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May 8, 7:30 AM
#51
Reply to DreamingBeats
@perseii the only one here not blinded by confirmation bias. I tried visiting the site to look for the original source and almost immediately regretted it. The site is so sketchy it makes the onion looks credible. If i was using windows, i have little doubt the site would have given me a virus.
It also didn’t list an actual reputable source like asahi or mainichi. Actually I don’t think it actually listed a source, so for all i know it could all be made up.
btw op is the same guy who complained loudly how nintendo censored the peach shower scene…only to be proven wrong.
It also didn’t list an actual reputable source like asahi or mainichi. Actually I don’t think it actually listed a source, so for all i know it could all be made up.
btw op is the same guy who complained loudly how nintendo censored the peach shower scene…only to be proven wrong.
@DreamingBeats What I said about paper mario ttyd remake was the catcalling getting removed which is proven true. The bath scene in peach was confirmed safe so far. As for this news, you can even see this youtuber decided to report on it. You can question the source, but not every interview will have whatever "reliable source" your looking for. The source of this interview is not with me if my track record does bother you. Just out of curiousity, you don't believe Disney executives would push globalization? |
May 8, 7:36 AM
#52
Reply to APolygons2
@chinobot I don't think gatekeeping would help this one.
It's just that American producers REALLY enjoy sucking up to certain crowds that want to """fix""" everything. Which is fucked, I could not care less about anything else people like to argue about, but leave my god damn media out of it.
Is it really so much to ask to not have every god damn thing affected by the bastard higher ups?
They should just stfu and make their money. Leave the art to the people who actually give a shit about it.
It's just that American producers REALLY enjoy sucking up to certain crowds that want to """fix""" everything. Which is fucked, I could not care less about anything else people like to argue about, but leave my god damn media out of it.
Is it really so much to ask to not have every god damn thing affected by the bastard higher ups?
They should just stfu and make their money. Leave the art to the people who actually give a shit about it.
APolygons2 said: It's just that American producers REALLY enjoy sucking up to certain crowds that want to """fix""" everything. Which is fucked, I could not care less about anything else people like to argue about, but leave my god damn media out of it. Is it really so much to ask to not have every god damn thing affected by the bastard higher ups? They should just stfu and make their money. Leave the art to the people who actually give a shit about it. Coaghim said: OMG... So it begins... Curse all those ESG c*cksuckers & all the fools that defend these practices. Why is this disease spreading like an unstoppable virus globally? What is their end goal? Why? You guys don't get it. These people don't want to see plebs happy and will ruin the things you love just to spite you. They don't care about the profits, they already own everything. |
May 8, 7:39 AM
#53
Reply to Shizuna
APolygons2 said:
It's just that American producers REALLY enjoy sucking up to certain crowds that want to """fix""" everything. Which is fucked, I could not care less about anything else people like to argue about, but leave my god damn media out of it.
Is it really so much to ask to not have every god damn thing affected by the bastard higher ups?
They should just stfu and make their money. Leave the art to the people who actually give a shit about it.
It's just that American producers REALLY enjoy sucking up to certain crowds that want to """fix""" everything. Which is fucked, I could not care less about anything else people like to argue about, but leave my god damn media out of it.
Is it really so much to ask to not have every god damn thing affected by the bastard higher ups?
They should just stfu and make their money. Leave the art to the people who actually give a shit about it.
Coaghim said:
OMG...
So it begins...
Curse all those ESG c*cksuckers & all the fools that defend these practices. Why is this disease spreading like an unstoppable virus globally? What is their end goal? Why?
OMG...
So it begins...
Curse all those ESG c*cksuckers & all the fools that defend these practices. Why is this disease spreading like an unstoppable virus globally? What is their end goal? Why?
You guys don't get it. These people don't want to see plebs happy and will ruin the things you love just to spite you. They don't care about the profits, they already own everything.
@Shizuna Yeah well curse those buzzkill joykillers. May their spouse turn against them & make their personal lives miserable. |
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May 8, 7:41 AM
#54
Reply to deg
capitalism is about maximizing profit so its inevitable that they will serve all markets or consumers especially with globalization
@deg I would not call it plain on capitalism. The esg money is literally tax funded so it is socialism. If it was capitalism, the state would not protect the esg flopping companies scaring investors away. |
May 8, 7:44 AM
#55
Reply to Shizuna
APolygons2 said:
It's just that American producers REALLY enjoy sucking up to certain crowds that want to """fix""" everything. Which is fucked, I could not care less about anything else people like to argue about, but leave my god damn media out of it.
Is it really so much to ask to not have every god damn thing affected by the bastard higher ups?
They should just stfu and make their money. Leave the art to the people who actually give a shit about it.
It's just that American producers REALLY enjoy sucking up to certain crowds that want to """fix""" everything. Which is fucked, I could not care less about anything else people like to argue about, but leave my god damn media out of it.
Is it really so much to ask to not have every god damn thing affected by the bastard higher ups?
They should just stfu and make their money. Leave the art to the people who actually give a shit about it.
Coaghim said:
OMG...
So it begins...
Curse all those ESG c*cksuckers & all the fools that defend these practices. Why is this disease spreading like an unstoppable virus globally? What is their end goal? Why?
OMG...
So it begins...
Curse all those ESG c*cksuckers & all the fools that defend these practices. Why is this disease spreading like an unstoppable virus globally? What is their end goal? Why?
You guys don't get it. These people don't want to see plebs happy and will ruin the things you love just to spite you. They don't care about the profits, they already own everything.
@Shizuna I Don't think they are just sitting there with some hidden plan to slowly ruin all of media, but honestly, that would be more comforting than the reality. |
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May 8, 8:22 AM
#56
Reply to rohan121
@DreamingBeats
What I said about paper mario ttyd remake was the catcalling getting removed which is proven true. The bath scene in peach was confirmed safe so far. As for this news, you can even see this youtuber decided to report on it. You can question the source, but not every interview will have whatever "reliable source" your looking for. The source of this interview is not with me if my track record does bother you. Just out of curiousity, you don't believe Disney executives would push globalization?
What I said about paper mario ttyd remake was the catcalling getting removed which is proven true. The bath scene in peach was confirmed safe so far. As for this news, you can even see this youtuber decided to report on it. You can question the source, but not every interview will have whatever "reliable source" your looking for. The source of this interview is not with me if my track record does bother you. Just out of curiousity, you don't believe Disney executives would push globalization?
@rohan121 it makes sense that Disney would want to expand to as many markets as they can. that doesn't necessarily mean that they will force their hands and censor anime that is offered on their platform. i will reserve judgment until they actually do censor anime. |
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May 8, 8:30 AM
#57
Everyone should boycott Disney at this moment Fortunately, last time I watched a Disney affiliated series was more than 10 years ago |
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May 8, 9:06 AM
#58
The only solution to this throwing Disney away. As long as people pay them money, they'll keep doing it. They understand money, and you can only talk to them with it. Cancel subscription, pirate, and make it clear to them. If Sony fell, Disney will. "A shift toward more acceptable expressions" = "suppression of freedom of expression." |
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May 8, 9:28 AM
#59
Reply to HigherLvLThinker
Everyone should boycott Disney at this moment
Fortunately, last time I watched a Disney affiliated series was more than 10 years ago
Fortunately, last time I watched a Disney affiliated series was more than 10 years ago
@HigherLvLThinker The news source is not really credible to begin with. |
May 8, 9:33 AM
#60
Reply to KawaiiTanuki
LSSJ_Gaming said:
This has jack shit to do with "DEI" or "ESG" or any other stupid right-wing buzzword
This has jack shit to do with "DEI" or "ESG" or any other stupid right-wing buzzword
LSSJ_Gaming said:
buzzword
buzzword
Jesus, dude. Are you even trying? This is just pathetic lmao
@KawaiiTanuki they literally are just buzzwords meant to drive up controversy at this point and have been actively eroded from their original meanings. |
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May 8, 10:06 AM
#61
Reply to perseii
Before you lose your minds and pick up your pitchforks, please actually read the article the video is covering (click at your own risk, my browser keeps calling the site "unsafe," which doesn't help with credibility). The article even admits that they machine-translated (DeepL) an interview conducted by a Japanese site (really?!), so there may be some stuff lost or mistranslated.
I admit not having watched the video and only skimming the article, but the phrase "censor anime" seems like clickbait-y exaggeration to me.
The interviewee seems to the manager of a streaming platform commenting on the fact that there is a global audience for everything now, and that the anime industry (not Disney, but includes Disney, I assume) is more aware of this than before. Which is a completely expected and normal thing to say. If this guy said anything else, like "anime must not change, and we will host art in all shapes and forms, no matter the content," I would've been surprised and even a little worried.
