Kimi no Iru Machi Chapter 141 Discussion

Code13_Fate said:
what a bunch of shitty friends he has.

Haruto and Asuka were a couple in name only. they were more like friends with benefits...or rather friends with kissing.

goku08 said:
the best chap ever
fuck them all if they don't wanna them 2 be 2gather
gooooo eba

JadedLover said:
I couldn't agree with you more. Friends are suppose to be there to support you in the decisions you make. They should want him to be happy, not stay in a relationship with Asuka if he loves someone else just so she wont be hurt. Personally I think they have no business sticking their noses in it like they are. And they're acting more like they are Asuka's friends than his or both of theirs. I swear, everybody acts like they don't know the reason Haruto came to Tokyo in the first place was to chase after Eba since he was in love with her. The patch things up with the girl you're not in love with so she doesn't get hurt, or we wont be your friends anymore was really too much.

adamantine said:
Okay, this is sort of in response to the last few posts and an elaboration on what I already said.

Hands down, Asuka is the better, more logical choice. She's a wonderful girl in general and is a great girlfriend to Haruto specifically. She's accepts his more passive personality, is willing to forgive his mistakes, and gives him the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that she's the one always compromising herself to keep their relationship going.

Her willingness to forgive is because of how unequal their feelings are for each other. She knows that if she doesn't that would be the end of their relationship. Asuka doesn't trust Haruto but she pretends she does. Even when proof of his lying is right in front of her face she still wants to forgive him. That's just not healthy for either of them. Haruto is not the best option for Asuka even if she's the best one for him. Asuka deserves to have some casual relationships that don't have so much baggage and eventually finding a guy that loves her as much as she loves him.

While I think Asuka is the "best" choice I believe Eba is the right choice. Haruto and Eba have spent time away from each other and yet they still feel drawn to each other. Tellingly, when it comes to Eba Haruto isn't as spineless and indecisive as his normal self. He goes after her and tells her how he feels. He jumped into that stream after her necklace. As for Eba, she has the potential to be as unwaveringly loyal as Asuka was. You just have to look at her relationship with Kazama to see that.

More importantly, at this point in time, their feelings for each other seem to be equal. Eba was the one to pursue Haruto this time around. Obviously that sucks for Asuka (and definitely paints Eba in a bad light) but Haruto didn't have to respond to Eba's advances. But he did and I think that's enough of a reason for me to not want him to stay with Asuka.

Haruto's friends have a right to call him an asshole but they should not be trying to force him to choose Asuka over Eba. They have seen firsthand the difference in how Haruto acts around both girls. Besides, Haruto and Asuka were never that physically involved and are both fairly young. Asuka is best off moving on. Of course, maybe I'm just the shitty kind of friend that would tell someone to stop taking advantage of other's feelings instead of letting it slide.

tl;dr version: Eba and Haruto deserve each other and Asuka deserves a guy that truly likes her.

ckberserker said:

You are totally right about Asuka deserves better and Eba and Haruto together is a more healthy relationship. But in my eyes, it still doesn't make all those cheatings right. If Haruto doesn't love Asuka, why start dating her and dump her when Eba is back? As a man there are things you do and there are things you absolutely can not do. Haruto should takes his responsibility as a real man!

adamantine said:
Okay, this is sort of in response to the last few posts and an elaboration on what I already said.

Hands down, Asuka is the better, more logical choice. She's a wonderful girl in general and is a great girlfriend to Haruto specifically. She's accepts his more passive personality, is willing to forgive his mistakes, and gives him the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that she's the one always compromising herself to keep their relationship going.

Her willingness to forgive is because of how unequal their feelings are for each other. She knows that if she doesn't that would be the end of their relationship. Asuka doesn't trust Haruto but she pretends she does. Even when proof of his lying is right in front of her face she still wants to forgive him. That's just not healthy for either of them. Haruto is not the best option for Asuka even if she's the best one for him. Asuka deserves to have some casual relationships that don't have so much baggage and eventually finding a guy that loves her as much as she loves him.

While I think Asuka is the "best" choice I believe Eba is the right choice. Haruto and Eba have spent time away from each other and yet they still feel drawn to each other. Tellingly, when it comes to Eba Haruto isn't as spineless and indecisive as his normal self. He goes after her and tells her how he feels. He jumped into that stream after her necklace. As for Eba, she has the potential to be as unwaveringly loyal as Asuka was. You just have to look at her relationship with Kazama to see that.

