| Kyrie gets 5 years, 90 million. |
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| So much drama about Kidd, I honestly don't understand why the Bucks wanted him so badly... |
Nefarious said: So much drama about Kidd, I honestly don't understand why the Bucks wanted him so badly... He was done in BK. His friend co-owns team. This is potentially better than the BK job. Instead of a bunch of ol' guys who I have played against for years. Let me farm and grow with these young players. I swear Jabari Parker will be a better player because of J Kidd. Not too sure about the whole Bucks org though lol. Watching highlights from before Kobe's knee and whether he has explosion or whatever nobody I an mean nobody shots better than Kobe Bryant maybe MJ "Ties", but man when he decides to shoot he does it. |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
entropy13 said: Oh well, there's really no sure-fire way of knowing how Random and Gunblade really felt in the past, i.e. no benefit of hindsight. Everybody and his dog/cat/lizard/mouse/parrot were "CERTAIN" that the most likely upset to happen back then was the Blazers against the Mavs...then the Grizzlies won against the 1st seeded Spurs and the Mavs handled Portland 4-2. It would be 4-1 if not for a literally out-of-this-world performance from Brandon Roy (which have never played like that before, and have never played like that ever since). Then the Mavs are about to match up with the 2-time defending champs...No chance for the Mavs, they always "collapse when the going gets rough", most probably even a sweep...the defending champs got swept. But because they got swept, rather than the other way around, that Lakers squad is actually a "weak" one compared to having Howard and Paul, despite the fact that they were the same team that won 2-straight championships? So it's not just hindsight at work, it's also the ascendancy of "what could have been" compared to "what was"... @hybreezy: Again, hindsight. The 2011 Lakers weren't "tired" before the sweep...after the sweep, they're now "tired"? After finally winning against the Pacers, the Heat weren't "tired"...but now that they lost the Finals, they're now "tired"? The only credible way you can determine if the team is "tired" is if for example the 2014 Heat is still the exact same as the 2015 Heat, and then they perform poorly. But of course that scenario wouldn't happen so you wouldn't really know if they were "tired" or not. Hype of the team at the time has nothing to do with whether or not the Kobe, Howard, Paul team would be better than the 2011 Lakers. 2011 Lakers had probably the worst starting point guard out of all playoff teams. Replacing him with elite talent in the league is much better. 2011 Lakers frontcout rotation of 3 players over 6'10" was impressive on paper, but dilapidated, especially after Gasol's complete meltdown. Replacing him with THE premier bigman of the league = a big deal. The reason the Lakers won those 2 championships before was because Kobe was balling out of his mind. Gasol went ham in 2010 too, but Kobe has been the constant factor drawing double teams so that the bigmen could dominate in the paint 1-on-1. 2011 Kobe WAS tired and injured, like hybreezy said. Those to previous championships were definitely over-achieving for the lakers team, as Kobe was entering Jordan territory during then and was keeping the Lakers contenders himself much of the time. Adding Paul and Howard = adding MVP-quality talent. Paul + Bryant backcourt = 2 of the Top-10 perimeter defenders. If the opposition somehow managed to get by, 4x DPOTY is waiting in the paint, anchoring quality bigmen. Howard himself would draw double teams like Kobe. Howard and even Oldbe would cause so many problems, especially if Paul is there to run the offense for everywhere else. I still dont think they'd have beaten the 2011 mavs, but it wouldnt be so lopsided. |
| Cmon Melo choose to come to the Bulls already so every other free agent can fall into place. + I'm glad Lowry is choosing to re-sign with the Raptors |
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| boozer's amnestied and i hear they going after gasol now.... edit: probably amnestied |
| Patty's a great guy he could've got maybe 4 more mil somewhere else, but he knows what he has at home. A ring and a championship team. I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. I am not a fan of his by any stretch, but if he can play at least 25 mins, get 10, 12, and 5 throw in a few blocks every now and again he's a good fit anywhere. |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| Melo is one of the greatest scorers of all time with an elite game that will last him another 4-or-so years probably. Wiggins and Parker will be lucky to become as good as Melo. Gasol is a 33 y/o skilled big man but is known for being a Mr. Softee. Bulls, Mavs, Rockets, and maybe even Spurs are all much better off with Melo. Only the Thunder might find more value for Gasol off the bench since they already have the offensive juggernaut of the league and another Top 10 offensive player in ChuckBrick. |
