Schwarzesmarken Episode 10 Discussion

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zeroyuki92 said:

SimonLaDigger said:
I don't know bit I am liking this way more than Total Eclipse

Total Eclipse was intended as a short sidestory that will stop at the first arc. That is why you can see it has a trashy arc like that Beach Arc after that.

Then it turned out to be a powerhouse for figma sales, so they expand the story. Sadly, the foundation is already terrible, which makes even the expanded story to crumble. Compared to it, Schwarzesmarken was intended as a serious side story from the very beginning.

TE felt like it was way too much about the characters and not about the betas or idk I cant remember much about it.

Also anyonw know of the son at the end?

Mar 15, 2016 12:14 AM

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lol she died already

i hope lise was die at the end of the series and process theodor to kill lise taking some fuckin long way

Mar 15, 2016 5:33 AM

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grampower888 said:

planetwarrior said:
Everyone talks about DAT ASS AND LISE's DEATH, how about Irisdina situation?

What she gonna do next?

You are blind?
This is Lise without hair ribbon and not Irisdina.

No, that's Iris. Lise's hair is kinda curly.

Mar 15, 2016 6:30 AM

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Sad to see Lise die. Cute girls don't ever deserve to die

Mar 15, 2016 10:31 AM

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grampower888 said:

amelindabtr said:

No, that's Iris. Lise's hair is kinda curly.

No... She is Lise.

That's Iris not Lise. If you try and look properly, you can even see there's a handcuff on her hands.

Mar 15, 2016 11:13 AM

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ixarising said:

grampower888 said:

No... She is Lise.

That's Iris not Lise. If you try and look properly, you can even see there's a handcuff on her hands.

Most ppl here are correct.

Get your Portable ID!

Mar 15, 2016 12:12 PM

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Damn right that's a beautiful ass! spot on sentence. I need more of Steinhoff.
I wanted to see the head of the Behemoth leader explode but well they've covered it with flames or stuff :/

Also why is everyone chasing Axmann now? All I remember is that he initiated an attack on the embassy or HQ or something and episodes later they chase him?

planetwarrior said:
Just one step closer to his final form.

Hmm?

Mar 15, 2016 12:18 PM

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projectfear22 said:
Damn right that's a beautiful ass! spot on sentence. I need more of Steinhoff.
I wanted to see the head of the Behemoth leader explode but well they've covered it with flames or stuff :/

Also why is everyone chasing Axmann now? All I remember is that he initiated an attack on the embassy or HQ or something and episodes later they chase him?

planetwarrior said:
Just one step closer to his final form.

Hmm?

You'll see soon enough.

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Mar 15, 2016 12:22 PM

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Take a look at this.

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Mar 15, 2016 1:03 PM

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SimonLaDigger said:
I don't know bit I am liking this way more than Total Eclipse

That's because this, even if poorly paced, is actually good, while Total Eclipse was pure kitsch and the adaptation was even worse.

Mar 15, 2016 1:44 PM

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Great episode. Looks like Theodor finally killed Lise. About time. She had it coming. I'll be damned if she turns out to be alive next episode. But damn, poor civilians. Getting caught up like that....

Mar 15, 2016 4:43 PM

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grampower888 said:

planetwarrior said:

Most ppl here are correct.

Yes. She's Lise.
Yes, Lise uses your hair tie on the wrist when she is in the Stasi.'
'MAL'' is the only place that think she's Iris

MAL is the only place? Then why not try asking other sites yourself like the Muv-Luv Wiki. I'm sure they'll tell you it's Iris not Lise as well.

Mar 15, 2016 6:09 PM

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ixarising said:
MAL is the only place? Then why not try asking other sites yourself like the Muv-Luv Wiki. I'm sure they'll tell you it's Iris not Lise as well.

I have done.
everyone has the same opinion is Lise.
why do not you try?

