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| It's sort of speculation but not blind speculation at all. Her mother was part of his father's cult for a long time and her mom was married to another man but he left. Given the amount of cult leaders who have a harem of affairs in the real world it's a very high probability. Look at the leader of the Jonestown group that killed themselves with Koolaid or the FLDS cult here in Arizona led by Warren Jeffs and you will see that the leaders often have numerous children with their female cult members. Her and Pegasus also killed themselves on the same day. Whether they are biological half siblings or not is debatable but they are both definitely ideological children of the cult. |
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| Man there is way too much going through my head and I really can't put into words what I think about this manga (mainly because I don't even know what to think of it). It felt a bit dragged in the middle where I lost interest a bit and couldn't read more than 2 or 3 chapters in a row (Pegasus' incoherent babbling was really getting on m y nerves). But the final two volumes where absolutely incredible and I marathoned them today. Anyway, there is one thing I didn't quite understand: what's the deal with Wada? I really didn't understand his motivation for killing off all the cult members and then just continuing his life. I expected him to orchestrate a disaster to make Pegasus' "prediction" come true because he told Seki he wanted to make Pegasus into a god (or at least wanted people to regard him as a legit prophet). So how exactly did "burn the shit out of him" achieve that goal? I guess I just completely misunderstood him? On the topic of happy vs. depressing ending, I'm on the "more happy" side. I felt like Punpun had come to terms with his previous mistakes and was content with his life and living with people that genuinely care for him. At least that's how I prefer to see it, because I can relate to a pretty boring and shitty life (not THAT bad though) and just wasting every day. So the thought of still being able to become happy by finding a person that actually loves you (and this is how I see Sachi) and leading a (still maybe normal and slightly boring) life surrounded by family is something I like. The final pages basically say "life goes on" but that doesn't mean it has to go on as an endless circle of a SHITTY life. The little boy in the end might as well become happy and not have to lead a life as harsh as Punpun's. |
| It's indeed a masterpiece,and hoping for a truly happy ending was asking for too much. I found it wasn't too sad until I hit ch 139,when I was nearly too tired,due to pulling an all nighter to read it.I literally sat there shocked saying "no....no way" and felt sad,angry and almost like the end would be too sad to see through. I felt wide awake and burned through it hoping somehow Pegasus was right (It's Pun Pun and I was not thinking straight lol). I guess I hoped for an end where Aiko and him picked up the pieces of their relationship after he went to jail and actually had a decent life from there on. Either way,I finished it and the Manga finishes on a happy note but can't quite say it's a happy ending. 10/10 |
| Why do you suck at life? Because you let life suck at you. Words to live by courtesy of Ask a Ninja. |
| Well, when I started the manga I was realy wondering how it was so well graded, almost whole childhood arc was done pretty dull to be honest, it did open up the way for main plot in the end, but that's not realy a reason for it to be so bad. When side stories of punpun uncle and his school friends began I actually started to get entangled by the manga and thought to myself - maybe the manga was good because of side characters? Oh just how wrong I was when story went back to 18+ years punpun.. It started getting better and better the whole way through till the end. I realy loved the mix of realism and symbolism in the manga as a whole and my opinion of the manga sure raised as far as chapters went. Yet as good as it is, it certainly had big flaws, for instance the whole pegasus story was actually promising and all.. but it seems it was realy rushed to end. I was realy expecting much more of it, but in the end it seemed as if it realy just got dumped halfway. Just as if someone were to throw a 100$ banknote into rubbish bin just to pick a 1$ coin from the same bin. That's just how disappointing it felt that a promising part of story ended in a way and didn't get substituted by anything worth it afterwards.. Oh well, not counting that, morale of the story was done pretty well in the end, although it could be a little extended or shortened. Ending revealed too much for this to be an 'open ending' and too low for it to shimmer the light of conclusion. |
