| They need to be like that, so they can be badass at the end haha :D |
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ItsMaz said: It's one thing if the character has good reason for acting like he does. Shinichi from Kiseijuu was a bullied kid got who thrown into a completely different world, and He had a genuine reason for acting that way, but eventually grew out of it. He actually progressed and developed. The only times I'll dislike a whiny character is when they stay whiny for the entirety of the anime. Having 0 character development doesn't usually sit well with me, especially when they have so much room to get better. Yeah, it's not believable when characters are always whiny. Humans adapt. We may stop for a while to reflect and feel sorry for ourselves, but the only people who brood constantly either have a severe illness, or have the privilege to brood. |
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| Kaneki from Tokyo ghoul comes to mind, but I'm not sure what XXX has to do with that, it wasn't a hardcore porn last time I watched it. Though him mask would make more sense now. |
| People really need to separate their personal proclivities for people and friends from their understanding and interpretations of good or bad characters. The two are almost never related. |
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| The only time i have ever had this experience was with aisaka taiga |
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| @tsudecimo Shinji gradually adapts to his job as an Eva pilot, complaining less and less as he goes on. Likewise, he also starts to interact better with other people, even barking back at Asuka's snide interjections. His regression in episode 16 was not related to any of these characteristics. Plus, his goal at the beginning was to possibly exact revenge on his Father so that he can be free. But then we are given a clear parallel between Misato's relationship with her father and Shinji's relationship with his. What Shinji truly wanted was to be acknowledged and accepted by others. Because of this he has become more reliant on the Eva, and hasn't complained about it ever since. His journey throughout the show was to recognize himself and what he must do in order to truly become happy. So if this isn't character development, what is? |
| Currently watching Alien 9. OMFG, i wonder if the MC gonna change later. So depressing, cringed watching her. Complaining + crying + fear so much. Could be among top competitor for this thread. |
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Moneta said: People really need to separate their personal proclivities for people and friends from their understanding and interpretations of good or bad characters. The two are almost never related. Unless you like good characters... |
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flannan said: 1) I disagree that being whiny is unlikeable, and tend to dislike people who claim that it is. There is only one thing that is unlikeable. It's being evil. When a character is doing the right thing, it doesn't matter if he lacks self-confidence and isn't a hot-blooded fool. Courage is not knowing no fear, it is knowing fear and acting despite it. 2) I think the logic in the opening quote is bad. Sure, NGE or Mirai Nikki could have Momonga the Overlord as a protagonist. Would it make the show better? NO. It sure wouldn't be NGE or Mirai Nikki anymore. If anything, it would have made the shows too easy for the protagonists. Evangelions can be so overpowered _because_ they can only be piloted by weak people. Kamina piloting Evangelion would have been boring and overpowered. 3) Some characters are just bad (as characters in a story). Some characters are unlikeable. These categories are not related. The logic in the opening quote is intentionally dumb, Im making fun of people who say that. |
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| Well i respect your opinion greatly however she was just too Tsundere for me to handle. |
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| Your taste is sh*t, and whiny characters are sh*t too. That's what I think. Specially shitrou. |
| I don't really agree with that logic, as long as said character has a good reason to have that type of personality there's nothing wrong about it (after all anime characters aren't real people so they shouldn't really be judged like that in my opinion). |
Fullmetal-Ghoul said: flannan said: 2) I think the logic in the opening quote is bad. Sure, NGE or Mirai Nikki could have Momonga the Overlord as a protagonist. Would it make the show better? NO. It sure wouldn't be NGE or Mirai Nikki anymore. If anything, it would have made the shows too easy for the protagonists. Evangelions can be so overpowered _because_ they can only be piloted by weak people. Kamina piloting Evangelion would have been boring and overpowered. The logic in the opening quote is intentionally dumb, Im making fun of people who say that. I know. But I wanted to say it anyway, and it was a good opportunity. iwansquall said: Currently watching Alien 9. OMFG, i wonder if the MC gonna change later. So depressing, cringed watching her. Complaining + crying + fear so much. Could be among top competitor for this thread. No. The anime is going to be abruptly canceled on episode 3, before we can make any sense of what is truly going on. Bwa-ha-ha! (I want to read the manga one day) |
