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belatkuro said: I was more leaning on having it in her to keep her survival intact even though she can't be moving at all. It's all sad to see her immobilize. Yumekichi11 said: It doesn't serve any tactical advantage to have Irisviel keep Avalon since she won't be moving anymore so she gave it to Kiritsugu. Kiritsugu will make good use of it in the battlefield.On the other hand Kiritsugu’s Avalon retrieval was not wise IMO. He should have never removed despite the situation and Irisviel’s talk to him. Meruru said: Yes but that is only due to her attachment and Kiritsugu's saving her. If there is a drama thing out of this. OK will spoiler of what I heardYumekichi11 said: Maiya what goes around comes around. PAY THE PRICE OF YOUR SINS! That’s what I was thinking. Maiya got her death well deserved despite having a shitty past. I can sympathize with her but I could never EVER NEVER FORGIVE for the killings she did on Lancer’s master and his wife. Never I could forgive that. Might edit later. I think the one to blame is Kiritsugu, Maiya is just his tool. Poor Maiya. Maiya's past involved her being at a young age So like I mentioned Maiya's past is really what made me T_T feel for her. That's it and that's all really. sallym613 said: If Alexander had to do something personal in the past he would tell you. Same goes for I like this girl and will do shit with her. I don't have to tell you what. Same for Rider. Anything private and personal to him......YOU WILL NEVER KNOW! That's what. s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisviel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P Hence no one knows Alexander the Great 100% Because observations could never be done of his private life since he was so private. IRL if you would film his privacy IMO he would smash you and your camera. Yep! |
Yumekichi11May 19, 2012 1:57 PM
| I was wondering why Kiri was going around the Tousaka mansion. I forgot that Tokiomi was murdered by Kayneth. As for Kariya and Berseker, I expect to see more of them. After he was given that worm, Kariya looked pumped. I did not expect Rider to bust in and kidnap Irisviel. Maiya is dead ;-; I hope the death of Maiya doesn't cause Kiri's downfall later on in the war. He loved her so much. |
| It's sad that even Maiya knew she wasn't going to make it alive through the war. Damn that Zouken, he's one evil bastard. |
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Woebegone said: I was wondering why Kiri was going around the Tousaka mansion. I forgot that Tokiomi was murdered by Kayneth. don't you mean Kotomine? :P |
| ohohohohoho next episode shits gonna hit the fan that voice kirei's sexy voice ive missed it so much cant wait til next week anyways i really liked waver and rider's interaction this episode and we get more characterization of maiya and her views about kiritsugu |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| Now that I think about it, this is the first time we hear Berserker speak (Besides his usual ARRRRTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUURRRRRR) and we witness what is behind the helmet (Well, almost. I just know that it's quite unpleasent). Not only that, but this is the first time he is not computer animated. And now the death count (flashbacks not included) has raised to 8 (Or should I include the two pilots from episode 1 that were massacred. In that case, it raised to 10). Even though I never thought much of Maiya as a character, I can at least say rest in peace. Next week: Rider vs Saber is coming and who is the series' next victim? |
s2012k1993 said: Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisivel...? it! Think about it for a second: 1) Rider and Waver don't know their new hideout. The last thing the knew, they stayed in a castle (which character received information of it? It was in the previous episodes). 2) Rider says he has to be there all day to *materialize* since he refuses to take prana from Waver. 3) His personality from talkative and not willing to kill people meaninglessly is nowhere to be seen. Also he escapes... flying on his own. What is wrong with this picture? PikachuXD said: Looking back on the whole thing, it's pretty amazing Waiver's outlasted Kayneth and Tokiomi. Yay dark horse? Rider's little discussion with Waiver about the Holy Grail was pretty interesting; it may really just be a fake ideal that brings out the worst in people. Heh. Not only that. |