Hentaicheg said: Well, when I started the manga I was realy wondering how it was so well graded, almost whole childhood arc was done pretty dull to be honest, it did open up the way for main plot in the end, but that's not realy a reason for it to be so bad. When side stories of punpun uncle and his school friends began I actually started to get entangled by the manga and thought to myself - maybe the manga was good because of side characters? Oh just how wrong I was when story went back to 18+ years punpun.. It started getting better and better the whole way through till the end. I realy loved the mix of realism and symbolism in the manga as a whole and my opinion of the manga sure raised as far as chapters went. Yet as good as it is, it certainly had big flaws, for instance the whole pegasus story was actually promising and all.. but it seems it was realy rushed to end. I was realy expecting much more of it, but in the end it seemed as if it realy just got dumped halfway. Just as if someone were to throw a 100$ banknote into rubbish bin just to pick a 1$ coin from the same bin. That's just how disappointing it felt that a promising part of story ended in a way and didn't get substituted by anything worth it afterwards.. Oh well, not counting that, morale of the story was done pretty well in the end, although it could be a little extended or shortened. Ending revealed too much for this to be an 'open ending' and too low for it to shimmer the light of conclusion. Yeah I agree The Pegasus story was pretty meaningless And his speeches were a chore to read Still it was a very nice manga 8.75/10 |
| Fuck this manga for real, it's just too good. 10/10 for me. But I wanted to see punpun face, and I still don't get what they mean with "his name", why no one can recall it, and what would have he said at the hospital? Aw, this was great, really great |
| Incredible manga. A brutal modern realist tale of teenage alienation and mental isolation. The chapters with Aiko and Punpun's escape are some of the most harrowing stuff I've ever read. I didn't like how the story ended with the focus on his childhood friend, but I suppose it's a circular back to the beginning kind of deal. I also thought the Cult story was too distracting at times. But that does not detract from a fantastic piece of fiction. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| I hate this empty feeling you have after completing an incredibly good stuff. It was a well though ending. Life goes on normally, for everyone. Punpun's just a mere person again. Bringing back Harumin was a nice idea, I was glad we got to see him again. Regarding Punpun's face, I think we already got to see enough of it: in the hospital, Sachi's drawing... It gives us an idea, and yet a part of mystery remains. This is the best thing the author could do. Nevertheless I feel dissatisfied about Shimizu's ending. As I understood, he got insane after the fire, so his real inner self is dead (this is why we saw him in the UFO with Pegasus and so on), and the actual Shimizu is amnesiac. Either he didn't came to the party because he was too mentally-sick for that, or Seki and him parted, thing that Seki has trouble to admit. Anyway I feel even sadder for this character than for Punpun. Also, are we sure Pegasus is Aiko's brother? On the whole, I felt this last chapter was a sad ending, and not a happy one as everyone says. Living such a plain life was the worst thing that could have happened to our main protagonist. But he understood that he had no choice but to make do with this. Also, he's grateful to Sachi. |
| I literally don't know what to think. Can someone please sumarize what happened to each important character, I read the whole thing but it is so confusing I forgot who is who for most characters. This is so goddamm amazing yet so hard to understand. 10/10. |
SlashBriar said: Am I right in believing Reality vs. Fantasy became a major theme in the story. We have Aiko and Shimizu representing fantasy and Sachi and Seki representing reality. Punpun at first chose to escape with Aiko to the island but in the end it didn't work out and ''fantasy'' died, leaving Punpun to settle to a normal life with Sachi. You can see this somewhat in Aiko's childhood ramblings in the beginning and Seki being offered the button-pushing job. You have a very good point there, I can see that. |
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| This manga was one hell of a ride. Surprised to see it have a happy ending. The second half of this manga was one of the most depressing I've seen in any anime/manga. I was hoping we would get to see how Punpun's real face looked like by the end, but I guess not. Overall it was a great manga, definitely a 9/10. |
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| Just finished rereading it again. Made me appreciate the story more. Probably would reread it again in the future and if the manga is available in our place I'll definitely buy it. P.S - Chapter 145 is probably my favorite chapter in this manga |
BlueKiteJul 12, 2014 6:12 PM
