Sapewloth said: And that was hardly the only buzzword in his post...Hrybami said: The characters development is really pretentious, nonetheless... How can character development be 'pretentious', exactly? I'd like to know. |
Agafin said: Sapewloth said: And that was hardly the only buzzword in his post...How can character development be 'pretentious', exactly? I'd like to know. Sorry, but you don't know what a buzzword is. |
Hrybami said: Agafin said: And that was hardly the only buzzword in his post... Sorry, but you don't know what a buzzword is. Lord, what are you even talking about? The heck does powerlevel, martial arts, nen or training have to do with character development or pretense? Buzzword: An important-sounding usually technical word or phrase often of little meaning used chiefly to impress laymen smh |
Hrybami said: Aoiyuki7 said: It's either that you're blind... or you didn't even watch it in the first place. Kids fighting to death against some powerful adults. They will become OP after training hard. They will defeat their opponent because they have strong wills. Add to the story the importance of friendship, to believe in yourself and in your friends and to stay optimist despite the hardship of life. What did I miss? This is clearly a battle shounen to me. They didn't become OP after hard training. They didn't defeat their opponents because they have strong wills (at least in the most occasions strategy, wit, power, abilities played role). Hrybami said: AttackOnTetris said: You missed the story The story apart. The anime bring the same pattern as a typical battle shounen. Adding gruesome fights won't change entirely that process which is strongly defined by the anime itself. As for the story, there is no reason that it could change the concept of the anime which is a battle shounen. Each anime have their own story. The story of One Piece is different than the story of Fairy tail, as well as the story of HxH. In ancient fables, there were occasionally thought provoking topics and they were mainly meant for children. Anime isn't a different thing and so isn't Hunter x Hunter. Every anime in every genre uses tropes and cliches. Cliches and tropes aren't inherently bad, it is how they are used and executed in the story that makes the difference. The only thing that I get from you is that you don't like battle shounen to begin with. Yea it is a battle shounen, no one denied that. "Anime isn't a different thing and so isn't Hunter x Hunter" What does that even mean? This can be said about anything. And Sapewloth said: Hrybami said: The characters development is really pretentious, nonetheless... How can character development be 'pretentious', exactly? I'd like to know. |
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Hrybami said: Agafin said: And that was hardly the only buzzword in his post... Sorry, but you don't know what a buzzword is. Also how can character development be "pretentious" lol Oh so shounen are bad and for kids right ? so that means that seinen stuff are all mature stuff like K-ON and Black Bullet. lol Also wait it is a long running show ? that means it is bad right ? so LOTGH is a piece of shit by your logic. You do realise that shounen jump now is nothing more than a place where mangas get more popular right ? Since shounen jump is #1 selling Age Rating is based on vulgarity , nudity , violence etc .. I am pretty sure the Age rating is not based on degree of maturity or complexity the story has. |
AkabawiJul 18, 2015 7:47 PM
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| @Akabawi Where did I say that shounen is bad? Where did I say that seinen is mature? Where did I say that long running anime is shit? Where did I even talk about shounen Jump?? ಠ_ಠ That second part was completely unnecessary and a bit insulting considering that I don't think I've been insulting toward anyone since now. However, the first part was of a help. I see that I missed a couple of information in that act, but I think it is comprehensive since I've found the chimera arc extremely boring. I would anyway want to give my apologize and I'm going to rethought about the word "pretentious" as incorrect. Nonetheless, I still think that there are some incoherent things about this show like why is this species so naturally that strong? Anyway, I'm totally not here to hate on HxH, people asked me some questions and I did my feedback with my opinion. And Hunter x Hunter is not as close to be one of the most incoherent anime I've seen. People here reply me like if they own this thread simply because it talks about their favourite anime. I was just giving some feedback to OP about what I thought of the show. Logically, when we open discussion, we expect to share ideas through posts. And what happens in this thread also happened to me before I decided to watch HxH. When I asked about how good is Hunter X Hunter, I was told that it was a very mature anime that is more aimed for adults than children by its complexity and such things. Naturally, this accumulation grown my interest toward this show and my expectation couldn't be higher. Then, the disappointment happened. I was misleading by those people who convinced me that I would love it because apparently there is so much more in HxH than in other battle shounen. I would never think that HxH is a bad anime, but I do think that some people pretend it to be too much. In overall, Hunter x Hunter is a long running action/adventure like KHR and many others. |
