Boku no Hero Academia Chapter 237 Discussion

G_Spark233 said:
If only somebody had actually bothered to help the kid...

JokerVentura said:
So now Shigaraki's backstory is over and after three chapters, honestly it was the biggest emo backstory I have ever seen.
Yes his father was a bit of a dick, abusive....barely, it shows him make him sit outside (like a naughty step) and hit him twice with a slap (yes his dad was a massive twat for that one) but for it to escalate to him slaughtering his entire family is emo as fuck.
The backstory has really cemented for me what I suspected a while ago, Shigaraki is a crap villain, in a story that has had much better villains, including Re-Destro, who will end up just another stepping stone for Shiga-emo.
Can the manga-ka just not realise that other than Dabi, Deadpool Clone and Slasher Girl, the league of villains suck.

Rant over......

G_Spark233 said:
If only somebody had actually bothered to help the kid...

deg said:
its the bystander effect at work again same with what happened to his family that a lot of them just stand around not directly helping Shigaraki against his abusive father

JUS_Koma said:


If you saw someone dangerous looking on the street, would you approach them? The boy killed his entire family and got a kick out of it. He's not normal, the grandma could see that something was wrong with him.

deg said:


ye i would not too but the fact that grandma says he would just let the heroes or police help the kid is just classic example of bystander effect

JUS_Koma said:

The "bystander effect" says that individuals are less likely to offer help to a victim when other people are present. That's not what happened, the old lady did offer help, but saw what was pretty much a monster and left it to the heroes.

JUS_Koma said:

The "bystander effect" says that individuals are less likely to offer help to a victim when other people are present. That's not what happened, the old lady did offer help, but saw what was pretty much a monster and left it to the heroes.

Nobody5464 said:


Except in this world totally innocent people can look like demons so that still just bigotry not a correct response and she didn’t call any hero’s she just told him they’d probably come and left him there.

JUS_Koma said:

Congratulations, you completely missed the point.

Yautja said:
Yup, this is disappointing. This is the wrong path to take him on as a villain. It's far too edgy and emo. It's lacking substance, quality and depth. If they are really trying to sell Tomura as a villain, they really should start focusing on his relationship to Nana, and I 100% know that's going to come out at some point as some "you're the grandchild of this great person" kind of shit instead of making it a genuine internal conflict. I fucking wish that any of the other villains would take the spotlight because it doesn't look like Tomura is going to get any better.

Nobody5464 said:
why the hell would that be his path? He doesn’t know nana. He has no connection to nana. Nana is nothing to him. Him being nana’s grandson is important to all mights and deku’s story and mental state. it doesn’t matter to him at all and it would be very very forced to make him actually care about that.

Nobody5464 said:


How did I mis the point. You were arguing this wasn’t the bystander effect because the old lady was considering offering help but then didn’t because “oh the kid is scary looking” and I said because of quirks judging someone by appearance is bigotry even if it seems to be normal and that she still didn’t offer help but instead pawned it onto someone else and didn’t even take the 3 seconds she'd need to call a hero office and say a weird alone kid is wandering the streets maybe send a guy. Which I feel still fits the bystander effect.

Yautja said:


Jesus Christ this website is cursed with stupid. No shit he doesn't know her now, I've said repeatedly that the author should have been or should begin to do that because it'd lead to a better villain than the shit we've got now. Him being introduced or in conflict with that would be better than continuing to ramp up this bullshit edge lord crap. If you read the next fucking sentence you'd be aware that I noted he doesn't know her right now and how things could end up forced.

TropicalFreeze44 said:

This isn't about appearances tho. If you look at the first guy that saw Shiggy, he literally has "speakers" for ears, there are other freaks in the crowd too, but they all avoided Shiggy, which is most likely due to the vibe he gave off. I'm guessing that's why he said you missed the point (He also didn't say that she called any heroes, she just left it for the heroes to deal with due to fear).

Nobody5464 said:


You didn’t say anything about that plot line being forced. And your ignoring my whole point. Him finding out he’s related to nana would mean jack shit to him it wouldn’t start a conflict in him and if the author wrote it that way it would be forced as all hell and the author should not be making that reveal the crux of shigarakis villian arc because that fact is worthless to him and it would be worthless to his arc. He already knows his grandma was a hero what exactly would knowing who she was specifically add to him? At most it would make him know all for one killed his grandma but do you really think that would matter to him?

Nobody5464 said:
That’s my point exactly. Her not calling any hero’s means it still is the bystander effect she didn’t actually try to get him any help she just assumed someone would and left that’s literally what I’m arguing.

And no we know for a fact bigotry based on appearance exists in this world because shoji admits to a history of people being afraid of him for his looks she saw shigarakis face thought he was creepy and decided I’m not gonna talk to him anymore I’m leaving that’s bigotry. Speaker ear guy just doesn’t fit the criteria that people judge people for and the looks of the adults were looks of he looks like he’s in trouble or needs help but I don’t want to get involved looks aka bystander effect

Yautja said:

You've very clearly not read what I've said very clearly, so I'll not bother.

Nobody5464 said:

Evidence of someone with no argument claim the other person just doesn’t get it and refuse to acknowledge there points or continue the debate.

