| So... What does make a good adaptation? Does following the source material word by word makes the adaptation good? does skipping a few stuff makes it worst? does adding a few new things to the adaptation ruin it? Shouldn't an adaptation have more freedom to explore/present stuff that the source material can't? Does a slow pace really kills it? Does a fast pace really ruin it? So... what do you guys think? |
TyrelFeb 11, 2016 4:54 AM
| If it's a good show on it's own, then it's a good adaptation. No rule of thumb besides that. A good adaptation doesn't have to be 1-to-1 copy paste. Just do whatever helps translate the story better on-screen. |
gedataSep 24, 2014 8:34 AM
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| Well, a good adaption is a panel to panel adaption, with minimal changes to increase the flow of the story or 'camera' angles that might be impossible to adapt 1:1 from the manga. Of course overall quality of the directing, the sound, the VAs, the animation and the music make everything better, also adaptions. Not the same as a good anime though. |
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| Follow most of the manga + good pacing (not too fast or slow - doesn't rush but doesn't drag on) + good soundtrack + good animation + good voices = good adaption. :3 For example, the manga of Tokyo Ghoul is amazing but the anime adaption could've been so much better. It skipped so much and was too quick and missed a lot of the detail within the manga. |
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| The most important thing about the adaptation is pacing. It's fine to cut out bits, or not complete the story in a single season, but when you cut out too much of the original material the story becomes muddled, the plot unclear, and the characters appear boring and bland and the explanations inadequate. Sure, adaptations should feel free to explore and present stuff the source material can't, but at least make sure it doesn't conflict or omit an excessive amount of the original material enough to kill the story. (I'm looking at you, FSN & SAO) |
moonnya said: What?make an episode 8 times |
Okashi--chan said: moonnya said: What?make an episode 8 times Endless Eight. |
Okashi--chan said: I think he is referring to the endless eight.moonnya said: What?make an episode 8 times |
| Oh yeah. forgot about the endless eight. |
| Well most of the time I would say that a good adaptations is something which fallows original source closely and shows all important points, don't skip to much etc. Of course there are exceptions. For example Elfen Lied. Personally I find anime much to be much better than manga especially the ending. |
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| A good adaptation is something that has to be exactly the same storywise and characterwise. The show can still be bad but it will be a good adaptation if the manga/visual novel itself is bad aswell. |
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| Competent writers help. Sadly this medium doesn't have many of them. |
| god tier: good enough to effectively replace the source material good enough to convince you to read the source material good tier: complete adaptations satisfying ending offer a different take on the source material, especially in the art direction (aku no hana, shaft adaptations) episodic series in general capture the general feel and key points&ideas of the game it's based on give every girl a chance to shine for dating sims/VNs meh tier: incomplete adaptations dating sim/vn where 1 girl gets all the spotlight when this wasn't the case in the original "ruined by too much fanservice" bad tier: having a shitty ending cutting key points from the source material too much pointless anime original content bad pacing, like 20 manga pages in 20 minutes it was kinda hyped, but then everyone forgot about it worst tier: lowering the general opinion people have of the franchise decrease in sales for the source material |
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JD2411 said: something that stays faithful to the source material |
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| Stays faithful to the source, but that doesn't automatically make it a good anime. |
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JD2411 said: but does adding a few things or exploring some stuff that the source material didn't, wouldn't make it good?something that stays faithful to the source material |
Okashi--chan said: It probably wouldmake the show better, but then it isn't faithful to its source material which would make it a bad adaptation.JD2411 said: but does adding a few things or exploring some stuff that the source material didn't, wouldn't make it good?something that stays faithful to the source material |
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| A bad one is one that doesn't make changes to suit the new medium. Strictly following the Manga won't necessarily make a good Anime. Same with Video Games. |
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romagia said: give every girl a chance to shine for dating sims/VNs i'm still waiting for an anime to do this. |
| What does make a good topic title op? |
sullynathanSep 24, 2014 5:52 PM
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sullynathan said: What does make a good topic sentence op? idk, enlighten me. |
| I think pretty much per definition it should be faithful to the source material. Yes, you can make it a good anime even without doing so, but if you do so by doing some original version, then it's not a "good adaptation", it's just a good anime. Okashi--chan said: this exists you know, it's called Omnibusromagia said: give every girl a chance to shine for dating sims/VNs i'm still waiting for an anime to do this. |
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| i think it depends honestly. like, if youre adapting something more character based that doesnt have some big overarching story, i think its fine to add or remove a few things as long as you reeeallly really stay true to the characters. like a harem anime or something. but if youre adapting something more plot based, i think you should pretty much stick to it word for word. like monster. |