| ^That would mostly just be people trying to convince you to watch their favourite anime. Framing it as something different is a way to get attention for it. You should always try to get into a series without too many previous expectations and take any review with a grain of salt. |
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RedRoseFring said: ^That would mostly just be people trying to convince you to watch their favourite anime. Framing it as something different is a way to get attention for it. You should always try to get into a series without too many previous expectations and take any review with a grain of salt. Yes and this is why I think that HxH fans should calm down a little. They are everywhere to chew everyone who haven't watched it yet so they couldn't hear an opinion about someone who didn't really liked it like me. And I've discussed about HxH with some of my friends and we all think that it is a good anime and nothing more. |
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AttackOnTetris said: While the reasons you provided for not liking it seem quite shallow, that's your opinion and you should go fly with it. Not everyone is going to like everything. I've never understood what you tried to say. I could have elaborated my opinion if you wanted, but all you said confused me. It didn't follow exactly my text and so you still are doing this. |
Hrybami said: I get that you might not like the outcome of Pitou's encounter with Gon, but what you're talking about here is not character development: it's simply an element of the plot you're unsatisfied with. Which, like I said, is totally fine, as long as you don't start calling it something that it is not. If you wanna talk about Gon's recent development, you'll need to tell us what you dislike about the change in his character, rather than about the unfolding of the story. About the revenge part, I'd argue that to my knowledged there's no existing Vengeance 101 guidebook that would explain how revenge is supposed to work. Afaik there are as many types of revenges as there are stories. Moreover, it's been very strongly hinted at (and thoroughly discussed on this subforum) that Gon's need for revenge is far from the only thing that led him to snap. Anyway, you still didn't tell us what exactly you meant by 'pretentious' character development (or w/e development you were talking about) : you simply re-used the term without providing meaning to it. Cause I understood that you weren't happy with how things turned out in the CA arc, but I don't believe 'disappointing' ever was a synonym for 'pretentious'. So you might need to explain yourself better. |
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Hrybami said: RedRoseFring said: ^That would mostly just be people trying to convince you to watch their favourite anime. Framing it as something different is a way to get attention for it. You should always try to get into a series without too many previous expectations and take any review with a grain of salt. Yes and this is why I think that HxH fans should calm down a little. They are everywhere to chew everyone who haven't watched it yet so they couldn't hear an opinion about someone who didn't really liked it like me. And I've discussed about HxH with some of my friends and we all think that it is a good anime and nothing more. LOL calm down, what they said wasn't even that bad. And your example for "character development" was terrible, as Agafin and Sape pointed out. Hrybami said: I would never think that HxH is a bad anime, but I do think that some people pretend it to be too much. In overall, Hunter x Hunter is a long running action/adventure like KHR and many others. Maybe because some people think it's just THAT good. You may have found the CA arc boring but plenty of us thoroughly enjoyed it for its themes, story, characters (and their developments) and the events that unfolded. Also, it's really annoying that you keep saying it's like KHR. I've watched KHR. I've read KHR. KHR was my favorite anime for a long time and I'd never say that HxH is "nothing more than a battle shounen like KHR". The things you mentioned that made this show "like any other battle shounen" were so off that I don't think you were paying attention to what you were watching. |
jreginaldJul 19, 2015 9:11 AM
Hrybami said: @Akabawi Where did I say that shounen is bad? Where did I say that seinen is mature? Where did I say that long running anime is shit? Where did I even talk about shounen Jump?? ಠ_ಠ That second part was completely unnecessary and a bit insulting considering that I don't think I've been insulting toward anyone since now. However, the first part was of a help. I see that I missed a couple of information in that act, but I think it is comprehensive since I've found the chimera arc extremely boring. I would anyway want to give my apologize and I'm going to rethought about the word "pretentious" as incorrect. Nonetheless, I still think that there are some incoherent things about this show like why is this species so naturally that strong? Anyway, I'm totally not here to hate on HxH, people asked me some questions and I did my feedback with my opinion. And Hunter x Hunter is not as close to be one of the most incoherent anime I've seen. People here reply me like if they own this thread simply because it talks about their favourite anime. I was just giving some feedback to OP about what I thought of the show. Logically, when we open discussion, we expect to share ideas through posts. And what happens in this thread also happened to me before I decided to watch HxH. When I asked about how good is Hunter X Hunter, I