Yumekichi11 said: sallym613 said: If Alexander had to do something personal in the past he would tell you. Same goes for I like this girl and will do shit with her. I don't have to tell you what. Same for Rider. Anything private and personal to him......YOU WILL NEVER KNOW! That's what. s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisviel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P Hence no one knows Alexander the Great 100% Because observations could never be done of his private life since he was so private. IRL if you would film his privacy IMO he would smash you and your camera. Yep! Uhhh...How should I respond to this? I can't even tell whether you're replying to my comment or s2012k1993's but okay.. Nvm. Forget what I just said Yumekichi. Might be better if you put what actually happened to Maiya in her past in spoiler tags in case. Though I guess it would only matter to those who wanted to read the LN without people spoiling any details that the anime omits. Thess said: PikachuXD said: Looking back on the whole thing, it's pretty amazing Waiver's outlasted Kayneth and Tokiomi. Yay dark horse? Rider's little discussion with Waiver about the Holy Grail was pretty interesting; it may really just be a fake ideal that brings out the worst in people. Heh. Not only that. |
sallym613 said: Yumekichi11 said: sallym613 said: If Alexander had to do something personal in the past he would tell you. Same goes for I like this girl and will do shit with her. I don't have to tell you what. Same for Rider. Anything private and personal to him......YOU WILL NEVER KNOW! That's what. s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisviel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P Hence no one knows Alexander the Great 100% Because observations could never be done of his private life since he was so private. IRL if you would film his privacy IMO he would smash you and your camera. Yep! Uhhh...How should I respond to this? I can't even tell whether you're replying to my comment or s2012k1993's but okay.. Nvm. Forget what I just said Yumekichi. Might be better if you put what actually happened to Maiya in her past in spoiler tags in case. Though I guess it would only matter to those who wanted to read the LN without people spoiling any details that the anime omits. Thess said: PikachuXD said: Looking back on the whole thing, it's pretty amazing Waiver's outlasted Kayneth and Tokiomi. Yay dark horse? Rider's little discussion with Waiver about the Holy Grail was pretty interesting; it may really just be a fake ideal that brings out the worst in people. Heh. Not only that. hes got maiya hairstyle |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
sallym613 said: And I understand your confusion but it was to precise that if Alexander REALLY but really wants to do something, he ain't even going to tell anyone. He will go and fight shit instead of involving his army if he wants to do it alone. That's basically it IRL Alexander. I spoke to some scholars of him.Yumekichi11 said: sallym613 said: If Alexander had to do something personal in the past he would tell you. Same goes for I like this girl and will do shit with her. I don't have to tell you what. Same for Rider. Anything private and personal to him......YOU WILL NEVER KNOW! That's what. s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisviel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P Hence no one knows Alexander the Great 100% Because observations could never be done of his private life since he was so private. IRL if you would film his privacy IMO he would smash you and your camera. Yep! Uhhh...How should I respond to this? I can't even tell whether you're replying to my comment or s2012k1993's but okay.. Nvm. Forget what I just said Yumekichi. |
| So at least now Kiritsugu knows that Tokiomi is dead; and since he is perceptive (they showed the two cups also) he will likely figure out it was Kirei; because of things like there was no sign of a broken entry; so he will figure out (hopefully) that it was someone who got in easily and thus the piece fall into place; that aside even tho she had like no personality it was bitter to see Maiya go like that; it was however nice to see that Kiritsugu still maintains those emotions and hasn't killed them off; like Maiya said, he just can't afford to break down yet, so he puts up a facade for the sake of the war. |
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| You know guys, dropping hints so obvious that a monkey could understand is still spoiling. OT: Maiya's death was rather....sudden....sucks for her. But now im itching to see archer back in action. |
| Somehow, when Maiya died, and the ending music started it became very sad for me ;( |
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benevolentfather said: Haha, some very not-so-subtle spoilers in here. It's so easy to figure it out when you've read the LN, isn't it?You know guys, dropping hints so obvious that a monkey could understand is still spoiling. Hollow334, I always enjoy listening to your F/Z episode reviews. |