I do think Disney's content policy is comically heavy-handed (they censor their own movies; look up CGI butt hair for their 80's movie Splash, for example), but I find the overreaction and outrage farming equally annoying.
I admit not having watched the video and only skimming the article, but the phrase "censor anime" seems like clickbait-y exaggeration to me.
The interviewee seems to the manager of a streaming platform commenting on the fact that there is a global audience for everything now, and that the anime industry (not Disney, but includes Disney, I assume) is more aware of this than before. Which is a completely expected and normal thing to say. If this guy said anything else, like "anime must not change, and we will host art in all shapes and forms, no matter the content," I would've been surprised and even a little worried.
I do think Disney's content policy is comically heavy-handed (they censor their own movies; look up CGI butt hair for their 80's movie Splash, for example), but I find the overreaction and outrage farming equally annoying.
@perseii Yeah, that site is pretty known for being very unreliable. They actively twist facts and create rage bait headlines in order to drive vitriol against certain groups, companies, and marginalized communities. They actively have beef with Disney for being "woke", so they definitely have an incentive to make whatever is happening seem more incendiary and sensationalized than what is actually going on. I definitely also agree that the use of DeepL is a good reason to be skeptical as well since AI translations have proven to be pretty unreliable compared to human ones, and with the source's bias against Disney that definitely should be taken note of. Disney does suck with its censorship policies and needs work on it a bit, but it is definitely concerning to see the community actively using this source uncritically and not doing further research.t feels like the community as a whole hasn't done their due diligence and won't fact check against other sources like is recommended in academic study because it affirms their biases. Disney has its problems for sure with censorship in Splash, Bluey, and having a weird aversion to sexual content (to the point of firing people who have created NSFW content which is rumored to be the reason writer Beau De Mayo got fired from X-Men '97), but it definitely feels like people are actively finding reasons to hate the company as they have been under A LOT of scrutiny in the public eye in the past 5 years some reasons warranted, others just stemmed in hate and outrage over trivial matters. It's one thing for people to be critical of things Disney does, but it's so exhausting seeing people use anything they do as ammunition for the "Culture War" nonsense and to affirm their positions. I mean look at many people fell for the outrage bait here, the article clearly worked in trying to drive up an emotional reaction out of people regardless of the actual matter of what is happening. |
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May 8, 11:56 AM
#62
DreamingBeats said: @perseii the only one here not blinded by confirmation bias. I tried visiting the site to look for the original source and almost immediately regretted it. The site is so sketchy it makes the onion looks credible. If i was using windows, i have little doubt the site would have given me a virus. It also didn’t list an actual reputable source like asahi or mainichi. Actually I don’t think it actually listed a source, so for all i know it could all be made up. btw op is the same guy who complained loudly how nintendo censored the peach shower scene…only to be proven wrong. What is wrong with the site? From what I can tell poorly translating this it is an offshoot of what was originally part of Mainichi apparently. Is it not? https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/MANTANWEB I just figured id reply on a hypothetical if what was said were true since it isnt really out of place with things Disney does. https://www.polygon.com/animation-cartoons/2020/5/27/21272224/disney-studio-ghibli-partnership-dubs-history (I hate watchmojo but it listed more than some other sites) https://www.watchmojo.com/articles/top-20-things-censored-on-disney-plus/a-history-of-edits-who-framed-roger-rabbit https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-pop-culture/disney-censors%2D%73%65x%2Daffection-pixar-films-according-letter-employees-rcna19505 Though OP did misrepresented what was being said. Not sure why since actual implications are worse than Disney doing anything. If that is what is going on it is related to Japan's declining population making them think they have to turn into the West to survive but really they just need to stop overproducing anime. LSSJ_Gaming said: Yeah, that site is pretty known for being very unreliable. They actively twist facts and create rage bait headlines in order to drive vitriol against certain groups, companies, and marginalized communities. They have multiple article writers that have different approaches. Some jump to conclusions and sensationalize some are very cautious and balanced. They also linked to the source a Japanese site called Mantanweb. LSSJ_Gaming said: I mean look at many people fell for the outrage bait here, the article clearly worked in trying to drive up an emotional reaction out of people regardless of the actual matter of what is happening. OP was doing the bait though, the article isnt making the claim OP did. Like i said i was just rolling with it since this is the kind of thing Disney does, even though it isnt really Disney behind this. |
traedMay 8, 6:31 PM
May 8, 3:03 PM
#63
Can we please unfreeze Walt Disney now? Someone need to take back the throne from Bob Iger. |
May 8, 3:05 PM
#64
May 8, 5:58 PM
#66
Ah yes, a disaster is approaching, because someone on YouTube shared their apocalyptic scenario about the anime industry, kekw. If, apart from reading tweets and YT videos, you do a basic research, consider the context, and also compare it to general Disney's approach to the anime, you might notice that it ain't a big deal. At least not as presented in those clips, resembling more of a clickbait calls to seethe and rage, rather than something informative. Weebs gonna weeb, eh? And I'm saying it as someone who isn't a huge fan of modern Disney. |
AdnashMay 8, 6:02 PM
May 8, 7:51 PM
#67
Here ya go. No way would I feel need to translate an entire article manually lol https://mantan-web.jp/article/20240428dog00m200014000c.html unfortunately DeepL was trying to block me from doing more translation so it just is google at some point which is fine since seems DeepL cant handle the subject matter well Article title ディズニー:日本のアニメに注力する理由 最高のストーリーテリングを世界へ (Google) Disney: Reasons for focusing on Japanese animation: Bringing the best storytelling to the world (DeepL) Disney: Why Focus on Japanese Animation? Bringing the Best Storytelling to the World ディズニー発のアニメーションには約100年にもおよぶ歴史がある。その影響を大きく受けた“日本のアニメ”は独自の進化を遂げ、今や世界中で人気を博し、大きな注目を集めている。各動画配信サービスが日本のアニメに注力する中、ディズニーの動画配信サービス「ディズニープラス」も2021年に日本のアニメの配信に本格参入した。なぜ、ディズニーは日本のアニメに注力しているのか? ディズニープラスの日本のアニメーション責任者の八幡拓人さんに聞いた。 (Google) Animation originating from Disney has a history spanning approximately 100 years. "Japanese anime", which was greatly influenced by this, has undergone a unique evolution and is now popular and attracting a lot of attention all over the world. While each video distribution service is focusing on Japanese anime, Disney's video distribution service "Disney Plus" also made a full-scale entry into the distribution of Japanese anime in 2021. Why is Disney focusing on Japanese anime? We asked Takuto Yahata, head of Japanese animation at Disney Plus. (DeepL) Animation originated by Disney has a history spanning nearly 100 years. Influenced by Disney, "Japanese animation" has evolved in its own unique way and is now popular around the world and attracting a great deal of attention. While video distribution services are focusing on Japanese animation, Disney's video distribution service "Disney Plus" has also entered the Japanese animation distribution market in earnest in 2021. Why is Disney focusing on Japanese animation? We asked Takuto Yawata, head of Japanese animation at Disney Plus. 2021年10月、ディズニープラスは「スター」というブランドを立ち上げた。それまではディズニー、ピクサー、マーベルなどのコンテンツを中心に配信してきたが、新たなブランドでは、最新映画、オリジナル作品、アニメを含む日本のコンテンツを大きく拡充した。 (Google) In October 2021, Disney Plus launched a brand called "Star". Until then, it had mainly distributed content from Disney, Pixar, Marvel, etc., but with the new brand, it has greatly expanded its Japanese content, including the latest movies, original works, and anime. (DeepL) In October 2021, Disney Plus launched the "Star" brand. Previously, the company had focused on content from Disney, Pixar, and Marvel, but the new brand greatly expanded its Japanese content to include the latest movies, original productions, and animated features. 「2021年、スターというブランドがオープンし、アニメだけではなくて実写を含めた日本コンテンツに対して改めて注力していこうとしました。今や日本のアニメは、一部の限られたファン層に向けたジャンルでは全くなくなっていて、日本のエンターテインメントを牽引(けんいん)しています。私たちのサービスは、子供から大人まで男女問わず楽しめる作品を配信しています。日本のアニメは、Z世代へのエンゲージメントの高さを期待していることもありますが、幅広い層の方に楽しんでいただけるジャンルだと思っています。」 (Google) “In 2021, the Star brand opened and we tried to refocus on Japanese content, including not only anime but also live-action.Nowadays, Japanese anime is aimed at a limited fan base. It's a completely different genre and is leading the way in Japanese entertainment. Our service delivers works that can be enjoyed by both men and women, from children to adults. I'm hoping for a high level of engagement, but I think it's a genre that can be enjoyed by a wide range of people." (DeepL) "In 2021, with the opening of the Star brand, we decided to renew our focus on Japanese content, including live-action as well as animation. Japanese animation is no longer a genre that caters to a limited fan base; it is now a driving force in Japanese entertainment. Our service delivers works that can be enjoyed by children and adults of all genders. We believe that Japanese anime is a genre that can be enjoyed by a wide range of people, in part because of the high level of engagement we expect from Generation Z." この10年ほどで、国内のみならず世界での日本のアニメの需要は大きく高まっているとも言われている。マニアックなものではなく、より一般的になっている。 (Google) It is said that the demand for Japanese anime has increased significantly over the past 10 years, not only in Japan but also around the world. It's no longer a geeky thing, it's becoming more common. (DeepL) It is also said that over the past decade or so, the demand for Japanese animation has increased significantly, both domestically and internationally. It has become less maniacal and more common. 「10年前から非常に大きな変化を遂げているのは間違いありません。今、日本のアニメは、黄金時代に突入しています。マーケットの規模としても3兆円を超え、最高を更新し続け、限られたファンに向けたものから、より一般的になっています。10年前と比べて、何が変わったかと言いますと、ビデオグラム、テレビ放送をセットでビジネスを考え、ビデオグラムを買っていただける層に向けて作品を作っていました。ビデオグラムは今ももちろんあるのですが、配信が一般的になり、ターゲットも国内には限らなくなってきました。配信の台頭が、グローバルに広まってきた理由です。世界のユーザーに向けたコミュニケーションツールとして非常に大きな役割を果たしていて、日本のアニメはまだまだ進化を遂げている途中にあると考えています」 (Google) “There is no doubt that it has undergone a huge change from 10 years ago.Japanese anime is now entering a golden age.The size of the market has exceeded 3 trillion yen and continues to reach new highs. Compared to 10 years ago, what has changed from something that was aimed at a limited number of fans is that people started thinking about the business of videograms and TV broadcasts and bought videograms. Of course, videograms still exist today, but as distribution has become more common, the target audience is no longer limited to Japan. That's why I decided to do this. I believe that Japanese anime is still evolving, and it plays a very important role as a communication tool for users around the world." (DeepL) "There is no doubt that we have seen very significant changes in the past 10 years. Today, Japanese animation is entering a golden age. What has changed compared to 10 years ago is that we used to think of the business as a set of videograms and TV broadcasts, and we used to make works for people who could buy videograms. We were making films for people who could buy videograms. Videograms are still around today, of course, but distribution has become more common, and the target audience is no longer limited to the domestic market. The rise of distribution is why it has spread globally. It is playing a very significant role as a communication tool for users around the world, and I believe that Japanese animation is still in the process of evolving!" (Lol why did it put an exclamation mark?) 米国、日本以外のアジアなどさまざまな国や地域に向けて一斉に配信できるようになったことも大きい。 (Google) Another big factor is that it is now possible to simultaneously distribute to various countries and regions such as the United States and Asia other than Japan. (DeepL) The ability to distribute simultaneously to various countries and regions, including Asia outside the U.S. and Japan, is also significant. 「先日、配信をスタートした『SAND LAND: THE SERIES』が顕著な例ですが、世界中で人気を博しています。もちろん日本で特に大きな反響をいただいていますが、それと肩を並べる、もしかしたら超えるくらい世界各国から好評のコメントをいただいています。あらゆる言語で『面白かった』というコメントが届くようになり、どの地域が特別好調であると言えないくらいです。数年前は北米のマーケットが伸びていたので、北米で受けるようなストーリーテリングに注力していました。アジアはまた違うジャンルが受けていて、国内、北米、アジア……と作り手の我々も意識していたところもありましたが、今は、どこの地域であろうが同じタイミングで同じ面白さ、感動を味わえるようになっています。それくらい日本のアニメは世界で一般的になっています。日本向けだと思っていたものが、どの地域でも受け入れられるようになっています。それくらい市場が成熟しているのが、今の状況だとは思っています」 (Google) ``A notable example is ``SAND LAND: THE SERIES,'' which recently started distribution, and is gaining popularity all over the world.Of course, it has received a particularly strong response in Japan, but it is possible that it will be on par with that. We've received positive comments from people all over the world. We're receiving comments from people all over the world saying it was interesting, and it's hard to say which region is doing particularly well. A few years ago, the North American market was growing. So we focused on storytelling in a way that would be popular in North America, and in Asia, a different genre was popular, and we as creators were also conscious of the fact that it was popular in Japan, North America, and Asia. Nowadays, you can enjoy the same fun and excitement at the same time no matter where you are. Japanese anime has become so common around the world that I thought it was only for Japan. However, it has become accepted in all regions. I think the market is mature enough now." (DeepL) The most notable example is "SAND LAND: THE SERIES," which we recently started distributing and which is proving popular all over the world. Of course, the response has been particularly strong in Japan, but we have received comments from all over the world that rival, if not exceed, the response in Japan. We have received comments in every language, and it is hard to say that any one region is doing particularly well. A few years ago, the North American market was growing, so we focused on storytelling that would be well received in North America. In Asia, a different genre was being received, and we, as creators, were conscious of the fact that we had to focus on domestic, North American, and Asian markets (......). Now, however, the same fun and excitement can be experienced at the same time in any region. That is how common Japanese animation has become around the world. What we thought was for the Japanese market is now accepted in all regions. I believe that the market has matured to that extent. のアニメはほかにはない独自の進化を遂げてきた歴史がある。ある種、先鋭化した表現だってある。世界に向けて配信するとなると、スタイルを変える必要はあるのだろうか? (Google) Japanese anime has a history of unique evolution unlike any other. There is also a kind of radical expression. Do you need to change your style when broadcasting to the world? 「何か大きく転換が図られてきたことはないと思います。根本的なストーリーテリング、アクションの精密さなども変わっていませんが、より受け入れられる表現を採択するようになっているところはあるかもしれません。多くの方に見ていただくために、人を傷つけない表現、誤解を招かないような表現は、当たり前にやるべきです。それはネガティブなことではなく、進化なのかもしれません。ビデオグラムが中心だった頃は、買いたい人だけが買えばいいという風潮もありましたが、より大きな市場に向けて、大人から子供までいつでも見られるサービスで配信しているので、我々の意識が変わってきています」 (Google) ``I don't think there have been any major changes.The fundamental storytelling and the precision of the action haven't changed, but there are some areas where people are adopting more acceptable expressions.'' In order to be seen by many people, it is natural to use expressions that do not hurt people or cause misunderstandings.This may not be a negative thing, but rather an evolution. When Videograms were the mainstay, there was a trend that only those who wanted to buy them should buy them, but now that we are distributing them to a larger market as a service that can be viewed by adults and children at any time, our awareness has changed. Things are changing.” (DeepL) "I don't think there has been any major shift," he said. "The fundamental storytelling, the precision of the action, etc. have not changed, but there may be a shift toward adopting more acceptable expressions. In order to be seen by many people, expressions that do not hurt or mislead people should be taken for granted. That is not a negative thing, but perhaps an evolution. When videograms were the focus, there was a tendency for only those who wanted to buy them to do so, but our awareness is changing because we are now distributing to a larger market through a service that can be viewed at any time by adults and children alike." 日本のアニメは独自の進化を遂げてきた歴史があるが、ディズニーの“アニメーション”との共通点、また違いをどのように考えているのだろうか? (Google) Japanese animation has a history of unique evolution, but what do you think it has in common with Disney's "animation" and how it differs? 「共通点は、本当にシンプルなのですが、作品の根幹はストーリーテリングだと思っています。主人公が目標に向かい、困難に打ち勝ち、立ち向かっていく……というような感動的なストーリーテリングは、普遍的で、突き詰めるべき一番大事なものです。違っている点と言いますか、日本のアニメの特異性は大きく二つあると考えています。一つは、原作となり得る市場の成熟です。昔からマンガや小説、ゲームといったアニメ以外のジャンルが非常に発達していて、創造の源泉となるものが枯渇しない。それがアニメ業界にとっていい刺激になっているのが、年間300本以上を作り続けられるゆえんだと思います。もちろん海外にも素晴らしいものがたくさんありますが、より特異なのが原作市場の成熟です。もう一つは制作現場のユニークさです。日本のアニメ制作会社は、ほぼ同じ制作方法で作っています。協力プレーで一つの作品を作り上げることもあります。だから絶え間なく作り続けられる。海外もそういうところもあるのですが、日本はより特異性があると思います」 (Google) ``The common denominator is really simple, but I believe that the core of all works is storytelling.Emotional storytelling in which the main character heads towards a goal, overcomes difficulties, and confronts them... The most important thing to focus on is the fact that there are two major differences in Japanese anime.One is the maturity of the market for original works. Genres other than anime, such as manga, novels, and games, are highly developed, and the source of creativity never runs out. This is a great stimulus for the anime industry, which is able to continue producing more than 300 titles a year. I think that's because of this.Of course, there are many great works overseas, but what is more unique is the maturity of the original work market.The other thing is that Japanese anime production companies use almost the same production method. Sometimes we create a piece through cooperative play.That's why we can continue to create.There are places like this overseas, but I think it's more unique in Japan. (DeepL) The common denominator is really quite simple, but I believe the foundation of the work is storytelling. The inspirational storytelling of a protagonist facing a goal, overcoming difficulties, and confronting challenges, such as ......, is universal and is the most important thing to keep in mind. There are two major differences or peculiarities of Japanese animation. The first is the maturity of the market for original works. The genres other than animation, such as manga, novels, and video games, have long been highly developed, and the sources of creativity have never dried up. This has been a good stimulus for the animation industry, and I think it is the reason why we can continue to produce more than 300 works a year. Of course, there are many great works overseas, but what is more unique is the maturity of the market for original works. The other factor is the uniqueness of the production site. Japanese animation production companies use almost the same production methods. Sometimes they work together to create a single work. That is why they can continue to produce unceasingly. There are also such places in other countries, but I think Japan is more unique. 