Spotlight Anime: Full Metal Panic! MAL Anime Information Page: Full Metal Panic! MAL Score – 8.10 (by 40343 users) Ranked - #294 Popularity - #19 For the next week I would like to have a discussion about the anime that focuses on the key elements that we here on MAL use to critically rate an anime: Animation, Sound, Characters, Story, and Enjoyment. I would like everyone to approach this thread as if you were going to write a review and structure your initial post like this: Animation - insert rating Sound - insert rating Characters - insert rating Story - insert rating Enjoyment - insert rating Animation - discuss any pros and cons of the animation styling used in the series, try to include some specifics. Sound - describe any of the things you liked or didn't care for in regards to the music and sound effects used in the series etc... If you are having trouble writing up a review or coming up with specific pros and cons, please don't worry. Just do the best you can with it and if you can only write two or three sentences about any of the 5 elements then that's OK. Not everyone here is currently at a level which will allow them to articulate their thoughts and opinions. After your initial post is made you can feel free to civilly discuss issues of contention. I am sure there will be many opinions expressed here that some of us will disagree upon and criticise and it is for that reason that this entire club exists. So I hope everyone has fun and I am really looking forward to watching this discussion unfold. RESULTS OF THE YOU DECIDE POLL Full Metal Panic was NOT inducted into the club Anime list: 15 Yes - 21.4% 55 No - 78.5% 20 Don't know this anime - 19.4% of the total number polled 13 Abstained - 12.6% of the total number polled |
santetjanMay 31, 2010 2:52 PM
| You do not beg the sun for mercy. |
| this is easily going to get knocked down in the voting. so what i vote doesn't matter. PERSONALLY, i think it's great. we've been over the sagara discussions before, but honestly i can't compare him to any other male character. what i mean is he IS actually unique contrary to popular belief in this club. im mentioning sagara since he carries the show btw. anyway, im not in the mood to write a lot about this, and i dont think i'll bother anyway. but it balanced the comedy and action/drama better than a lot of shows, which would be hard to do considering these two elements are more clearly separated from each other, but i didn't notice any extreme jumps between the two. it was smooth. also Gauron has to be one of my favorite villains. possibly just because his VA in the dub is a god, and makes him x100000 more badass and pro, but he also helped carry the show, and made it that much more interesting. the worst thing is a show with a good protaganist and story and all that, yet the villain is generic as fuck. thankfully that is not the case. ANYWAY, FOR THOSE WHO CARE. this doesn't match up to fumoffu and TSR, since kyoani > gonzo. |
| I disagree, I found Gauron to be the very definition of generic. Most notably he had the bad habit of coming back from the (supposed) dead. Sure, the show never outright claimed him to be dead, it was always an assumption; but it still always bothered me. I do agree that Sousuke is a unique character, but the story around him is rarely all that interesting and, Chidori, a character from FMP! I like as well, didn't really come into her own imo until the later two series. FMP! is an example of style over substance imo and, no, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. I also don't see it having any chance what so ever, though I can say it is nowhere near as bad as some of the other members of this club will say it is. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| A below average badly conceived harem disguised as warfare anime with stinky art, average animation and generic characters - except maybe Sagara. No. |
 Waratte Oemashou Sore ha Chiisana Inori |
| I've never seen anything fail so hard at being funny before. Seriously, every attempt this story made at being funny or nteresting fell flat on it's face so hard it was barely watchable! |
insan3soldiern said: I disagree, I found Gauron to be the very definition of generic. Most notably he had the bad habit of coming back from the (supposed) dead. Sure, the show never outright claimed him to be dead, it was always an assumption; but it still always bothered me. Well I guess I just dig the calm and composed villains that are pure evil just because, since that's basically what Gauron is. The fact that he seemingly can't die makes him that much more entertaining and evil in my eyes. That said, I guess he is pretty generic. But he stands out from other villains for me, and from what I can tell I have his English VA to thank for that. |
BigSimo said: Well I guess I just dig the calm and composed villains that are pure evil just because, since that's basically what Gauron is. Those are so cliché :P |