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Yumekichi11 said: And I understand your confusion but it was to precise that if Alexander REALLY but really wants to do something, he ain't even going to tell anyone. He will go and fight shit instead of involving his army if he wants to do it alone. That's basically it IRL Alexander. I spoke to some scholars of him. Uh ok. RL Alexander =/= Nasuverse Alexander. Or is King Arthur a little girl and Gilgamesh some bishounen guido? Also, which scholars are you even quoting? benevolentfather said: You know guys, dropping hints so obvious that a monkey could understand is still spoiling. You mean obvious anvil sized hints that were put in the episodes? Rider: I WILL RECOVER AT NIGHT. So I'll stay in this place to be able to materialize. Iri: /gets kidnapped before night falls. Come on. Unless you think the viewers are unobservant idiots, that means they are mean to suspect something isn't right. |
ThessMay 19, 2012 2:39 PM
| @ Thess: What is a..bishounen guido? o.O Also, in addition to what Thess says, Rider specifically said that he wouldnt be able to recover completely until nighttime. He might be very honest, open and eager to battle, but he's not completely reckless. He knows that if he really wants to fight Saber and show that he's right and she's wrong, he would definitely make sure he's on top shape before doing that. Especially if he's going against her with the possibility of her using Excalibur. And kidnapping Irisviel before healing completely isn't exactly the best thing to do, especially since doing that will guarantee a clash with Saber. |
Thess said: bishounen guido Total oxymoron ^_^ |
| And kidnapping Irisviel just doesn't seem like the sort of thing that Iskander would do. In some ways he has almost fatherly attitudes towards both Waiver and Saber. He wants to teach Saber a lesson, but he wants to do it by beating her on the battlefield. I'm curious to see which of the remaining heroic spirits or masters is still playing "let's you and him fight". |
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Thess said: Yeah I know but Fiction VS Reality is do much more fun when clearly IRL elements are present. That being said, I am not quoting them but in general speak of the theme of Alexander the Great's Lifestyle and what of it. Still vague even in 2012. There are no empirical evidence that say much of his privacy but I will stop there. Derailing thread is never good.Yumekichi11 said: And I understand your confusion but it was to precise that if Alexander REALLY but really wants to do something, he ain't even going to tell anyone. He will go and fight shit instead of involving his army if he wants to do it alone. That's basically it IRL Alexander. I spoke to some scholars of him. Uh ok. RL Alexander =/= Nasuverse Alexander. Or is King Arthur a little girl and Gilgamesh some bishounen guido? Also, which scholars are you even quoting? |
| Maya's background as a child soldier wasn't surprising, and the lack of development dampens the effects of her death, whatever was intended. After a two episode exposition on Kiritsugu, I expected more than a few minutes on Maiya's connection to him. What was interesting was contrasting Maiya's views on Kiritsugu with that of Irisviel's, and perhaps more interestingly, with that of Shirou later on. Rider's regret is similar to that of Saber's, and at the same time very different, so their clash should be interesting. |
MissileSoupMay 19, 2012 4:55 PM
sallym613 said: Also, in addition to what Thess says, Rider specifically said that he wouldnt be able to recover completely until nighttime. He might be very honest, open and eager to battle, but he's not completely reckless. He knows that if he really wants to fight Saber and show that he's right and she's wrong, he would definitely make sure he's on top shape before doing that. Especially if he's going against her with the possibility of her using Excalibur. And kidnapping Irisviel before healing completely isn't exactly the best thing to do, especially since doing that will guarantee a clash with Saber. He didn't even acknolwedge Saber who he claimed to fight. |
| So...what exactly is going on between Maiya and Kiritsugu? Is she Kiritsugu's mistress? |
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FeatherNinja said: So...what exactly is going on between Maiya and Kiritsugu? Is she Kiritsugu's mistress? She is his mistress and tool. Also important difference of the novel. In this bit, Kiritsugu was trying to kill Waver, using Saber as a bait to lure out the Master and Servant. She realized his intention and wanted to avoid it. He wasn't after Tokiomi Tohsaka. He followed Saber to snipe Waver in his cowardly fashion. I guess they are either trying to speed things up or make him look better than his novel characterization. That's why they cut how his father hugged him in concern and he immediately shot him knowing how much his daddy loves him in episode 18 for the same reason. |