「四畳半タイムマシンブルース」「東京リベンジャーズ」(聖夜決戦編、天竺編)」「天国大魔境」など数々の話題作を配信してきた。配信作品のセレクトの基準も気になるところだ。 (Google) He has distributed a number of popular works such as ``Yojohan Time Machine Blues'', ``Tokyo Revengers'' (Holy Night Battle Edition, Tenjiku Edition), and ``Heaven Daimakyou''. The criteria for selecting the works to be distributed is also a matter of concern. 「繰り返しになりますが、最高のストーリーテリングであることが第一のポイントです。決まったジャンル、作品性は考えていなくて、多様な方に見ていただいているサービスなので、特定のジャンルに絞っているわけではありません」 (Google) “Again, the first point is to provide the best possible storytelling.We don’t have a set genre or work style in mind; our service is viewed by a wide variety of people, so we focus on a specific genre. It's not like we're doing that." “独占配信”と聞くと、ユーザーにネガティブに捉えられてしまうこともあるかもしれない。ただ、ディズニープラスとしては、作品をより盛り上げるためにさまざまな施策を考えているという。 (Google) When users hear the term "exclusive distribution," it may be perceived negatively by users. However, Disney Plus is said to be considering various measures to make the work even more exciting. (DeepL) The term "exclusive distribution" may be perceived negatively by some users. However, Disney Plus is planning a variety of measures to make the film more exciting. 「ディズニープラスが日本のアニメを独占配信することに、ある種の驚きをもって迎えられていることは理解しています。我々は、配信プラットフォームではあるんですが、作品を送り出す一員でもあるので、『SAND LAND: THE SERIES』のように映画版との連動や、テレビ放送との連動など、自分たちの配信だけに固執せず、作品の盛り上がりに寄与したいと考えています。その最たる例が、講談社様との戦略的協業の拡大で、配信プラットフォームという立場にとどまらない盛り上げ方に力を入れています。独占配信のメリットをパートナーやファンの皆様により感じていただけるような努力をしているところです。ディズニープラスとしては、日本の優れたクリエイティブ、最高のストーリーテリングを世界にお届けするお手伝いをしようとしています」 (Google) “I understand that people are a little surprised that Disney Plus will be exclusively distributing Japanese anime.We are a distribution platform, but we are also a company that sends out works, so A prime example of this is Kodansha, who wants to contribute to the excitement of the work rather than just focusing on its own distribution, such as linking it with a movie version or TV broadcast, as in "SAND LAND: THE SERIES." By expanding our strategic collaboration with Yahoo!, we are focusing on ways to expand our reach beyond just being a distribution platform. At Disney Plus, we aim to help bring Japan's best creativity and best storytelling to the world." (DeepL) We understand that Disney Plus' exclusive distribution of Japanese animation has been met with a certain amount of surprise. We are a distribution platform, but we are also a distributor of works, so we want to contribute to the excitement of the works without sticking only to our own distribution, such as linking with the movie version like "SAND LAND: THE SERIES" or with TV broadcasts. The best example of this is the expansion of our strategic collaboration with Kodansha, for which we are focusing on ways to boost the excitement beyond our position as a distribution platform. We are working hard to make our partners and fans feel the benefits of exclusive distribution. As Disney Plus, we are trying to help bring the best of Japanese creativity and storytelling to the world. 今春には「ザ・ファブル」「戦隊大失格」といった話題作を独占配信している。 (Google) This spring, we are exclusively distributing popular works such as ``The Fable'' and ``Sentai Dai Shikkaku.'' 「講談社様との戦略的協業の拡大で『東京リベンジャーズ』という素晴らしい作品を配信させていただき、そのご縁もあり配信させていただくことになりました。2作共に、世界に向けて楽しんでいただける作品であることが、第一にありました。『戦隊大失格』は戦隊ヒーローが主人公ではなく、そこに立ち向かう戦闘員が主人公です。『ザ・ファブル』は、殺さない殺し屋が主人公で、どちらもとても斬新です。原作も世界中で人気ですし、講談社様と一緒に盛り上げていこうとしています」 (Google) “We have expanded our strategic collaboration with Kodansha to distribute the wonderful work ``Tokyo Revengers,'' and thanks to that connection we have decided to distribute it.We hope that both works will be enjoyed by the world. First and foremost, it was a work that people could enjoy.In ``Sentai Dai Shikkaku,'' the main character is not the Sentai hero, but the combatants who fight against them.In ``The Fable,'' the main character is an assassin who doesn't kill. Both are very innovative.The original works are also popular all over the world, and we are working with Kodansha to make them more popular." (DeepL) We are pleased to distribute "Tokyo Revengers" as part of our expanded strategic collaboration with Kodansha, and we are pleased to be able to distribute it as a result of that relationship. The heroes in "Sentai Taikaisha" are not the main characters, but the fighters who fight against them. The Fable" is about an assassin who doesn't kill, and both are very innovative. The original work is also popular around the world, and we are trying to make it more exciting together with Kodansha." 「ザ・ファブル」「戦隊大失格」は設定が斬新ではあるが、多くの人に受け入れられている。ニッチなようでニッチではなく、王道から外れても受け入れられているのが面白いところでもある。 (Google) Although the settings of ``The Fable'' and ``Sentai Dai Shikkaku'' are novel, they have been accepted by many people. It seems like a niche, but it's not, and what's interesting about it is that it's accepted even if it's off the beaten path. 「設定は特殊ではありますが、ニッチというよりは、斬新、独自、ユニークと捉えられているところが面白くて、それが日本のアニメの特殊性なのかもしれません。ストーリーテリングが進化し、王道から外れたものでも受け入れられる市場ができています。どんな設定であれ、人が感動するポイントは普遍的でも変わらないとも考えています。最高のストーリーテリングとは何か? 普遍的で、いつの時代の、どこの国、地域、どの世代にとっても等しく感動をお届けできるものだと考えています。組み合わせは無限大ですし、新しいものが生まれ続けてはいますが、変わらないものもあるはずです」 (Google) ``Although the setting is unusual, it is interesting that it is considered innovative, original, and unique rather than niche, and that may be the special feature of Japanese anime.Storytelling has evolved and strayed from the traditional way. No matter the setting, I believe that the best storytelling is universal and remains the same regardless of the time or place. I believe that it can deliver equal excitement to all countries, regions, and generations.The combinations are endless, and although new things continue to be created, there are some things that will never change. (DeepL) Although the setting is unique, it is interesting that it is seen as novel, original, and unique rather than niche, and perhaps that is what makes Japanese animation so special. Storytelling has evolved, and a market has been created where even something that deviates from the high road can be accepted. We also believe that no matter what the setting, the point at which people are moved remains the same, even if it is universal. What is the best storytelling? We believe that it is universal and can deliver an emotional experience equally well for any time period, any country, any region, and any generation. The combinations are endless, and while new ones are continually being created, some things will never change. 「マクロス」シリーズの全18タイトルが、ディズニープラスで2024年に配信されることも発表された。これまで国内での配信が中心となっていた同シリーズが、一部を除いて初めて世界配信されることになり、驚かされたアニメファンも多かっただろう。「コードギアス」の新作「コードギアス 奪還のロゼ」も世界独占配信されることが決定するなど、話題作がまだまだ控えている。 (Google) It was also announced that all 18 titles in the "Macross" series will be distributed on Disney Plus in 2024. Many anime fans were probably surprised that the series, which until now had been mainly distributed domestically, will now be distributed internationally for the first time, with some exceptions. There are still a lot of hot works coming up, such as the new Code Geass series ``Code Geass: Redemption of Rose'', which will be distributed exclusively worldwide. (DeepL) It was also announced that all 18 titles of the "Macross" series will be distributed by Disney Plus in 2024. Many anime fans may have been surprised to learn that the series, which until now has been distributed mainly in Japan, will be distributed worldwide for the first time, with a few exceptions. The new "Code Geass" series "Code Geass Retrieval of Rosé" will also be distributed exclusively worldwide. 八幡さんは「どんどん素晴らしい作品をお届けしていきます」とも話しており、今後の展開にも驚かされることになりそうだ。 (Google) Mr. Hachiman also said, ``We will continue to deliver more and more wonderful works,'' and it looks like we will be surprised by future developments. OPs bullshit aside this is still concerning that these studios in Japan feel they have to cater to the international or Western market now. |
traedMay 12, 2:53 AM
May 8, 8:26 PM
#68
@herry98 Nice try, but people don't care about details. They see a thing that looks bad, and immediately shit their pants. They could literally just be saying they want a specific type of anime for their platform, and have that be all there is to it, and no one would care. |
May 8, 9:14 PM
#69
Reply to FanofAction
@herry98 Nice try, but people don't care about details. They see a thing that looks bad, and immediately shit their pants. They could literally just be saying they want a specific type of anime for their platform, and have that be all there is to it, and no one would care.