AfterGlow said: BigSimo said: Well I guess I just dig the calm and composed villains that are pure evil just because, since that's basically what Gauron is. Those are so cliché :P lol quiet you. Gauron is special to me at least |
| I shouldn't even bother arguing for it since I wasted far too much time arguing for TSR to no avail. Anyone who didn't vote yes for TSR isn't voting yes for this thus FMP is doomed from the start. Too bad really, since FMP is the best small scale mecha and military series ever. Unlike with TSR of Fumoffu, enjoy that your arbitrary reasons for voting this down might actually be justifiable this time. Sousuke Sagara = Perfect character. Kaname Chidori = Better than most female leads. Gauron = NOT cliché. If he truly was pure evil then yes, but he also had an underline sexual attraction to Sousuke. Gates was the PURE evil one. Kurz & Melissa = Well done versions of unoriginal archetypes. Teletha Testarossa = ... they can't all be good. ladyxzeus said: Extremely unreasonable statement, considering that Kurz and/or Shinji are almost always around; you seem to confusing this series for Dual. Go back and look at all the crap that came out in 2002, the art in FMP wasn't the best but it was better than average for the time. As for the characters, unoriginal MAYBE but even Stretch Armstrong couldn't make it to generic without snapping.A below average badly conceived harem disguised as warfare anime with stinky art, average animation and generic characters - except maybe Sagara. Dozer said: So what do you think was funny? Samurai Pizza Cats, Grenadier? Comedy might be subjective but believing that FMP is as unfunny as you claim is foolish at best.I've never seen anything fail so hard at being funny before. Seriously, every attempt this story made at being funny or nteresting fell flat on it's face so hard it was barely watchable! ridojiri said: That's very specific of you and by wearing my 'your vision goggles' I see exactly what your talking about; unfortunately the moment I take those off, everything I saw becomes irrelevant and perfectly contrasted by superior evidence. It seems like you expected the show to be more realistic that it actually is or should be. This actually seems to be a common occurrence causing people to dislike FMP, but try considering that it (like most anime) is actually not very realistic. How do you feel about it now?Everything was done so wrong. At least that is my view. I simply see it as a James Bond where Sagara is a *ing retard, and everything is *ed up and utterly stupid beyond belief. My willing suspension of dis-belief was wiped out, episode... 2/3? |
| Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gay as I am in wanting to read in sexual tension where there is none, I'm going to need you to explain Gauron's sexual attraction to Souske in the anime. I did not see that at all. Also, I do think Gauron was cliche. It wasn't the pure evil of Gates, but I think it was that manipulative, obsessed evil that permeates anime much more. For me, FMP was milquetoast at the core with little flourishes of brilliance. And by that, I pretty much mean Souske. Chidori was a very 2-d tsundere, harisen in tow, and I honestly can't think of anything else that stood out either negatively or positively. I gave the show a 7, and that was only because of Souske. he made it above average, but not exemplary. |
| I cannot accept your reasoning bbobjsm, as I participated in Chidori's spotlight and could not stand it. Bai. |
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| Hmmm....so most of that totally flew over my head when I watched it...but put together like that, it's pretty damning evidence. |
| That link does a much better job of explaining it than I ever could but since I brought it up these are the lines that stood out to me. Things Gauron said, not quite exact quotes: "Looks like fate draws us together Kashim!" "From the first moment I saw you... those eyes, those pure innocent eyes, the eyes of a perfect solider. I wanted to destroy those eyes." "What happened to those eyes? They've changed; it was HER wasn't it? SHE ruined those eyes." And of course most damning of all: "I love you Kashim!" Other considerations were the twins being male in the novels and the semi-canon paring on a magazine cover in Lucky Star (which remains the only moment of that show I fully enjoyed). |
bbobjs said: So what do you think was funny? Samurai Pizza Cats, Yes, and I feel sorry for you if you don't think so. bbobjs said: Grenadier? That's not a comedy story, moron! (Not that it wasn't delightful at certain bits, I might add...) bbojs said: Comedy might be subjective but believing that FMP is as unfunny as you claim is foolish at best. Well I'm sorry, but if I experience something, I believe it. And since I experienced Full Metal Panic to be unfunny, IT'S UNFUNNY! |
