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| "The big jump of the sales projection can largely be attributed to the very favorably received ep.5 (it got universal praises for the story, directing, animation and character arts)" Really? I haven't been following the Japanese reception, but its pretty much gotten hammered by Westerners from what I've seen since everyone is complaining about how its the "obligatory swimsuit episode". For the MAL Episode topics, these are the "Loved it" Percentages: Ep 1: 69.19% Ep 2: 80.13% Ep 3: 66.24% Ep 4: 72.40% Ep 5: 47.04% |
RyanSaotomeMay 7, 2013 10:57 PM
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RyanSaotome said: I did not read the episode discussion (too busy settling down from coming back from the trip) but the praise for the ep.5 in Japan is pretty universal. Of course the swimsuits and how sexy and arousing they are got a lot of attentions, but the story (about the Ghibli-ish feel of learning the ropes in a new environment), the directing (the pacing and how the various scenes get mixed together, for example how it even finds time to show Amy's brother making a fan to benefit him as well as the doctor and the little girl), the animation (the flying kites etc) and the balance of jokes and shedding light on every character (including Chamber, and ep.5 is the first time I saw him mentioned widely as a "moe character"). It is not an exaggeration to say that ep.5 pretty much establishes the series' high opinion by watchers in Japan. "The big jump of the sales projection can largely be attributed to the very favorably received ep.5 (it got universal praises for the story, directing, animation and character arts)" Really? I haven't been following the Japanese reception, but its pretty much gotten hammered by Westerners from what I've seen since everyone is complaining about how its the "obligatory swimsuit episode". As for the reactions by western fans as "obligatory swimsuit episode", all I can say is "can I expect fans in the west to look deeper and in more angles than becoming easily blinded by fan service scenes for their opinion about a show?" |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
RyanSaotome said: "The big jump of the sales projection can largely be attributed to the very favorably received ep.5 (it got universal praises for the story, directing, animation and character arts)" Really? I haven't been following the Japanese reception, but its pretty much gotten hammered by Westerners from what I've seen since everyone is complaining about how its the "obligatory swimsuit episode". For the MAL Episode topics, these are the "Loved it" Percentages: Ep 1: 69.19% Ep 2: 80.13% Ep 3: 66.24% Ep 4: 72.40% Ep 5: 47.04% The reception in the West doesn't matter at all though in the scope of BD/DVD sales. It is fairly obvious that is how they would react, since I think the majority of Westerners only care about "plot" anyway. Stalker shows that the reception in Japan is still good, or then the Amazon ranks would've stayed level or dropped off. |
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Ejc said: I would not say it is "still good" because it is much more than that. After ep.5 was aired on Sunday night, vol.1's Amazon ranking jumped abruptly from #45 to #12 in the next few hours and then stays above #15 even now, at one point breaking new height at #8 on May 7th. In terms of the extent of jump, ep.4, which also received general praise, is just as big (from #65 to #32) but we know how hard it is to move up near the top of ranking. Stalker shows that the reception in Japan is still good, or then the Amazon ranks would've stayed level or dropped off. Ejc said: And too many care only for the overarching plot and tend to ignore the small details, which fans in Japan are good at picking up. For example, they made comments about Amy being a heroine not commonly seen in late night anime these days because she is not just good at her work and taking care of people but also has good manner by wiping clean the "flute" she tried before returning it to Ledo. Observations like this got a lot of discussions in the Japanese forums. For viewers in Japan, the word "good balance" is often used to describe this episode. I am sure that just having sexy swimsuit galore on parade would not lead to such positive reactions from viewers in Japan. The fan service of course helps a lot, but as I argued before it also needs other elements to work as well, be it the directing, the animation or the screenplay, before getting people to really love a show. It is a shame that too many viewers in the west could not appreciate that their standard of what means a good balance and how much fan service is too much is not the only good standard to have. Fans in Japan can have very good reasons to enjoy a show that is beyond blindly falling for fan service.It is fairly obvious that is how they would react, since I think the majority of Westerners only care about "plot" anyway. |
symbvMay 8, 2013 1:49 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Thanks for the Spring estimates symbv and jmal. :P I'm happy that the estimated Top 5 are the ones I'm watching I hope they keep their positions until the actual sales. :) |