ThessMay 19, 2012 4:59 PM
Thess said: sallym613 said: Also, in addition to what Thess says, Rider specifically said that he wouldnt be able to recover completely until nighttime. He might be very honest, open and eager to battle, but he's not completely reckless. He knows that if he really wants to fight Saber and show that he's right and she's wrong, he would definitely make sure he's on top shape before doing that. Especially if he's going against her with the possibility of her using Excalibur. And kidnapping Irisviel before healing completely isn't exactly the best thing to do, especially since doing that will guarantee a clash with Saber. He didn't even acknolwedge Saber who he claimed to fight. It'll be explained in next episode. Trust me. All things will be cleared. |
Thess said: FeatherNinja said: So...what exactly is going on between Maiya and Kiritsugu? Is she Kiritsugu's mistress? She is his mistress and tool. Also important difference of the novel. In this bit, Kiritsugu was trying to kill Waver, using Saber as a bait to lure out the Master and Servant. She realized his intention and wanted to avoid it. He wasn't after Tokiomi Tohsaka. He followed Saber to snipe Waver in his cowardly fashion. Well, if sniping an enemy is cowardly than U.S. Marine snipers must be cowardly as well, according to that logic. I'm going to have to disagree, on that. Anyway, I fail to see how killing Waver is any worse than killing Tokiomi. They both entered the Grail War, knowing full well that they'd be endangering their lives, a point that Waver vocally accepted in this very episode. |
LunarMoonMay 19, 2012 5:26 PM
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LunarMoon said: Well, if sniping an enemy is cowardly than U.S. Marine snipers must be cowardly as well, according to that logic. I'm going to have to disagree, on that. Anyway, I fail to see how killing Waver is any worse than killing Tokiomi. They both entered the Grail War, knowing full well that they'd be endangering their lives, a point that Waver vocally accepted in this very episode. Saber strongly disagrees. She feels more cautious and hostile against her "ally" than her enemies. She's right. It's a battle of magi. Waver signed up for that: MAGIC. He's using guns. He's a coward who uses underhanded methods. That's supposed to be his work profile. Had he been successful, kiss the world goodbye in twenty years. Code_Alchemy said: He didn't even acknolwedge Saber who he claimed to fight. Heh. I know. I'm wondering how could people not notice. |
ThessMay 19, 2012 5:35 PM
| Yeah I'd say sniping is pretty cowardly in any situation. Killing someone without any chance for them to retaliate from a safe and sound distance. That being that literally stabbing someone in the back isn't much better... but if somehow Tousaka survived that he could have atleast had a chance to retaliate. Why use U.S soldiers in particular... you think U.S marines are the only people who can use a sniper rifle? |
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Thess said: FeatherNinja said: So...what exactly is going on between Maiya and Kiritsugu? Is she Kiritsugu's mistress? She is his mistress and tool. Also important difference of the novel. In this bit, Kiritsugu was trying to kill Waver, using Saber as a bait to lure out the Master and Servant. She realized his intention and wanted to avoid it. He wasn't after Tokiomi Tohsaka. He followed Saber to snipe Waver in his cowardly fashion. I guess they are either trying to speed things up or make him look better than his novel characterization. That's why they cut how his father hugged him in concern and he immediately shot him knowing how much his daddy loves him in episode 18 for the same reason. If they were trying to make Kiritsugu look more likable with that scene I think they'd have had him kill his father instantly as he did in the novel, rather than stab him in the belly first, which hug or no hug definitely didn't serve to endear Kiritsugu to me any more than the way it happened in the Novel. And do we actually know that Maiya was his mistress? I don't recall reading anything in the LN to confirm that (remind me if you do it's quite possible I've forgotten) and the kiss early in the show (which when I saw it initially did make me think she was his mistress) never actually led to anything and was explained in the novel as Maiya trying to distract him from unnecessary thoughts and nothing more. I mean I think it's possible and perhaps even probable that they did get intimate prior to Kiritsugu's relationship with Irisviel but from that point onwards I don't think he'd have done anything with her (aside from the kiss he didn't resist). |
