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Apr 18, 2014 6:22 PM
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I'm pretty sure we all have at least heard of the Montagari series and how Shaft aimed for an abstract art style which led to a decent success. Whether you liked they style or not, it makes sense that they keep the it for the franchise. Now that Shaft has launched some new series/"IPs", do you think that Shaft truly is artistic or just trying to ride the coattails of the Montagari success and copy/paste its artstyle?
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Apr 18, 2014 6:23 PM
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Why are you blaming all of shaft? It's quite obvious it's only one director doing it.
Apr 18, 2014 6:27 PM
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I liked the way the Monogatari series looked, and I haven't seen any other series that uses its particular art style if there is any. So I guess I'd have to say abstract?


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Abstract for sure
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Why are you blaming all of shaft? It's quite obvious it's only one director doing it.


+1

cmon op, pls



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Apr 18, 2014 6:32 PM
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Artistically recycled gimmicks.
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Apr 18, 2014 6:33 PM
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Didn't shinbou do his style for hidamari? It's been long since I watched it but I'm pretty sure it had a lot of styling that monogatari used.
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Lime_ said:
skudoops said:
Why are you blaming all of shaft? It's quite obvious it's only one director doing it.


+1

cmon op, pls

Pretty much, except it's the whole Shinbou team signature style.

Shinbou, Akiyuki had his own signature style before Bakemonogatari. And they are different from one series to another. I think he is one of the most talented modern directors anime have.
Apr 18, 2014 6:38 PM
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Well, its not Shaft's fault entirely. Akiyuki Shinbo is the one responsible. Coz ef does not look anything Shinbou does since he didn't direct it.

Too much Akiyuki Shinbou is bad for your health. Watch one of his series once every 3 months to prevent cancer.
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Apr 18, 2014 6:39 PM

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I'm seeing a lot of Shinobu around here....

Goddamn that Vampire loli is so fucking awesome.

OP, I don't care man....Shaft gave us the Monogatari series, they can do whatever the fuck they want as far as I'm concerned.
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_ultima_ said:
Artistically recycled gimmicks.


Yeah. Shinbou recycles his stuff, but no one else, as far as I've seen, can really imitate his style.
Apr 18, 2014 6:44 PM

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Everyone recycles their stuff. The only reason Shinbou gets called out on it is because his shit is the most obvious, and he does the majority of Shaft's shit.

Nobody seems to find it lame that JC Staff makes a new "sort of" Harem show thats blatantly meant to imitate Toradora EVERY. SINGLE. SEASON.

Kyo-Ani makes the same moe shit every series.

The only studios that are wildly diverse in their adaptation are the ones with shit tons of money and personell like Toei and Madhouse.
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Shocked said:
_ultima_ said:
Artistically recycled gimmicks.


Yeah. Shinbou recycles his stuff, but no one else, as far as I've seen, can really imitate his style.


The guy who directed Baka and Test came a close 2nd in my opinion.

After checking his bio, it made sense. He was Shinbo's assistant. LOL
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SolviteSekai said:
Everyone recycles their stuff. The only reason Shinbou gets called out on it is because his shit is the most obvious, and he does the majority of Shaft's shit.

Nobody seems to find it lame that JC Staff makes a new "sort of" Harem show thats blatantly meant to imitate Toradora EVERY. SINGLE. SEASON.

Kyo-Ani makes the same moe shit every series.

The only studios that are wildly diverse in their adaptation are the ones with shit tons of money and personell like Toei and Madhouse.

You actually made sense in the first paragraph. Then you followed up with stupid examples that don't make no sense to the point you are trying to make.

Yuasa, the Gibli guy and any other famous director with a signature style, recycle their stuff. Just like real life action directors (i.e Scorsese)
Apr 18, 2014 6:47 PM

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tsudecimo said:
Lime_ said:
skudoops said:
Why are you blaming all of shaft? It's quite obvious it's only one director doing it.


+1

cmon op, pls

Pretty much, except it's the whole Shinbou team signature style.