FIREF0X said: Competent writers help. Sadly this medium doesn't have many of them. That's because they are underpaid just like animators in the industry. |
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| Good writing, faithful to the Source material and pacing. |
simonephone said: i think you should pretty much stick to it word for word. like monster. yeah man, I mean pacing, who cares about that crap? |
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gedata said: simonephone said: i think you should pretty much stick to it word for word. like monster. yeah man, I mean pacing, who cares about that crap? Never had a problem with Monster's pacing. |
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insan3soldiern said: gedata said: yeah man, I mean pacing, who cares about that crap? Never had a problem with Monster's pacing. Not trying to call out Monster's pacing specifically, but I can't help but feel that people who demand that an adaptation must laboriously show each and every panel of the manga, or line of dialogue from the VN/LN, don't get that source material pacing doesn't always line up well with that of an anime's. This mostly has to do with not cutting enough useless exposition. |
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| it's give correct impression for original source. just that. they can change it or do whatever they want as long when you watch anime and read original source, it's still give same feelings and don't feel something left misunderstood. |
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| It needs to be faithful to the source material and not do stuff that fucks up the story. However, it shouldn't just be moving manga, it should be unique in it's own right. If they decide to make major changes to the story, they just need to be not shit at writing, because that's how you get masterpieces like FMA. |
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Onii-chan said: what I would stop reading manga if every anime adaption is as exact as that mirai nikkiNot a carbon copy of the original source. |
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| First and foremost, faithfulness to the source. Second, you need the competence to be able to transfer a story from book to film. Anime and manga have different standards of what is considered good storytelling. Manga tells stories through words and panels. Anime tells stories through camera angles, sound, movement, and color. A 1:1 adaptation isn't always a good thing; some changes are necessary. Third, pace the work. If you fail at pacing, then you've failed at everything else. |
RemeM said: it's already exist, it's called original anime, lOl.I want my adaptations to say "fuck the source" and do something else. I enjoy it when a creative team has the balls to not care about the source they're adapting from and go all out. |
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RemeM said: anime always been ads for original source since long time ago. incomplite adaptation is nothing new. and no, it's not even those short ova. it's just recently series that become soo stright-out about it. so ads = bad kinda exagrated since mean every incomplite adaptation is outstright bad. Kuma said: Almost every adaptation over the past few years has been marketing and advertising for source material. In other words, they were shit.it's already exist, it's called original anime, lOl. If you consider skewed adaptations to be original anime, then I'll happily take the latter. as for original anime, there is something good, then there is aldnoah zero. so in the end, it's depend on execution. ads just more safe bet than original. and that's it. |
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omfgplzstop said: if it correctly represents/captures the narrative, atmosphere, concept and ideas of the original work it's a good adaptation. how good of an adaptation it is varies from work to work. something like fma 2003 may be considered a good anime, but it isn't a good adaptation. The source material wasn't complete though .After a point there wasn't anything to adapt . |
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RemeM said: There is also no objective criteria to prove that adaptations are more of a safe bet than original anime, so there's literally zero room to argue there. Huh? there is. Sale statistics. There is a reason why most anime are adaptations and not original works. |
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gedata said: If it's a good show on it's own, then it's a good adaptation. No rule of thumb besides that. A good adaptation doesn't have to be 1-to-1 copy paste. Just do whatever helps translate the story better on-screen. This! A show does not have to be 100% like the manga to be good. People who say that are extremely narrow-minded |
| One Punch Man Manga --> Anime Adaptation, one thing that I notice was the studio that produced them - Mad House. Sorry but I maybe stereotypical here (so help me out xD) but when it comes to producing anime series, I love the way how they animate the show itself. Now the question is, What if One Punch Man were to be animated by Toei Animation? Will it still have the same animation compared to Mad House? Who knows |
RemeM said: actually.. There is also no objective criteria to prove that adaptations are more of a safe bet than original anime, so there's literally zero room to argue there. i copy pasted the someanithing data for 2010-2015 anime sales into excel, and original anime sold more on average than non-original anime average = 5621.574405 original = 7255.365854 novel = 6920.95302 manga = 4149.831746 visual novel = 8005.170732 everything except original = 5255.533698 there are many other factors to consider, but still pretty interesting |
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| Religiously following the source material and not trying to be a writer. The mangaka does that. Let's leave it to him/her. |
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