was told that it was a very mature anime that is more aimed for adults than children by its complexity and such things. Naturally, this accumulation grown my interest toward this show and my expectation couldn't be higher. Then, the disappointment happened. I was misleading by those people who convinced me that I would love it because apparently there is so much more in HxH than in other battle shounen. I would never think that HxH is a bad anime, but I do think that some people pretend it to be too much. In overall, Hunter x Hunter is a long running action/adventure like KHR and many others. I did not intend to hate or insult , I just thought you are talking generally as hey this is a long running shounen , why do people find anything special about it . Well I will begin by saying the first thing people like about it is that every arc has it's own theme and tone. it feels refreshing to see arcs different than the previous ones , sets new expectations for every arc and makes people appreciate it more and more and tend to love it as the characters grow more and more every arc . second point the main characters are a part of the story , not the story itself, the story gives the feel that the characters are a part of the world he created . not the center of the world. well about the special thing people usually say it is mature it , they mean the arc you found boring , the chimera ant arc is an arc that has themes of exploring human self and survival of the fittest in a governmental conspiracy. "parasyte" a seinen manga that talks about the same thing and has a lot of similarties *parasyte came first btw* , and in my opinion hunter x hunter did it way better because it didn't rely on a lot of 1 dimensional characters like parasyte did it a lot , liked the storytelling method . Well because of 2 reasons , first reason is Second is because they are not human , if you remember nen comes from life force , life force exists within many creatures , in real life for example a cheetah is faster than a human no matter how much that human trains , the logic of the chimera ants is the same even more , they get all the dominant benefits of the creatures they eat. so they are superior to human beings , which is a theme the particular arc , this is why they learn faster , superior in energy because they are made from the selection of the most dominant traits of all beasts. While remembering how much the queen ate , she ate 5000 maybe I can't remember just 5000 meatballs for the king to emerge. The biggest point of the arc was the survival of the fittest , and that is shown in netero vs meruem when |
AkabawiJul 19, 2015 9:22 AM
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| I also want to point out that what pissed me off wasn't your hate or love to hunter x hunter since that is just an opinion , but what I understood at some point from what you said is that you are using age targeting as an excuse as if age targeting is the way to differentiate what is bad and what is good . It looked along the lines of shounen is bad and childish and as long as it isn't seinen it isn't mature and good type of show. |
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Akabawi said: I also want to point out that what pissed me off wasn't your hate or love to hunter x hunter since that is just an opinion , but what I understood at some point from what you said is that you are using age targeting as an excuse as if age targeting is the way to differentiate what is bad and what is good . It looked along the lines of shounen is bad and childish and as long as it isn't seinen it isn't mature and good type of show. You're going frankly paranoiac. I never said that a shounen is bad because it is shounen. I never said that HxH is bad because it is shounen and I especially never said that I don't like shounen. At variance, I did said that battle shounen wasn't my cup of tea. But age targeting has strictly nothing to do in there. And the fact that you're upset because there is someone on the internet who gave an opinion you dislike isn't really reassuring. It's rather weird if I should say... Also, one of the reason that explain why I was disappointed, it was because people sold me this anime to be in my range of my cup of tea... while it isn't exactly. And I currently feel like I'm repeating myself. I wouldn''t mind if it is childish or not if only people could have been honest with me while they recommended it to me. Akabawi said: Well I will begin by saying the first thing people like about it is that every arc has it's own theme and tone. it feels refreshing to see arcs different than the previous ones , sets new expectations for every arc and makes people appreciate it more and more and tend to love it as the characters grow more and more every arc . This looks like more like One Piece than HxH to me, but it's a good point. But it is a reason like another for liking an anime. For example, I really liked the mafia organization and the all the different weapons and abilities adding to the numerous combination and category that KHR has to offer. This is something that I liked in KHR, but I won't say that KHR is better than any other battle shounen because I can't find any other anime that offer the singularity that I like. Moreover, I really like the endlessly extending world in One Piece and its numerous plot twists and extremely charismatic characters. One Piece is a great comedy and also contain very good drama at moments and that is not something I would find in other battle shounen. Again, this doesn't make One Piece