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symbv said: Ejc said: I would not say it is "still good" because it is much more than that. After ep.5 was aired on Sunday night, vol.1's Amazon ranking jumped abruptly from #45 to #12 in the next few hours and then stays above #15 even now, at one point breaking new height at #8 on May 7th. In terms of the extent of jump, ep.4, which also received general praise, is just as big (from #65 to #32) but we know how hard it is to move up near the top of ranking.Stalker shows that the reception in Japan is still good, or then the Amazon ranks would've stayed level or dropped off. You are right on that one. I had assumed it was the same recent episode rise as all the other weeks but it is indeed much more difficult to have similar rises into the Top 10 on Amazon. symbv said: Ejc said: And too many care only for the overarching plot and tend to ignore the small details, which fans in Japan are good at picking up. For example, they made comments about Amy being a heroine not commonly seen in late night anime these days because she is not just good at her work and taking care of people but also has good manner by wiping clean the "flute" she tried before returning it to Ledo. Observations like this got a lot of discussions in the Japanese forums. For viewers in Japan, the word "good balance" is often used to describe this episode. I am sure that just having sexy swimsuit galore on parade would not lead to such positive reactions from viewers in Japan. The fan service of course helps a lot, but as I argued before it also needs other elements to work as well, be it the directing, the animation or the screenplay, before getting people to really love a show. It is a shame that too many viewers in the west could not appreciate that their standard of what means a good balance and how much fan service is too much is not the only good standard to have. Fans in Japan can have very good reasons to enjoy a show that is beyond blindly falling for fan service.It is fairly obvious that is how they would react, since I think the majority of Westerners only care about "plot" anyway. That is the amazing thing about the fans in Japan. Sometimes i'm flabbergasted at how much attention to detail they have. For example, that Korean ad in the most recent HenNeko. episode... I didn't even pick that up at all until I rewatched the episode again. I noticed that flute wiping gesture as well by Amy! Yes, I agree with what the viewers in Japan says about the episode being good balance. The swimsuit part wasn't even the main focus of the episode. It was primarily the further development of Ledo's character, with him trying to find work... wouldn't you think? Also I quite liked the character interactions as always this episode. It is indeed a shame that some viewers in the West just can't appreciate all the other elements of an episode. I think some are immediately turned off when they see any sort of fan service. I mean the ones that are just focused on the "plot". |
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| Evangelion on the top, that's not surprising. But wtf, Amnesia still on the list? It's pretty low, but it's there. |
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jmal said: Ejc said: Sometimes i'm flabbergasted at how much attention to detail they have. For example, that Korean ad in the most recent HenNeko. episode... That bit is less "attention to detail" than "vile bigotry", but hey whatever. Yes I know. I heard about the reaction from Japan about that, especially the reception on Amazon regarding the BD. It is the same as that particular Sakurasou episode that ruined the prospected sales it could've had. Personally I found the reaction disgusting... but what can you do? When people are so fixated on what they believe in, it's hard to change their mentality. Look at the moe hater trolls on MAL that post the same thing over and over again on the forums. |
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jmal said: Ejc said: Yes I know. I heard about the reaction from Japan about that, especially the reception on Amazon regarding the BD. It is the same as that particular Sakurasou episode that ruined the prospected sales it could've had. Well, the upside is that I'm not yet convinced the bigots affect sales terribly. Sakurasou was never on track to do much more than it eventually did. That could be likely. People who have bought at least one thing on Amazon can upvote/downvote product reviews. A few people could've rated 1/5 stars (by having it on preorder and cancelling right before release) and then those people could upvote the review all they want until release, and make it seem like a huge deal on Amazon. I recall the number of upvotes for 1/5 star reviews was around 200-300? Much lower than what KokoroCo ever got I think. jmal said: And there's been no appreciable downturn in Henneko's preorders since this either, beyond what I expected to see naturally. Heck it had a pretty nice upward swing on May 5th and has been settling around #120. Better than I thought it would be by this point. I initially expected the bedsheet boost to taper off very quickly and for the show to be like 200-300 right now. (Especially since I feel