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View Poll Results: Who is the strongest servant in Fate-verse?
Saber (Arturia)
 
101 14.35%
Zero Archer (Gilgamesh)
 
420 59.66%
Zero Lancer (Diarmuid)
 
9 1.28%
Zero Rider (Iskander)
 
29 4.12%
Zero Berserker
 
40 5.68%
Zero Caster (Gilles de Rais)
 
7 0.99%
Zero Assassin (Hassan-i Sabbah)
 
2 0.28%
FSN Archer
 
61 8.66%
FSN Lancer (Cu Chulainn)
 
5 0.71%
FSN Rider
 
1 0.14%
FSN Berserker (Heracles)
 
23 3.27%
FSN Caster
 
0.00%
FSN Assassin (Sasaki Kojirou)
 
1 0.14%
FSN True Assassin
 
1 0.14%
FHA Avenger
 
4 0.57%
Voters: 704

04-30-12, 10:19 AM

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ssjokg said:
BloodRequiem said:
ssjokg said:
I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh.

I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite.


archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber
and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there


I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters.


IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting
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04-30-12, 10:38 AM

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BloodRequiem said:
and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there

He might not be the strongest, but all this hate is unnecessary.
Zero Berserker has style.

Though for the record, it wasn't me who voted for him.
 
04-30-12, 10:43 AM

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ataraxial said:
BloodRequiem said:
and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there

He might not be the strongest, but all this hate is unnecessary.
Zero Berserker has style.

Though for the record, it wasn't me who voted for him.


its pretty much established already that hercules can stomp him
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
 
04-30-12, 10:45 AM

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BloodRequiem said:
its pretty much established already that hercules can stomp him

I said "style," didn't I?
 
04-30-12, 10:53 AM

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ataraxial said:
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its pretty much established already that hercules can stomp him

I said "style," didn't I?


i agree the guy is cool
but this is whos the strongest servant
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
 
04-30-12, 10:54 AM

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BloodRequiem said:
ssjokg said:
BloodRequiem said:
ssjokg said:
I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh.

I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite.


archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber
and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there


I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters.


IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting


He HAS more weapons than that.
 
04-30-12, 10:54 AM

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BloodRequiem said:
i agree the guy is cool
but this is whos the strongest servant

Which is why I didn't vote for him.
I was complaining about the general hate.
 
04-30-12, 11:32 AM

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ssjokg said:
BloodRequiem said:
ssjokg said:
BloodRequiem said:
ssjokg said:
I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh.

I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite.


archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber
and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there


I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters.


IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting


He HAS more weapons than that.


im just saying that she can match him even if he fights from a distance
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
 
04-30-12, 11:32 AM

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ssjokg said:
He HAS more weapons than that.


Aye. But the Hrunting feat shows her ridiculous speed as the arrow was stated to cross 4 km in less than a second. To outrun that would put her speed above mach 14. She can close the gap and turn it into a close quarters sword fight quite easily if his first shot fails.
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04-30-12, 11:38 AM

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dankickyou said:
ssjokg said:
He HAS more weapons than that.


Aye. But the Hrunting feat shows her ridiculous speed as the arrow was stated to cross 4 km in less than a second. To outrun that would put her speed above mach 14. She can close the gap and turn it into a close quarters sword fight quite easily if his first shot fails.


I am just saying that the probability of him winning a fight with her exists,maybe it's small but still there.It's not like he would fight Gil in serious mode...
 
04-30-12, 11:48 AM

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BloodRequiem said:
ssjokg said:
BloodRequiem said:
ssjokg said:
I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh.

I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite.


archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber
and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there


I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters.


IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting


She outran it, yes, but not through her own abilities. First of all, each successive blow was only blocked because Shirou had knowledge of all the failed loops (they'd lost dozens of times to hrunting and because of this he knew exactly what was coming) and even then she had to use the power of a command spell to massively boost her speed far beyond her natural limitations in order to outrun it. Archer was fighting with no master = no command spell = the fight was onesided for numerous reasons. Not a valid win.

Just the fact they had lost previously and more than once should give you your answer of what one can actually expect in this situation.
 
04-30-12, 12:06 PM

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Thalos said:
BloodRequiem said:
ssjokg said:
BloodRequiem said:
ssjokg said:
I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh.

I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite.


archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber
and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there


I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters.


IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting


She outran it, yes, but not through her own abilities. First of all, each successive blow was only blocked because Shirou had knowledge of all the failed loops (they'd lost dozens of times to hrunting and because of this he knew exactly what was coming) and even then she had to use the power of a command spell to massively boost her speed far beyond her natural limitations in order to outrun it. Archer was fighting with no master = no command spell = the fight was onesided for numerous reasons. Not a valid win.