More importantly, at this point in time, their feelings for each other seem to be equal. Eba was the one to pursue Haruto this time around. Obviously that sucks for Asuka (and definitely paints Eba in a bad light) but Haruto didn't have to respond to Eba's advances. But he did and I think that's enough of a reason for me to not want him to stay with Asuka.

Haruto's friends have a right to call him an asshole but they should not be trying to force him to choose Asuka over Eba. They have seen firsthand the difference in how Haruto acts around both girls. Besides, Haruto and Asuka were never that physically involved and are both fairly young. Asuka is best off moving on. Of course, maybe I'm just the shitty kind of friend that would tell someone to stop taking advantage of other's feelings instead of letting it slide.

tl;dr version: Eba and Haruto deserve each other and Asuka deserves a guy that truly likes her.

-Quasar said:



lol I hope you're not serious. Real friends will call you out if you do something stupid or retarded. Not support it. The thing is, Haruto is okay with everything as long as he can be with Eba.

His friends might be overstepping and over reacting by leaving him but he deserved everything he's getting. I don't know why people are even okay with this, unless you're an Eba shipper and I'm not even an Asuka shipper myself. It felt like she used Asuka as a replacement for Eba and throw her away after Eba going all emotional on him.

Also, you cannot blame his friends because they are close to Asuka themselves and they know her well enough that she is an honest and sincere to Haruto all the time. They also know what Eba did to Haruto so they are furious how he betrayed his loyal girlfriend to get back to that same Eba who made him look like a fool and a tool in the entire Tokyo arc.

JadedLover said:
That's if you find what he did to be "stupid and retarded." I don't. Staying with someone you don't love just so you don't hurt them, I feel, is more stupid and more retarded.

JadedLover said:
And his friends "might" be over-reacting? Please, to end childhood friendships over this is more than over-reacting. It's childish to the extreme.

JadedLover said:
I think he really has feelings for Asuka, but the ones he has for Eba are just stronger.) Does that mean he should stay in a relationship with Asuka? No. Granted, like I said, the way he dumped her wasn't right, but to stay with her wouldn't be right either.

JadedLover said:
If his friends are furious with him for going back to Eba after what she did to him, (which it did say they understood and weren't mad at her for) than how is guilting Haruto into staying with Asuka any different? It's not. Eba dated Kazuma out of quilt, and they're trying to get Haruto to date Asuka out of guilt.

JadedLover said:
I do think though that Akari and what's his face should at least stick up for Haruto more since those 2 have been his best friends since childhood. Like I have already said, be pissed over the way he dumped her, but support his decision to be with the one he loves, not bag their lifetime friendships over it.

JadedLover said:
He doesn't deserve that.

-Quasar said:


Different circumstances. It's not the same. Haruto dated Asuka because he loved her. Eba did it through guilt and pity, he never liked Kazama at all. Also, it's not like Haruto doesn't love Asuka anymore, he just thinks he loves Eba more.

coolxal said:
Haruto didn't Asuka because he loved, he dated her cause Asuka guilted him into dating her. If he didn't date her, he would've lost his friend in Tokyo.

It was also out of obligation. After Kazuma died, he had an obligation to take care of Kazuma's best female friend.

-Quasar said:
Yes, I do. He lied, he got caught red-handed then the day after that. He just called it quits. Is that a proper way to broke up with Asuka or any kind of relationship? Definitely no. That's why his friends thinks he is rushing over his decision. And it's not like he said he doesn't love Asuka anymore. He just feels he loves Eba more and that's different from "Staying with someone you don't love".

-Quasar said:
They are also close friends to Asuka. They think of Asuka as a sincere and honest girl while Haruto dumped her abruptly for a girl they know who shitted and made a fool of him. What do you expect? Also, they are just also caught up in the moment. They will accept it in due time much to my chagrin.

-Quasar said:
Yes, because if you find someone you love more than your current girlfriend. You just cut them off no matter what you have gone through. That's stupid, he didn't even bother to explain or talk it through with Asuka. He just said "I'm sorry. Please break up with me"

-Quasar said:
Different circumstances. It's not the same. Haruto dated Asuka because he loved her. Eba did it through guilt and pity, he never liked Kazama at all. Also, it's not like Haruto doesn't love Asuka anymore, he just thinks he loves Eba more.