| Read 100 chapters non stop and I have to say this, this manga was one of the most depressing work I've ever read. I appreciate how it depicted Punpun's development in the most realistic way. I feel bad about Aiko and her life after what she went through, it's sad that Punpun and Aiko could not be together in the end. Anyways, I'm rating this 10/10. Definitely a masterpiece! |
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| A special, special manga with a special ending. The feeling after finishing this piece of art is unreal. Take a bow Asano. You deserve it. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| I think I fell into depression as I was reading, had to force myself to stop somewhere in the middle and finish another happy go lucky manga before continuing. It was really painful to see Punpun and Aiko's mental breakdown due to guilt and regrets on their journey. And when they finally thought they could settle (Aiko finding a job), someone discovers the corpse resulting in Aiko's suicide the day after which was quite shocking to say the least. I knew that Punpun and Aiko would not have ended up happily together after the mother's death but it was still a shame to see how it ended for them. I was actually expecting them to turn themselves in like Punpun had said and meeting after one of they were released, but this did not come to fruition and instead became very despairing. |
| Damn Aiko's story is just one of the saddest things I've seen in nearly any medium of entertainment. Punpun was alright in my eyes until he started hitting her and treating her like crap. Kept down her whole life right up until the end and despite being treated like shit her whole life, she still managed to end it all for someone else. Just too damn sad. |
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| Asano has already said this was the worst possible ending for Pun pun in his opinion. |
live2win said: link?Asano has already said this was the worst possible ending for Pun pun in his opinion. |
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UnoPuntoCinco said: live2win said: link?Asano has already said this was the worst possible ending for Pun pun in his opinion. http://mangabrog.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/inio-asano-interview-reality-is-tough-so-read-this-manga-about-cute-girls-and-feel-better/ More specifically, Asano: It’s too clear-cut an ending for the story. It wraps it all up a little too well. Living is harder than dying, see, so I thought this was the most painful, worst possible ending for Punpun, and that’s why in the end I went with this final chapter. |
live2win said: Well, that was one kind of an interview and Asano's seem more like a cool guy now. UnoPuntoCinco said: link? http://mangabrog.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/inio-asano-interview-reality-is-tough-so-read-this-manga-about-cute-girls-and-feel-better/ More specifically, Asano: It’s too clear-cut an ending for the story. It wraps it all up a little too well. Living is harder than dying, see, so I thought this was the most painful, worst possible ending for Punpun, and that’s why in the end I went with this final chapter. Thanks |
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| This was a pleasing ending to such a wonderful manga. It's been a while since I've read something so depressing, yet so entertaining to read. |
| What a depressing ride this was, i don't think i'm okay... Punpun and Aiko hands down the most painful, disturbing, destructive relationship i ever seen in any manga/anime. it broke my fucking heart. Onodera Punpun is the most complex, realistic character i ever -and will ever- came across. Oyasumi Punpun, a work of art! 10/10 |
| 10/10 That was one hell of a ride, still can't get over Aiko. |
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| So I finished my second reading of punpun from the start to the end , wich mean around 1 year have passed since the last time I have read this last chapter and thus completing my first read . That was something I wanted to do for a long time , since after the first time i completed it , I knew I wanted it to be with me and buy the volumes , to have them by my side , and so I waited to actually own them before reading punpun again . So , I passed those last two days just reading it , taking my time to look at the panels , because I wasn't pushed by the absolute desire to know what would happen next since I knew it already ( on the other hand I had to take a deep breath and a little moment before reading the last 3 volumes each time ) . My main idea behind doing this was to have a more global look at the story , to feel all the developpement , see the "hint" I would have missed , the gap between the first and final volume , all the things like that.....and you know what ?...reading the last volumes , I understanded that I had traveled for two days in oyasumi punpun , following the lives of the characters , and