Samurai 8: Hachimaru Den Chapter 43 Discussion

mcjazzman32 said:
It didn't make any sense to introduce a character like Nanashi, who would have been a perfect love interest and partner, only to throw her away and bring in Ann and basically tell readers to their face, "This is who you will love."

uninstallthegame said:
not sure if overambitious or just half-baked

Sateramao said:

Awesome, hope kishi do a sequel for this :)

otilia84p said:
So this is the best Kishimoto could do after doing all that planning work for 4-5 years. Pathetic. The thing that I disliked the most about the manga were the characters. Hachi is one of the worst protagonists I've seen. The main characters also had atrocious character designs. One of Naruto's strongest points was the character design work, I wonder if Kishimoto completely lost his touch or if he purposefully made the main cast look as bland, ugly and unappealing as possible. Kishimoto should honestly retire as a mangaka at this point, especially if he isn't willing to draw anymore. The last 200 chapters of Naruto were complete garbage and ruined the manga for me. Samurai 8 was a total joke. He's rich, so he'll be just fine.

If I feel bad about someone, it's the artist. He's very talented, but he should stay away from Kishimoto if he wants to try out future ideas.

Jump's desperation is showing if this is what they tried to promote, in a furious way, even before the serialization officially started.

Zeroflamez said:
I wouldn't mind seeing a spin off about Ann and the rest of them..Likely won't ever happen. look forward to re-reading this as the collected volumes come out in the West.
Just wanted to let you know you're an asshole.

otilia84p said:

Why should I care about your opinion?

Zeroflamez said:

It's not an opinion. You are objectively an asshole.

otilia84p said:

But it is your opinion. It's based on your fee fees.

Zeroflamez said:

It's not an opinion. You are objectively an asshole. Kishimoto without a doubt worked very hard those 4-5 years on creating Samurai 8 and you are being condescending and shitting all over it because you didn't like it and believing he should retire because it wasn't successful. Creators work hard to bring you stories to enjoy and not all of them will be very good and may even be terrible. But at least respect the author and the effort they put into it if anything else. Say what you want about the work but as soon as you start insulting and demeaning the person that created it you are now an asshole.

Zeroflamez said:

Oh so you're an immature asshole? Even better. No it isn't my opinion based on my "fee fee's". You are just objectively an asshole. Anyone that degrades someone and discredits someones hard work just because what they created is something you don't like is called being an asshole.

otilia84p said:


Those are your own personal fee fees and opinions, not exactly objective in any way(but if you say that it's objective 10 more times maybe it will become a reality, at least in your own mind). I get it that you're upset, but you'll get over it eventually. And you're very mature compared to me, as we both discuss about a Japanese comic book that is aimed at teenagers, on a forum about Japanese animations.

Zeroflamez said:

OH so on top of being immature you're also ignorant too? Why am I not surprised? Oh man it's not like you can't be mature and post on an Anime forum as well as discuss a comic book aimed at teens. That wouldn't be possible of course. Discussing a comic book aimed at teens on an Anime forum is only reserved for immature teenagers and man children which you are obviously are apart of said demographics. "Fee Fee's" yeah you sure are proving my point. Yes it's certainly possible for someone to be objectively be an asshole. I suppose someone pushing an old lady down the stairs is objectively not an asshole too and to think they are an asshole is just an opinion.

otilia84p said:

It's clearly a given that you're a neckbeard. What's next, are you gonna tip your fedora? Don't worry, I haven't pushed Kishimoto down the stairs. He did push himself at the bottom of the magazine, but that's a story for another time.

Zeroflamez said:

Of course it's a given I'm a neck beard when you're typing things like "Fee Fee's" and going out of your way to write a whole paragraph of just shitting on an author and his works with no constructive criticism in site. As well as trying to give career trajectory by saying Kishimoto should retire and that Okubo needs to stay away from Kishimoto because of one unsuccessful project. I strongly suspect you're the neck beard unfortunately.

otilia84p said:

You're very upset by my opinions, I get it. You don't agree, fine, get over it. You do lack a lot of self awareness, but at least you admit that you are a neckbeard. Kishimoto couldn't care less about us, he's busy swimming in his Naruto royalties.

otilia84p said:
So this is the best Kishimoto could do after doing all that planning work for 4-5 years. Pathetic. The thing that I disliked the most about the manga were the characters. Hachi is one of the worst protagonists I've seen. The main characters also had atrocious character designs. One of Naruto's strongest points was the character design work, I wonder if Kishimoto completely lost his touch or if he purposefully made the main cast look as bland, ugly and unappealing as possible. Kishimoto should honestly retire as a mangaka at this point, especially if he isn't willing to draw anymore. The last 200 chapters of Naruto were complete garbage and ruined the manga for me. Samurai 8 was a total joke. He's rich, so he'll be just fine.

