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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I just have to say way to go studio for fucking up some of the most greatest moments with that terrible ass animation. Thats my only real gripe with this episode. I wish the animation was imrpoved in some of these scenes. Neji's death just didn't have the impact i would of hoped that i experienced from the manga, but it was still sad and the the sound tracks they played during those scenes were excellent, especially when neji held naruto's hands ( naruhina fans go crazy) R.I.P Neji It was an ok episode but could of been so much more improved if it had the same animation of the previous episode. Finally next time, incoming sasuke alert. |
ArtimesGamerJun 5, 2014 4:34 AM
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| THIS IS REALITY Poor Neji... |
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| Poor effort. Manga was better. The ice cream cone bombs looked weird. So Neji, Shukaku, Inoichi, Ao and Mabui died and I didn't feel a thing because of the music choices, animation and pacing (honestly seemed way too fast, HQ got destroyed and most people were like "meh") Really enjoyed Obito schooling Madara and yelling at Naruto, best parts of the episode. The NaruHina moment was passable. But people need to remember Kishi's Third Law of Trolling; for every NaruHina moment there is an opposing NaruSaku moment that reacts with equal magnitude. What have we learned from this episode? If a character that hasn't been relevant for years starts getting screen time, then expect that he is going to die. |
MinagatachiJun 5, 2014 4:47 AM
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| Wtf was the deal with those cone shaped bijju bombs, couldn't the studio do better then that, i mean i felt no sense of danger or explosion what so ever. That was indeed poor quality. That explosion that hit headquarters was supposed to be enormous. Reason i am kind of irritated, is they ruined some of the greatest moments in the manga. |
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| Animation was bleh. Some moments were ruined.. Well, RIP Neji, Inoichi and Shikaku. Sasuke next ep. |
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| Ruined it? The moment wasn't good anyway. So neji had been absolutely useless/absent this entire arc and now he suddenly shows up only for this pure-shock value moment. Which failed. I call asspull. |
| Who the hell thinks of how big their crush hands are when your ''brother'' just died protecting your ass. Hinata joined Sakura and Karin level of love obsession after that scene. RIP Neji, but I wished you would have let Hinata die :P I hope that they will animate the Sasuke storyline propper, it's one of my favorite moments the arc. Archadian said: Ruined it? The moment wasn't good anyway. So neji had been absolutely useless/absent this entire arc and now he suddenly shows up only for this pure-shock value moment. Which failed. I call asspull. Why is it a asspull? He had a pathetic death but thats all. It would have been better if Kishi let Neji fight his edo father before killing him. |
SaSa-ZoldyckJun 5, 2014 5:02 AM
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
| already knew about neji's death before but i was shocked when HQ got destroyed sad episode. sadly these days deaths mostly act as shock value instead of something that just happens. |
| Which genius thought it was a great idea to squeeze in 3 chapters into this episode? This episode should've ended at where Neji died and not after Hinata's comeback speech to Naruto. Really, really bad pace management on Pierrot's part here. |
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Archadian said: @Sasa It was badly written, and had no foreshadowing or build up. It was most likely due to pressure of fans complaining about the war having no deaths that he decided to do this. For a moment I thought that I was reading tsudecimo post XD That whole forshadowing thing is overrated if you ask me. Plot twist and suprises are good aslong as it makes sense. Neji dying by jubi attack makes sense. Whether Kishi was pressured or not is irrelevant. Characters (unexpectedly) dying is good, we are at war last time I checked. |
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
xSanox said: already knew about neji's death before but i was shocked when HQ got destroyed sad episode. sadly these days deaths mostly act as shock value instead of something that just happens. Sadly I have to agree. Wish it were more relevant people who died and with better setting up toward it. |
| You all just compare it to the manga, for those that haven't read it, it means nothing. It's all made up anyway who cares which shape the bombs were in, also there all trained soldiers who live under the principal kill or be killed, when a family member dies they have to move on until after the war, any good soldier does that. I saw someone mention Sasuke is coming, the last couple episodes I just can't wait until Sasuke comes, that should be a glorious moment I would think. |
SaSa-Zoldyck said: Archadian said: @Sasa It was badly written, and had no foreshadowing or build up. It was most likely due to pressure of fans complaining about the war having no deaths that he decided to do this. For a moment I thought that I was reading tsudecimo post XD That whole forshadowing thing is overrated if you ask me. Plot twist and suprises are good aslong as it makes sense. Neji dying by jubi attack makes sense. Whether Kishi was pressured or not is irrelevant. Characters (unexpectedly) dying is good, we are at war last time I checked. I agree sometimes it is overrated but this moment HAD NOTHING to show for it. I said also it needed buildup or good writing at least. Yea no s*** dying by impalement makes sense :P, and yeah sure this is war (where surprisingly it took 100 eps to get to the first "major" death.) But if a writer is going to go the "this is war, people die just like that", he should have prepared it to be like that. It was purely for shock value, and that is a bad thing at such a point in the story. Shock value should be at the start to establish "we ain't fucking around", then rely on how good that was to make us attached to other characters in fear of them dying too. This one was just shit. I feel nothing. I know there will probably be no deaths anytime soon still, and it was just a "moment". I'm sorry for being so anal, but i'd rather accept this as a problem and hope kishi gets his stuff together than blindly accept it. What is this compared to old classic naruto moments? |