Mar 15, 2016 6:27 PM

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That is not Lise.... you want proof? Look at Lise hair and notice how it diverges right about in her neck, look at the other girls, it doesn;t

Mar 15, 2016 6:42 PM

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grampower888 said:
Light novel:

Lise side story from Schwarzesmarken Requiem vol 2

Lise end - Schwarzesmarken - vol.5 - Anime - Episodes 9 and 10

At the end of volume 5, all the 666 squadron gets arrested by the stasi, except for Theo and Katia who manages to escape, along with Gretel who I think was in Berlin at the time. Theo's Mig 21 get shot down during the escape, and then he along with Katia wander in a forest until Gretel finds them along with the rebels. They move to the rebels headquarters and meet General Heim, the leader there. After this Theo goes to rescue the members of the squadron after getting information about were they were held. He finds everyone there except for Irisdina, whose whereabouts is unknown at the time. Even though he made it in time before the stasi killed anyone of the squadron, they were all exhausted from torture; Walter had his bones freakin folded, and pham lost all her back tooth. After freeing them, they start escaping, but Lise finds them and tries to stop them, were after Theodore engages her in a fight. In this fight, Pham tries to make the siblings stop fighting, however apparently Lise gets annoyed by this, and her response was shooting her with a 36mm round, which blew the upper half of Pham's body. At the end, theodore successfully defeats Lise in his Mig-21, and she is then taken in by the rebels.

They go back to the base and start questioning Lise, which then leads to the rebels asking Theodore to execute Lise himself.
A bound Lise was ranting about how Theodor should go over to the dark side, in a room filled with other people of the rebellion. Theodor finally accepted that she was too broken and twisted, and after hugging her, put his gun to her head, and squeezed...
Her last words when she was temporally in a lucid state of mind, were "Therefore, forget me... Absolutely, do not remember me. Because this dog of the Stasi, does not exist..."

Meanwhile katia was headed to were the execution was to try and stop it, but was too late as she heard the gunshot from a distance, at which she crumbled to the ground. Now in command of the 666th TSF squadron, Gretel has a conversation with Annette telling her that Theo had no choice but to kill his sister if he wanted to stay and fight with the rebels, as they suspected him of collaborating with the stasi, since his sister was an agent after all. Theodore meanwhile all alone in a room, apparently breaking down from the fact the he shot Lise, and during this Katia shows up to try and help him. She tried and talking to him in order to make him keep going on, and I think she mentioned that she loves him. He almost attacked Katia and wheeped, and she embraced him. After this, encouraged by Katia, Theodore, Gretel, and Annette move out to rescue Irisdina after they learned her whereabouts from Lise, with Theodore being very determined to not let her die. Walter and Sylvia stayed in the base since they were too injured to fight from the torture.

Even after Pham dies, they called him a traitor he really had no option left for Lise. Either she saves her becomes a traitor (which I guess is what Lise wanted, that why she can persuade them to join Stasis) which result in their deaths really. I don't think they would have taken a gamble like that anymore. Even in stasis they don't take Lise seriously because of her brother. Or kills her right there and then. That is it no real options to avoid her death.

Lise was broken beyond repair, we saw this in the battle. "in all these three years, I have learn you can't escape stasis" so in a way she does fear them enough she won't leave them. In a way, her fighting for Stasis was kinda of protecting him because at least she had some leverage over them just focusing on killing him or capturing him. If she fights for them, they will leave him alone and let her take care of him.

But can we agree in their last fight she did tried to kill him?

Mar 15, 2016 7:07 PM

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SimonLaDigger said:

But can we agree in their last fight she did tried to kill him?

I don't think she was mentally stable or sane at that point to comprehend what she was doing anyway.

Mar 15, 2016 7:10 PM

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grampower888 said:

ixarising said:
MAL is the only place? Then why not try asking other sites yourself like the Muv-Luv Wiki. I'm sure they'll tell you it's Iris not Lise as well.

I have done.
everyone has the same opinion is Lise.
why do not you try?

You asked? Where is your post then? I have a wikia account and i never even see you post in Muv-Luv Wikia at all.

Mar 15, 2016 9:01 PM

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Lise was so broken, this was the only real way to save her. Rest in peace.