@FanofAction Personally I just dont have time to investigate something I cant even do anything about anyway. Though I took time later and checked the Japanese article for more details after machine translating it. I didnt bother watching vid OP posted since i know he watches a lot of cringey youtubers. herry98 said: It's essential to be cautious with sensational headlines. The context behind the statement is crucial. It's possible that the executive was referring to specific content that might not align with Disney's values or standards for their platform in Japan. Censorship can take many forms, from editing explicit scenes to ensuring content is age-appropriate. Understanding the details of the situation would provide a clearer picture of what's being discussed. Disney has a pretty prudent idea of what is age appropriate ..though it isnt exactly about Disney just the industry in general getting fucked over from greed |
traedMay 8, 9:18 PM
May 8, 9:47 PM
#70
@traed Fair. I just think people in general should at least attempt to look into things before being all alarmist. As far as the video goes, I didn't watch it either beyond an initial glance to see the article being talked about. A title like that shows clear bias from that start, which I'm not interested in. For all the people worried about anime, I'm more worried about the animation industry over here though. The big corporations on this side seem to give zero fucks about animation. |
May 8, 10:39 PM
#71
Reply to FanofAction
@traed Fair. I just think people in general should at least attempt to look into things before being all alarmist. As far as the video goes, I didn't watch it either beyond an initial glance to see the article being talked about. A title like that shows clear bias from that start, which I'm not interested in.
For all the people worried about anime, I'm more worried about the animation industry over here though. The big corporations on this side seem to give zero fucks about animation.
For all the people worried about anime, I'm more worried about the animation industry over here though. The big corporations on this side seem to give zero fucks about animation.
@FanofAction Yeah I think same usually. Just cant be bothered and just go with the hypothetical sometimes. Both in the West and Japan the animation industry is in a bad state for the people that work in it and for the media preservation itself. |
May 8, 11:36 PM
#72
Reply to traed
@FanofAction
Yeah I think same usually. Just cant be bothered and just go with the hypothetical sometimes.
Both in the West and Japan the animation industry is in a bad state for the people that work in it and for the media preservation itself.
Yeah I think same usually. Just cant be bothered and just go with the hypothetical sometimes.
Both in the West and Japan the animation industry is in a bad state for the people that work in it and for the media preservation itself.
@traed Oh yeah, for sure when it comes to how workers are being treated they both have issues. As far as media preservation goes, I'm not really familiar with how Japan handles that to be honest. But I agree that is something that should be worried about on all fronts. The willingness to just scrub something from a digital platform with no other way to access it is very concerning. |
May 8, 11:37 PM
#73
May 9, 1:21 AM
#74
ok, first point. ESG... what tha fudge is that? i just did a general net search of the acronym. so wiki gave me this "Environmental, social, and governance (ESG), is a set of aspects, including environmental issues, social issues and corporate governance that can be considered in investing." is THAT the acronym these folks are talking about? what tha HELL does that have to do with anything this YouTuber or the Disney+ Japan Executive said? second point, where is the actual ARTICLE and some quotes from said D+Jap. Executive? THIS kind of 'coverage' by this YouTube guy is the reason why i don't follow or dig into 70% of the otaku 'stuffs' on YT. most of the folks i've watched in the past 2 years on otaku 'stuffs' are guys like AdvisorLorne and AniNews and i've followed FoxenAnime for over 5 years... folks that actually give 2 craps about the sources, the anime, Japan, the industries, live there, work there, are 100% bilingual or fairly fluent in both English and Japanese... people like ME... not some Johnny Come Lately that got started back in 2006... 18 years is a decent track record... but from my perspective of getting into anime back in 1990?!? he is a noob (to me). third point, if you do NOT know the actual market-share percentages or the Dollar (& international currencies) to Yen differences in income THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE OTAKU INDUSTRIES? shut up about it and don't say a word. throwing around FAKE NUMBERS or 'cloud castles in the sky stats' just shows me this YT guy did NOT DO HIS RESEARCH! fourth point, Disney+ ?? ok... you folks who know it better than me, all i know is general newsbytes i see on Google etc. i do NOT use them, other than 'grey web capture' files on 'those anime sites'. hasn't their US and EU subscribers and revenue stream TANKED LIKE A MFer? in the past year to two years? i read two articles back in April 2024 about a Corporate Meeting in the US of the Disney+ execs. and the report they published stated their Q1 (Jan to Mar 2024) numbers DROPPED in subscribers and income OVER 30% of their average numbers for THE PREVIOUS THREE QUARTERS! that's including the addition of Bleach to their 'stuffs' as well as HULU (which Disney owns a kinda sorta big piece of nowadays) and all the anime HULU is adding in the past lil while... as well as all the Marvel and Star Wars stuffs. so if Disney+, with all their old stuff from back in the Uncle Walt era, the 80's 90's and 2000's stuff like Lion King and Aladdin etc. , the Marvel stuff, the Star Wars stuff, and now anime AND HULU... with all THAT? Disney+ can't hook and KEEP people paying the fee(s) over the first three months of 2024 to the tune of MORE THAN A 1/4 drop in users? sounds to me like their business plan SUCKS! also, last i heard/read DISNEY DOESN'T INVEST IN ANIME! they just (so far) buy the streaming rights to a FEW shows RECENTLY! last i read, Viz Media (owned by big Yen Guys in Japan) is footing the whole bill for moving Bleach TYBWA into English and other languages... Disney just OUTBID EVERYBODY for international STREAMING ONLY rights. but that's just one title... fifth point, OMFG! just let the 'fake controversy over political localizers' just DIE already. just let it die a quiet, whimpering, death. every company 'bitched about' has either been THE big name in making anime available to international audiences (Funi) since i was a teenager... or 'some' of the other companies (like Sentai) that has been doing dubs n subs for more than two decades. these companies, know what tha hell they're doing a whole lot better than some vocal raving randos on the internet. y'all quitcherbitchin... this IS NOT THE FIRST TIME 'issues' with subs n dubs n screenwriting/translation choices and censorship and cut n paste editing of anime... has cropped up in the past 30 years. y'all know Macross? y'all know ROBOTECH? y'all know the company named Harmony Gold? if you don't? learn some anime dubbing history. y'all know Cardcaptor Sakura(1998-2000 version)? y'all know the company named Nelvana? y'all know about the North American Fox Kids broadcast of Cardcaptors? if you don't? learn some anime dubbing history! because THAT one? was only 24 and 23 years ago. Harmony Gold's ROBOTECH was in 1990 and where i got started with anime. aight, that's all i got right now. |
just an ol school otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
May 9, 1:42 AM
#75
Reply to KiliianSleipnir
ok, first point. ESG... what tha fudge is that? i just did a general net search of the acronym. so wiki gave me this "Environmental, social, and governance (ESG), is a set of aspects, including environmental issues, social issues and corporate governance that can be considered in investing." is THAT the acronym these folks are talking about? what tha HELL does that have to do with anything this YouTuber or the Disney+ Japan Executive said?