TopgunUKMay 19, 2012 6:13 PM
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| NOOOO MAIYA NOOOOOOOOO WHY SHE HAVE TO DIE, DAMN YOU RIDER. |
| Thess do you believe in nobility and chivalry belong in WAR or that they make it any better too?Noble or not ,underhanded or not it doesnt matter in a war.And it's a battle for the grail not magi.Anyone as longs the grail allows it(Ryuunusuke, Kireix2) can enter.Dying by magic isnt any batter than any gun Kiritsugu has.And unless I am wrong magic IS more powerful than guns,knives and bombs.Example: Kayneth .If not for the Origin bullet Kiritsugu would have died from his magic.And before you say that he used a gun for that,Kayneth knew his unorthodox ways of fighting and did a pretty good job defending against him. And Waver at this point knows the same things Kiritsugu does |
ssjokgMay 19, 2012 5:55 PM
bottosai-01 said: Yeah I'd say sniping is pretty cowardly in any situation. Killing someone without any chance for them to retaliate from a safe and sound distance. That being that literally stabbing someone in the back isn't much better... but if somehow Tousaka survived that he could have atleast had a chance to retaliate. Why use U.S soldiers in particular... you think U.S marines are the only people who can use a sniper rifle? Nope. But it's a specific example rather than a vague, general one. So with that said, would you make the claim that every member of the U.S. Marines, trained as a sniper, is a coward? I certainly wouldn't. Saber strongly disagrees. She feels more cautious and hostile against her "ally" than her enemies. She's right. It's a battle of magi. Waver signed up for that: MAGIC. He's using guns. He's a coward who uses underhanded methods. That's supposed to be his work profile. Acht of the Einzberns, the family that began the Grail War, in the first place, would disagree, which is a large part of why he hired Kiritsugu in the first place. If anything he and the Magic Association would be more privy to Kiritsugu’s technological solutions than the standard magical ones. Why? Because the only actual rule in the Grail War is to keep up the magical masquerade, so while no one’s going to care about the use of a technological solution to kill someone, in front of muggles, they’re going to send people like Bazette after you if you do the same with the use of magic. The Association would not have stood idle if Kiritsugu had used magic to blow up that hotel. Anyway, while Saber is one of my favorite Nasuverse characters, even I think that her “honor code” is an illogical mess that doesn’t translate well into the modern age. But that’s part of what makes her a round, complex character, instead of a perfect Mary Sue. |
LunarMoonMay 19, 2012 6:10 PM
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| First, Acht makes Zouken look like a man of principles. LunarMoon said: If anything he and the Magic Association would be more privy to Kiritsugu’s technological solutions than the standard magical ones. Why? Because the only actual rule in the Grail War is to keep up the magical masquerade, so while no one’s going to care about the use of a technological solution to kill someone, in front of muggles, they’re going to send people like Bazette after you if you do the same with the use of magic. The Association would not have stood idle if Kiritsugu had used magic to blow up that hotel. Eh, magi find Kiritsugu's methods distasteful. Don't you remember Tokiomi's reaction? He is described as the most traditional magus as magus go (go for the Root). LunarMoon said: Anyway, while Saber is one of my favorite Nasuverse characters, even I think that her “honor code” is an illogical mess that doesn’t translate well into the modern age. But that’s part of what makes her a round, complex character, instead of a perfect Mary Sue. The entire point of Kiritsugu's character is that he screwed up. Saber's code is actually fine. Her only mistake is thinking she made a mistake and she has to rewrite the past to 'fix' it: she blames herself too much. Isn't that the basis of Fate route? While Kiritsugu's mistake is that everything he did is in fact a mistake and wishes for Shirou to not be like that. Topgunuk69 said: And do we actually know that Maiya was his mistress? I don't recall reading anything in the LN to confirm that (remind me if you do it's quite possible I've forgotten) and the kiss early in the show (which when I saw it initially did made me think she was his mistress) never actually led to anything and was explained in the novel as Maiya trying to distract him from unnecessary thoughts and nothing more. It's in CM that Kiritsugu cheated on Irisviel with Maiya which he considered a "betrayal of his wife's love." |