-Quasar said:
They just don't support his decision. What they said about "their friendship being over" is just in the heat of the moment.

-Quasar said:
Nah, he deserves it.

parttea said:
...it also shows you how good this manga is by leaving the reader conflicting emotion base on your look of things. this only my opinion and everybody has the right to say what they want.

2-D said:
In GE they're breaking up again and in Kimi no Iru machi they're hooking up again.

JadedLover said:
If you refer to my above post, I stated three times that the way he ended the relationship wasn't right.

JadedLover said:
I didn't know his friends thought he was rushing over his decision. Where did you read that? All I read was "make up with Asuka or we wont be your friends anymore." That's a far cry from, "Dude, you really need to think this through before you do anything hasty."

JadedLover said:
"It's not like he said he doesn't love Asuka anymore." Where has it ever said he does? It doesn't. In fact, a few chapters back he says he thinks he loves her.That's quite a bit different from knowing you love someone (And as long as they've been dating you'd think he'd know by now. Since he doesn't, either he doesn't love her, or he's going to find out the hard way by the "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" scenario.). And he knows he loves Eba, so yes, that is the same as staying with someone you don't love.

JadedLover said:
If they are just caught up in the moment and will come around in time, that = over-reaction any way you look at it. I hope they do come around. If they meant it, and they don't come around, then they would be shitty friends, which was the start of all of this.

JadedLover said:
As for what Eba did, it sounds to me like you're way more butt hurt over it than their characters are. They understood why she did what she did and didn't hold it against her. Also, you keep leaving out the fact that they are Eba's friends as well.

JadedLover said:
He doesn't love her. /story I've now lost track of how many times I've said that was a shitty way to handle it. How many more times are you going to bring that up so I have to say the same thing?

-Quasar said:
He didn't date her because he loved her. He dated her because he thought she was cute and thought he might want to date her. (She rather forced the issue by saying she didn't want to be around him anymore.) Granted, I'm sure his feelings grew for her while they were dating, and he obviously cares a
lot for her, but that doesn't mean he loves her.

JadedLover said:
So if he keeps dating her because his friends want him to, while being in love with someone else (who he [knows he loves), it will be out of pity and guilt. Same thing.

JadedLover said:
So like I said, call him an ass, jerk or whatever adjective you want, get over it, and support his being with the person he wants to be with. Otherwise, if they really mean to end a lifelong friendship over this, then they are shitty friends. Which, once again, was the start of all of this.

JadedLover said:
You have your opinion, I have mine. We just don't agree.

Laevantein said:
I just LOVE KnIM's thread...

-Quasar said:
Yes, you stated it three times and you said you're okay with it and you said he wasn't stupid. Ooohkay.

-Quasar said:
Do you honestly believe they will not talk to him anymore?

-Quasar said:
Long story short: He loves likes Asuka but he likes loves Eba more.

-Quasar said:
I did say they overreacted right? Plus, they will accept it. It's not hoping it's the clicheness and predictability of this manga. Do you want to bet on it?

-Quasar said:
lol butthurt? I ain't even mad, I actually stopped caring but I like arguing. They are also Eba's friends alright but they spent more time with Asuka than Eba ever did and they know what Eba did to Haruto.

-Qausar said:
Haha you've got to be kidding me. Do I have to really spell it out for you?

> No one dates a girl for 1 1/2 years because he doesn't love her
> There is a chapter titled "This time for sure" where they got really intimate and Haruto made sure it will work this time. Thanks for Seo's marvelous writing, it was no longer relevant.
> They were going on a trip with Haruto's hard earned money for Asuka sake before Eba came... and so forth. There are many instances that implied that he really love Asuka, then Eba happened.

-Quasar said:
Eh no, Kazama's case is different. That one is out of guilt and pity, He dated Asuka voluntarily and willingly.

-Quasar said:
Still deserves it.

JadedLover said:
Never have I said I'm okay with it. I have emphatically asserted multiple times that it was shitty. How you read that as me being okay with it is beyond me. What I am okay with, is the overall ending of their relationship. Two entirely separate issues.

JadedLover said:

Fixed.