"Fortress Maximus has come himself. Okay! Then I shall get Fortress Maximus to fight me, huh huh huh!"

Mar 16, 2016 4:56 AM

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ixarising said:

You asked? Where is your post then? I have a wikia account and i never even see you post in Muv-Luv Wikia at all.[/quote]

SimonLaDigger said:
That is not Lise.... you want proof? Look at Lise hair and notice how it diverges right about in her neck, look at the other girls, it doesn;t

better stop to discuss, because 100% confirmed that is Lise after bathing before the battle.

grampower888Mar 16, 2016 5:57 AM

Mar 16, 2016 7:22 AM

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planetwarrior said:
Take a look at this.

Not Latina though. Would he still approve?

Feeling Down?
Healing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXr0L4pOnV8
Soothing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT3o_BBH61c
Interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UpZnSjMko4
Female? Gotcha covered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8cOqzku9zA
...yeah

Mar 16, 2016 9:18 AM

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grampower888 said:

ixarising said:

You asked? Where is your post then? I have a wikia account and i never even see you post in Muv-Luv Wikia at all.

SimonLaDigger said:
That is not Lise.... you want proof? Look at Lise hair and notice how it diverges right about in her neck, look at the other girls, it doesn;t

better stop to discuss, because 100% confirmed that is Lise after bathing before the battle.

[/quote]

See Episode 8 again then, go to the part where Beatrix and Irisdina are talking. That's Iris, she hasn't even changed her clothing.

Mar 16, 2016 11:21 AM

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Next ep will show IRIS BAYBEE!!!

Mar 16, 2016 4:27 PM

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Theodor is a fucking idiot! He should NOT had killed his step-sister! 666th TSF Squadron will eventually kill him off. If he had a choice, he could had joined the Werewolf Battalion!

Mar 16, 2016 5:50 PM

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Mikaz3Laft said:
Theodor is a fucking idiot! He should NOT had killed his step-sister! 666th TSF Squadron will eventually kill him off. If he had a choice, he could had joined the Werewolf Battalion!

If this was the VN, then that would be a viable, possibly even great choice, but seeing as how the anime has characterized the Werewolves, he'd be a complete imbecile to take that option.

Mar 16, 2016 7:43 PM

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Mikaz3Laft said:
Theodor is a fucking idiot! He should NOT had killed his step-sister! 666th TSF Squadron will eventually kill him off. If he had a choice, he could had joined the Werewolf Battalion!

The TSF will not kill him off because he has proven to t hem that he is loyal to them in the form of killing his sister. They know they cant win with out him.

Tell us, why shouldn't he killed his sister?

Mar 16, 2016 8:52 PM

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I hate Lise since the last fest episodes, but recently I've found her story, i mean what happened to her when she was captured by Stasi, i actually feel really bad for her :( But she didn't had a choice, they forced her to obey them and be their slave, that's why she did not trust anyone, if she tried to trust her brother, he would have saved her.
I know she was a bit** but she didn't had any other chance, so i feel very bad for her, she didn't deserve to die, but there wasn't any other option.
R.I.P Lise.

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Mar 16, 2016 9:14 PM

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grampower888 said:
Light novel:

Lise side story from Schwarzesmarken Requiem vol 2

Lise end - Schwarzesmarken - vol.5 - Anime - Episodes 9 and 10

At the end of volume 5, all the 666 squadron gets arrested by the stasi, except for Theo and Katia who manages to escape, along with Gretel who I think was in Berlin at the time. Theo's Mig 21 get shot down during the escape, and then he along with Katia wander in a forest until Gretel finds them along with the rebels. They move to the rebels headquarters and meet General Heim, the leader there. After this Theo goes to rescue the members of the squadron after getting information about were they were held. He finds everyone there except for Irisdina, whose whereabouts is unknown at the time. Even though he made it in time before the stasi killed anyone of the squadron, they were all exhausted from torture; Walter had his bones freakin folded, and pham lost all her back tooth. After freeing them, they start escaping, but Lise finds them and tries to stop them, were after Theodore engages her in a fight. In this fight, Pham tries to make the siblings stop fighting, however apparently Lise gets annoyed by this, and her response was shooting her with a 36mm round, which blew the upper half of Pham's body. At the end, theodore successfully defeats Lise in his Mig-21, and she is then taken in by the rebels.