like the quality of the show has suffered a bit since the initial Azusa arc, but that may just be me - I still like it but it's less likely an import now.) Yes it was quite nice to see it rise like that despite the anger by the vocal minority. I am not sure if their anger was quelled off after the statement on twitter by the LN author stating that the Korean ad will be replaced on the BD. Seems to not be as significant, as the reception for that episode seemed to be favourable based on that upswing. jmal said: So far we haven't seen anything that obviously indicates the vocal minority actually has significant power. Of course, it's as hard to prove they don't as that they do, but I haven't seen anything that is a clear, wholesale rejection/reversal of fortunes for a show after one of these controversies. That is true. I was thinking that maybe it would be more noticeable if it was for a high profile series posed to sell very highly. However, you could argue as much that it was overestimated or something... it is very hard to tell if the effect is huge or miniscule. At least they weren't as big as the KokoroCo incident. |
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| Yeah, HenNeko seems slightly weaker even though I like Hentai Toki more... Hopefully it picks up with next episodes and continues to rank well. Stalker currently predicts 5k and I'd be satisfied with that result. |
Ejc said: My guess is that the Sakurasou controversy perhaps affected 200-300 orders max, which incidentally is the same as the number of upvotes for 1/5 star reviews you mentioned here. Real impact on sales should be very limited, but it is interesting to see how the bigots like to claim victory about it - I actually met a Japanese fan who claimed Sakurasou sold poorly because of the controversy. Talk about delusions. jmal said: That could be likely. People who have bought at least one thing on Amazon can upvote/downvote product reviews. A few people could've rated 1/5 stars (by having it on preorder and cancelling right before release) and then those people could upvote the review all they want until release, and make it seem like a huge deal on Amazon. I recall the number of upvotes for 1/5 star reviews was around 200-300? Much lower than what KokoroCo ever got I think.Well, the upside is that I'm not yet convinced the bigots affect sales terribly. Sakurasou was never on track to do much more than it eventually did. Ejc said: There are some big differences between the Sakurasou incident and the HenNeko one though. Even though HenNeko also showed Korean stuff (in fact twice, a K-Pop poster in ep.3 and then a Samsung phone in ep.4), there was never much expectation that it will become a controversy on Sakurasou's scale because in Sakurasou's case 1) the novel itself states clearly the food that is cooked and it is replaced by a Korean dish 2) the characters even talked in length about this Korean dish 3) quite a number of people think that it goes against the customs in Japan to feed a sick person such dish. On the other hand, the K-pop poster probably already exists and is really displayed in trains in Japan, and the Samsung phone is also being sold by Docomo in Japan, and neither is ever touched upon in the original LN and the details are much less obvious than in Sakurasou where characters actually talked about it, so there is no way to charge any "blatant and glaring change to insert Korean elements" in the case of HenNeko. So the whole thing never develops into any controversy. Of course the twitter by the author of the LN helped a bit too (which is less about remediation in BD than lamenting the difficulty to control every single detail when so much of the animation work has to be contracted out - the ad is not even in the storyboard so basically it is up to the subcontractor to add the details for the background).jmal said: Yes it was quite nice to see it rise like that despite the anger by the vocal minority. I am not sure if their anger was quelled off after the statement on twitter by the LN author stating that the Korean ad will be replaced on the BD. Seems to not be as significant, as the reception for that episode seemed to be favourable based on that upswing.And there's been no appreciable downturn in Henneko's preorders since this either, beyond what I expected to see naturally. Heck it had a pretty nice upward swing on May 5th and has been settling around #120. |
symbvMay 8, 2013 8:38 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: My guess is that the Sakurasou controversy perhaps affected 200-300 orders max, which incidentally is the same as the number of upvotes for 1/5 star reviews you mentioned here. Real impact on sales should be very limited, but it is interesting to see how the bigots like to claim victory about it - I actually met a Japanese fan who claimed Sakurasou sold poorly because of the controversy. Talk about delusions. While this did not exactly take it from big hit status down to 2000 sales, 200-300 units would represent 10% of sales. Not enough to stop it from breaking even but enough to be felt. Would be interesting to know why most people in Japan buy their anime but I'm sure the producers would like to know too. I took part in the recent Bandai Emotion survey and from the questions asked it seems they still don't know either. |