ArchadianJun 5, 2014 5:53 AM
Archadian said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: Archadian said: @Sasa It was badly written, and had no foreshadowing or build up. It was most likely due to pressure of fans complaining about the war having no deaths that he decided to do this. For a moment I thought that I was reading tsudecimo post XD That whole forshadowing thing is overrated if you ask me. Plot twist and suprises are good aslong as it makes sense. Neji dying by jubi attack makes sense. Whether Kishi was pressured or not is irrelevant. Characters (unexpectedly) dying is good, we are at war last time I checked. I agree sometimes it is overrated but this moment HAD NOTHING to show for it. I said also it needed buildup or good writing at least. Yea no s*** dying by impalement makes sense :P, and yeah sure this is war (where surprisingly it took 100 eps to get to the first "major" death.) But if a writer is going to go the "this is war, people die just like that", he should have prepared it to be like that. It was purely for shock value, and that is a bad thing at such a point in the story. Shock value should be at the start to establish "we ain't fucking around", then rely on how good that was to make us attached to other characters in fear of them dying too. This one was just shit. I feel nothing. I know there will probably be no deaths anytime soon still, and it was just a "moment". I'm sorry for being so anal, but i'd rather accept this as a problem and hope kishi gets his stuff together than blindly accept it. What is this compared to old classic naruto moments? The execution could have been better no doubt about it. I already said that in my first reply, Neji had a pathetic death. However this is not an asspull. |
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
SaSa-Zoldyck said: Archadian said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: Archadian said: @Sasa It was badly written, and had no foreshadowing or build up. It was most likely due to pressure of fans complaining about the war having no deaths that he decided to do this. For a moment I thought that I was reading tsudecimo post XD That whole forshadowing thing is overrated if you ask me. Plot twist and suprises are good aslong as it makes sense. Neji dying by jubi attack makes sense. Whether Kishi was pressured or not is irrelevant. Characters (unexpectedly) dying is good, we are at war last time I checked. I agree sometimes it is overrated but this moment HAD NOTHING to show for it. I said also it needed buildup or good writing at least. Yea no s*** dying by impalement makes sense :P, and yeah sure this is war (where surprisingly it took 100 eps to get to the first "major" death.) But if a writer is going to go the "this is war, people die just like that", he should have prepared it to be like that. It was purely for shock value, and that is a bad thing at such a point in the story. Shock value should be at the start to establish "we ain't fucking around", then rely on how good that was to make us attached to other characters in fear of them dying too. This one was just shit. I feel nothing. I know there will probably be no deaths anytime soon still, and it was just a "moment". I'm sorry for being so anal, but i'd rather accept this as a problem and hope kishi gets his stuff together than blindly accept it. What is this compared to old classic naruto moments? The execution could have been better no doubt about it. I already said that in my first reply, Neji had a pathetic death. However this is not an asspull. "An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a Chekhov's Gun earlier on." Or in this case, Checkov MIA. Source: TvT |
| This was so bad. It's not even worth the effort to mock it. |
| Obito's voice is so asdasdasdajdasdk *-* |
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| Well, Neji's death could've had a bigger impact if they did it right. It looked awkward seeing Hinata run and put her hands out and Neji randomly runs in and takes the hit. Could've made it more dramatic imo. It looked like they put more effort into the deaths of the "brains." The talk afterwards had me pretty sad though. Didn't really mind that they did the NaruHina moment this episode. I'm not sure why everyone is hating on the bijuudamas. Why does it matter if they're cones? They're explosions and they do their job. Sasuke coming in next episode. But that also means a big flashback (which I didn't entirely mind in the manga) is coming soon. |
| i quite liked this episode it almost made me feel emotions, though we can't forget that hinta has alredy died one protecting naruto so yea... |
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| I loved this episode, so much content within one episode. RIP Neji, Inoichi and Shikaku. I loved the ending in this episode, I don't remember it being as good as it was in the manga for this specific scene though. |
| Oh well, Neji, Inoichi and Shikaku are dead. Moving on. |
| Wow. The shape of the bijuu bombs? You folks are quite difficult to please. Anyway, as expected the death of Neji wasn't very impactful, and being spoiled about it only contributed little to that. He didn't have sufficient screentime to build up to the moment. I may have missed something probably because it has been a while, but how exactly did Obito know the exact location of the Allied Forces HQ? |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| I quite liked this episode. I feel more sad for Shikaku's death than Neji's. That complete silence before the bomb hit, and then the transition to Shikamaru and Ino realizing, and Ino crying. That just broke my heart a little. Really well done. The problems with Neji's death imo are A/ He didn't have enough screen time or focus prior to this. So his death felt really forced. B/ The way he died was really meh, and awkward. Other than that I don't have a problem with his death, and thought the rest of it was quite good. In terms of showing the different layers to it, their pasts, the old themes of the series being brought forth again, Hinata and Naruto getting closer, and why Obito was irritated with Naruto, and wanted to him to feel despair and basically break him psychologically. I would have wanted the animation and art from the previous episode but w/e. Shippiuden's average animation doesn't bother me too much, since I'm too engaged and invested in the content to care too much. Some bad music choices, some good ones. 4/5. |