They go back to the base and start questioning Lise, which then leads to the rebels asking Theodore to execute Lise himself.
A bound Lise was ranting about how Theodor should go over to the dark side, in a room filled with other people of the rebellion. Theodor finally accepted that she was too broken and twisted, and after hugging her, put his gun to her head, and squeezed...
Her last words when she was temporally in a lucid state of mind, were "Therefore, forget me... Absolutely, do not remember me. Because this dog of the Stasi, does not exist..."

Meanwhile katia was headed to were the execution was to try and stop it, but was too late as she heard the gunshot from a distance, at which she crumbled to the ground. Now in command of the 666th TSF squadron, Gretel has a conversation with Annette telling her that Theo had no choice but to kill his sister if he wanted to stay and fight with the rebels, as they suspected him of collaborating with the stasi, since his sister was an agent after all. Theodore meanwhile all alone in a room, apparently breaking down from the fact the he shot Lise, and during this Katia shows up to try and help him. She tried and talking to him in order to make him keep going on, and I think she mentioned that she loves him. He almost attacked Katia and wheeped, and she embraced him. After this, encouraged by Katia, Theodore, Gretel, and Annette move out to rescue Irisdina after they learned her whereabouts from Lise, with Theodore being very determined to not let her die. Walter and Sylvia stayed in the base since they were too injured to fight from the torture.

Oh my god these last words... I'm dying. "Her last words when she was temporally in a lucid state of mind, were "Therefore, forget me... Absolutely, do not remember me. Because this dog of the Stasi, does not exist..."

Ahhh maybe I should watch some dumb slice of life where a girl like Lise isn't crushed by the hammer and sickle secret agents.

Sure she was evil/insane but she really had no alternatives . RIP Lise D=

Mar 16, 2016 10:15 PM

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You don't see questions like this pop up too many times in life......

How a Loli can tell that she is all grown up and can go to war.......

Mar 17, 2016 1:12 AM

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What a sad story of Lise and Theodor, especially for all that Lise suffered by his beloved brother, even getting angry at her at times, I still liked her as a character, this scene with the sound of the shot will be marked for me, I want to see how Theodor act from now on, I expect a great revenge against all that prejudiram his sister, missing only two episodes, I expect a great end to this anime, which in my opinion is among the best of the season ..

Mar 17, 2016 10:15 AM

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I never expected that but okay at least he put her out of her misery !!

Mar 17, 2016 11:48 PM

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fimbu1vetr said:

grampower888 said:
Light novel:

Lise side story from Schwarzesmarken Requiem vol 2

Lise end - Schwarzesmarken - vol.5 - Anime - Episodes 9 and 10

At the end of volume 5, all the 666 squadron gets arrested by the stasi, except for Theo and Katia who manages to escape, along with Gretel who I think was in Berlin at the time. Theo's Mig 21 get shot down during the escape, and then he along with Katia wander in a forest until Gretel finds them along with the rebels. They move to the rebels headquarters and meet General Heim, the leader there. After this Theo goes to rescue the members of the squadron after getting information about were they were held. He finds everyone there except for Irisdina, whose whereabouts is unknown at the time. Even though he made it in time before the stasi killed anyone of the squadron, they were all exhausted from torture; Walter had his bones freakin folded, and pham lost all her back tooth. After freeing them, they start escaping, but Lise finds them and tries to stop them, were after Theodore engages her in a fight. In this fight, Pham tries to make the siblings stop fighting, however apparently Lise gets annoyed by this, and her response was shooting her with a 36mm round, which blew the upper half of Pham's body. At the end, theodore successfully defeats Lise in his Mig-21, and she is then taken in by the rebels.