Shinbou, Akiyuki had his own signature style before Bakemonogatari. And they are different from one series to another. I think he is one of the most talented modern directors anime have.


Yeah I love all these people saying Nisekoi is a Monogatari ripoff, when Shinbou has been doing this shit for a decade.

As I've said multiple times, Arukawa under the Bridge, Denpa Onna, Nisekoi, Mekkaku, Monogatari, Maria Holic, Hidamari Sketch and all that other shit are all Shinbou.

Not to mention a lot of the shows people are creaming their panties over (Sakura Trick, WIXOSS, Non Non Biyori, and Watamote) are made by Team Shinbou guys and are fucking stylistic ripoffs.
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ran614 said:
Shocked said:
_ultima_ said:
Artistically recycled gimmicks.


Yeah. Shinbou recycles his stuff, but no one else, as far as I've seen, can really imitate his style.


The guy who directed Baka and Test came a close 2nd in my opinion.


I'm quite sure he worked with Shinbou on a few anime. I guess Shinbou's style rubbed off on him or something.
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ran614 said:
Shocked said:
_ultima_ said:
Artistically recycled gimmicks.


Yeah. Shinbou recycles his stuff, but no one else, as far as I've seen, can really imitate his style.


The guy who directed Baka and Test came a close 2nd in my opinion.


Baka and Test is directed by http://myanimelist.net/people/6753/Oonuma_Shin.

He is an ex member of Team Shinbou and also directed Ef a Tale of Memories/Melodies for Shaft.

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Apr 18, 2014 6:54 PM
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Good recycled gimmicks.
Apr 18, 2014 6:55 PM

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I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.
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I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
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Shinbou's style isn't even an Artstyle. It's an animation style.

Fuck.

Nisekoi, Denpa onna, and Mekkaku City Actors all look exactly like their fucking source material.

Unless you mean the CGI look that Mekkaku Shares with Monogatari, but since its THE SAME FUCKING STUDIO thats going to happen.

Every show by Kyo-ani since K-on looks exactly the fucking same.

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SolviteSekai said:
Shinbou's style isn't even an Artstyle. It's an animation style.

Fuck.

Nisekoi, Denpa onna, and Mekkaku City Actors all look exactly like their fucking source material.

Unless you mean the CGI look that Mekkaku Shares with Monogatari, but since its THE SAME FUCKING STUDIO thats going to happen.

Every show by Kyo-ani since K-on looks exactly the fucking same.



kinda agree with most of what you've said in this topic but chill out dude. also, where have you seen people "creaming their panties" over wixoss? cuz most people on mal are really criticizing it but then mal doesn't really represent the general population of anime viewers.

only problem i have with shinobu's animation style is that it takes a toll on my eyes. can't handle marathoning any of this guy's shows
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Rashkolnikov said:
DrGeroCreation said:
I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
LOL I didn't realize I mention it that much.
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orchidork said:
SolviteSekai said:
Shinbou's style isn't even an Artstyle. It's an animation style.

Fuck.

Nisekoi, Denpa onna, and Mekkaku City Actors all look exactly like their fucking source material.

Unless you mean the CGI look that Mekkaku Shares with Monogatari, but since its THE SAME FUCKING STUDIO thats going to happen.

Every show by Kyo-ani since K-on looks exactly the fucking same.



kinda agree with most of what you've said in this topic but chill out dude. also, where have you seen people "creaming their panties" over wixoss? cuz most people on mal are really criticizing it but then mal doesn't really represent the general population of anime viewers.

only problem i have with shinobu's animation style is that it takes a toll on my eyes. can't handle marathoning any of this guy's shows


I watch his shows repeatedly.

The man is a god damn Genius. This thread is an insult to greatness.

You fucks can all go watch your generic Soap Opera and Kung Fu anime all you want, I'll keep enjoying originality.

I'll never understand how a Director who makes anime that is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from all other anime is unoriginal because apparently he copies himself.