hpulley said: Actually I read this topic "why do you buy anime BD/DVD?" in Japanese forums several times, and from what I gather there are these reasons:Would be interesting to know why most people in Japan buy their anime but I'm sure the producers would like to know too. I took part in the recent Bandai Emotion survey and from the questions asked it seems they still don't know either. - forgot to record so need to buy to get the anime (law-abiding citizens in Japan are still more than one might expect) - the BD has better quality than the TV recording. And then there is the upgrade work done in BD - the desire for collection; the desire to own something physical - the desire for the extras, be it commentaries, extra CD, booklet/manga/novel, or event ticket - the desire to support the title he loves (hope to see a 2nd season) I've never seen anybody saying they buy anime to support a studio though. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: hpulley said: Actually I read this topic "why do you buy anime BD/DVD?" in Japanese forums several times, and from what I gather there are these reasons:Would be interesting to know why most people in Japan buy their anime but I'm sure the producers would like to know too. I took part in the recent Bandai Emotion survey and from the questions asked it seems they still don't know either. - forgot to record so need to buy to get the anime (law-abiding citizens in Japan are still more than one might expect) - the BD has better quality than the TV recording. And then there is the upgrade work done in BD - the desire for collection; the desire to own something physical - the desire for the extras, be it commentaries, extra CD, booklet/manga/novel, or event ticket - the desire to support the title he loves (hope to see a 2nd season) I've never seen anybody saying they buy anime to support a studio though. Thanks. Not too surprising, those reasons aside from the recording one mirror many of my own reasons. The final BD animation quality, extras, collecting and supporting are all reasons why I buy discs. Since I legally stream anime I don't need to record or download it so I never miss it but when I have stayed in Japan in a place without a DVR it was actually quite annoying to have to stay up until the wee hours to watch your anime after getting home from the sakaya... And it was annoying when you traveled if you missed the day when it was on in Nagoya or Osaka when you were used to the Tokyo broadcast schedule. But I guess I phrased my question poorly because I really meant: why do people buy Girls Und Panzer rather than Kotoura-san? What, beyond them forgetting to record Girls Und Panzer but remembering to record Kotoura-san would make them buy one show over the other? Do they prefer Gargantia over Majestic Prince more because of the character designs, the seiyuu, the music, the story, the characters? Is it mostly their own choice? Is it because 2ch or their social group says it would be cool to own one but uncool to own the other one? Is it because they read the original material? Or do many of them discover the original material after the anime comes out or when it is announced? The support for a second season seems a bit dubious. We love to mention 'the line' but some very successful and popular shows like Durarara never got a season two and yet some other shows with very poor sales get a second season... so I would love to know the producer's reasoning too for why they prefer doing a second season over a first season of something new. But they may not give out that sort of information. |
symbv said: Here are the weekly Blu-ray & CD rankings for Apr 29th - May 5th Rank / This week's sales by copies / Cumulative sales / Titles Blu-ray *1, 34,207 347,049 Evangelion: 3.33 You Can (Not) Redo *2, *3,661 *32,071 Girls und Panzer vol.4 *3, *2,866 *24,715 Sword Art Online vol.7 *4, *2,659 **2,659 GJ-bu vol.3 *5, *1,929 *15,386 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vol.4 *6, *1,883 *17,132 Love Live! School Idol Project vol.2 *7, *1,734 *33,030 Girls und Panzer vol.3 *8, *1,378 **8,831 Naruto: Shippuuden Movie 6 - Road to Ninja *9, *1,222 *14,638 Macross FB7: Ginga Rukon - Ore no Uta wo Kike! 10, *1,153 **1,153 Kotoura-san vol.2 (cut-off 1153) Great performance with two volumes that Gup has finally passed the limit of 30,000 copies with each of it! Good well as the location of EVA and Love Live! |
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jmal said: hpulley said: The support for a second season seems a bit dubious. We love to mention 'the line' but some very successful and popular shows like Durarara never got a season two and yet some other shows with very poor sales get a second season... The fact that we can name some exceptions doesn't at all change the truth of the simple statement underlying it: properties that are more profitable are more likely to continue. And one of the main ways an anime becomes profitable is if people buy the DVDs and BDs. Therefore, many of my purchases are done in hopes of seeing sequels get animated. While there are dozens of other factors, it's still a significant factor, and just about the only one we as fans and consumers have any input into. Not disputing that, and Durarara may get another season... one day... just wondering about my question about the decisions to make sequels vs. making new stuff. More from the standpoint of the producers than the customers. Somewhat known quantities in sequels (which seem to drop season after season) vs. unknown but potentially even higher selling new series. As a customer all you can do is support your favorite show in the hopes that more will be made. Then it is out of your hands. |