Hydnlife said: NOOOO MAIYA NOOOOOOOOO WHY SHE HAVE TO DIE, DAMN YOU RIDER. i have the same reaction, Maiya should have live, i like her |
Hydnlife said: NOOOO MAIYA NOOOOOOOOO WHY SHE HAVE TO DIE, DAMN YOU RIDER. This made me chuckle for some reason. |
Thess said: First, Acht makes Zouken look like a man of principles. LunarMoon said: If anything he and the Magic Association would be more privy to Kiritsugu’s technological solutions than the standard magical ones. Why? Because the only actual rule in the Grail War is to keep up the magical masquerade, so while no one’s going to care about the use of a technological solution to kill someone, in front of muggles, they’re going to send people like Bazette after you if you do the same with the use of magic. The Association would not have stood idle if Kiritsugu had used magic to blow up that hotel. Eh, magi find Kiritsugu's methods distasteful. Don't you remember Tokiomi's reaction? He is described as the most traditional magus as magus go (go for the Root). LunarMoon said: Anyway, while Saber is one of my favorite Nasuverse characters, even I think that her “honor code” is an illogical mess that doesn’t translate well into the modern age. But that’s part of what makes her a round, complex character, instead of a perfect Mary Sue. The entire point of Kiritsugu's character is that he screwed up. Saber's code is actually fine. Her only mistake is thinking she made a mistake and she has to rewrite the past to 'fix' it: she blames herself too much. Isn't that the basis of Fate route? While Kiritsugu's mistake is that everything he did is in fact a mistake and wishes for Shirou to not be like that. Again I dont sse how nobility and chivalry make war better.At least kiritsugu knows that he is fucked up while she goes "no we have honor and shit..." .Killing is killing ,murder is murder and war is war mot matter the methods you use something Arturia fails to understand.I dont see how she is fine at all |
ssjokgMay 19, 2012 6:24 PM
Thess said: It's in CM that Kiritsugu cheated on Irisviel with Maiya which he considered a "betrayal of his wife's love." That's the kind of thing they really shouldn't leave to additional materials. |
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Thess said: First, Acht makes Zouken look like a man of principles. I'd say he's pretty competent. He's been the head of the Einzbern family for God knows how long, considering his age, and the Einzberns are regarded as one of the great families. He's actually managed to keep his family magically potent unlike the other founding family, the Makiri, and his family is far more respectable than low-level clans like the Velvets or Emiyas. As for how he is morally? Well, he's a typical magus, along with all that entails. Thess said: Eh, magi find Kiritsugu's methods distasteful. Don't you remember Tokiomi's reaction? He is described as the most traditional magus as magus go (go for the Root). On a personal basis, sure, but in terms of what they actually act upon, they'd prefer for Kiritsugu to use his sniper rifle. Saber's code is actually fine. Her only mistake is thinking she made a mistake and she has to rewrite the past to 'fix' it: she blames herself too much. Isn't that the basis of Fate route? While Kiritsugu's mistake is that everything he did is in fact a mistake and wishes for Shirou to not be like that. No, it really isn't. At the very least, I doubt that Urobuchi would be idealistic enough to support Saber's honor code, especially given how he treated Lancer. Saber was lucky; which is more than can be said for anyone else who rode off to war, willing to kill and die for that impractical ideal. |
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| Man so glad i finished eating before the part with Berseker..and Kiritsugu seems to lose everyone close to the poor guy :C. i just don't get why rider Kidnapped her?! that doesn't seem like something he would do |
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katsu044 said: Man so glad i finished eating before the part with Berseker..and Kiritsugu seems to lose everyone close to the poor guy :C. i just don't get why rider Kidnapped her?! that doesn't seem like something he would do Good that is how you should feel waiting for the next ep.... |