>.>
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Rashkolnikov said:
DrGeroCreation said:
I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
Don't worry, in a couple of weeks he'll switch to a new show. It's happened many times before.
Apr 18, 2014 7:14 PM

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Not to mention, jackasses on here call Shinbou recycled gimmicks, but are all clammoring up to watch this years Urobuchi show.

OH SHIB Urobuchi IS MAKING A NEW ANIME, ITS GOING TO BE SO ORIGINAL.
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IntroverTurtle said:
Rashkolnikov said:
DrGeroCreation said:
I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
Don't worry, in a couple of weeks he'll switch to a new show. It's happened many times before.

Like?
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IntroverTurtle said:
Rashkolnikov said:
DrGeroCreation said:
I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
Don't worry, in a couple of weeks he'll switch to a new show. It's happened many times before.
Not really. Since I came here I have always been hyping Kuuchuu Buranko, Gankutsuou, Noein.
Apr 18, 2014 7:17 PM

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Shinbou is getting shit on like everything else that's popular.

Once Madoka and Monogatari started selling really well it was inevitable.

When Fate/Stay Night sells really well everyone will bash it too.

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Zergneedsfood said:
tsudecimo said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Rashkolnikov said:
DrGeroCreation said:
I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
Don't worry, in a couple of weeks he'll switch to a new show. It's happened many times before.

Like?


Probably another hipster anime people usually never hear about. :P

Maybe Kaiba or Kemononuzume is next. xD

What about Texhnocrap?
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DrGeroCreation said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Rashkolnikov said:
DrGeroCreation said:
I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
Don't worry, in a couple of weeks he'll switch to a new show. It's happened many times before.
Not really. Since I came here I have always been hyping Kuuchuu Buranko, Gankutsuou, Noein.
Black Jack OVAs, Onegai Teacher, Ah My Goddess, the ones you mentioned, Perfect Blue, and Lain(possibly) that I can sorta remember(I don't pay too much attention) are the ones at different times you always seemed to bring up. Lately it's with the heroines of Onegai Teacher and Ah My goddess, comparing them in unrelated threads to moe cute characters. Mentioning over and over how Black Jack, etc are so underrated, etc.
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Zergneedsfood said:
tsudecimo said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Rashkolnikov said:
DrGeroCreation said:
I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
Don't worry, in a couple of weeks he'll switch to a new show. It's happened many times before.

Like?


Probably another hipster anime people usually never hear about. :P

Maybe Kaiba or Kemononuzume is next. xD
No I don't like the look of Kaiba's character designs. I never really had any intention of watching it. @IntroverTurtle I have never liked Lain. Also those are anime I have always liked.
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I think I might have struck a nerve with somebody and made them butthurt. You might want to pull the shaft out of there.
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I think I might have struck a nerve with somebody and made them butthurt. You might want to pull the shaft out of there.

OOOOOHHHHHHH snap.
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IntroverTurtle said:
DrGeroCreation said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Rashkolnikov said:
DrGeroCreation said:
I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
Don't worry, in a couple of weeks he'll switch to a new show. It's happened many times before.
Not really. Since I came here I have always been hyping Kuuchuu Buranko, Gankutsuou, Noein.
Black Jack OVAs, Onegai Teacher, Ah My Goddess, the ones you mentioned, Perfect Blue, and Lain(possibly) that I can sorta remember(I don't pay too much attention) are the ones at different times you always seemed to bring up. Lately it's with the heroines of Onegai Teacher and Ah My goddess, comparing them in unrelated threads to moe cute characters. Mentioning over and over how Black Jack, etc are so underrated, etc.
What about Kaiji and YGO Season 0?
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Was this post made by Kaioshin_Sama?
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Apr 18, 2014 9:55 PM

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I've never seen the Monogatari series so im basing my thoughts of the Kingdom heart Love square and this New Vocaloid anime. the art styles are different in both so abstract.