They go back to the base and start questioning Lise, which then leads to the rebels asking Theodore to execute Lise himself.
A bound Lise was ranting about how Theodor should go over to the dark side, in a room filled with other people of the rebellion. Theodor finally accepted that she was too broken and twisted, and after hugging her, put his gun to her head, and squeezed...
Her last words when she was temporally in a lucid state of mind, were "Therefore, forget me... Absolutely, do not remember me. Because this dog of the Stasi, does not exist..."

Meanwhile katia was headed to were the execution was to try and stop it, but was too late as she heard the gunshot from a distance, at which she crumbled to the ground. Now in command of the 666th TSF squadron, Gretel has a conversation with Annette telling her that Theo had no choice but to kill his sister if he wanted to stay and fight with the rebels, as they suspected him of collaborating with the stasi, since his sister was an agent after all. Theodore meanwhile all alone in a room, apparently breaking down from the fact the he shot Lise, and during this Katia shows up to try and help him. She tried and talking to him in order to make him keep going on, and I think she mentioned that she loves him. He almost attacked Katia and wheeped, and she embraced him. After this, encouraged by Katia, Theodore, Gretel, and Annette move out to rescue Irisdina after they learned her whereabouts from Lise, with Theodore being very determined to not let her die. Walter and Sylvia stayed in the base since they were too injured to fight from the torture.

Oh my god these last words... I'm dying. "Her last words when she was temporally in a lucid state of mind, were "Therefore, forget me... Absolutely, do not remember me. Because this dog of the Stasi, does not exist..."

Ahhh maybe I should watch some dumb slice of life where a girl like Lise isn't crushed by the hammer and sickle secret agents.

Sure she was evil/insane but she really had no alternatives . RIP Lise D=

SimonLaDigger said:

grampower888 said:
Light novel:

Lise side story from Schwarzesmarken Requiem vol 2

Lise end - Schwarzesmarken - vol.5 - Anime - Episodes 9 and 10

At the end of volume 5, all the 666 squadron gets arrested by the stasi, except for Theo and Katia who manages to escape, along with Gretel who I think was in Berlin at the time. Theo's Mig 21 get shot down during the escape, and then he along with Katia wander in a forest until Gretel finds them along with the rebels. They move to the rebels headquarters and meet General Heim, the leader there. After this Theo goes to rescue the members of the squadron after getting information about were they were held. He finds everyone there except for Irisdina, whose whereabouts is unknown at the time. Even though he made it in time before the stasi killed anyone of the squadron, they were all exhausted from torture; Walter had his bones freakin folded, and pham lost all her back tooth. After freeing them, they start escaping, but Lise finds them and tries to stop them, were after Theodore engages her in a fight. In this fight, Pham tries to make the siblings stop fighting, however apparently Lise gets annoyed by this, and her response was shooting her with a 36mm round, which blew the upper half of Pham's body. At the end, theodore successfully defeats Lise in his Mig-21, and she is then taken in by the rebels.

They go back to the base and start questioning Lise, which then leads to the rebels asking Theodore to execute Lise himself.
A bound Lise was ranting about how Theodor should go over to the dark side, in a room filled with other people of the rebellion. Theodor finally accepted that she was too broken and twisted, and after hugging her, put his gun to her head, and squeezed...
Her last words when she was temporally in a lucid state of mind, were "Therefore, forget me... Absolutely, do not remember me. Because this dog of the Stasi, does not exist..."

Meanwhile katia was headed to were the execution was to try and stop it, but was too late as she heard the gunshot from a distance, at which she crumbled to the ground. Now in command of the 666th TSF squadron, Gretel has a conversation with Annette telling her that Theo had no choice but to kill his sister if he wanted to stay and fight with the rebels, as they suspected him of collaborating with the stasi, since his sister was an agent after all. Theodore meanwhile all alone in a room, apparently breaking down from the fact the he shot Lise, and during this Katia shows up to try and help him. She tried and talking to him in order to make him keep going on, and I think she mentioned that she loves him. He almost attacked Katia and wheeped, and she embraced him. After this, encouraged by Katia, Theodore, Gretel, and Annette move out to rescue Irisdina after they learned her whereabouts from Lise, with Theodore being very determined to not let her die. Walter and Sylvia stayed in the base since they were too injured to fight from the torture.