second point, where is the actual ARTICLE and some quotes from said D+Jap. Executive? THIS kind of 'coverage' by this YouTube guy is the reason why i don't follow or dig into 70% of the otaku 'stuffs' on YT. most of the folks i've watched in the past 2 years on otaku 'stuffs' are guys like AdvisorLorne and AniNews and i've followed FoxenAnime for over 5 years... folks that actually give 2 craps about the sources, the anime, Japan, the industries, live there, work there, are 100% bilingual or fairly fluent in both English and Japanese... people like ME... not some Johnny Come Lately that got started back in 2006... 18 years is a decent track record... but from my perspective of getting into anime back in 1990?!? he is a noob (to me).
third point, if you do NOT know the actual market-share percentages or the Dollar (& international currencies) to Yen differences in income THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE OTAKU INDUSTRIES? shut up about it and don't say a word. throwing around FAKE NUMBERS or 'cloud castles in the sky stats' just shows me this YT guy did NOT DO HIS RESEARCH!
fourth point, Disney+ ?? ok... you folks who know it better than me, all i know is general newsbytes i see on Google etc. i do NOT use them, other than 'grey web capture' files on 'those anime sites'. hasn't their US and EU subscribers and revenue stream TANKED LIKE A MFer? in the past year to two years? i read two articles back in April 2024 about a Corporate Meeting in the US of the Disney+ execs. and the report they published stated their Q1 (Jan to Mar 2024) numbers DROPPED in subscribers and income OVER 30% of their average numbers for THE PREVIOUS THREE QUARTERS! that's including the addition of Bleach to their 'stuffs' as well as HULU (which Disney owns a kinda sorta big piece of nowadays) and all the anime HULU is adding in the past lil while... as well as all the Marvel and Star Wars stuffs. so if Disney+, with all their old stuff from back in the Uncle Walt era, the 80's 90's and 2000's stuff like Lion King and Aladdin etc. , the Marvel stuff, the Star Wars stuff, and now anime AND HULU... with all THAT? Disney+ can't hook and KEEP people paying the fee(s) over the first three months of 2024 to the tune of MORE THAN A 1/4 drop in users? sounds to me like their business plan SUCKS! also, last i heard/read DISNEY DOESN'T INVEST IN ANIME! they just (so far) buy the streaming rights to a FEW shows RECENTLY! last i read, Viz Media (owned by big Yen Guys in Japan) is footing the whole bill for moving Bleach TYBWA into English and other languages... Disney just OUTBID EVERYBODY for international STREAMING ONLY rights. but that's just one title...
fifth point, OMFG! just let the 'fake controversy over political localizers' just DIE already. just let it die a quiet, whimpering, death. every company 'bitched about' has either been THE big name in making anime available to international audiences (Funi) since i was a teenager... or 'some' of the other companies (like Sentai) that has been doing dubs n subs for more than two decades. these companies, know what tha hell they're doing a whole lot better than some vocal raving randos on the internet. y'all quitcherbitchin... this IS NOT THE FIRST TIME 'issues' with subs n dubs n screenwriting/translation choices and censorship and cut n paste editing of anime... has cropped up in the past 30 years. y'all know Macross? y'all know ROBOTECH? y'all know the company named Harmony Gold? if you don't? learn some anime dubbing history. y'all know Cardcaptor Sakura(1998-2000 version)? y'all know the company named Nelvana? y'all know about the North American Fox Kids broadcast of Cardcaptors? if you don't? learn some anime dubbing history! because THAT one? was only 24 and 23 years ago. Harmony Gold's ROBOTECH was in 1990 and where i got started with anime.
aight, that's all i got right now.
second point, where is the actual ARTICLE and some quotes from said D+Jap. Executive? THIS kind of 'coverage' by this YouTube guy is the reason why i don't follow or dig into 70% of the otaku 'stuffs' on YT. most of the folks i've watched in the past 2 years on otaku 'stuffs' are guys like AdvisorLorne and AniNews and i've followed FoxenAnime for over 5 years... folks that actually give 2 craps about the sources, the anime, Japan, the industries, live there, work there, are 100% bilingual or fairly fluent in both English and Japanese... people like ME... not some Johnny Come Lately that got started back in 2006... 18 years is a decent track record... but from my perspective of getting into anime back in 1990?!? he is a noob (to me).
third point, if you do NOT know the actual market-share percentages or the Dollar (& international currencies) to Yen differences in income THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE OTAKU INDUSTRIES? shut up about it and don't say a word. throwing around FAKE NUMBERS or 'cloud castles in the sky stats' just shows me this YT guy did NOT DO HIS RESEARCH!
fourth point, Disney+ ?? ok... you folks who know it better than me, all i know is general newsbytes i see on Google etc. i do NOT use them, other than 'grey web capture' files on 'those anime sites'. hasn't their US and EU subscribers and revenue stream TANKED LIKE A MFer? in the past year to two years? i read two articles back in April 2024 about a Corporate Meeting in the US of the Disney+ execs. and the report they published stated their Q1 (Jan to Mar 2024) numbers DROPPED in subscribers and income OVER 30% of their average numbers for THE PREVIOUS THREE QUARTERS! that's including the addition of Bleach to their 'stuffs' as well as HULU (which Disney owns a kinda sorta big piece of nowadays) and all the anime HULU is adding in the past lil while... as well as all the Marvel and Star Wars stuffs. so if Disney+, with all their old stuff from back in the Uncle Walt era, the 80's 90's and 2000's stuff like Lion King and Aladdin etc. , the Marvel stuff, the Star Wars stuff, and now anime AND HULU... with all THAT? Disney+ can't hook and KEEP people paying the fee(s) over the first three months of 2024 to the tune of MORE THAN A 1/4 drop in users? sounds to me like their business plan SUCKS! also, last i heard/read DISNEY DOESN'T INVEST IN ANIME! they just (so far) buy the streaming rights to a FEW shows RECENTLY! last i read, Viz Media (owned by big Yen Guys in Japan) is footing the whole bill for moving Bleach TYBWA into English and other languages... Disney just OUTBID EVERYBODY for international STREAMING ONLY rights. but that's just one title...
fifth point, OMFG! just let the 'fake controversy over political localizers' just DIE already. just let it die a quiet, whimpering, death. every company 'bitched about' has either been THE big name in making anime available to international audiences (Funi) since i was a teenager... or 'some' of the other companies (like Sentai) that has been doing dubs n subs for more than two decades. these companies, know what tha hell they're doing a whole lot better than some vocal raving randos on the internet. y'all quitcherbitchin... this IS NOT THE FIRST TIME 'issues' with subs n dubs n screenwriting/translation choices and censorship and cut n paste editing of anime... has cropped up in the past 30 years. y'all know Macross? y'all know ROBOTECH? y'all know the company named Harmony Gold? if you don't? learn some anime dubbing history. y'all know Cardcaptor Sakura(1998-2000 version)? y'all know the company named Nelvana? y'all know about the North American Fox Kids broadcast of Cardcaptors? if you don't? learn some anime dubbing history! because THAT one? was only 24 and 23 years ago. Harmony Gold's ROBOTECH was in 1990 and where i got started with anime.
aight, that's all i got right now.
@KiliianSleipnir 1) ESG - Environmental, Social and Governance. The social part is the biggest problem because it effectively allows prioritizing people by belonging to a social group instead of being competent. 2) Even if this is just a rumor, it's still a really chilling rumor. If anime goes under entertainment is going under too. 3) Blah, blah, money. Doesn't matter now, especially to someone like Disney who had several major box office bombs last year. This proves that it's not about money but a political agenda. 4) Disney actually didn't upload everything from their catalog on Disney +. They still don't want to release Song of the South because it undermines their modern image, and they added warnings to Peter Pan how "it's not suitable for kids" because Native stereotypes. 5) hur CONSOOM. The whole dub butchering era only occured because of America's insane political extremism in the Reagan, Clinton and Bush eras. If people do still care about those dubs, it's because it was all people actually had available, you had no Internet to find raws. Also, speaking of stupid political jokes in translations, easily the biggest offender would be the anti-Trump quip in Hajimete no Gal. Like what do the American presidential elections have to do with a romcom about a guy trying to approach a gyaru? |
Hot Blood saves lives. |
May 9, 2:03 AM
#76
KiliianSleipnir said: where is the actual ARTICLE and some quotes from said D+Jap. Executive? See my post above #68. I am still trying to finish having redundancy translations so you can cross reference to guess what they meant. |
May 9, 2:23 AM
#77
Reply to rohan121
It seems another youtuber gave their thoughts on it.