| Gasol still knows how to score the basketball whether or not he's "soft" has anything to do with it. Perkins is "tough", but hasn't taken more than 3 jumpers in years, never gets 10 rebs or 2 or more blocks. |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| You said 25 min though lol. If you have Perkins and Gasol on your team, you should be starting Perkins since you want to keep Gasol healthy and effective. Gasol being soft is not that important, but he has had his meltdowns/disappearances (to be fair, any recent struggle was primarily due to D'Antoni/injury). I meant to compare it to melo, who not only is better, but also will give you 27/8 night after night |
RandomChampion said: You said 25 min though lol. If you have Perkins and Gasol on your team, you should be starting Perkins since you want to keep Gasol healthy and effective. Gasol being soft is not that important, but he has had his meltdowns/disappearances (to be fair, any recent struggle was primarily due to D'Antoni/injury). I meant to compare it to melo, who not only is better, but also will give you 27/8 night after night At this point wouldn't it be better to just start Adams and dump Perkins? I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. Not for Chicago. |
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| Rumors are saying Mirotic will be joining the Bulls next season. I've been waiting for this guy, very excited if it's true. |
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| What players do you guys want to see in the summer league most? As a Philly fan I'm really excited to finally see Nerlens Noel |
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
| [/spoiler] Gunbladewarrior said: [/spoiler]RandomChampion said: You said 25 min though lol. If you have Perkins and Gasol on your team, you should be starting Perkins since you want to keep Gasol healthy and effective. Gasol being soft is not that important, but he has had his meltdowns/disappearances (to be fair, any recent struggle was primarily due to D'Antoni/injury). I meant to compare it to melo, who not only is better, but also will give you 27/8 night after night At this point wouldn't it be better to just start Adams and dump Perkins? I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. Not for Chicago. I did say "IF" he can play 25. If they lose Perkins and collison. Let Adams start, Gasol can do 15-17 mins. Melo is bigger for Chicago and Chicago only. The Mavs, Rockets, or Lakers wouldn't be as great with Melo as people believe. Dirk is not a dribbler, but he's the offensive ball-dominant player. Melo is BALL-dominant. James Harden COMPLETELY ball-dominant, Dwight Howard has never played with someone who would space the floor like Melo it would be a weird fit for Dwight. Lakers. Do I even need to say anything? While Gasol possibly no longer a starter. He's a terrific rotational big on any team. These managements be playing more 2k than we do. They believe in super teams first, money 2nd, and chemistry after all the media hype. |
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Gunbladewarrior said: RandomChampion said: You said 25 min though lol. If you have Perkins and Gasol on your team, you should be starting Perkins since you want to keep Gasol healthy and effective. Gasol being soft is not that important, but he has had his meltdowns/disappearances (to be fair, any recent struggle was primarily due to D'Antoni/injury). I meant to compare it to melo, who not only is better, but also will give you 27/8 night after night At this point wouldn't it be better to just start Adams and dump Perkins? Actually yea, it would. Especially if Pau is there too. Rizeberry said: ITT: People thinking an aged Gasol is more worth than Melo still in his prime You're the first, RandomChampion. Knicks offered Melo max contract, ohohoho dis gon b gud I am the one arguing that Melo is a bigger free agent fish than Pau... I only said Gasol is probably more valuable to the Thunder than Melo is. What I mean by this is that it fills Thunder's holes better. Thunder is not, by any means, in need of elite scorers. Skilled bigman to complement the raw Adams/cumbersome perkins though? That will help a lot. Yondy375 said: I did say "IF" he can play 25. If they lose Perkins and collison. Let Adams start, Gasol can do 15-17 mins. Melo is bigger for Chicago and Chicago only. The Mavs, Rockets, or Lakers wouldn't be as great with Melo as people believe. Dirk is not a dribbler, but he's the offensive ball-dominant player. Melo is BALL-dominant. James Harden COMPLETELY ball-dominant, Dwight Howard has never played with someone who would space the floor like Melo it would be a weird fit for Dwight. Lakers. Do I even need to say anything? While Gasol possibly no longer a starter. He's a terrific rotational big on any team. These managements be playing more 2k than we do. They believe in super teams first, money 2nd, and chemistry after all the media hype. We already agree on chicago Dallas - Do you realize the offensive powerhouse mavs would become with Melo on top of Dirk and Ellis? Dirk would have a much better time scoring. There is a reason Chandler and Dirk want Melo on the team. They arent winning another ring if Dirk is the best player on the team. Current melo is a better defender and passer than he gets credit for. He