Topgunuk69 said: That's the kind of thing they really shouldn't leave to additional materials. The novel isn't showing erotic scenes. They just imply them. I don't think Gen would like to write half of the cast having sex. LunarMoon said: I'd say he's pretty competent. Sure. That's why they have the Third Magic back! And why their ideas always work. Except they never do. Topgunuk69 said: On a personal basis, sure, but in terms of what they actually act upon, they'd prefer for Kiritsugu to use his sniper rifle. Not really. Do you see the Clock Tower fond of him? Topgunuk69 said: No, it really isn't. At the very least, I doubt that Urobuchi would be idealistic enough to support Saber's honor code, especially given how he treated Lancer. Saber was lucky; which is more than can be said for anyone else who rode off to war, willing to kill and die for that impractical ideal. It doesn't matter what Gen wants. This is Nasuverse. ssjokg said: Again I dont sse how nobility and chivalry make war better.At least kiritsugu knows that he is fucked up while she goes "no we have honor and shit..." .Killing is killing ,murder is murder and war is war mot matter the methods you use something Arturia fails to understand.I dont see how she is fine at all You can't treat the Nasuverse as the real world. Ideals become the ultimate Beam Spam attack (that's Excalibur). The one time that Saber wasn't chivalrous, Caliburn broke. What does Kiritsugu's dirty play becomes? Nothing. Kiritsugu wasn't speaking a real 'truth'. If you read the novels, he's acting like a petulant child in that scene because he's even more idealistic than Saber herself but he's bitter about it. |
ThessMay 19, 2012 8:12 PM
| Saber vs Rider next episode. I thought we'd have to wait longer for some action, but I guess not. Hopefully they won't gimp it and the upcoming ones. |
Zyglrox said: |
| It's about time someone gets it: everyone is living in his or her own ideals. That is how a human lives. No Heroic Spirits or Masters in this series is an exception. Even Gilgamesh and Kirei live with their ideals. Clearly, Kiritsugu knows this and this is what makes his character interesting. Same with the honor and chivalry of Saber. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
Topgunuk69 said: Thess said: It's in CM that Kiritsugu cheated on Irisviel with Maiya which he considered a "betrayal of his wife's love." That's the kind of thing they really shouldn't leave to additional materials. Yeah I agree with Topgunuk69. I kind of wish this was confirmed because I totally didn't see Maiya as Kiritsugu's mistress, which made me so confused why you started saying that she is. I know she kissed Kiritsugu back in season 1 but I thought it was only to get Kiritsugu back in focus. I admit the kissing scene is still bizarre to me but anyhow I always thought the relationship between Kiritsugu and Maiya was just...him using her as a tool to fulfill his plans. Do you have link or access to that specific CM? Thess said: Zyglrox said: |
| Well I was expecting some action since the last few eps have been a bit slow in that respect.. (though still great ofc). I'm just bummed I have to wait another week now for pure awesome. I still enjoyed the ep and I'm really interested to see the rest of Kariya's story. Maiya's death was so sudden :'(. Go get em Kerry. |
sallym613 said: Thess said: Zyglrox said: Loved the episode and, like usual, it felt like it was over in half the length of any regular episode. Seriously, boring? Hah. What? Great dialogue as always and it got really exciting and sad towards the end. I nearly got teary-eyed a couple of times; when Iri was talking about how she wanted Kiritsugu and Saber to win in order to give Illya a future, and when Maiya was dying. The remaining episodes should satisfy people who are only here for the action... |
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Thess said: Topgunuk69 said: That's the kind of thing they really shouldn't leave to additional materials. The novel isn't showing erotic scenes. They just imply them. I don't think Gen would like to write half of the cast having sex. It's not as if he'd have to write a descriptive hentai scene (not that he's a stranger to that kind of thing), it could've been something as simple as a passing mention or a scene with them going to bed or waking up together, considering the fact he often goes into painstaking detail describing stuff that's ultimately unimportant like the V-Max I'd have thought something like this would warrant some page space. And as for the comment about half the cast having sex, honestly I got no vibe that any of the other cast members were having sex at all I mean you'd really have to want it to be true to come to that conclusion from reading the LN as far as I'm concerned, and if it's confirmed elsewhere like the Maiya thing then frankly I'm glad it wasn't there in the text because it just doesn't fit with the relationships we're actually shown. One of the things I like about F/Z is that it isn't constrained by the fact that it's an eroge like F/SN so there's no need to shoehorn awkward sex in there. That's cheapened for me somewhat by the possibility that in the background there's apparently a secret orgy going on. |
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