yet at the same time I was reading , and the character were talking of moment of there past , I was like them in the fog , like if it was from a long ago past....and this is amazing , this just show me how powerfull , how incredibly well done this storytelling is . The re-reading may not have felt as powerfull as the first time ( and that's normal , the first time was a shock and a revelation of what manga can do) , but after finishing it again , my respect for this work is just deeper , and the idea of calling it a masterpiece feel even more natural for me now . Once again I was amazed at the graphics and art style in general , the more the story go and the more beautifull it get , almost to the point of being exausting for the eyes , just too much to handle . I also re-discovered the developpement of the punpun/sachi relationship ( and I was amazed to see how much Asano have done with it , knowing that it only start at the very end of volume 7 !) . As for the pegasus cult , I see some people saying that it's one of the weak point of the story , and even that it was unnecessary , when I think it is actually very powerfull and fit very well , as much as the "uncle past arc" and the seki/shimizu parts . The only problem with it is that we are so much implicated with what happen with punpun that it feel difficult to read those "sub plot insertion" before returning to the "main one" , so it feel like bad timing (reading again is a good way to see the power contained in those "sub stories" , not beeing tortured with the absolute want to know what happen next) . oyasumi punpun deploy it story like life itself . In it you can see people trying to find there reason of living , to find the way to face life and trying to convince themself and the others with strong affirmation about it and the more "moral way" to act day by day...when in the end nobody will ever have a clear answer . As a side though , for once I can say that I'm happy of being French : to be able to own oyasumi punpun mangas , and to could have read it in hand , it's bliss (but if it can make american people more happy , don't forgot you have Nijigahara Holograph manga available but we , french , don't ^^) . Finally , For people that might have missed the "hidden" covers , i have some pics for you ( personally I didn't knew all of them before , some are especially interesting ) : |
DullboyDec 24, 2014 3:52 AM
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Dullboy said: Wow! Thanks for sharing your photos! I hadn't seen some of these.[pics] |
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| Oh my fucking god, if I let myself I think I could cry a little. These last chapters were horrible. Yet they were so good. Turning every page was painful, as I knew Aiko was dead, yet Punpun had to move on. But hey, that's life. Deep inside I had the small hope of a happier ending, but in the long run I'm glad Asano ended it just as he did. This ending is much more realistic and memorable. He didn't pussy out the "Clannad route", as I like to think haha. Overall, this manga was the biggest ride of emotions I've had probably in any medium. The masterfully developed characters combined with the massive amount of chapters for such a well-written story are a combination that always works, but is not certainly easy to pull off - that is, unless you're as good as Asano. Now excuse me, as I wallow in the huge void this manga left me. 9/10 |
cupcMar 7, 2015 6:50 AM
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| One of the greatest things I have ever experienced. This was just something that really hit the spot, especially with my recent bouts of existentialism. Man, this was really good. Oh man. BTW, yes, I saw the last chapter as a reincarnation of Punpun's and Aiko's love with some random girl and Midori's son (Taoru). The reason why I think it's Taoru is because he had the same "god" as Punpun did, and they had the same goddamn conversation and the same experiences. It's very possible that is how Punpun looked when he was a kid-- when Taoru was born he was a little stick bird like Punpun and his family. Also, Midori said so many times that Punpun seriously resembles Yuuichi, who is the father of Taoru and gave Taoru his genes and so on. Interesting how it's all really one big cycle. The question is posed: "What is normal?" Well, really, all events that occur in all of time happened for some reason or another and therefore are experienced by all people who have to do with those events. This "all people" expresses the normality of nearly any event, therefore we are all normal and everything we do is normal. But honestly, who cares about being normal? Man, I need to reread this whole thing. This was so epic. I never even took the cult stuff seriously. I skimmed over it even though it's probably really important since it came up so often. |
