| Was wondering which side you all were on. Do you believe that magic exists and Beato's the culprit? Or are all the murders done by humans and magic does not exist? |
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| All done by humans, however I won't deny the witches and magic truly does exist, however it doesn't have anything to do with the murders. |
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| I used to be Anti-Fantasy but I think I'm starting to change sides. |
| Lol, 4 anti-mystery, 4 anti-fantasy, and 4 can't decide right now. Anyway, I used to go anti-mystery but I changed my mind recently. So, I go with anti-fantasy. (sorry Beato :P) |
| Anti-Mystery, 'cause I find it more interesting this way :P |
nason07 said: I don't want to deny Beato (I like her character). :P But, because I like Battler's character (and his strange theories) too, I can't (fully) accept magic. However, I'm really curious how a human could have done it. I think I'm on both sides, or I guess I'm just stuck between them XD But if I had to choose, I would pick Anti-Fantasy because I like thinking about closed room mysteries/theories even more :P Pretty much what I think as well. The only difference, is that if I had to choose, I'd probably pick Anti-Mystery, because I hate overthinking theories and all that stuff. >.< I'd rather just explain it all with magic (Also, I like Beato more =D) :3. |
| Voted for anit-fantasy, cos of |
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| Obviously both are true there's a reality of Beatrice killing people with magic, and there's the reality where the Ushiromiya are insane mass-murderers. So neither side is wrong. Therefore I am anti-mystery, in support of Our Lady Beatrice, |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Obviously both are true there's a reality of Beatrice killing people with magic, and there's the reality where the Ushiromiya are insane mass-murderers. So neither side is wrong. Therefore I am anti-mystery, in support of Our Lady Beatrice, My thoughts exactly! XD Beato exists I tell you! D8< But I still cant wait to see what is true! <3 |
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nason07 said: I don't want to deny Beato (I like her character). :P But, because I like Battler's character (and his strange theories) too, I can't (fully) accept magic. However, I'm really curious how a human could have done it. I think I'm on both sides, or I guess I'm just stuck between them XD But if I had to choose, I would pick Anti-Fantasy because I like thinking about closed room mysteries/theories even more :P Me too. I think that they both fit because they're intertwine so closely. Its hard see how a person could have done that without the help of magick. However, I know that 1 or 2 people could have done it without magick & that magick is capable of doing it as well. So I'm on both sides. |
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| i'll go with anti-mistery i really want to see how a human can do all these murders, but i'm more interested in the fantasy aspect |
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| Started as anti-mystery. 2nd episode: anti-fantasy. 3rd episode: anti-mystery. 4th episode: can't decide. so... yeah. I have no friggin clue. But just for the fun of it I'm "somewhat" on the anti-fantasy side, trying to prove everything with human (twisted) logic. Just for the fun. |
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| I don't think you can be 100% on one side, you have to take into account both versions if you want the story to add up. That being said, I'm definitely much more inclined to anti-fantasy. Though I do like Beatrice a lot, I think the humans in Umineko are much, much more interesting, and I usually like events to unfold in a pretty logical way. However, I do realize that there will have to be a teeny bit of magic in the end if it takes for them all - or only a part, at that - to survive. |
| I'm on anti-fantasy side. But as confused_kitsune sad you can't really be on one side completely. For example i don't deny the existence of Beato, but the murders are definetly human doing. hehe, it wouldn't be interesting if she killed them. |
| i think it's more like that it was a human that did it but i'm not saying that witches don't exist and that magic doesn't exist. although i do believe that the witched put everything into motion for there own little game. |
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| Given how, to me, the hook for Umineko was the meta world/supernatural side of things, I'm more inclinded to anti mystery, not to mention I think there is something else going on that most of the human characters can't even begin to comprehend. Although to be honest, going from ep 5, It's becoming more clear that while (IMO) magic and witches do exsit, Beatrice doesn't have anything to do with the murders and it's all a front for whoever is actually doing it, so I guess it's hard to say which side I'm really on >_>. |
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| Can someone explain me why some people/you chose to be anti-mystery? |
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| I'm anti-fantasy.. "Higurashi" made me think so.. |
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Yukine said: Can someone explain me why some people/you chose to be anti-mystery? can't speak for others, but here's my two cents. I like Beatrice. I really like her. In all ways you can like a fictional characters. Probably some you can't, too. And she is of the fantasy side, obviously. Now a more sensible person might object, "but personal preference has shit to do with truth, you know." And, well, yeah. But see, Umineko is a tad bit different. They are rather open about this whole until-you-know-the-truth-what-you-conjecture-is-truth thing. It's weak subjectivist definition of truth, so to speak. That particular love-rant in episode four says it all. It's obvious the crimes are originally not perpetrated by Beatrice, and that she just covers up the track by overlaying it with magic. I think as much is obvious; revealing by the end that the magic really was all there was to it is just too much of a sucker punch for Ryuukishi to do it. But see, the magic obviously still happens. Since Beatrice does it, in the magical version of the story. They're equivalent, for all that it matters, since we could only buy into either by either a) having the truth unveiled, or b) accepting something as true before such. And, see, I'm more accepting of Beatrice doing it, being omnibenevolent, rather than Beatrice not existing/being a poor human, Battlers family being a heap of selfish psychopaths and generally despair being all that is left. I'll go with Beato. 'Cause I like her, and there is no evidence to any contrary position so far (by episode four, no clue about episode five and I don't want to know), so we can only conjecture and go with what we like. Love. It's love that can allow me to be anti-mystery. /end Okonogi-Albert Rosenfield monologue |
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| If you are on the Anti-Mystery side, does that mean that you believe all of the golden butterflies, remade lollipops, stakes and siestas are human tricks as well? |
GarLogan78 said: If she's AntiMistery, he belives there all true. Anti Fantasy belives in human tricks.If you are on the Anti-Mystery side, does that mean that you believe all of the golden butterflies, remade lollipops, stakes and siestas are human tricks as well? |
| So like it doesn't just refer to the murders, but every supernatural thing on the island? |
| I believe that a human is the culprit (or even a group of humans). Magic is just covering up the truth. However, if that means that at the end of the series I'd have to say goodbye to Beato and all of the other fantasy characters, then I'd gladly change my mind. While I do believe that the crime was done by a human, I also believe that the witches and magic still exist. If in order to get a good ending, all of the magical characters would have to die, I'd rather get a "bad" ending where the whole family dies and the magical characters stay around. All of my favorites are fantasy characters after all. ^^; I'm Anti-Fantasy, as long as that doesn't destroy all of the anti-mystery characters. |
| @soramicry: This post of mine will get reeeahly~ offtopic, but I personally don't think Battler is the culprit. Yes, after reading ep4. |
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