Aurali said: Nigami_Shin said: i don't have to deny an inconvenient truth, it's simply just not true. Only because the industry has a few black sheeps, doesn't mean it's a lobbiest and law protected animal torture association. furthermore i was talking about the EU, not the USA. i do think we treat most farm animals humanely, but not necessarily good. Thanks for proving my point. Let me ask you this: do you think factory farms are humane, knowing that they're designed to maximize profits while disregarding the well-being of farm animals? treating an animal humane means that you give them enough food, space and also lower their suffering as much as possible. treating an animal good means that it can run around outside, gets high quality food or search for their own food and doesn't suffer at all. take the killing methode of male chicks as an example. you probably think that throwing them into a high-speed grinder is horrible. well it does look horrible indeed, but it's not painful. if you would try to touch the blades, your hand would be gone before you could feel the pain. so yes again, i do think that most factory farms (except those with standard battery cages) treat them humane (like before i can only speak for germany) |
Nigami_ShinJun 17, 2016 12:52 PM
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AllenVonStein said: Dogs are known for being faithful companions and helpers to those in need, but in some parts of the world they are regarded as nothing more than livestock.  According to Shanghaiist, a recent petition asking that nation's government outlaw the annual happening gathered 11 million signatures prior to being submitted to authorities. Despite the success of the campaign, some believe the government will not halt what has proven to be a lucrative trade, notes TIME. This year's festival is expected to begin on June 21. http://www.aol.com/article/2016/06/15/thousands-of-dogs-to-be-slaughtered-in-chinese-festival/21395989/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- that's bad , i believe dogs in china need some freedom Some people see a dog the same way I see a pig, cow,fish or chicken.Which is good animals. |
Nigami_Shin said: Aurali said: Thanks for proving my point. Let me ask you this: do you think factory farms are humane, knowing that they're designed to maximize profits while disregarding the well-being of farm animals? treating an animal humane means that you give them enough food, space and also lower their suffering as much as possible. treating an animal good means that it can run around outside, gets high quality food or search for their own food and doesn't suffer at all. take the killing methode of male chicks as an example. you probably think that throwing them into a high-speed grinder is horrible. well it does look horrible indeed, but it's not painful. if you would try to touch the blades, your hand would be gone before you could feel the pain. so yes again, i do think that most factory farms (except those with standard battery cages) treat them humane (like before i can only speak for germany) You do not seem to realize that in the eyes of the intensive animal agriculture industries, farm animals are seen as exploitable commodities. Factory farms do not provide enough space for animals to freely move around, and their structure has no regard for the suffering of animals. The animals are also not fed properly. Many chickens, turkeys, and pigs become crippled under their own weight, while male calves raised for veal are deprived of nutrition. Animals in factory farms are crammed into small areas where they can barely move. It’s not uncommon for them to self-mutilate and attack one another due to extreme levels of stress, frustration, fear, and boredom. It's a coping strategy for these social animals who lack stimulation. This is why workers debeak, dehorn, dock, and castrate them to minimize damages that would result in a loss of profits. If these animals were being treated ‘humanely’, these painful procedures would not be necessary. In a nutshell, confinement + mutilation + unhealthy hormone injections + unsanitary and crowded living conditions + deprivation of basic desires + slaughter =/= humane. |
MischievousGhostJun 17, 2016 2:20 PM
Aurali said: You do not seem to realize that in the eyes of the intensive animal agriculture industries, farm animals are seen as exploitable commodities. Factory farms do not provide enough space for animals to freely move around, and their structure has no regard for the suffering of animals. The animals are also not fed properly. Many chickens, turkeys, and pigs become crippled under their own weight, while male calves raised for veal are deprived of nutrition. Animals in factory farms are crammed into small areas where they can barely move. It’s not uncommon for them to self-mutilate and attack one another due to extreme levels of stress, frustration, fear, and boredom. It's a coping strategy for these social animals who lack stimulation. This is why workers debeak, dehorn, dock, and castrate them to minimize damages that