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imperlast said: hinta has alredy died one protecting naruto so yea... She didn't really die. Badly injured after Pain's attack and was then healed by Sakura IIRC. |
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| Congratulations, the main final beast is the offspring of Nico Robin and Luffy having butt sex. And his attack is a giant emerald from Sonic 2. But that was really a terrible way to write them off. Shikaku and Inoicji felt natural, but still had no impact, felt like a very generic "oh we gotta keep going" moment. Neji's, however, was just dumb. But I guess he knew he had no idea what to do with him, but if that's the case, everyone should be dead by now. I cringe everytime I see Kyuubi trying to act all 'bro'. Overall a disappointing episode. One thing I found funny was tobi telling Madara to fuck off |
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| As others have stated, the deaths didn't really have that much of an impact. Don't know whether it's that they weren't relevant enough, or if the animation studio screwed up or what, but I just didn't feel it. As for the bijuu bombs, the shape is fine, it's just that they didn't feel particularly powerful. Compare them with the one from last time when the army showed up, or some of the ones in 329. These ones just felt a bit lacking. Probably the animation's fault but not sure. |
| Neji's death. The episode felt a little stretched to me. Also, Hinata thinks of Naruto even now. Nevertheless, i would prefer if Kishimoto hadn't added those lines about how big and warm Naruto's hand is... seriously.Anyway, great ep 4/5 |
| Everybody has the right to have his own opinion on something.And you do have the right to disagree with them.But that doesnt give you the right to impose your opinion on others, even though you do have the right to think you are fucking awesome. |
| AMAZING EPISODE! This is why i love Naruto so much,i was on the edge of crying when Neji was speaking. |
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SCP said: He was a character with fantastic potential but forgotten by Kishimoto. Yeah. Lee too. At least there is Gai to compensate for Lee severe lack of screen time after the time skip. a_cloud said: Neji's death. The episode felt a little stretched to me. It was too fast actually. I heard they crammed 3 chapters here, which could explain some of the awkward transition. Planning to read the covered chapters since they are probably better. |
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| Shikaku and Inoichi silently passing away was sad, but Neji's death was 3X times sadder. T_T Damn you, Obito & Juubi.. -.- Nice NaruHina moments. Kurama's disciplined words to Naruto were nice as well. -- "There's no need to worry... Protecting the Alliance is my territory!" Bee was epic with his rap even when down. XD Good episode. Orochimaru and Sasuke gets some screentime next week. Lets go! |
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| Awesome episode once again. Very sad that Neji is not gone :( Looks like were getting some Sasuke next episode which will be good. |
| All I gotta say is poor Neji :( |
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| The alliance HQ scene could have been better :( Except for showing Neji get hit,it was perfect :O "cries" R.I.P :( |
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tsudecimo said: If im not mistaken the anime in this ep follows exatly the manga. Anyway you are right Neji;s death was rushed. What i meant by stretched was Obito's speach and Hinata's. Of course both are important for the story to move on but they emitted a dull aura. I didn't feel any tension in either Madara's-Obito's speeches or Neji's last words or Hinata's words to wake Naruto. Actually im just glad the story moves on.a_cloud said: Neji's death. The episode felt a little stretched to me. It was too fast actually. I heard they crammed 3 chapters here, which could explain some of the awkward transition. Planning to read the covered chapters since they are probably better. |
| Everybody has the right to have his own opinion on something.And you do have the right to disagree with them.But that doesnt give you the right to impose your opinion on others, even though you do have the right to think you are fucking awesome. |
| I love Neji as character, yet I felt 0 sadness when he died. I blame last 100 or so episodes which featured a total of maybe few minutes of Neji. Like, he wasn't even present besides some war stuff. He fought a few white Zetsus and that's about it when it comes to Neji. Well, Neji gone, moving on. Hell, I felt more emotions for Shikaku. |
nina4lifeJun 5, 2014 9:53 AM
| It felt a lot more dramatic in the manga to me while it seemed like it just happened and was over with in the anime. At least to me anyways. |
| all those crybabies on here lol.. this episode is shit that episode is not good this episode is bad.. and still you keep watching. or at least you're here week after week to continue trolling |
| Of course Neji died right before the Mountain Jutsu was used. |
| I walk a lonely road because everyone else fell off |
| Meh, they could have handled these deaths much better... Sydonis said: And this episode showed the biggest problem of Naruto. Well, apart from infinite spoilers. It centeres too much on Naruto and Sasuke and left all the other characters in the dust. I don't even think there is a character that could die by this point to make me give a damn. It sure has fallen since deaths of Jiraya and Itachi. As much as I'd like to disagree with you, I'll have to agree on that one. -.- |
| For those who seek perfection, there can be no rest on this side of the grave. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. |
| I thought the animation was great this episode. Definitely in the top 10 percent of Naruto episodes. Great episode |
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