Even after Pham dies, they called him a traitor he really had no option left for Lise. Either she saves her becomes a traitor (which I guess is what Lise wanted, that why she can persuade them to join Stasis) which result in their deaths really. I don't think they would have taken a gamble like that anymore. Even in stasis they don't take Lise seriously because of her brother. Or kills her right there and then. That is it no real options to avoid her death.

Lise was broken beyond repair, we saw this in the battle. "in all these three years, I have learn you can't escape stasis" so in a way she does fear them enough she won't leave them. In a way, her fighting for Stasis was kinda of protecting him because at least she had some leverage over them just focusing on killing him or capturing him. If she fights for them, they will leave him alone and let her take care of him.

But can we agree in their last fight she did tried to kill him?

Lise was broken by the stasi? yes, but Axmann never told to Lise, that he would hurt or kill Theo. She didn't do anything because she wanted something for her brother, actually it was for the shame of being exposed by Axmann and the photos/videos of her being raped, he push Lise to be a crazy bitch by using those things as bargain chip (obviously showing them to theo).

Mar 18, 2016 12:44 AM

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grampower888 said:

fimbu1vetr said:

grampower888 said:
Light novel:

Lise side story from Schwarzesmarken Requiem vol 2

Lise end - Schwarzesmarken - vol.5 - Anime - Episodes 9 and 10

At the end of volume 5, all the 666 squadron gets arrested by the stasi, except for Theo and Katia who manages to escape, along with Gretel who I think was in Berlin at the time. Theo's Mig 21 get shot down during the escape, and then he along with Katia wander in a forest until Gretel finds them along with the rebels. They move to the rebels headquarters and meet General Heim, the leader there. After this Theo goes to rescue the members of the squadron after getting information about were they were held. He finds everyone there except for Irisdina, whose whereabouts is unknown at the time. Even though he made it in time before the stasi killed anyone of the squadron, they were all exhausted from torture; Walter had his bones freakin folded, and pham lost all her back tooth. After freeing them, they start escaping, but Lise finds them and tries to stop them, were after Theodore engages her in a fight. In this fight, Pham tries to make the siblings stop fighting, however apparently Lise gets annoyed by this, and her response was shooting her with a 36mm round, which blew the upper half of Pham's body. At the end, theodore successfully defeats Lise in his Mig-21, and she is then taken in by the rebels.

They go back to the base and start questioning Lise, which then leads to the rebels asking Theodore to execute Lise himself.
A bound Lise was ranting about how Theodor should go over to the dark side, in a room filled with other people of the rebellion. Theodor finally accepted that she was too broken and twisted, and after hugging her, put his gun to her head, and squeezed...
Her last words when she was temporally in a lucid state of mind, were "Therefore, forget me... Absolutely, do not remember me. Because this dog of the Stasi, does not exist..."

Meanwhile katia was headed to were the execution was to try and stop it, but was too late as she heard the gunshot from a distance, at which she crumbled to the ground. Now in command of the 666th TSF squadron, Gretel has a conversation with Annette telling her that Theo had no choice but to kill his sister if he wanted to stay and fight with the rebels, as they suspected him of collaborating with the stasi, since his sister was an agent after all. Theodore meanwhile all alone in a room, apparently breaking down from the fact the he shot Lise, and during this Katia shows up to try and help him. She tried and talking to him in order to make him keep going on, and I think she mentioned that she loves him. He almost attacked Katia and wheeped, and she embraced him. After this, encouraged by Katia, Theodore, Gretel, and Annette move out to rescue Irisdina after they learned her whereabouts from Lise, with Theodore being very determined to not let her die. Walter and Sylvia stayed in the base since they were too injured to fight from the torture.

Oh my god these last words... I'm dying. "Her last words when she was temporally in a lucid state of mind, were "Therefore, forget me... Absolutely, do not remember me. Because this dog of the Stasi, does not exist..."