bbobjs said: That link does a much better job of explaining it than I ever could but since I brought it up these are the lines that stood out to me. Things Gauron said, not quite exact quotes: "Looks like fate draws us together Kashim!" "From the first moment I saw you... those eyes, those pure innocent eyes, the eyes of a perfect solider. I wanted to destroy those eyes." "What happened to those eyes? They've changed; it was HER wasn't it? SHE ruined those eyes." And of course most damning of all: "I love you Kashim!" Other considerations were the twins being male in the novels and the semi-canon paring on a magazine cover in Lucky Star (which remains the only moment of that show I fully enjoyed). Dude... No. |
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Dozer said: Genres: Adventure, Comedy, Ecchi, Shounenbbobjs said: Grenadier? That's not a comedy story... Dozer said: Ditto, thus you're foolish. See how this isn't productive? I'll actually do you one better though:Well I'm sorry, but if I experience something, I believe it. And since I experienced Full Metal Panic to be unfunny, IT'S UNFUNNY! I didn't find Lucky Star funny; however I can understand how/why someone might think it's funny. Thus I would not say "I've never seen anything fail so hard at being funny before. Seriously, every attempt this story made at being funny or nteresting fell flat on it's face so hard it was barely watchable!" and instead would say "I didn't find it humorous, which definitely lowered my enjoyment." I would then disregard my own opinion, because opinions are worthless, and instead cite that "Lucky Star is terrible loli shit that slowly corrodes the anime industry and effectively equates to spying on junior high school girls with at least mild social/mental disorders; any merit it my have is completely countered by blatant moe pandering... except Lucky Channel segments, which were awesome." See what I mean? I don't doubt that you found it unfunny but aside from you, who cares? Could you instead cite specific things, maybe moments you remember being especially not funny? Otherwise what's the point of having these threads, we should all just come into them and say: randomdude69-420-24/7/365 said: CTRL+C, CTRL+V... actually put it in alternating caps first.Never before have I seen a show fail so hard at being good. It was so ungood that I watched the whole thing just to see how not good it was going to be. I missed sleep, work and didn't bother getting up to poop because of how epic the ungoodness of this worthless pile of crap was. |
bbobjsMay 25, 2010 2:35 PM
bbobjs said: I didn't find Lucky Star funny; however I can understand how/why someone might think it's funny. Thus I would not say "I've never seen anything fail so hard at being funny before. Seriously, every attempt this story made at being funny or nteresting fell flat on it's face so hard it was barely watchable!" and instead would say "I didn't find it humorous, which definitely lowered my enjoyment." I would then disregard my own opinion, because opinions are worthless, and instead cite that "Lucky Star is terrible loli shit that slowly corrodes the anime industry and effectively equates to spying on junior high school girls with at least mild social/mental disorders; any merit it my have is completely countered by blatant moe pandering... except Lucky Channel segments, which were awesome." To be fair, your Lucky Star "citation" was full of subjectivity, too. Also, "unfunny" is not the same thing as "anti-funny" is to me. Anti-funniness would actually cancel out some future (or past?!) laughter. This can happen to me if I'm being bored out of my mind, but I'm not sure that that's what Dozer meant. Maybe, though. Anyway, to me FMP! hardly appeared to try to be a comedy nearly as much as Fumoffu did, even if it was a worthy comedy to you. Comedy is clearly "especially" subjective, so there's no point in trying to convince someone that they're "wrong" for not laughing, is there? |
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bbobjs said: Dozer said: Genres: Adventure, Comedy, Ecchi, Shounenbbobjs said: Grenadier? That's not a comedy story... Disclamer: I am not responsible for mismanaged tag labeling by retarded myanimelist.net staff. |
