Koukaku no Pandora Episode 4 Discussion

aikaflip said:
And what was going on with Clarion? Were they being cute, or did they run out of money?

Burger-Meister said:
IIRC I think that's done for comedic purposes and not really a budget issue. It did bug me a bit as well.

Takuan_Soho said:


They do it several times an episode, so yes it is on purpose. While partially comedic there is also an instructive purpose to it. It reminds us of the vital difference between the MC and Clarion.

Which likewise is part of the meaning to this episode (and series), something it seems everyone missed. In this world androids are trash, they HAVE to follow human instruction, and they are treated like personal property. While the MC believes that she has a human brain, she doesn't. She is the next generation of AI android technology, this is why she can use the Pandora properties. Both Takumi and Sahar figured that out from the beginning (which is why Takumi "stole" her), they like such things, and their instructor is the one who made the MC (I think each character has a meaning as well, to be explained below).

Why didn't anyone get what was so cool about the cooking scene? Not only did she teach herself cooking, she taught herself a lifetime of reflexes as well, and even more she learned to improvise in mixing several different national cuisines and created something entirely new. She also learned the value of communication, of working together, and of doing one's best.

This is the difference between the MC and Clarion. Clarion is still mostly a machine. More advanced than most androids, but not at the MC's level. This is why they have her with a blank face so much, she literally doesn't have emotions. The MC does.

The bad guy is the third student. Sahar is opposing him. The third guy has tossed his humanity away in order to become a machine, Sahar remains humans and wants machines to be more humanlike, Takumi is in the middle, she has traded in her body for a machine, she is what the MC thinks she is, but isn't. This has given Takumi a lot of benefits, and she loves the way she is, but this difference (she maintained her own brain) is why she can't use the pandora device (this difference was shown last week when the MC asked the robot how it was feeling and Takumi couldn't understand the point).

Baur I haven't figured out yet, he is some key for humans and androids to interact. How remains to be seen.

I said it last week, but I love how this series is depicting the future. The divide between the technically blessed and those who are not is very real. Lots of stuff happening in the background.

Fipse said:
You read way too much into it. Nene has still a human brain. Her backstory is simply the backstory told in the anime. No big plot twist.

Takuan_Soho said:


Nope, Nene said she had a human brain, but that doesn't mean she has one. Uzar at first accepted this, but even then she had her suspicions "I can't believe THAT's an authorized first-generation". She then tested it with the pandora device.

Though she said that she was overwriting a little "body storage" it is quite clear that is not what pandora does, otherwise Takumi and others could use it with their cybernetic bodies. This show has been clever, they have used hyper reality to distract from getting what is going on, but the course has been set.

Think about it, if Nene were just a girls brain in a robot's body, how could she become a super hacker? Learning a skill like cooking is not a mere mental job, but a mind body technique. She could do both.

So kick back, the director of Ghost in the Shell, knows what he is doing when it comes to AI and cybernetics. Even the hyperactivity is the point. Imagine how fast people's minds are when they can learn 30 years of experience in 3 seconds.

Takuan_Soho said:


Nope, Nene said she had a human brain, but that doesn't mean she has one. Uzar at first accepted this, but even then she had her suspicions "I can't believe THAT's an authorized first-generation". She then tested it with the pandora device.

Though she said that she was overwriting a little "body storage" it is quite clear that is not what pandora does, otherwise Takumi and others could use it with their cybernetic bodies. This show has been clever, they have used hyper reality to distract from getting what is going on, but the course has been set.

Think about it, if Nene were just a girls brain in a robot's body, how could she become a super hacker? Learning a skill like cooking is not a mere mental job, but a mind body technique. She could do both.

So kick back, the director of Ghost in the Shell, knows what he is doing when it comes to AI and cybernetics. Even the hyperactivity is the point. Imagine how fast people's minds are when they can learn 30 years of experience in 3 seconds.

Argis said:
This isn't done by the director of any of the ghost in the shell films or tv shows.

Fipse said:
Well she has a brain. End of story.

Takuan_Soho said:

We'll see. Haven't read the source so I know I could be wrong, but there is something there. The scan from episode one didn't show a brain case, and there is something about that adapters that was being kept a secret, so time will tell what the reveal is.

Ku-ri-su said:
I still think the Pandora Device is absoloutely ridiculous how they can learn years and years of skills in under a minute, even if she is a robot I still think its stupid.