would result in a loss of profits. If these animals were being treated ‘humanely’, these painful procedures would not be necessary. In a nutshell, confinement[necessary] + mutilation[bad, but necessary] + (unhealthy hormone injections[not really inhumane just because it's unhealty]) + unsanitary[often more sanitary than in free range] and crowded living conditions[bad, but necessary] + deprivation of basic desires + slaughter[CO2 stunning is pretty painless] == humane. first of all my initial post was about the killing methodes of course i do, but why shouldn't they? it's an industry and they always want to prodcue as profitable as possible. To regulate them we have animal protection laws. Many of the things you can see in the video are illegal in germany. or the hormone injection - also illegal...at least until we get TTIP. I still don't think the industry standard treatment of livestock is inhumane. It could be better though. but i don't even know why i argue with you about this. im one of those persons who doesn't even go to KFC or McDonalds, because i don't want to support the meat production for their products. |
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Nigami_Shin said: An adult pig has the mental intelligence of a 3 year old human. We shouldn't subject them to any worse conditions than we could see as being humane to treat 3 year old humans. There is something called "Beyond Meat" that could be used as a substitute for meat. Instead of growing plants for animals to eat and then killing the animals for meat we can just grow plants and then cook them together in a certain way so that it tastes and behaves the same way meat does. It's much more efficient and doesn't involve any suffering.Aurali said: You do not seem to realize that in the eyes of the intensive animal agriculture industries, farm animals are seen as exploitable commodities. Factory farms do not provide enough space for animals to freely move around, and their structure has no regard for the suffering of animals. The animals are also not fed properly. Many chickens, turkeys, and pigs become crippled under their own weight, while male calves raised for veal are deprived of nutrition. Animals in factory farms are crammed into small areas where they can barely move. It’s not uncommon for them to self-mutilate and attack one another due to extreme levels of stress, frustration, fear, and boredom. It's a coping strategy for these social animals who lack stimulation. This is why workers debeak, dehorn, dock, and castrate them to minimize damages that would result in a loss of profits. If these animals were being treated ‘humanely’, these painful procedures would not be necessary. In a nutshell, confinement[necessary] + mutilation[bad, but necessary] + (unhealthy hormone injections[not really inhumane just because it's unhealty]) + unsanitary[often more sanitary than in free range] and crowded living conditions[bad, but necessary] + deprivation of basic desires + slaughter[CO2 stunning is pretty painless] == humane. first of all my initial post was about the killing methodes of course i do, but why shouldn't they? it's an industry and they always want to prodcue as profitable as possible. To regulate them we have animal protection laws. Many of the things you can see in the video are illegal in germany. or the hormone injection - also illegal...at least until we get TTIP. I still don't think the industry standard treatment of livestock is inhumane. It could be better though. but i don't even know why i argue with you about this. im one of those persons who doesn't even go to KFC or McDonalds, because i don't want to support the meat production for their products. |
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| Fuck these guys, I hope all of them suffer after doing that. |
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ExTamplier said: Fuck these guys, I hope all of them suffer after doing that. AllenVonStein said: I really like that pic in an artsy wayThis is wicked, sick and cruel beyond words. Why skin alive, boil alive .  the suffering of these dogs is so inhumane and people watch this there like nothing is happening . the festival should be shut down . |
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UnoPuntoCinco said: eventually all antibiotics will run out.ExTamplier said: Fuck these guys, I hope all of them suffer after doing that. AllenVonStein said: I really like that pic in an artsy wayThis is wicked, sick and cruel beyond words. Why skin alive, boil alive . the suffering of these dogs is so inhumane and people watch this there like nothing is happening . the festival should be shut down . |
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Nurlela said: look at these people against it. are they hypocrite? they wont mind if pig or cow being slaughtered. but why they worried about slaughtering dogs? Was about to say the exact same thing |