JadedLover said:
Yeah, butt hurt. I would have never guessed you like arguing. And you can arguably say that the amount of time they spent with Eba was greater. She lived with Haruto, whose house they spent a great deal of time at, went to school with them from morning till afternoon etc. College classes are shorter, and it never implies them having any classes with Asuka. Plus she's in baseball which it says takes up a lot of her time.

JadedLover said:
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JadedLover said:
Sure he dated her willingly. I've never denied that, however, if he continues to date her due to his friends issuing ultimatums, it will be out of guilt and pity, not his choice. Same thing.

-Quasar said:
The end doesn't justify the means.

-Quasar said:
Okay, let me rephrase that. He loves Asuka but he loves Eba more. The fact that Haruto only thinks he loves Asuka, while knowing he loves Eba doesn't matter since I know his feelings better than he does.

-Quasar said:
Eh no, Eba is just there for one Term if I recall and she goes back to Tokyo after that. While Asuka was there in them in college, back in town for vacation. Plus, as I said before. They know how awfully she ended his relationship with Haruto While "everyone understands that's why there isn't a single idiot who still hates or blames you (Eba) for it" I'm still going to keep bringing this up, while Asuka has been loyal and trusting on their whole relationship.

-Quasar said:
lol it's not naivety you're just that dense if you didn't realize that if it wasn't for Eba, they would have life happily ever after.

-Quasar said:
Let me put it this simple, Haruto and Asuka liked each other, Kazama and Eba was a one-sided affair. Not. The. Same. Thing.

-Quasar said:
The ending will never be good because he did it a selfish dick and douchebag way.

-Quasar said:
A lot of Shoujo manga involves a love triangle where the main girl loves both but in the end like the other person more, that is the case in this.

JadedLover said:
Your memory is as wrong about this as it was about the chapter. She got there in early spring while the cherry blossoms were blooming, and left in winter when Haruto showed her the ice flower. That would put it around 8-9 months I'd say. So 6-7 hours of school everyday, plus tennis club if I recall correctly, along with everything else previously mentioned > 3 hours of college courses everyday, assuming they have all their classes together and Asuka shows up (they had a discussion which included her lack of showing up) plus any out of school activities.

JadedLover said:
If you really believe that, I'll throw ignorant into the list of adjectives we're tossing out. I'd suggest you do some research. The statistical average of people dating in high school that go on to get married is low in itself. Throw in the "happily ever after" and the average drops down to < 2%. Granted, this is a work of pure fiction negating the the need for any real life fact, however, as long as we are going to interpret this based on the probability of real life emotion, you can't ignore real life fact. Not to mention this is a drama, and happily ever after is for fairy tales and shojos.

JadedLover said:
I'll make this as simple as I can. Haruto and Asuka's relationship is now over. The reason he dated her prior to now is irrelevant. What is relevant is the here and now. Should he start to date her now, because he caves in to the peer pressure of the ultimatum issued by his friends and not by his own choice (since he chose to be with Eba), while being in love with, and wanting to date and be with someone else, it would be out of guilt and pity, not by his choice. Guilt because he feels bad over the shitty way he treated her (at least he should), and pity because he feels sorry for the miserable way she is feeling right now (and once again, at least he should). Guilt + pity = Guilt + pity. Same thing.

JadedLover said:
And you think this ending would work out better? The only thing that would happen here is Haruto would resent both his friends and Asuka for keeping him from being with the person he's in love with. How do you think Asuka would feel knowing she isn't the person he chose to be with? Nothing good would come of his going out with her now.

JadedLover said:
This is irrelevant. KnIM isn't a shojo.

-Quasar said:
and yet again you disregarded how she ended her relationship with Haruto and how they know how loyal and sincere Asuka had been. Nevermind.

-Quasar said:
Emotions should only be relevant in this discussion. Those statistics is irrelevant in manga. Ah, and also, what I meant of "they live happily ever after" is "Having a good ending with them ending up each other and the rest is history. End." Don't take too much context out of it.

-Quasar said:
You said Haruto didn't love her when they dated (before Eba came). I said he did. End of story.

-Quasar said:
*sigh* I'm saying that he doesn't have to be with her if really doesn't love her. I said, he should have at least talk this through Asuka, give her some time to think about it, do some explaining and consider her feelings just a bit. All Haruto was cut off their relationship abruptly.

-Quasar said:
Yes but same situation. Love triangle bs.