| the Anti Bot System cannot correct scores from legitimate and long time users afaik so clearly there are group of long time users here on MAL that are vote brigading |
avengingangel2 said: laslodj said: Why are you Fruit's basket fans trying to make this sound like a serious global conflict when anime's get downvoted from the first place all the time? Life is unfair, bear with it. Fruit's basket is a niche anime and cannot surpass the giant that is FMAB. There are literally bot accounts downvoting the anime right now. Fruits Basket is one of the best Shojo anime of all time. As a season, it definitely deserves a high rating because it was a great ending to the story. Your comment might have had a bigger impact, if you hadn't given 1 star to fruba while talking about "the giant that is FMAB." At least give the anime a try (from season 1, not 3 because the story won't make much sense) Yes, I agree with you, every anime needs a chance, but my point is that this happened to many anime's before Fruit's basket and MAL tried to fight it but you can't fight real fans rating it 1/10. Botting 1/10's is not as bad as you think it is (not in the sense that it's not morally bad, of course it is, but in the sense that it happens way less than actual fans rating it 1). MAL's bot detection system is very successful at fighting fully automatic bots, the reason the downvoting is this significant is because FMAB is an anime with an incredible following. It has hundreds of thousands of people coming to its rescue to bring it back to 1st place, but Fruit's basket is a niche anime that has no chance to fight back. Also, I didn't give Fruit's basket a 1/10 out of a grudge or hatred for it because it passed FMAB, that would make everything I said hypocritical, I just rated it that way to make a point. Here's that post if it interests you: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1934678&show=0#post7 . deg said: the Anti Bot System cannot correct scores from legitimate and long time users afaik so clearly there are group of long time users here on MAL that are vote brigading Exactly. |
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avengingangel2 said: laslodj said: Yes, I agree with you, every anime needs a chance, but my point is that this happened to many anime's before Fruit's basket and MAL tried to fight it but you can't fight real fans rating it 1/10. Botting 1/10's is not as bad as you think it is (not in the sense that it's not morally bad, of course it is, but in the sense that it happens way less than actual fans rating it 1). MAL's bot detection system is very successful at fighting fully automatic bots, the reason the downvoting is this significant is because FMAB is an anime with an incredible following. It has hundreds of thousands of people coming to its rescue to bring it back to 1st place, but Fruit's basket is a niche anime that has no chance to fight back. Also, I didn't give Fruit's basket a 1/10 out of a grudge or hatred for it because it passed FMAB, that would make everything I said hypocritical, I just rated it that way to make a point. Here's that post if it interests you: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1934678&show=0#post7 . Exactly. How about instead of making a point, actually rating whatever you have watched with whatever rating you feel it's the best for it? As an entity, The final deserved that 9.18 rating because the people who didn't drop it in the past 2 seasons, love the anime. And some people who loved the first two seasons hated the third and that is also acceptable. You should really remove the rating and add some Tohru into your life. Also, don't forget to drink water. Thank you for reminding me, I have just taken a sip from a bottle and I'm back to full brain power. I am but 1 man that rated this show a 1/10. In the grand scale my opinion and rating are irrelevant. The root of the cause is that Fruit's basket surpassed everything in front of it and became first place. Because being 1st place in everything is a prestigious award, people will want something that they feel is theirs to win it. Mainly FMAB fans and AOT fans are so deluded to rate something that is better than them a 1/10. The reason Fruit's basket fell to 9.08 is because it's fanbase is small and unable to fight. FMAB's fanbase is a giant that is ready to defend it's first place and ready to topple the ones that briefly defeat it. AOT, on the other hand didn't fall just because of FMAB, in fact it probably had the capacity to fight FMAB alone and win, but that wasn't the case. It angered every fanbase and what they get is complete defeat in the hands of many people throwing out 1/10's. A score of measly 8.98 is what is has now. Downvoting will always happen when two fanbases collide and it cannot be stopped. |
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laslodj said: Why are you Fruit's basket fans trying to make this sound like a serious global conflict when anime's get downvoted from the first place all the time? Life is unfair, bear with it. Fruit's basket is a niche anime and cannot surpass the giant that is FMAB. Oh no, god forbid if people care about anything other than famine in Africa and half the global population having consensual intercourse with your mother. |