Just the fact they had lost previously and more than once should give you your answer of what one can actually expect in this situation.


using the partial patch I havent seen this scene yet.Only the one shirou gets a hole in his body.Thanks
 
04-30-12, 1:49 PM

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Thalos said:
She outran it, yes, but not through her own abilities. First of all, each successive blow was only blocked because Shirou had knowledge of all the failed loops (they'd lost dozens of times to hrunting and because of this he knew exactly what was coming) and even then she had to use the power of a command spell to massively boost her speed far beyond her natural limitations in order to outrun it. Archer was fighting with no master = no command spell = the fight was onesided for numerous reasons. Not a valid win.

Just the fact they had lost previously and more than once should give you your answer of what one can actually expect in this situation.

What about Avalon?
 
04-30-12, 2:12 PM

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ataraxial said:
Thalos said:
She outran it, yes, but not through her own abilities. First of all, each successive blow was only blocked because Shirou had knowledge of all the failed loops (they'd lost dozens of times to hrunting and because of this he knew exactly what was coming) and even then she had to use the power of a command spell to massively boost her speed far beyond her natural limitations in order to outrun it. Archer was fighting with no master = no command spell = the fight was onesided for numerous reasons. Not a valid win.

Just the fact they had lost previously and more than once should give you your answer of what one can actually expect in this situation.

What about Avalon?


Well... about Avalon. Saber does not really possess Caliburn or Avalon as a heroic spirit, so in most cases both of these are out of the question. And from what I have gathered from seeing it in action and from reading what info there is from it, it is evident she can move while under its protection, but I'm not sure if there's a limit on distance or not, because it is described neither as being attached to her or encompassing an area. I also don't believe she can hurt anyone in it - since it isolates her in another dimensional plane. So while she's safe, so is her opponent. That means if she charges up for an attack her opponent has just as much room to do so and when she's ready to use it she has to expose herself.

In the VN it clearly states that Gilgamesh can't halt his attack and that he was basically stuck where he was, this is why Avalon was used so effectively. In most situations it may be rather useless unless it's used during a single fire shot with enough timing that they don't halt their attack and lose their only opportunity to win.
 
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The question is who's the second strongest servant. By the looks of it, it is Saber. But I don't see how she can take out Iskander, unless Excalibur can take out his whole army.

@Thanos Yes, the reason Avalon was effective against Gilgamesh is because he couldn't halt his attack. So she just ran up to him and used Excalibur.
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isnt it a bit early for that?Not even 24 hours passed since the thread was made.She wont reach Gilgamesh anytime soon but Heracles is close enough.

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But I don't see how she can take out Iskander, unless Excalibur can take out his whole army.


I think a blast from something like Excalibur could destroy RMs but Ionian Hetairoi is Ranked EX and Excalibur A++ but I dont know if this matters.
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ssjokg said:
isnt it a bit early for that?Not even 24 hours passed since the thread was made.She wont reach Gilgamesh anytime soon but Heracles is close enough.

Ragna92 said:
But I don't see how she can take out Iskander, unless Excalibur can take out his whole army.


I think a blast from something like Excalibur could destroy RMs but Ionian Hetairoi is Ranked EX and Excalibur A++ but I dont know if this matters.


future Fate/Zero spoilers

I really doubt it.
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04-30-12, 2:36 PM

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sorry my bad I meant disrupt it.The only way for her to win against his RM would be to concentrate all of her attacks to him in order for his mana to run out faster,and ignore his army which is kinda impossible since they are all Servants.Then again it uses mana from the entire army unlike Emiya who is alone so forget it.
 
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Ragna92 said:
ssjokg said:
isnt it a bit early for that?Not even 24 hours passed since the thread was made.She wont reach Gilgamesh anytime soon but Heracles is close enough.

Ragna92 said:
But I don't see how she can take out Iskander, unless Excalibur can take out his whole army.


I think a blast from something like Excalibur could destroy RMs but Ionian Hetairoi is Ranked EX and Excalibur A++ but I dont know if this matters.



Ionioi Hetairoi itself can be destroyed three ways.

A) Something that breaks down, dispels, or degrades Reality Marbles (I am sure, for example, someone like Medea has enough magical know-how to accomplish this.)

B) Taking out enough troops. Ionioi Hetairoi is an exception to Reality Marbles in this regard. Iskander is not a Caster and he lacks the mana to supply a Reality Marble on his own. It sustains itself through the combined effort of his troops. If enough of them die he wont be able to keep it up. The number required is probably about half the army or so.

C) Taking out Iskander himself (probably) since the troops would likely fall with him. However, assuming they do not, then this method would fail, since Iskander is not the main supplier of the Reality Marble.

As excessive as it is, Enuma Elish can destroy it using any method above. Saber can only destroy it through the last two methods and whether she pulls it off or not is not guaranteed.

Normal Reality Marbles that are supplied directly through the one casting it can only be destroyed by killing said caster or using the first method. Although killing a single person will, in most cases, be easier than killing many.
 
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Why is Avenger not on this list?
 
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