@rohan121 2:27 i dunno who this YellowFlash guy is... but... his 'source' just lied their asses off. "Robotech, the space opera anime epic of humans defending their homeworld against alien domination, is set to return for a new generation of audiences as Funimation premieres all 85 episodes of the series remastered — along with the two movies, Robotech II: The Sentinels and Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles — on its streaming service in the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand on August 24." https://www.animationmagazine.net/2021/08/remastered-robotech-series-movies-set-for-funimation-streaming-blu-ray/ Funi's old email newsletter informed me of their BOXED SET of remastered BR disks for ROBOTECH a few years back AND Crunchy is STILL streaming ROBOTECH right now! https://www.crunchyroll.com/series/GEXH3WKDP/robotech now maybe MAYBE Disney got ahold of the 'old masters' for MACROSS and is doing 'something' with it. ah i see! yep, they have. https://comicbook.com/anime/news/macross-anime-disney-streaming/ well that's good! i'm glad the fans of this OG anime will have a way to watch it without pirating or being force-fed Harmony Gold's work from back in the 1990's. i personally liked HG's work and own the entire franchise of ROBOTECH on their old DVDs... OMG! 7:12 is this guy a noob or an IDIOT!? yes, streaming got anime popular WORLD WIDE... and not just CartoonNetwork and AnimeNetwork on cable TV in North America. Funimation did it first in the US by dubbing Dragonball and distributing it via syndication on broadcast TV airwave networks in limited markets. but the 'big push' OUTSIDE NA didn't happen till 2000'n something with the explosion of 'grey web' streaming and fanslations and fansubs and official works electronic versions and paper publishing. Funi got the ball rolling and has run with it HARD ever since they were founded. Viz Media. ADV Films. Sentai Filmworks. Crunchyroll. everybody had a role to play. yet ANOTHER YTer that does NOT SOURCE THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE! just this one site, who at LEAST quoted the Disney+Japan Executive's interview. also, VIDEO GRAMS? baaad translation. disks. DVDs. Blurays. VHS tapes! OVA only releases of manga titles before anime exploded on TV in Japan. |
just an ol school otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
May 9, 4:32 AM
#78
rohan121 said: Do you think anime should cater to "modern audiences." I think this direction was pretty obvious given the rise of esg scores and Sony buying anime. Do you think Japan will bend the knee to esg like Pokemon and Sony? We really see this frequently with modern games And this is why disney sucks It's baffling how people don't realize the whole reason anime gained popularity outside japan is because it's different from their local entertainment, censorship will only loose them money |
What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
May 9, 4:33 AM
#79
Reply to Tropisch
This is why Disney getting so much power was a mistake, though I'm not too sure about this one, Disney Plus has Black Rock Shooter Dawnfall, which has a rapist sexbot on the show.
Tropisch said: This is why Disney getting so much power was a mistake, though I'm not too sure about this one, Disney Plus has Black Rock Shooter Dawnfall, which has a rapist sexbot on the show. It's disney, what were you expecting? |
What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
May 9, 4:36 AM
#80
May 9, 11:01 AM
#81
If I wanted to watch content made for those with western sensibilities, we have an entire western entertainment industry for that. I watch anime because it gives me options American entertainment doesn't. |
May 9, 8:47 PM
#82
Concerning if true, but this seems like a vague corporate-speak statement transmitted via a Telephone Game running from Original Interview -> Translation -> Reactionary Clickbait Website (BoundingIntoComics) -> YouTube Alt-Right Outrage Merchants (Chibi Reviews, Yellow-Flash). So forgive me if I seem skeptical about this whole thing. Either way, good thing Disney only licenses an anime or two per season, right? Besides, given Japan's aging/shrinking population, one can't expect that market to single-handedly sustain the anime industry and subsidize everyone else's boycotts pirated consumption forever.- |
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Everything that connects to MAL |
May 10, 4:19 AM
#83
I wouldn't take anything Chibi-reviews says seriously tbh. |
May 10, 10:45 AM
#84
And they call the Western countries "free" lol...it totally isnt. We get a complete totalitarian police state right now... |
May 11, 3:01 AM
#86
Reply to traed
KiliianSleipnir said:
where is the actual ARTICLE and some quotes from said D+Jap. Executive?
where is the actual ARTICLE and some quotes from said D+Jap. Executive?
See my post above #68. I am still trying to finish having redundancy translations so you can cross reference to guess what they meant.
@traed thanks, i'll give it a read when i get some time. update when you get the MTL 'cleaned up' whenever you can. :) |
just an ol school otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
May 11, 3:56 AM
#87
Reply to TheMechaManiac
@KiliianSleipnir
1) ESG - Environmental, Social and Governance. The social part is the biggest problem because it effectively allows prioritizing people by belonging to a social group instead of being competent.
2) Even if this is just a rumor, it's still a really chilling rumor. If anime goes under entertainment is going under too.
3) Blah, blah, money. Doesn't matter now, especially to someone like Disney who had several major box office bombs last year. This proves that it's not about money but a political agenda.
4) Disney actually didn't upload everything from their catalog on Disney +. They still don't want to release Song of the South because it undermines their modern image, and they added warnings to Peter Pan how "it's not suitable for kids" because Native stereotypes.
5) hur CONSOOM. The whole dub butchering era only occured because of America's insane political extremism in the Reagan, Clinton and Bush eras. If people do still care about those dubs, it's because it was all people actually had available, you had no Internet to find raws. Also, speaking of stupid political jokes in translations, easily the biggest offender would be the anti-Trump quip in Hajimete no Gal. Like what do the American presidential elections have to do with a romcom about a guy trying to approach a gyaru?
1) ESG - Environmental, Social and Governance. The social part is the biggest problem because it effectively allows prioritizing people by belonging to a social group instead of being competent.
2) Even if this is just a rumor, it's still a really chilling rumor. If anime goes under entertainment is going under too.
3) Blah, blah, money. Doesn't matter now, especially to someone like Disney who had several major box office bombs last year. This proves that it's not about money but a political agenda.
4) Disney actually didn't upload everything from their catalog on Disney +. They still don't want to release Song of the South because it undermines their modern image, and they added warnings to Peter Pan how "it's not suitable for kids" because Native stereotypes.
5) hur CONSOOM. The whole dub butchering era only occured because of America's insane political extremism in the Reagan, Clinton and Bush eras. If people do still care about those dubs, it's because it was all people actually had available, you had no Internet to find raws. Also, speaking of stupid political jokes in translations, easily the biggest offender would be the anti-Trump quip in Hajimete no Gal. Like what do the American presidential elections have to do with a romcom about a guy trying to approach a gyaru?
@TheMechaManiac oookay 1 social groups? it said social issues... like... Chick-Fil-A not giving same-sex partners equal treatment under employee benefits packages. so investors that don't like that company's policies shouldn't INVEST in that company. or some Battery company actively getting their lithium from mines in countries where child miners are just as common as adult ones... things like that. what do social groups have anything to do with anything? 2 without reading the actual article, the OP YTuber just parroted some other person's ignorant tweet who didn't source the article either. so 1 person starts a 'flamewar' and person 2 takes THAT and fans the flames even higher... with NO rational backing at all. now folks that follow this YTer will SPREAD this disinformation like a virus in a crowded mall. 3 how is it political? which Party? which viewpoint of the people: conservative or liberal or moderate? what agenda? where is Disney's platform, manifesto, core beliefs? seriously, folks SAY "disney has an agenda" when there is no proof given by 'those who say it'. what goal would their political agenda have and what end-game or any maneuvers are they performing in public have been declared? just because a skunk squirts some stench around my house, doesn't make me immediately think, "The skunks have an agenda! They're trying to take over the world! NewWorldOrder of Skunks!" 4 as i said before, i don't use it/watch it/know what's on it. i just know they have a vast 'library' of titles... heck tons upon tons of old live action movies that don't get circulated much anymore. old nature flicks and 'edutainment documentaries' etc. so if the 'new stuff' can't keep people, how is this so called AGENDA working? if it won't keep people tuned in and 'somehow mold their minds to do what disney wants them to'? sounds like a HIGHLY ineffective and FAKE agenda that doesn't exist... 5 uhhh no. haha. did you live back then? :> political extremism? what country are you from? what extremists? how extreme was removing homosexual relationships amongst children, inappropriate child to older young adult affections, and several other iffy points? we're talking EXTREME... if it was that extremist... they wouldn't have bought the title in the FIRST PLACE! remember how Muslims griped oh... a few decades back about that one book by that one guy... the whatchamacallit iahtolla of Iran put out a FATWA calling for the author's DEATH! salman rushdie The Satanic Verses.... THAT is how extremists behave. they don't pay money to BUY something they hate. source that Trump line would you? Episode and timecode if you don't mind. i've watched HnG more than once in dub and sub and i've got Funimation's DVD of it too. i don't remember a single Trump line in the whole show. even tvtropes.org didn't mention it. also, HnG is a GAG DUB... it was purposefully done like that... otherwise, why would all the actresses for the Gal characters bust out their best Valley Girl for their roles? it wasn't the first time Funimation did that either. Burst Angel... the characters from 'that town' all ALL get Corny Texas Accents from the Funimation crew... because they're based in Texas and the first talent to 'try it' got a good laugh from the technical crew because the Japanese talents all used 'that town' dialect in the J.Dub. so Funi ran with the gag and it just kept on going. High School DxD is a CLASSIC exemplar of a Gag Dub... Issei uses oppai so much that Funi's crew POLLED THEIR ENTIRE STAFF to get as many synonyms/slang for 'boobs' as possible so J.J. Grelle and Scott Freeman didn't have to say 'boobs' every. single. time. that gag was so obvious J.J. AND Jamie Marchi AND Jad Saxton mentioned the poll and the gag in Funi's DVD/BR extras 'interviews with the staff' in their boxed set of Season1. |
just an ol school otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
May 11, 5:47 AM
#88
Reply to KiliianSleipnir
@TheMechaManiac
oookay
1 social groups? it said social issues... like... Chick-Fil-A not giving same-sex partners equal treatment under employee benefits packages. so investors that don't like that company's policies shouldn't INVEST in that company. or some Battery company actively getting their lithium from mines in countries where child miners are just as common as adult ones... things like that. what do social groups have anything to do with anything?