Ahhh maybe I should watch some dumb slice of life where a girl like Lise isn't crushed by the hammer and sickle secret agents.

Sure she was evil/insane but she really had no alternatives . RIP Lise D=

SimonLaDigger said:

grampower888 said:
Light novel:

Lise side story from Schwarzesmarken Requiem vol 2

Lise end - Schwarzesmarken - vol.5 - Anime - Episodes 9 and 10

At the end of volume 5, all the 666 squadron gets arrested by the stasi, except for Theo and Katia who manages to escape, along with Gretel who I think was in Berlin at the time. Theo's Mig 21 get shot down during the escape, and then he along with Katia wander in a forest until Gretel finds them along with the rebels. They move to the rebels headquarters and meet General Heim, the leader there. After this Theo goes to rescue the members of the squadron after getting information about were they were held. He finds everyone there except for Irisdina, whose whereabouts is unknown at the time. Even though he made it in time before the stasi killed anyone of the squadron, they were all exhausted from torture; Walter had his bones freakin folded, and pham lost all her back tooth. After freeing them, they start escaping, but Lise finds them and tries to stop them, were after Theodore engages her in a fight. In this fight, Pham tries to make the siblings stop fighting, however apparently Lise gets annoyed by this, and her response was shooting her with a 36mm round, which blew the upper half of Pham's body. At the end, theodore successfully defeats Lise in his Mig-21, and she is then taken in by the rebels.

They go back to the base and start questioning Lise, which then leads to the rebels asking Theodore to execute Lise himself.
A bound Lise was ranting about how Theodor should go over to the dark side, in a room filled with other people of the rebellion. Theodor finally accepted that she was too broken and twisted, and after hugging her, put his gun to her head, and squeezed...
Her last words when she was temporally in a lucid state of mind, were "Therefore, forget me... Absolutely, do not remember me. Because this dog of the Stasi, does not exist..."

Meanwhile katia was headed to were the execution was to try and stop it, but was too late as she heard the gunshot from a distance, at which she crumbled to the ground. Now in command of the 666th TSF squadron, Gretel has a conversation with Annette telling her that Theo had no choice but to kill his sister if he wanted to stay and fight with the rebels, as they suspected him of collaborating with the stasi, since his sister was an agent after all. Theodore meanwhile all alone in a room, apparently breaking down from the fact the he shot Lise, and during this Katia shows up to try and help him. She tried and talking to him in order to make him keep going on, and I think she mentioned that she loves him. He almost attacked Katia and wheeped, and she embraced him. After this, encouraged by Katia, Theodore, Gretel, and Annette move out to rescue Irisdina after they learned her whereabouts from Lise, with Theodore being very determined to not let her die. Walter and Sylvia stayed in the base since they were too injured to fight from the torture.

Even after Pham dies, they called him a traitor he really had no option left for Lise. Either she saves her becomes a traitor (which I guess is what Lise wanted, that why she can persuade them to join Stasis) which result in their deaths really. I don't think they would have taken a gamble like that anymore. Even in stasis they don't take Lise seriously because of her brother. Or kills her right there and then. That is it no real options to avoid her death.

Lise was broken beyond repair, we saw this in the battle. "in all these three years, I have learn you can't escape stasis" so in a way she does fear them enough she won't leave them. In a way, her fighting for Stasis was kinda of protecting him because at least she had some leverage over them just focusing on killing him or capturing him. If she fights for them, they will leave him alone and let her take care of him.

But can we agree in their last fight she did tried to kill him?

Lise was broken by the stasi? yes, but Axmann never told to Lise, that he would hurt or kill Theo. She didn't do anything because she wanted something for her brother, actually it was for the shame of being exposed by Axmann and the photos/videos of her being raped, he push Lise to be a crazy bitch by using those things as bargain chip (obviously showing them to theo).

Yes they did, she told them of everything of the deflection plan

Mar 18, 2016 1:13 AM

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SimonLaDigger said:
.Yes they did, she told them of everything of the deflection plan

only in the anime.