I feel as though Nieskoi's art is more subdued than Actors. it's probably because they don't want you to miss the romance plot. very well done.
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It's a cool style, but the only shows that the style added anything to were Monogatari and Madoka Magica.
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SolviteSekai said:
Shinbou Is A god.

Also by this same definition Disney and Ghibli are recycled gimmicks.
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Even if I like the animation, it's getting so repetitive. Shinbo needs to refresh himself up.

But without him, Madoka Magika would have been animated by KyoAni. And the witches will look like cutesy moe characters.
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ran614 said:
Even if I like the animation, it's getting so repetitive. Shinbo needs to refresh himself up.

But without him, Madoka Magika would have been animated by KyoAni. And the witches will look like cutesy moe characters.


>.> like all the Demons in Beyond the barrier?
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I'm seeing a lot of Shinobu around here....

Goddamn that Vampire loli is so fucking awesome.

OP, I don't care man....Shaft gave us the Monogatari series, they can do whatever the fuck they want as far as I'm concerned.


I know right. I read it as Shinobu just like that one thread a week or two ago that had Shinbou in the thread title. I was confused as hell.
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ran614 said:
Even if I like the animation, it's getting so repetitive. Shinbo needs to refresh himself up.

But without him, Madoka Magika would have been animated by KyoAni. And the witches will look like cutesy moe characters.


>.> like all the Demons in Beyond the barrier?


Nah. I'm thinking girls like Sophia in this picture.

http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/7/57457.jpg

Walpurgisnacht will be moe characters parading. LOL
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ran614 said:
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ran614 said:
Even if I like the animation, it's getting so repetitive. Shinbo needs to refresh himself up.

But without him, Madoka Magika would have been animated by KyoAni. And the witches will look like cutesy moe characters.


>.> like all the Demons in Beyond the barrier?


Nah. I'm thinking girls like Sophia in this picture.

http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/7/57457.jpg

Walpurgisnacht will be moe characters parading. LOL


oh... yea they wouldn't be so forgotten quickly then :D
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Rashkolnikov said:
DrGeroCreation said:
I think the artstyle is overrated. Kuuchuu Buranko's artstyle and Gankutsuou's artstyle are more artistic.


Ok man, now everyone knows Kuuchuu Buranko is greatness. Every post of yours is about Kuuchuu Buranko, you can stop now. No need to carry that burden. I can set you free.
Don't worry, in a couple of weeks he'll switch to a new show. It's happened many times before.

Like?


Probably another hipster anime people usually never hear about. :P

Maybe Kaiba or Kemononuzume is next. xD

What about Texhnocrap?


Aw you son of a , you did not just say that!
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I would not call it artistic nor recycled. It usually looks beautifully surrealistic, which suits my tastes very well. If there was an anime,which's style I'd call artistic,it would be aforementioned Gankutsuou.
Apr 19, 2014 11:25 AM

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Directors often have a style of their own. Shinbo gets too much flack for doing what he does. I love his style and there are variances between the series he does.
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Every time I see a *monogatari series I think the background artist is like 75% lazy as fuck. I think the characters look good and then sometimes everything looks good... To be honest the stupid text flashes and blank color screens annoy me more. I don't understand the praise for Gankutsuou... It looks like a lot of tripped-out photoshop fail to me (or rather a shortcut to do pattern fills). Other anime have done the same thing just not to that eye-bleeding extent.
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Its Shinbo's trademark artstyle. You cant really blame him.
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mclovinballz said:
I'm pretty sure we all have at least heard of the Montagari series and how Shaft aimed for an abstract art style which led to a decent success. Whether you liked they style or not, it makes sense that they keep the it for the franchise. Now that Shaft has launched some new series/"IPs", do you think that Shaft truly is artistic or just trying to ride the coattails of the Montagari success and copy/paste its artstyle?
you are correct
Look at their most recent anime such as Nisekoi and Mekakucity actors
It was utter shit! Worse than the manga
People valuation were highly influence by their devotion to the success of Monogatari series that made them see it less objective
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