory than actually caring about Marco. I think Petra just reached waifu status for some fans for whatever reason, but you can see how Oluo wasn't mourned too much, and there was probably more attention given to him anyway. I just gave a hypothetical about Sasha. I have no clue what happens, but if Armin just dies and that is it, that is a horrible plot hole considering how the anime is canon in almost every other way. And given Isayama's inability to kill actual major characters (hell, he wouldn't even touch Reiner who looked dead too), I think the dead Armin club is really just in denial about what will likely happen (Armin living). And since apparently main characters dying is a good thing cause it's dark and mature and like the greatest show ever (Game of Thrones), they desire for SnK to be something it has not been, and never will be. I'll take SnK over GoT any day... I've seen a lot of people said they like those characters, I saw plenty of that on YouTube when I watch snk ova 3 on YouTube which had Marco in it. Anyways it doesn't matter. I guess you forgot about the serum? Turning into mindless titan then eat shifter and turn into a shifter. One of the traitors are most likely going to be eaten to save either Erwin or Armin. Also the chance of Armin surviving is from the serum, so we are in a situation where someone will die by the end of the arc. I can't see how Armin survive that, and I'm pretty sure the person has to be alive for it to work. But we will see. But the point I'm getting at is that the only chance of Armin surviving that is by using the serum and even that seems farfetch since no human should survive that. So I'm really interested on how you see everyone from both sides surviving this without any causality. @Sapewloth I agree that snk doesn't deserve the GOT comparison, I never once deny that, my argument was that a lot of fans do consider characters like Marco and petra for eg as important characters and that could be the reason why people compare snk to GOT, because the characters they like died, but story wise those characters weren't that important to the plot. |
keragammingJun 18, 2016 4:32 PM
| I'm fine with them killing everyone as long as Mikasa and Eren survive, though I'm still cheering for Levi. Erwin told Levi that there'd be a time in which he'd have to choose on who to use the serum on, so he might end up giving it to Armin, after all, Levi knows Erwin trusts and believes in Armin's potential. |
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| @keragamming I assumed it was more like "SnK brutally kills characters" "GOT brutally kills characters" "Therefore SnK is like GOT" "GOT kills main characters" Then somehow that idea of killing main characters is projected onto AoT even though it doesn't deserve it. A better question is - why do people talk about main character deaths as if it is a good thing? Anyone can write a story that kills off its main characters, but that alone doesn't mean much of anything. |
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| He is dead, But he will see the ocean. Eren and Mikasa will burn his body to ashes and they will scatter the ashes over the ocean. So his last wish to see the ocean is near. Armin RIP. |
FloatingIdiot said: @keragamming I assumed it was more like "SnK brutally kills characters" "GOT brutally kills characters" "Therefore SnK is like GOT" "GOT kills main characters" Then somehow that idea of killing main characters is projected onto AoT even though it doesn't deserve it. A better question is - why do people talk about main character deaths as if it is a good thing? Anyone can write a story that kills off its main characters, but that alone doesn't mean much of anything. Yes, that's true, akame ga kill also kills off its important characters, but I think it fail in that department since they were dying way too often. And wasn't developed enough. Yes any writer can kill off its main characters but most don't. So I think that's why people are impressed when a writer does pull it off and pull it off well as well. |
Gray_Ship said: Actually, the soliders were hurt by the rocks hitting them in theirs faces and crushing them, but Erwin fell earlier, so I belive it saved him from death. I am sure he isn't on his best right now, maybe even dying, but dead? Nha I don't think so. Maybe this unknown solider will find him... Mmh yeah, now that you say so I agree. And I hope so, tbh. Gray_Ship said: As to Levi, this is clearly predictable who he will save, I belive. Of course that Levi will make it, he is humanity's strongest, but humanity's strongest cannot possibly know what happened to Armin. He doesn't know if anyone in the other side is still alive, exept Eren who was watched unconcious on the top of the wall. He will never reach Aramin by time even if he knew and wanted to- and of course he doesn't- Erwin is his commander and his dearest friend. His only friend. I respected Armin for his clever plan, but sorry guys, he's done. I completely agree with everything you said. I loved Armin, and precisely because I loved him I think for him it was the best way to go. And yes, I can see Levi's choice will be to save his commander and best (or only, as you said) friend Erwin. Also, I think Levi will be just fine because he's the strongest, and I hope it's the same for Mikasa tbh... |
| I'm just going to leave this thread and see your reactions when Armin is back :) |
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| R.I.P roasted armin |
| Wow, they might actually kill both Reiner and Bertholt here and now. |
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Gray_Ship said: Lukitekato said: They might have no screen time at all but you can't deny the fact that they were impactful on the story. Can't say anything about Thomas since I probably would agree that no one cares about him. But Eren's mom, Hannes, Marco, Grisha, Frieda, Kenny all had a huge impact on the story. Like how Marco's death made Jean change, or how Kenny didn't let Levi die in that shithole. But mostly I agree with you, I don't get it why people are impressed when writers kill their main characters off. I can actually understand why people get excited about killing main characters. Sometimes the author feels he needs to show his fans that he can do whatever he wants with his story and really can kill anyone, that his fans won't get the feeling that main characters are safe. He wants HIS fans to stay in distres. I do agree that there is some kind of cleverness in a move like this one, but the author must do it properly. He must give the character a respectful death, which includes a real touching part with grace and sadness.That's what makes the death of this character meaningful and keeps the story thrilling and interesting. You cannot just kill them one by one whenever you want, because the best you can get from this way is just add to the characters death the death of the interest in you story plus the death of the appreciation from your fans. You completely defined it. People often say how they much like Game of Thrones because anyone can die anytime. I compare deaths in Game of Thrones to deaths in my favorite animes and GoT seems like shit. GoT just kills characters without proper respect and most of dead characters don't even leave an influence in the living. In animes and mangas, I have seen deaths where watching the rest of the show felt painful. I have seen deaths which made me shout. I have seen sacrifices which brought me to tears. But not in GoT. |
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