had the bad luck of being on circus team for the last few years. Pau would be solid on the Mavs too, though. But the Mavs need a better player to win a championship. Carlisle is no Popovich Rockets - Melo + Dwight frontcourt = rebounding galore and top level defense. Melo is actually a very good post defender with his quick hands and footwork. Now that he has Dwight Howard over Tyson "I have da flue" Chandler, things wont be as bad. James Harden made it to to the finals when he was paired with not 1, but 2 scorers. This is very good for houston since Melo can turn into the No.1 scoring option, especially come playoff time when Harden is shut down. However, it seems that theyre going after bosh now, who I think is even better fit than melo is. Lakers - Melo is easily better than Pau for the lakers. If Melo is there to take the load off of Oldbe (who knows what he's capable of now anyway), things like 2012-2013 season wont happen again. What is a 33 year old gasol going to do for the lakers? Melo is better for most teams than Gasol would be. Melo almost carried the collapsed knicks team into the playoffs last season, in which everything that went wrong did go wrong. There's a raeson Kobe, Dirk, Noah, Howard all want to lay with him. I do agree that Gasol is an excellent rotation bigman....a rare commodity nowadays. He's valuable, but, in most cases, if you can get Anthony, you get him. Hell, even if he's not as valuable this year, you have him for 4 years |
RandomChampionJul 4, 2014 1:54 PM
| yea i was responding to this Yondy375 said: I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. I am not a fan of his by any stretch, but if he can play at least 25 mins, get 10, 12, and 5 throw in a few blocks every now and again he's a good fit anywhere. |
RandomChampion said: yea i was responding to this Yondy375 said: I personally believe that Gasol is a bigger free agency fish than Melo. I am not a fan of his by any stretch, but if he can play at least 25 mins, get 10, 12, and 5 throw in a few blocks every now and again he's a good fit anywhere. Do you understand IF? |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| your "if" refers to your second statement, not your first statement. and if you want to change your stance to "if gasol gets 10/12/5 in 25 minutes, he's a bigger fish than melo", then obviously he'd be, because those are ridiculous numbers that we really have no reason to believe he'll achieve It's like saying "if melo puts up 30/10/5 on 60% TS and 32 PER, he's a bigger fish than lebron james" |
RandomChampionJul 4, 2014 2:28 PM
| Gortat's deal wasn't that bad it was mostly market value. The final two years could be brutal but he also doesn't have a lot of mileage like most big men would at 30. Now Kaman on the other hand got a brutal deal, dunno what Portland was thinking there. Anyway, the Heat are running out of FA options because LeBron is holding them hostage. |
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| Lebron back to Cleveland, Bosh to Houston. Pls... |
| SAS just got called to duty by ESPN ~11:30 EST probably gonna drop some news edit: either that or he gonna scream for 10 minutes without providing any info |
| Les Go Dubs !!! |
Rizeberry said: ESPN's sources and reports are so misleading these days. Today they said LeBron is responding to the Cavs' pitch. Not sure if srs ESPN will do anything to headline LeCock... Breaking news Lebron opting of heat contract "Trio Opt out" Breaking news Melo set to Join Trio in miami, Breaking news lebron melo kobe set to join forces with the lakers.. breaking news derrick rose was working out in the United center... breaking news lebron enjoying his vacation he caught a tuna.. breaking news Lebron Seeking max contract... Breaking news bosh to join houston on max contract, Lebron to join Manziel Wiggins in Cleveland... see were im getting at ? football hasnt even started yet espn is one of the worst media coverage |
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| houston offered bosh maximum bosh would be dumb as hell not to take this lol heat. sucks that the rockets become serious contenders with this, though. |
RandomChampion said: houston offered bosh maximum bosh would be dumb as hell not to take this lol heat. sucks that the rockets become serious contenders with this, though. That's good. The league is one step closer to breaking the Big Three apart. |
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| The Rockets starting 5 would be pretty dope with Bosh, but the bench might kill them until they get ring chasers a year later (and fire McHale). But yeah he has to take that, the Heat have literally two players under contract time to move on regardless of LeBron's choice imo. |
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| So it's back to cheering against the Cavs. XD I think ESPN makes up the majority of their rumors. |
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| Heat just signed Boggins and Granger. Big 3 is done Gunbladewarrior said: So it's back to cheering against the Cavs. XD I think ESPN makes up the majority of their rumors. i figured you were a cavs fan. what team do you root for, if any? |