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positiv2 said: I am going to reply to this quote because why not 👨🏿🦰👨🏿🦰👨🏿🦰👨🏿🦰👨🏿🦰👨🏿🦰👨🏿🦰👨🏿🦰👨🏿🦰👨🏿🦰laslodj said: Why are you Fruit's basket fans trying to make this sound like a serious global conflict when anime's get downvoted from the first place all the time? Life is unfair, bear with it. Fruit's basket is a niche anime and cannot surpass the giant that is FMAB. Oh no, god forbid if people care about anything other than famine in Africa and half the global population having consensual intercourse with your mother. |
positiv2 said: laslodj said: Why are you Fruit's basket fans trying to make this sound like a serious global conflict when anime's get downvoted from the first place all the time? Life is unfair, bear with it. Fruit's basket is a niche anime and cannot surpass the giant that is FMAB. Oh no, god forbid if people care about anything other than famine in Africa and half the global population having consensual intercourse with your mother. Average Furuba stan 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 |
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| How to solve fanbase wars : round the score to the nearest 0.5 The top #35 (8.75) are all at 9.0. Everyone under is at 8.5. (until you reach 8.24 which become 8.0) Randomly order tied animes every day. Bonus : all the fanbases whining about how they don't have their "rightful" place (even those that would be helped by that change). I don't believe the difference between a 8.74 and a 8.25 is very meaningful. But honestly, the rankings only matter if you care about them. I have liked anime ranked under 6 more than some ranked over 8, so what. |
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| Fruits basket has been rested in peace. Unless a big YouTuber don't come for it, it will not be touched. All hail FMA, the best anime of all time who actually stood the test of time for the longest. |
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| What about the legit users who downvote a show? Yes, you made a counter system for the bots but what about the actual MAL users? I'm sure the mods will have a plan for that? Or not? |
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| i call bs on this system clearly, it is of no use to duplicate bot accounts that have been existing for a long time, as everyone can see with the recent and current review bombing of SNK final season part 2 |
| Why don't they just disable rating system for accounts that are less than 5 days old and doesn't have verified emails… |
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stellar24 said: Great job MAL! Honestly, 10 years ago, i heavily referring to rating for my next watchlist. And it's kind of sad to see that people abuse to downgrade certain great anime just to ensure their favorite on top. This did not age well. |
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| I personally don't know what MAL's multi-account detection algorithm will be like, but for some time now I've been detecting a certain multi-account that I know, well... I don't need to say much about the troll. |
BlondieLottieSep 17, 2022 12:33 AM
| One simple way to stop the wars. If you have a top 10 anime at 10 and another top ten anime at 1. Your top 10 scores are ignored. That would stop bots in their tracks. |
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| For the attention of moderators and admins: In the past few feeks (even months) numerous Chainsaw Man-related fake accounts/bots have been created just to manipulate the scores/character favorites/etc. A quick, yet painfully obvious example: https://myanimelist.net/profile/A8b6d4b4d4. Maybe there are some other title-specific cases too, but the Chainsaw Man sector reeks with these. |
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BlondieLottie said: I personally don't know what MAL's multi-account detection algorithm will be like, but for some time now I've been detecting a certain multi-account that I know, well... I don't need to say much about the troll. And guess what they will do nothing to address what you said in your comment . Thanks for your effort btw |
| It would be as easy as just letting verified profiles (either with email or phone number) participate in the global scoring system. The other accounts can still score but not affect the global score. But I'm talking out of my a** I guess, as if it's ever going to be implemented. But hey we have emojis on reviews now. |
| This don't work properly lol |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
| this thread didn't age well considering how many fmab bots are infesting csm and bleach but at least it removed ishuzoku of course, no one is allowed to rate an ecchi a 10/10 here, it has to be fmab |
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Yubisoft said: And guess what they will do nothing to address what you said in your comment . Thanks for your effort btw Obviously they will do nothing. So much so that I'm tired of reporting these accounts (which to top it off continue to do the same thing only with another username) This problem has recently been more driven than ever and it is really unfortunate that the MAL team does absolutely nothing. |