If I feel bad about someone, it's the artist. He's very talented, but he should stay away from Kishimoto if he wants to try out future ideas.

Jump's desperation is showing if this is what they tried to promote, in a furious way, even before the serialization officially started.

abystoma2 said:
I mean, at least we got the end without having to go through hundreds of chapters. The whole manga was terrible, but I expect the last chapter to be much worse. Not that bad for being axed.

I mean, yeah, the "romance" was really awfully written, but isn't Nanashi a dude?

realhokage01 said:


How was actually awfully written? Aún and Hachimaru's relationship is one of the strongest points of the manga

Zeroflamez said:
Just wanted to let you know you're an asshole.

Zeroflamez said:
Kishimoto without a doubt worked very hard those 4-5 years on creating Samurai 8.

abystoma2 said:

They just got paired randomly and went with just one small bump. Se started to like hem because of her brother and he started to like her because he was... simple-minded or something? It felt so artificial, really.


He's right tho. Kishimoto absolutely failed.

I somehow doubt that there was much hard work involved in the creation of Samurai 8. It ceratinly doesn't show. Oh, and don't forget that Samurai 8 was serialized only for less than a year, so if Kishimoto actually spend 4 years to think up this, then it was really just a waste of time.

Zeroflamez said:
You do realize someone can work hard on something and put the effort in only to fail, right? That's reality.

Zeroflamez said:
I don't know why I'm replying to this when likely you're just agreeing with yourself anyway, due to the poster I was initially responding to has absolutely nothing on their profile. So I'm gonna assume that's an alt of yours.

abystoma2 said:
Yeah, and I'm not going to praise a professional just because they've tried. The result is what counts.

Now that's a paranoia lol.

Zeroflamez said:
However going as far to say his efforts and everything else that went into Samurai 8 was a waste of time is just down right disrespectful

abystoma2 said:
Disrespectful doesn't mean it's not true. I have exactly 0 reasons why should I respect the author. Maybe he should try writing something readable next time. Time and resources were only wasted on Samurai 8. Resources outside of just the author's effort. Jump pumped quite a lot into advertising the series.

abystoma2 said:
Disrespectful doesn't mean it's not true. I have exactly 0 reasons why should I respect the author. Maybe he should try writing something readable next time. Time and resources were only wasted on Samurai 8. Resources outside of just the author's effort. Jump pumped quite a lot into advertising the series.

Zeroflamez said:
Kishimoto tried his hand at Samurai 8. It didn't pan out very well, he learns from it and moves on. Jump put too much behind Samurai 8 too early. They fucked up. They learn from it and move on. Just because something doesn't work out and mistakes were made does not mean it was a waste of time. Everyone involved in this all learned something from this. Of course you only respect the author when they give you something you enjoy reading right? Fans like you are assholes. Go fuck yourself entitled faggot.

abystoma2 said:


You know, I would expect that author that already started a succesful franchise wouldn't commit amateur mistakes.

"Just because something doesn't work out and mistakes were made does not mean it was a waste of time."
I literally was though. Tell me a single thing that someone learned from this, other than not trusting Kishimoto with his next work.

"Of course you only respect the author when they give you something you enjoy reading right? "
That's how that generally works, yes. What's wrong with that?

And are you really going for personal insults because someone doesn't fanboy an author? Well, I guess this pure uncritical consumerism is what's needed to even be able to read this manga without cringing.

Zeroflamez said:

The fact you can't see anything wrong with conditional respect shows a lot about your character. You only respect people when they are actively giving you what you want is quite pathetic. No, I'm going for personal insults because I'm tired of fans like you shitting on authors and consistently expecting them to give you something amazing every time. I don't have a problem with people criticizing works or authors nor do I expect people to fan boy these authors or praise them for their flops. But at least have the fucking decency to not discredit the time and effort everyone involved put into making the manga. Why am I even bothering? people like you have no character and lack any kind of empathy.

realhokage01 said:


He said uncritical consumerism, what an idiot. As ir the people that liked this manga was not critical.

BTW, don't complain about personal attacks, when you start to talk crap about the autor himself.

Zeroflamez said:
The fact you can't see anything wrong with conditional respect shows a lot about your character. You only respect people when they are actively giving you what you want is quite pathetic. No, I'm going for personal insults because I'm tired of fans like you shitting on authors and consistently expecting them to give you something amazing every time. I don't have a problem with people criticizing works or authors nor do I expect people to fan boy these authors or praise them for their flops. But at least have the fucking decency to not discredit the time and effort everyone involved put into making the manga. Why am I even bothering? people like you have no character and lack any kind of empathy.

realhokage01 said:

BTW, don't complain about personal attacks, when you start to talk crap about the autor himself.