RandomChampion said: Heat just signed Boggins and Granger. Big 3 is done Gunbladewarrior said: So it's back to cheering against the Cavs. XD I think ESPN makes up the majority of their rumors. i figured you were a cavs fan. what team do you root for, if any? Bosh may already be gone to Houston. Wade an James are still questionable. |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| I think it's quite hilarious how sad basketball fans have really become... If they're not filled with hatred over a player, they're grasping at every single rumor about said player and already drawing conclusions. I'm just glad I got rid of my hating ways and see extreme sports fandom for what it really is... |
| @yondy + Alex I'm just basing my thoughts on the fact that they signed McRoberts (where the hell did i get Boggins from) and Granger as well as losing bosh can u guys imagine lebron and wade playing with mcroberts and granger? only chance they have is forming a new big 3 with Melo, in my opinion. and i wouldnt bet on that happening and yea, alex, i dislike the heat, just as you might dislike the knicks since i'm sure you were around for the late 90s i also dislike pacers and celtics....and am still butthurt about jordan's bulls too lol |
RandomChampion said: @yondy + Alex I'm just basing my thoughts on the fact that they signed McRoberts (where the hell did i get Boggins from) and Granger as well as losing bosh can u guys imagine lebron and wade playing with mcroberts and granger? only chance they have is forming a new big 3 with Melo, in my opinion. and i wouldnt bet on that happening and yea, alex, i dislike the heat, just as you might dislike the knicks since i'm sure you were around for the late 90s i also dislike pacers and celtics....and am still butthurt about jordan's bulls too lol First of all Bosh is not gone....there are a bunch of rumors on just about every fucking player. Secondly, it's hilarious how all of you guys (I'm not just talking about you specifically) are getting easily convinced on all of these rumors... I'm not saying anything about anything until we get full 100% confirmation on things. |
| Holy shit this free agency blows; something needs to fucking happen. Hurry up Melo and Lebron! |
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| @alex i know bosh isnt gone. but he has to be insane not to leave. he's being offered max money to play on a contender that he fits extremely well on. He can go back to being a power forward and play alongside Dwight Howard. on top of this, Heat resorted to signing Granger and McRoberts....come on man. LeBron is bailing unless they pull a super move and get Melo + Wade + LeBron.... |
| I don't see how anyone is getting easily convinced by rumours here. The Big 3 told Riley to improve the roster, nobody worth a damn wants to sign with Miami without knowing LeBron (Wade/Bosh are irrelevant here) is coming back. Cleveland has a much better team constructed than Miami does when removing LeBron from the equation, this is an undeniable fact. Money isn't an issue here, plus Cleveland has the assets to go after Love as well should LeBron commit. Bosh was offered 21M a year to put up 15/6 on a better team than Miami going into his 30s. Logically, there's no reason for him to go back to an inferior Heat squad either. You really think it's a stretch that both of those guys are gone? |
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JustALEX said: I think it's quite hilarious how sad basketball fans have really become... If they're not filled with hatred over a player, they're grasping at every single rumor about said player and already drawing conclusions. I'm just glad I got rid of my hating ways and see extreme sports fandom for what it really is... I said may leave, and I should of said would be wasting his career an last shot at MAX money if he stays with Miami. Who knows or cares about what Lebron James does. Oh yeah EVERYONE involved with basketball anywhere. Not a fan of his or a hater. I just believe it's stupid for EVERY ESPN breaking story, made up article, or sports talk show to be talking about a guy who plays a sport like their god. Yet his decision will shape the rest of free agency. By the way Alex extreme sports fandom isn't just hate it's choosing a team over another. All the emotions (negative or positive) is the persons fault. |
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| Best player on the planet in his prime becomes free agent for second time in 4 year span, yeah it's kind of a big deal. |
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hybreezy said: Best player on the planet in his prime becomes free agent for second time in 4 year span, yeah it's kind of a big deal. Big deal? Maybe. What ESPiN is doing? Nope. |
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Gunbladewarrior said: hybreezy said: Best player on the planet in his prime becomes free agent for second time in 4 year span, yeah it's kind of a big deal. Big deal? Maybe. What ESPiN is doing? Nope. Nothin else to talk about with the baseball ASB in effect and USA out of the WC, might as well talk about the dude whos gonna singlehandedly influence who reps the East in the Finals next year. |
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