2 without reading the actual article, the OP YTuber just parroted some other person's ignorant tweet who didn't source the article either. so 1 person starts a 'flamewar' and person 2 takes THAT and fans the flames even higher... with NO rational backing at all. now folks that follow this YTer will SPREAD this disinformation like a virus in a crowded mall.
3 how is it political? which Party? which viewpoint of the people: conservative or liberal or moderate? what agenda? where is Disney's platform, manifesto, core beliefs? seriously, folks SAY "disney has an agenda" when there is no proof given by 'those who say it'. what goal would their political agenda have and what end-game or any maneuvers are they performing in public have been declared? just because a skunk squirts some stench around my house, doesn't make me immediately think, "The skunks have an agenda! They're trying to take over the world! NewWorldOrder of Skunks!"
4 as i said before, i don't use it/watch it/know what's on it. i just know they have a vast 'library' of titles... heck tons upon tons of old live action movies that don't get circulated much anymore. old nature flicks and 'edutainment documentaries' etc. so if the 'new stuff' can't keep people, how is this so called AGENDA working? if it won't keep people tuned in and 'somehow mold their minds to do what disney wants them to'? sounds like a HIGHLY ineffective and FAKE agenda that doesn't exist...
5 uhhh no. haha. did you live back then? :> political extremism? what country are you from? what extremists? how extreme was removing homosexual relationships amongst children, inappropriate child to older young adult affections, and several other iffy points? we're talking EXTREME... if it was that extremist... they wouldn't have bought the title in the FIRST PLACE! remember how Muslims griped oh... a few decades back about that one book by that one guy... the whatchamacallit iahtolla of Iran put out a FATWA calling for the author's DEATH! salman rushdie The Satanic Verses.... THAT is how extremists behave. they don't pay money to BUY something they hate.
source that Trump line would you? Episode and timecode if you don't mind. i've watched HnG more than once in dub and sub and i've got Funimation's DVD of it too. i don't remember a single Trump line in the whole show. even tvtropes.org didn't mention it. also, HnG is a GAG DUB... it was purposefully done like that... otherwise, why would all the actresses for the Gal characters bust out their best Valley Girl for their roles? it wasn't the first time Funimation did that either. Burst Angel... the characters from 'that town' all ALL get Corny Texas Accents from the Funimation crew... because they're based in Texas and the first talent to 'try it' got a good laugh from the technical crew because the Japanese talents all used 'that town' dialect in the J.Dub. so Funi ran with the gag and it just kept on going. High School DxD is a CLASSIC exemplar of a Gag Dub... Issei uses oppai so much that Funi's crew POLLED THEIR ENTIRE STAFF to get as many synonyms/slang for 'boobs' as possible so J.J. Grelle and Scott Freeman didn't have to say 'boobs' every. single. time. that gag was so obvious J.J. AND Jamie Marchi AND Jad Saxton mentioned the poll and the gag in Funi's DVD/BR extras 'interviews with the staff' in their boxed set of Season1.
oookay
1 social groups? it said social issues... like... Chick-Fil-A not giving same-sex partners equal treatment under employee benefits packages. so investors that don't like that company's policies shouldn't INVEST in that company. or some Battery company actively getting their lithium from mines in countries where child miners are just as common as adult ones... things like that. what do social groups have anything to do with anything?
2 without reading the actual article, the OP YTuber just parroted some other person's ignorant tweet who didn't source the article either. so 1 person starts a 'flamewar' and person 2 takes THAT and fans the flames even higher... with NO rational backing at all. now folks that follow this YTer will SPREAD this disinformation like a virus in a crowded mall.
3 how is it political? which Party? which viewpoint of the people: conservative or liberal or moderate? what agenda? where is Disney's platform, manifesto, core beliefs? seriously, folks SAY "disney has an agenda" when there is no proof given by 'those who say it'. what goal would their political agenda have and what end-game or any maneuvers are they performing in public have been declared? just because a skunk squirts some stench around my house, doesn't make me immediately think, "The skunks have an agenda! They're trying to take over the world! NewWorldOrder of Skunks!"
4 as i said before, i don't use it/watch it/know what's on it. i just know they have a vast 'library' of titles... heck tons upon tons of old live action movies that don't get circulated much anymore. old nature flicks and 'edutainment documentaries' etc. so if the 'new stuff' can't keep people, how is this so called AGENDA working? if it won't keep people tuned in and 'somehow mold their minds to do what disney wants them to'? sounds like a HIGHLY ineffective and FAKE agenda that doesn't exist...
5 uhhh no. haha. did you live back then? :> political extremism? what country are you from? what extremists? how extreme was removing homosexual relationships amongst children, inappropriate child to older young adult affections, and several other iffy points? we're talking EXTREME... if it was that extremist... they wouldn't have bought the title in the FIRST PLACE! remember how Muslims griped oh... a few decades back about that one book by that one guy... the whatchamacallit iahtolla of Iran put out a FATWA calling for the author's DEATH! salman rushdie The Satanic Verses.... THAT is how extremists behave. they don't pay money to BUY something they hate.
source that Trump line would you? Episode and timecode if you don't mind. i've watched HnG more than once in dub and sub and i've got Funimation's DVD of it too. i don't remember a single Trump line in the whole show. even tvtropes.org didn't mention it. also, HnG is a GAG DUB... it was purposefully done like that... otherwise, why would all the actresses for the Gal characters bust out their best Valley Girl for their roles? it wasn't the first time Funimation did that either. Burst Angel... the characters from 'that town' all ALL get Corny Texas Accents from the Funimation crew... because they're based in Texas and the first talent to 'try it' got a good laugh from the technical crew because the Japanese talents all used 'that town' dialect in the J.Dub. so Funi ran with the gag and it just kept on going. High School DxD is a CLASSIC exemplar of a Gag Dub... Issei uses oppai so much that Funi's crew POLLED THEIR ENTIRE STAFF to get as many synonyms/slang for 'boobs' as possible so J.J. Grelle and Scott Freeman didn't have to say 'boobs' every. single. time. that gag was so obvious J.J. AND Jamie Marchi AND Jad Saxton mentioned the poll and the gag in Funi's DVD/BR extras 'interviews with the staff' in their boxed set of Season1.
@KiliianSleipnir 1) You miss the point here. What I meant is ESG usually creates employment quotas for certain groupations, like Black people and sexual minorities. This stance has spilled over into media with the whole "representation" stuff and it just makes no sense related to the setting. Japan generally does have a fairly respectful representation when that's the point of the work and I wouldn't like to see that change for America's obsession over race. 2) Creator wants views, big deal. It's really the sheer thought of possibility that makes me very wary. 3) How's it political? Big Money. It's the Big Money. Hedge funds like Blackrock and Renaissance are behind this whole ESG push, and as everybody knows - money talks. The bigwigs clearly have their minds set on something which we can't even comprehend and they're using media corporations as their means to an end. 4) See 3). I'm not giving my money to a company that's been clearly corrupted against the creator's original purpose. 5) "LE GAG DUB LMAO"... never thought I'd see an unironic Jamie Marchi and Monica Rial defender. These women have a history of being nasty pieces of work, lobbing accusations against men they didn't like. That alone is one reason never to support Funimation/Crunchyroll, and their censorship (dubtitles, mangled dubs) makes me even more wary of ever supporting them. They did it once, doesn't mean they won't do it again no matter how much they deny it. |
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May 11, 8:44 PM
#89
Thread locked for cleaning. This message will be updated once cleaning is completed. |
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