necessarily superior than the others. All of this depend of your preferences. I just can't believe that HxH is unconditionally the best over all of them. But still... I know and I understand that there are a lot of people who love this anime to death because the writer apparently know how to write something that is attracting for that many. What I disagree with, however, is with that horde of fans who claim this anime to be a mind-blowing masterpiece. Not because it is a battle shounen, and I do think it is where you are misunderstanding me. I disagree because this anime used the right clichés, thrilling moment and everything that most people would be attracted with. I wouldn't be surprised if this anime become someday one of the most popular because it is exactly how it is made. This is nothing such as a masterpiece. Akabawi said: second point the main characters are a part of the story , not the story itself, the story gives the feel that the characters are a part of the world he created . not the center of the world. This is used a lot in many anime on many levels. I can say that this is better exploited in One Piece, Shinsekai yori and Psycho-Pass just to name a few. jreginald said: Maybe because some people think it's just THAT good. You may have found the CA arc boring but plenty of us thoroughly enjoyed it for its themes, story, characters (and their developments) and the events that unfolded. Also, it's really annoying that you keep saying it's like KHR. I've watched KHR. I've read KHR. KHR was my favorite anime for a long time and I'd never say that HxH is "nothing more than a battle shounen like KHR". The things you mentioned that made this show "like any other battle shounen" were so off that I don't think you were paying attention to what you were watching. This doesn't explain at all why "it's just THAT good". Nobody said that it isn't a battle shounen and I really don't know why you keep saying that HxH is something different than KHR. Different story-telling, characters, themes and events perhaps, but where is it wrong to say that KHR and HxH are both battle shounen? There is one that you like better while I liked more the other, so obviously HxH is superior? Please, explain yourself. sapewloth said: Anyway, you still didn't tell us what exactly you meant by 'pretentious' character development (or w/e development you were talking about) : you simply re-used the term without providing meaning to it. Cause I understood that you weren't happy with how things turned out in the CA arc, but I don't believe 'disappointing' ever was a synonym for 'pretentious'. So you might need to explain yourself better. Hrybami said: I would anyway want to give my apologize and I'm going to rethought about the word "pretentious" as incorrect. Stop harassing me. |
Hrybami said: This doesn't explain at all why "it's just THAT good". Nobody said that it isn't a battle shounen and I really don't know why you keep saying that HxH is something different than KHR. Different story-telling, characters, themes and events perhaps, but where is it wrong to say that KHR and HxH are both battle shounen? There is one that you like better while I liked more the other, so obviously HxH is superior? Please, explain yourself.[/quote] How does it not explain that? I listed the things people loved about the series, I don't need to go into detail (I see no point because you probably won't agree with it either way). Also, YOU may not think that it is a masterpiece but plenty of us do. Yes, there are some cliches but does that make it worse? No. Cliches are good when executed well and that's what we see with HxH. And for the record, so many things transpired in HxH in such an unconventional manner that I would never call it "cliche'd". Where the hell did I say that people weren't calling HxH a battle shounen? I never showed any opposition to the idea of HxH being a battle shonen. In fact, I agree with the term. I think we're misunderstanding here because of the way you're wording things. What I'm saying is that HxH > KHR and that I'd never put them in the same league. |
TyrelJul 20, 2015 6:52 PM
jreginald said: How does it not explain that? I listed the things people loved about the series, I don't need to go into detail (I see no point because you probably won't agree with it either way). Also, YOU may not think that it is a masterpiece but plenty of us do. Yes, there are some cliches but does that make it worse? No. Cliches are good when executed well and that's what we see with HxH. And for the record, so many things transpired in HxH in such an unconventional manner that I would never call it "cliche'd". Where the hell did I say that people weren't calling HxH a battle shounen? I never showed any opposition to the idea of HxH being a battle shonen. In fact, I agree with the term. I think we're misunderstanding here because of the way you're wording things. What I'm saying is that HxH > KHR and that I'd never put them in the same league. Again, clichés doesn't make an anime a bad anime. This is here to gather a larger fan-base. Clichés has a direct link with the popularity, not the ranking of a show. This doesn't mean that the most well-executed cliché adduce the best show. No matter how unconventional or experimental they could be, they still are clichés. And this is totally not the right qualities for a series to become a masterpiece. Bringing HxH in such superiority is absurd. This is incredibly misleading for everyone and also really awkward. I think that HxH = KHR and are both in the same league as a long running battle shounen. HxH might be better executed and might be objectively better, but I would never praise him above the others because Hxh is, in fact, typically the same as the others. Bringing HxH in the same league as Shinsekai yori and Ergo Proxy is utterly laughable and I swear. Watching HxH wasn't an experience dissimilar as watching any others battle shounen and I can't find the things in it that could explain such superiority and no one here seems qualified to convince me. |