Episode 9 - end stretch is anime original content - Lise should have been captured by the rebels, After killing Pham and be defeated by Theo.
Episode 10 - 100% anime original content - The battle in the city does not exist / Lise's death's different.

At no time Lise reveals his past to Theo in light novel.

Mar 18, 2016 1:16 AM

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so which is canon to us then?

Mar 18, 2016 1:48 AM

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SimonLaDigger said:
so which is canon to us then?

Schwarzesmarken's a normal anime.
but it's not canon to franchise

Mar 18, 2016 12:29 PM

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He should NOT had KILLED HIS ADOPTIVE OLDER SISTER because she cares about him! I don't see any incest in this show. And about Circe's ass, I'll touch dat booty!

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Mar 18, 2016 7:02 PM

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grampower888 said:

SimonLaDigger said:
so which is canon to us then?

Schwarzesmarken's a normal anime.
but it's not canon to franchise

The anime, the visual novel however is clearly cannon.
I'm hoping they reveal this in the after credits.

Mar 18, 2016 8:16 PM

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StormVanguard said:

grampower888 said:

Schwarzesmarken's a normal anime.
but it's not canon to franchise

The anime, the visual novel however is clearly cannon.
I'm hoping they reveal this in the after credits.

Yep. VN meets Copyright requirements.

Mikaz3Laft said:
He should NOT had KILLED HIS ADOPTIVE OLDER SISTER because she cares about him! I don't see any incest in this show. And about Circe's ass, I'll touch dat booty!

Lise's the younger sister
Lise was broken by the stasi? yes, but Axmann never told to Lise, that he would hurt or kill Theo. She didn't do anything because she wanted something for her brother, She wanted to give her first time to her brothe, actually it was for the shame of being exposed by Axmann and the photos/videos of her being raped, he push Lise to be a crazy bitch by using those things as bargain chip (obviously showing them to theo).

Lise is lower than your hentai NTR heroine!!!

Release all the Stasi files for scientific purposes.

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I know she was bat-crazy, but that sure was sad. God...

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Mar 20, 2016 3:15 AM

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Theo please! 1 shot? seriously?
is that hollow point bullet?

on the technical detail, i don't know the spec of TSF, which is better? 666's TSF or Black wolf Squad's TSF...
the battle scene was annoying!!!

Mar 20, 2016 7:07 AM

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opiktea said:
Theo please! 1 shot? seriously?
is that hollow point bullet?

on the technical detail, i don't know the spec of TSF, which is better? 666's TSF or Black wolf Squad's TSF...
the battle scene was annoying!!!

666's TSF ---> MiG-21
wolf Squad's TSF ---> MiG-23

Mar 20, 2016 7:54 AM

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Mikaz3Laft said:
He should NOT had KILLED HIS ADOPTIVE OLDER SISTER because she cares about him! I don't see any incest in this show. And about Circe's ass, I'll touch dat booty!

Lise is the younger sister.Theodor only decided to kill her after seeing how broken she is. Letting her live in her current state is a form of torture too. Besides, even if Theodor doesn't kill her, others will. Might as well have her die at her family's hand rather than enemy's hand.

Mar 20, 2016 9:06 AM

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grampower888 said:

opiktea said:
Theo please! 1 shot? seriously?
is that hollow point bullet?

on the technical detail, i don't know the spec of TSF, which is better? 666's TSF or Black wolf Squad's TSF...
the battle scene was annoying!!!

666's TSF ---> MiG-21
wolf Squad's TSF ---> MiG-23

Thanks dude!
That means Theo sucks!!

Mar 20, 2016 9:37 AM

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opiktea said:

grampower888 said:

666's TSF ---> MiG-21
wolf Squad's TSF ---> MiG-23

Thanks dude!
That means Theo sucks!!

Theo is piloting a MiG-21 which is of a lower spec than Lise's MiG-23...

Mar 20, 2016 5:02 PM

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Lise died I couldn't be happier

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