BlondieLottie said: Yubisoft said: And guess what they will do nothing to address what you said in your comment . Thanks for your effort btw Obviously they will do nothing. So much so that I'm tired of reporting these accounts (which to top it off continue to do the same thing only with another username) This problem has recently been more driven than ever and it is really unfortunate that the MAL team does absolutely nothing. Its handled algorithmically, you don't need to report bot accounts and frankly its pointless, the people making them use scripts to mass produce them so it's impossible to ever realistically keep up. |
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| Every time FMAB pulls an anime from #1 rank, it itself loses 0.01 or more from its score, from the rest of the userbase, as a backlash for its toxic community. At some point, for the sake of FMAB being #1 we won't have an anime above 9 anymore. |
| I'm surprised nobody seemed to have realized it by now, but there are REALLY suspicious things going on with the episodes' discussion's scores for almost every seasonal anime since summer Some episodes have thousands of different votes (something that almost never happens except if the episode is particularly popular) and even the less popular anime For example, episode 2 of Bocchi the Rock (59k members) already passed the 1000 votes Meanwhile, episode 1 of the latest season of Tensura (591k members) "only" has 814 votes I don't know if people suddenly started to vote on the episode discussion topics, but imo that's just botting |
Damuzen said: I'm surprised nobody seemed to have realized it by now, but there are REALLY suspicious things going on with the episodes' discussion's scores for almost every seasonal anime since summer Some episodes have thousands of different votes (something that almost never happens except if the episode is particularly popular) and even the less popular anime For example, episode 2 of Bocchi the Rock (59k members) already passed the 1000 votes Meanwhile, episode 1 of the latest season of Tensura (591k members) "only" has 814 votes I don't know if people suddenly started to vote on the episode discussion topics, but imo that's just botting I don't remember when it started, but I've been getting little pop-ups asking me what I thought of an episode after I change my episodes watched status. The new influx of scores could be because of that, a bunch of people who otherwise wouldn't look at the discussion threads just voting because of the pop-up. |
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| https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2084502 seems like the scores and comments are botted. the names are generated name + number. You need a better system. |
| Please, tell me someone that mods are already planning something about Stacks spam. This schizo not only an embarrassment for all of the people kind but he is ruining absolutely great Stacks system with his spam for all of us users. |
KnightmareNEKO said: Please, tell me someone that mods are already planning something about Stacks spam. This schizo not only an embarrassment for all of the people kind but he is ruining absolutely great Stacks system with his spam for all of us users. I suppose you're talking about that user who goes by ishinashi[insert numbers here]? That user is a menace! Who would've thought that other users will get caught too by the spam filter and get unjustly banned all because of them when they should be banned instead for (1) creating multiple accounts, (2) spamming stacks and (3) targeting a community (look at the profile photos of their alts and check some of their posts). Tip: Don't add "Hetero" or "H.etero" (or whatever they use as titles for their stacks) when reporting that user and their stacks/spams to avoid being caught as well by the spam filter. |
IridescentJaune said: I’m just reporting him as a spamerKnightmareNEKO said: Please, tell me someone that mods are already planning something about Stacks spam. This schizo not only an embarrassment for all of the people kind but he is ruining absolutely great Stacks system with his spam for all of us users. I suppose you're talking about that user who goes by ishinashi[insert numbers here]? That user is a menace! Who would've thought that other users will get caught too by the spam filter and get unjustly banned all because of them when they should be banned instead for (1) creating multiple accounts, (2) spamming stacks and (3) targeting a community (look at the profile photos of their alts and check some of their posts). Tip: Don't add "Hetero" or "H.etero" (or whatever they use as titles for their stacks) when reporting that user and their stacks/spams to avoid being caught as well by the spam filter. |
| Does this system detects users that have two accounts and they want to (or try to) DECREASES an anime mean score? For example. Account 1: He rates 3/10 for anime Account 2: He rates 1/10 for that same anime. Theorically it´s not the same score, so I wonder if this system will be able to detect that. |
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