AllenVonStein said: That looks horrifying. In Ecuador they did something to cook their food that visibly looked similar but they always made sure the animals were dead first. Here is a short article about a guy who was peacefully cooking some guinea pigs over a grill and some called the police because they thought he was torturing a squirrel.This is wicked, sick and cruel beyond words. Why skin alive, boil alive . the suffering of these dogs is so inhumane and people watch this there like nothing is happening . the festival should be shut down . |
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Nigami_Shin said: Aurali said: You do not seem to realize that in the eyes of the intensive animal agriculture industries, farm animals are seen as exploitable commodities. Factory farms do not provide enough space for animals to freely move around, and their structure has no regard for the suffering of animals. The animals are also not fed properly. Many chickens, turkeys, and pigs become crippled under their own weight, while male calves raised for veal are deprived of nutrition. Animals in factory farms are crammed into small areas where they can barely move. It’s not uncommon for them to self-mutilate and attack one another due to extreme levels of stress, frustration, fear, and boredom. It's a coping strategy for these social animals who lack stimulation. This is why workers debeak, dehorn, dock, and castrate them to minimize damages that would result in a loss of profits. If these animals were being treated ‘humanely’, these painful procedures would not be necessary. In a nutshell, confinement[necessary] + mutilation[bad, but necessary] + (unhealthy hormone injections[not really inhumane just because it's unhealty]) + unsanitary[often more sanitary than in free range] and crowded living conditions[bad, but necessary] + deprivation of basic desires + slaughter[CO2 stunning is pretty painless] == humane. first of all my initial post was about the killing methodes of course i do, but why shouldn't they? it's an industry and they always want to prodcue as profitable as possible. To regulate them we have animal protection laws. Many of the things you can see in the video are illegal in germany. or the hormone injection - also illegal...at least until we get TTIP. I still don't think the industry standard treatment of livestock is inhumane. It could be better though. but i don't even know why i argue with you about this. im one of those persons who doesn't even go to KFC or McDonalds, because i don't want to support the meat production for their products. “Why shouldn’t they?” You said earlier that treating an animal humanely entails “lowering their suffering as much as possible”. That’s not compatible with agribusinesses wanting to maximize their profits as much as possible. The fact that any act of blatant cruelty in the video is permitted demonstrates that those animal ‘protection’ laws are farcical. This is a response to your edit of my post: I wasn’t talking about the pain aspect of the slaughter (which exists), but the needless slaughter itself. I’m not sure why you crossed out deprivation of basic desires. Factory farm animals can’t freely move around (as I already mentioned), raise their young, breathe in clean air, and bask in the sun. They’re not happy like the idyllic pictures on animal product packages suggest. It’s not unusual for them to go insane from their inability to act in a natural way. None of the things we subject farm animals to are required because humans do not need to consume meat—especially in the large quantities we do today (which, btw, takes an immense toll on our resources). Therefore, claiming that it’s not inhumane because it’s necessary makes no sense. If you’ll still insist that factory farms are humane, then would you also say the same if it were dogs that were being raised in these conditions? I doubt so; you called Chinese people who butcher dogs “human filth” even though their treatment of dogs isn’t any worse than our treatment of pigs. Also, meat from intensive animal farming is everywhere, not just fast food restaurants. |
UnoPuntoCinco said: I really like that pic in an artsy way judging by ur sig , not surprised i guess u like violence .  |
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| Not my idea of a favorite Chinese dish...Sweet & Sour Shit-zu. Still, it doesn't bother me too much that they eat the dogs, there are probably too many dogs in this world anyway |
AllenVonStein said: JonyJC said: If there's a reason to go to war with China this is it, puppies. well said I see only barbarism, like some said , people need to stop buying Chinese products until they stop doing this.  Good luck with that lol. |
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| I own two dogs and I see nothing wrong with people eating them as another source of meat. Would I ever eat dog meat? Fuck no. But in the end, animals are all livestock. And to the people bitching about the treatment.. Chickens, pigs and cows in America are treated even worse than dogs in China.. Only difference is the execution method (I think they beat the dogs to death for the tender outcome on the meat). |
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