Fullmetal-Ghoul said: flannan said: 1) I disagree that being whiny is unlikeable, and tend to dislike people who claim that it is. There is only one thing that is unlikeable. It's being evil. When a character is doing the right thing, it doesn't matter if he lacks self-confidence and isn't a hot-blooded fool. Courage is not knowing no fear, it is knowing fear and acting despite it. 2) I think the logic in the opening quote is bad. Sure, NGE or Mirai Nikki could have Momonga the Overlord as a protagonist. Would it make the show better? NO. It sure wouldn't be NGE or Mirai Nikki anymore. If anything, it would have made the shows too easy for the protagonists. Evangelions can be so overpowered _because_ they can only be piloted by weak people. Kamina piloting Evangelion would have been boring and overpowered. 3) Some characters are just bad (as characters in a story). Some characters are unlikeable. These categories are not related. The logic in the opening quote is intentionally dumb, Im making fun of people who say that. Actually, 'evil' in real life isn't unlikeable at all. Plenty of 'evil' people, from Jimmy Saville to Joseph Stalin couldn't do their 'evil things' without approval and likability. |
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| Ikari Shinji = Epic levels of whining... but acceptable given the circumstances and backstory. Yukiteru Amano = Epic levels of whining.... not acceptable in the least. Drags down Mirai Nikki hard. |
SkullProX said: Your taste is sh*t, and whiny characters are sh*t too. That's what I think. Specially shitrou. Bro, we've discussed this... Read the damn VN! |
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Dominick_Destine said: Ikari Shinji = Epic levels of whining... but acceptable given the circumstances and backstory. Yukiteru Amano = Epic levels of whining.... not acceptable in the least. Drags down Mirai Nikki hard. How is Yukki not acceptable? He's by nature a passive, timid character. This stands in contrast to the rest of the holders, almost all of them are narrow-minded (2nd, 12th, 7th, 6th, 4th, 9th). Their narrow-mindedness is a running theme, and Yukki's whini-ness but also observant nature is connected to this. |
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| I don't mind whiny personalities as long as it has context. That is, if the story provides enough reason or background to them, or that they fit well with the mood or type of the story. You don't judge how well-written a character is based on whether you find the personality likable to you or not. |
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Fexell said: "How do you feel about this logic?" - quoting OP's question: There is no logic involved. If I don't like an anime character because he is too whiny or wimpy, then that's a personal preference - not logical. It doesn't mean I don't watch shows where the characters are whiny or wimpy, though. It just means I don't like it as a personal trait for an anime character (mainly protagonists). But if the show I'm watching is good, I will accept their personal traits. Again; there is no logic involved, however. There is logic involved in everything we do. Some logic is more reasonable/valid than others. Logic is basically why you like/dislike/watch/drop an anime. |
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| Kei Kurono from Gantz - he is so whiny and annoying. |
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Fexell said: TheBrainintheJar said: There is logic involved in everything we do. Some logic is more reasonable/valid than others. Logic is basically why you like/dislike/watch/drop an anime. What are you talking about? Do you know what logic means? I seriously can't tell if you're joking or not. log·ic ˈläjik/Submit noun noun: logic 1. reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity. "experience is a better guide to this than deductive logic" synonyms: reasoning, line of reasoning, rationale, argument, argumentation "the logic of their argument" a particular system or codification of the principles of proof and inference. "Aristotelian logic" the systematic use of symbolic and mathematical techniques to determine the forms of valid deductive argument. plural noun: logics the quality of being justifiable by reason. "there's no logic in telling her not to hit people when that's what you're doing" synonyms: reason, judgment, logical thought, rationality, wisdom, sense, good sense, common sense, sanity; informalhorse sense "this case appears to defy all logic" the course of action or line of reasoning suggested or made necessary by. "if the logic of capital is allowed to determine events" 2. a system or set of principles underlying the arrangements of elements in a computer or electronic device so as to perform a specified task. logical operations collectively. So, it sounds to me like there is logic involved. Someone has a basic idea of what is a good/likeable character, and his reasons are the 'system of logic'. |
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| If Simon stayed a whiny and unlikable character, he would have been pretty bad |
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| look there are whiny people who acauly do things i don't mind them then there are the whiny useless people can you really falt me for disliking whiny useless people? |
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| Whiny? As in 'annoying son of a b*tch'? I do get your point tho that 'whiny characters' annoy some people a lot. |
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| I guess Yukiteru would be one of them. |
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Fexell said: TheBrainintheJar said: log·ic ˈläjik/Submit noun noun: logic 1. reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity. "experience is a better guide to this than deductive logic" synonyms: reasoning, line of reasoning, rationale, argument, argumentation "the logic of their argument" a particular system or codification of the principles of proof and inference. "Aristotelian logic" the systematic use of symbolic and mathematical techniques to determine the forms of valid deductive argument. plural noun: logics the quality of being justifiable by reason. "there's no logic in telling her not to hit people when that's what you're doing" synonyms: reason, judgment, logical thought, rationality, wisdom, sense, good sense, common sense, sanity; informalhorse sense "this case appears to defy all logic" the course of action or line of reasoning suggested or made necessary by. "if the