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| It's over. I now have the biggest 'story void' I've ever experienced. Its crazy how you can get so lost in a story and no one has any idea what you just experienced. Truly beautiful in every shape and form. For some more realist/psychological stories I would highly recommend the novel 'House of Leaves' (My favorite novel) and the anime ef. a tale of memories/melodies (especially melodies, but it's a sequel). Goodnight Punpun. Thank you Asano. I hope everyone has at least a mildly fulfilling life in this crazy-ass world. |
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| Masterpiece,.. Good Ending,.. Unfortunately, We're not be able to see Punpun's real face after a bit slight of his face in hospital, it's really make me hope for that,.. |
| “You should enjoy the little detours to the fullest. Because that's where you'll find the things more important than what you want.” |
| Blazed it all in a 10 hour sitting. One hell of a ride is all I got to say. |
ZRShay said: Blazed it all in a 10 hour sitting. One hell of a ride is all I got to say. Same here man, or atleast a day for me. What a ride. Too bad we didn't get to see Punpun's whole face but this is a masterpiece deserving a 10/10 anyway. |
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| Some says this is a happy ending. I don't think this is a happy ending. Aiko died. She was the only person he cared in the world. So he's alone now. |
DerpHole said: Damn Aiko's story is just one of the saddest things I've seen in nearly any medium of entertainment. Punpun was alright in my eyes until he started hitting her and treating her like crap. Kept down her whole life right up until the end and despite being treated like shit her whole life, she still managed to end it all for someone else. Just too damn sad. Couldn't agree more with this. I finished reading this manga yesterday and Aiko's death and the circumstances that led to her suicide has still got me depressed. Her story is the saddest I've ever seen in fiction. As bad as this may sound, I'm at least glad Punpun didn't just get over her death and got together with Sachi. A happy ending would've been good for Punpun, but as an ending for the manga, it would have been the worst. Overall, this was and will probably be for a long time to come, one of the most intense, extremely depressing, and the most emotionally exhausting rollercoaster rides I've sat through in any medium. The only thing that I didn't like was the whole Pegasus nonsense. I just couldn't care less about it, and to make things worse, those scenes showed up at the worst moments. |
| I wish real losers could attract hipster girlfriends and job opportunities like punpun does. Nonetheless, good vibrations! |
| Other than the Pegasus parts this manga was a great read. I really wasn't expecting Punpun to be alive at the end. 9/10 |
| Definitely a brilliant Manga. I loved it through and through, I didn't even mind the Pegasus parts much. Definitely in my favourites now. |
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| I could say many things now,but I will limit myself to one: masterpiece. Ok nevermind,I really like the idea of this ending.Punpun meeting his childhoodfriend again who has no idea what Punpun went through and just sees him happy. This,together with EVA, is my all time favourite coming of age story,be it manga,anime,films or books,nothing touched me this deeply and I can savely say that reading Oyasumi Punpun influenced my life and changed something in me personally.I know it's a cliched thing to say,but its true. What a journey it has been. |
_HeroKenzan_Jul 19, 2015 4:56 PM
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| Actually I was hoping something like Punpun being end up in prison. But this ending is still OK for me.... |
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| Best manga ever. Never read such deep story before. Enjoyed every single part of it, even the bittersweet and depressing ones. The artwork was completely beautiful. The characters were crude. Brilliant. Perfect ending. Good job Asano Inio. |
| I feel empty now that it's over. I don't know what to do :( |
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| Punpun finally has the family he's always wanted and found happiness ;___; A cycle back from how this all started,this end seemed like the only fitting ending for this seeing as how Punpun didn't end up killing himself like I had expected. mAin message of this chapter,life goes on. "Hey,did ya know?Humanity's going to go ustinct." Ohh Asano,you just had to add that to the ending :D Literally the best coming of age story I've ever read 10/10. Also like to think that that boy at the end was definitely Yuichi's son Soara. |
| This is the greatest thing I have ever read. 11/10 |
my feel right now yeah, good stuff 8/10 i had issues with some things in the manga, like the "good vibrations" cult group who wasn't necessary. i do like how it ended though |
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