| @Daisuki-chan: Things I said: -Extremely vague subjective statements are worthless information. -Comedy is subjective. -Believing your stance on subjective matters to be absolute is foolish. Things I didn't say: -FMP is funny. -Finding FMP to not be funny makes you 'wrong.' @Dozer: Sadly, Wikipedia agrees with you. ================================================== EDIT: At the request of noteDhero, I'll avoid adding posts to this thread and just edit this one to respond. @Dozer's post featured below: ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED OR SOMETHING? Both of those views ARE YOUR OPINION, you fucking imbecile! As long as you say something with which you agree with, IT'S YOUR OPINION! Incorrect! Both statements contain my opinion but it would not be true to say that both statements are purely my opinion; this is the difference I want you to realize.Did you serieously only NOW realise that a person's opinion will NEVER change if he/she already has one? You only NOW came to the realisation that to a person, if they already have an opinion on the matter, their own opinion will forever be superior to the opinion of ANYBODY ELSE??? Reflect on your initial statement:Do you even fucking understand the reason you take part in these threads? Do you even have a reason to talk about things with other people AT ALL? If you don't even fucking CARE to discuss shit with other people, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?! "I've never seen anything fail so hard at being funny before. Seriously, every attempt this story made at being funny or nteresting fell flat on it's face so hard it was barely watchable!" -Dozer Not only is it your purely subjective opinion, it contains absolutely no indication that you're even talking about FMP. It's completely vague and could be transposed into any spotlight without alteration; it tells me nothing about WHY you found FMP unfunny, it tells me nothing about WHAT in FMP wasn't funny, it tells me NOTHING about FMP at all, it is WORTHLESS information. So I ask you Dozer, do you even understand the reason you take part in these threads? You claim to believe that opinions cannot be changed, thus by consequence you believe that there is nothing you could say (type) that would alter someone's vote and conversely nothing someone could say that would alter your vote. If you actually believe this then there is no logical reason to participate... unless you're a liar. Do you (Dozer) even have a reason to talk about things with other people AT ALL!? Assuming you're not a liar and you do believe what you claim to then there is no reason you'd even want to talk to anyone. They already have their opinion and you already have your's, neither could possibly change the other's. I suppose you could exchange facts, but in a reality where opinion cannot be changed fact is worthless. Since according to your logic you clearly shouldn't even care to discuss anything with anyone, why are you even here? You see Dozer you're trapped now, either you're a logical contradiction or you're a liar; pick your poison and die, good day. |
bbobjsMay 26, 2010 5:54 PM
| Now that that is cleared up, let's keep discussion on FMP. I don't want this devolving into people going back and forth about hypothetical statements, and what response they should receive. |
| Also, now that MYSQL is working on this site again: bbobjs said: I didn't find Lucky Star funny; however I can understand how/why someone might think it's funny. Thus I would not say "I've never seen anything fail so hard at being funny before. Seriously, every attempt this story made at being funny or nteresting fell flat on it's face so hard it was barely watchable!" and instead would say "I didn't find it humorous, which definitely lowered my enjoyment." I would then disregard my own opinion, because opinions are worthless, and instead cite that "Lucky Star is terrible loli shit that slowly corrodes the anime industry and effectively equates to spying on junior high school girls with at least mild social/mental disorders; any merit it my have is completely countered by blatant moe pandering... except Lucky Channel segments, which were awesome." ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED OR SOMETHING? Both of those views ARE YOUR OPINION, you fucking imbecile! As long as you say something with which you agree with, IT'S YOUR OPINION! bbojs said: See what I mean? I don't doubt that you found it unfunny but aside from you, who cares? wow Wow. WOW! WOW! Did you serieously only NOW realise that a person's opinion will NEVER change if he/she already has one? You only NOW came to the realisation that to a person, if they already have an opinion on the matter, their own opinion will forever be superior to the opinion of ANYBODY ELSE??? Do you even fucking understand the reason you take part in these threads? Do you even have a reason to talk about things with other people AT ALL? If you don't even fucking CARE to discuss shit with other people, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?! |
bbobjs said: @Daisuki-chan: Things I said: -Extremely vague subjective statements are worthless information. -Comedy is subjective. -Believing your stance on subjective matters to be absolute is foolish. Things I didn't say: -FMP is funny. -Finding FMP to not be funny makes you 'wrong.' Your Lucky Star "citation" was very subjective and not "supported", either. You made various assumptions and conclusions that didn't really do anything but "pander" to those who would have already agreed with you. |
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