logic of capital is allowed to determine events" 2. a system or set of principles underlying the arrangements of elements in a computer or electronic device so as to perform a specified task. logical operations collectively. So, it sounds to me like there is logic involved. Someone has a basic idea of what is a good/likeable character, and his reasons are the 'system of logic'. Seems you have done a good job of searching "logic" on Google. However, there is no logic behind the feelings of liking or disliking something. What you like about an anime (or character, as in this case) is up to you. Say I fall in love with a girl that you absolutely hate. Is there logic involved in this scenario then? No. It's about our personal preferences. What I like about someone might differ from what you like about someone. Why we feel different about something (or someone) isn't logical. Just as some people might rate an anime a 10/10; others might rate the same anime 1/10. TheBrainintheJar said: Someone has a basic idea of what is a good/likeable character, and his reasons are the 'system of logic'. That someone is you. What anime character(s) you like is up to you. Personal preference still involve logic. There's a reason why you fall in love with that girl and I didn't. Our reasons are our 'system of logic'. Logic isn't always a set-in-stone system. It can also easily mean 'the reason why'. For example, 'the logic behind why he fell in love with her is because of her taste in music'. |
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| To me a character I find annoying is bad. I watch anime as a form of entertainment not to get annoyed. Whiny and annoying characters may add to the story but I think they should be handled carefully. There are several shows where I could only remember the whiny annoying characters and not the actual story after watching it and this resulted in me disliking the anime. |
| To my mind the reason people don't like whiny characters is that we're used to brave and heroic (and sometimes badass) main characters in which we can identify ourselves.. or at least characters we can dream of emulating. But whiny characters aren't annoying if they are well developed and have, actually, reasons for being whiny.. they can even be indeed very interesting. For instance, many hate shinji, NGE's main character, or even Asuka, but both of them have lot of reasons to be whiny.. they have terrible backstories with dead and/or neglecting parents. Furthermore they are 15 years old who are given the burden of saving whole mankind fighting giant monsters and having to experience a lot of pain in doing so. And both of them are a quite faithful portrayal of depression, clinical depression, as one of the main themes of the series revolves around depression and how you can fight it and find your own self-worth and purpose in life... so they were meant to be like that. Therefore, in this perspective, I enjoed Shinji as a character. But if a character is whiny without any accepatable reason or background, well, he/she can be quite annoying. |
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| It depends on how the character is portrayed really, there are cases when a character simply whines too much and becomes somewhat useless for a larger period of time *cough* Sakura *cough* and then there's Simon from TTGL, apparently people complain about him being a whiner but he's no more than a kid in the first half of the series ._. whaddya expect? |
Roy said: It depends on how the character is portrayed really, there are cases when a character simply whines too much and becomes somewhat useless for a larger period of time *cough* Sakura *cough* and then there's Simon from TTGL, apparently people complain about him being a whiner but he's no more than a kid in the first half of the series ._. whaddya expect? Please fucking tell me you are talking about Haruno Sakura and not Matou Sakura. Matou Sakura is one of the best anime characters ever. Haruno Sakura is garbage, agreed |
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Fullmetal-Ghoul said: Roy said: It depends on how the character is portrayed really, there are cases when a character simply whines too much and becomes somewhat useless for a larger period of time *cough* Sakura *cough* and then there's Simon from TTGL, apparently people complain about him being a whiner but he's no more than a kid in the first half of the series ._. whaddya expect? Please fucking tell me you are talking about Haruno Sakura and not Matou Sakura. Matou Sakura is one of the best anime characters ever. Haruno Sakura is garbage, agreed Yes, I'm talking about Haruno Sakura xD chiiiilll |
Roy said: Fullmetal-Ghoul said: Please fucking tell me you are talking about Haruno Sakura and not Matou Sakura. Matou Sakura is one of the best anime characters ever. Haruno Sakura is garbage, agreed Yes, I'm talking about Haruno Sakura xD chiiiilll XD. #Characterlimitisgarbage,man |
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| I rarely ever let a character affect my overall impression of an anime, to be honest. There are plenty of characters that I would probably say find incredibly annoying, reprehensible, and other such negative words, but I give a very low amount of attention to how much I actually like a character with respect to the story I am watching. |
| Whiny is not necessarily equal to unlikeable so I would talk solely on unlikeable. Answer to the OP is no, but it is bad if they try to make the viewer like an unlikeable character. If the unlikeable character is intended to be unlikeable that's a commendable feat. |
| This tread remind me of Guilty Crown. The animeis full of haters becuse the MC is not very likable. I love Guilty Crow a lot :D |
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| If a character continues to angst for no reason, then yeah that's kinda annoying. But if they do have a reason I don't see a problem with it. |
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