Yautja said:


Ahhhh, irony. The shoe fits very much on the other foot. Now ask yourself is it maybe, just maybe, you who are the problem and you are projecting those very issues? The person going out, looking for and starting several different arguments with several different people? The person a couple people have now elected to ignore? Feel free to enjoy what ever delusional victory you're trying to claim, but I think the greatest evidence is how many arguments you've started and how quickly those people have figured out you're a waste of time best ignored. You're arguing for arguments sake. I however am not. Enjoy your little crusade.

jhonathanplr said:
There's no way we can judge the character from a impartial standpoint, we are not impartial, and besides that, this was a flashback made to make people sympathize with the character, so people read this chapter on the hope of changing the views of the character, what didn't happen. Those chapter are all visually cool, Horikoshi drawings are incredible, principally during the tragedy, but the lacked substance. We already knew everything that was showed in this chapters, Shigaraki still being a weak villain, but now he has a strong ability. This chapter show how weak and empty he and his league (except for twice) is, the most interesting characters in this chapter were AFO and Gigantomachia, and they are not even the focus

JokerVentura said:
So now Shigaraki's backstory is over and after three chapters, honestly it was the biggest emo backstory I have ever seen.
Yes his father was a bit of a dick, abusive....barely, it shows him make him sit outside (like a naughty step) and hit him twice with a slap (yes his dad was a massive twat for that one) but for it to escalate to him slaughtering his entire family is emo as fuck.
The backstory has really cemented for me what I suspected a while ago, Shigaraki is a crap villain, in a story that has had much better villains, including Re-Destro, who will end up just another stepping stone for Shiga-emo.
Can the manga-ka just not realise that other than Dabi, Deadpool Clone and Slasher Girl, the league of villains suck.

Rant over......

JokerVentura said:
@CaptainFekezu

I'm not going to start an ongoing discussion with you, but would like to point out the stupidity in your statement.
You've assumed the treatment Shigaraki received was an everyday occurrence, and then state all it takes is one bad day, a contradictory statement.
BTW The Joker reference you're failing to make correctly was done by the manga-ka several chapters ago during Twice's backstory.
Also the generalised statement that I miss every point in the series, due to me not liking one character's backstory..... this is why I hate fanboys, unless you praise everything in a shounen series morons like you spit out your dummy.

JokerVentura said:
@CaptainFekezu

I'm not going to start an ongoing discussion with you, but would like to point out the stupidity in your statement.
You've assumed the treatment Shigaraki received was an everyday occurrence, and then state all it takes is one bad day, a contradictory statement.
BTW The Joker reference you're failing to make correctly was done by the manga-ka several chapters ago during Twice's backstory.
Also the generalised statement that I miss every point in the series, due to me not liking one character's backstory..... this is why I hate fanboys, unless you praise everything in a shounen series morons like you spit out your dummy.

queenhinata said:
imagine if the police or a hero had gotten to Shig before AFO :x

well the hands that once defined Shig the villain are gone now. a massive change to him as a character - visually and character-wise.

i can't wait for the day when All Might finds out that Shig is a descendant of Nana...

Slimcoder said:
I think at this point its quite clear that the people (not all of course) who dislike Shigaraki will continue in a sorta irrational sense where they will continue to hate on him regardless of well anything just cause he started out as a man-child type character.

Cause sure these flashbacks may not be perfect writing but it does show new sides of Shigaraki that reveal him to be somewhat of a complex character especially in his relationship with AFO. You don't have to like the character but too call him completely without depth or "cliche" & "generic" in a broad negative sense is just in-factual.

Its why I can't take claims like "Its completely lacking in substance, quality, and depth" seriously. Its hyperbole and over-exaggerations like that which reveal you are not speaking from a a fair or impartial enough standpoint. You just want to keep on hating the character & will consider anything related to him as a negative no matter what.

AndrexXClassic said:

I don’t really think that’s fair. I mean, a lot of people’s problem with Shigaraki was always how terrible and empty of a villain he was. Simply wanting to destroy just because, coming up with all these dumb plans, wasting resources, etc. And if someone didn’t like Shigaraki for these reasons then the recent events aren’t gonna change their mind on him; he still wants to destroy just because (And according to his backstory he's always been this way), when they needed money they went to rob a small church instead of a bank, and his whole plan this arc was to storm an entire organization with his small group of 6 people, thinking that they’d be fine before Gigantomachia woke up (They were boxed in and Toga was dying, had it not been for the doctor, they would have been screwed).

Compare him to Re-Destro, who has a solid ideology within the setting, he has a dream and has plans towards attaining it. Even Overhaul had the goal & plan of restoring the mafia. Shigaraki? He has nothing, he just wants to wreck shit. He's a villain for the sake of it. If he wasn't the main villain, nobody would care but he is, and that just isn't compelling enough for some of us. You don't have to agree but please at least try to understand our viewpoint a little.

Slimcoder said:
I would try if people weren't constantly devolving his motive to just "destroying shit just cause". I feel that's the part people are twisting to make him look worse than he actually is. There is nothing inherantly wrong with the "destroy everything" motive. Some people wanna change society, others just wanna burn it down. Honestly it feels like there's some kind of bias towards the motive that also props up the conqueror type to an unnecessary degree.

Even then Shigaraki's motive isn't "destroy everything just cause." His origin reveals why he's really doing this & that his desires stem from a similar disatisfaction & hatred of society similar to Re-Destro. Unlike Re-Destro who wants to take over society, Shigaraki decides its all horrible so he'll burn it all down. Simple yes but not so one-note as some people claim it is.

Plus he states that his teammates are free to do whatever they want with the world after he's done. He's not in it to rule the world like Re-Destro & Overhaul, he just wants to take down the society that caused him pain. Also he didn't rob a small church, he robbed a hate group & did so instead of a bank because a bank would get the heroes on their ass. He chose the hate group because they were secluded, thus no chance of law enforcement coming in.