| ^It's not like you are magically going to change your mind if someone takes their time to explain what made HxH a superior anime to other ones. You have your opinion after you watched it, other have their opinions. I don't see what the big deal is. Yes many people consider HxH to be one of the best animes ever made(me being one of them) and some consider HxH to be nothing special(you being one of them) and that's all there is to it. |
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| What did the op ask and what are you guys on about....... show only gets GOOD with the chimera ant arc |
KuroudoAkabane said: show only gets GOOD with the chimera ant arc no |
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Arcanix said: KuroudoAkabane said: show only gets GOOD with the chimera ant arc no This. It's good from Yorknew. |
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RedRoseFring said: Arcanix said: no This. It's good from Yorknew. No. It's good from episode 1 |
Lizzy_Fizz said: No. It's good from episode 1 Quoted for truth. Hunter Exam and Greed Island are easily 10/10 arcs. |
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Lizzy_Fizz said: 1999 maybe was but not 2011. 2011 got good in Yorknew or rather gon vs Hisoka and then Yorknew.RedRoseFring said: This. It's good from Yorknew. No. It's good from episode 1 |
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IntroverTurtle said: 1999 maybe was but not 2011. 2011 got good in Yorknew or rather gon vs Hisoka and then Yorknew. 2011 master race for entire series. Like in the Hunter exam: |
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AttackOnTetris said: IntroverTurtle said: 1999 maybe was but not 2011. 2011 got good in Yorknew or rather gon vs Hisoka and then Yorknew. 2011 master race for entire series. Like in the Hunter exam: +1 Also Emo Killua is shit. |
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Akabawi said: Yeah, that filler really messed up Killua's early characterization in the 1999 anime. It was very inconsistent for him to nearly weep or feel bad about his family deeds towards that girl's family and then a few episodes later, like nothing ever happened, he casually kills that murderer (in the Tower arc) and boast how his father could easily kill without spreading blood showing that he doesn't hate his family's job (yet) unlike what the filler would have left one think.AttackOnTetris said: 2011 master race for entire series. Like in the Hunter exam: +1 Also Emo Killua is shit. |
Kalypze said: I've watched up to eps 25-27 (when Gon faces a guy who uses spinning tops to slowly wear down his opponents), and to be honest I don't see what all the fuzz is about. Sure, it's not a bad series, but I don't see why it's rated so high. How many more episodes do I have to watch until this show gets good? Or should I just give up on it if it hasn't caught my interest yet. If you didn't enjoy the beginning, the sense of adventure, the meeting of new characters, or the battle royale hunter exam, then maybe you should just stop. |
magicalprincess said: I watched the 99 version and the ovas then started at episode 75 in the 2011 version. For me the hunter exam arc was too dragged out and i wasn't really hooked till around episode 40. I was hoping for more out of the zoldyck arc since killua is my favorite character but it was too short. I enjoyed the heavens arena and york new city arcs Greed island was very good too I am a few episodes into the chimera ant arc and it definitely has a more serious disturbing feel. You should have watched the new one they had a way better pacing. |
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magicalprincess said: the 99 show is good , I just believe the 2011 was superior in pacing and having the right characterization for the characters , killua and gon's character makes more sense if you watched the new one instead. Also by the pacing I mean the exam ends in 20 episodes in the new one instead of 30 episodes and there are no filler episodes unlike the old one.Yeah that was stupid of me. I really wanted to watch it dubbed which is why i picked the 99 version but then when i heard all this hype about the chimera arc i was like well crap guess i have to watch the subs. Im not upset i watched the 99 version tho. For the most part it was very good. The exam arc just seemed to dragged out Well it's alright not a really big fuss. |
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| I got sucked in this series from Episode 1. It really is great from episode 1. And also my favorite arc is Hunter test Arc :D |
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| Well, I continued watching. Ep 43 did it for me. So good. |
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| Yorkshin/Phantom Troupe usually does it for most. Congrats on enjoying a good cartoon. |
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Hias said: Yorkshin/Phantom Troupe usually does it for most. Congrats on enjoying a good cartoon. Dont u dare say Anime a cartoon :P |
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