hpulley said: You mean why someone would choose to buy BD/DVD for one anime work but not for another? I would say that the effect of peer group pressure from 2ch or any social group is minimal because otaku are usually not very social, particularly regarding their hobby. And even for casual fans who buy BD/DVD, they do not often find a lot of people to talk about it. From what I gather, social group almost never features in any discussion about buying or watching anime BD/DVD. So that is out. But I guess I phrased my question poorly because I really meant: why do people buy Girls Und Panzer rather than Kotoura-san? What, beyond them forgetting to record Girls Und Panzer but remembering to record Kotoura-san would make them buy one show over the other? Do they prefer Gargantia over Majestic Prince more because of the character designs, the seiyuu, the music, the story, the characters? Is it mostly their own choice? Is it because 2ch or their social group says it would be cool to own one but uncool to own the other one? Is it because they read the original material? Or do many of them discover the original material after the anime comes out or when it is announced? As for the original material, a lot of bestselling adaptation works with >10k sales indeed come from fans of the original material (e.g. SAO, Bakemonogatari etc). We can see some of the "brand buying" when titles jump to high places right after it starts to be solicited in Amazon but the anime may not even have aired. But it is not limited to the most popular works, it also what happened in the case for MaoYuu, a fairly popular novel, for example. On the other hand, anime can also increase awareness and get people to discover the original material -- this is perhaps even the bigger reason for an adaptation anime to be made than pushing the anime BD/DVD sales. This of course also happens in even well known works like SAO or Bakemonogatari too, but then the thinking is that such magic will work for lesser known works. And back to your original question of why someone chooses to buy the anime of one work over another, I guess the reasons I listed also apply (e.g.to own). I guess your question is more about why one wants to own and collect one series but not another. And you are right in saying that it is a combination of character designs, seiyuu, music, story, directing, animation etc that get people to want to buy. Just being interesting enough to continue watching the whole series on TV is not good enough. There must be something that clicks. And here is where moe elements come into play -- it could be just the one trick to push the appeal above the line where one wants to own it. That said at the end the balance is still necessary - most people would not just want to buy a work that is just a parade of moe elements even though certain moe elements may be needed to be there to get people to the point of buying it. And so at the end story, directing, character designs, music etc all play some roles (which is something that "plot is king and everything else is trivial" thinking that is so commonly found among western fans fails to take into account) And this "balance" is what happening with Gargantia. For Majestic Prince, actually opinion about it has improved somewhat since ep.4-5 as fans start to adjust their expectation and see it as the one show that most properly shows robots in space combat. So it may just see its sales improve with time. hpulley said: This is not dubious at all, as jmal has testified himself. This reason is mentioned in forums often enough that I have to take it seriously. Fans buy the BD/DVD to hope for a 2nd season but whether it will get one of course depends on the publisher at the end. And for titles with poor sales that get a second season, I am sure this has to do with commercial calculation - if they deem there are gain to be had with a second season, like something new to push (like new volumes of the original material) for example, that justifies the cost of making the anime then the chances of the anime being made is higher. And how the BD/DVD sales perform for the first season is one factor for consideration.The support for a second season seems a bit dubious. We love to mention 'the line' but some very successful and popular shows like Durarara never got a season two and yet some other shows with very poor sales get a second season... so I would love to know the producer's reasoning too for why they prefer doing a second season over a first season of something new. But they may not give out that sort of information. |
symbvMay 8, 2013 12:14 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Sorry, 'dubious' was a poor word choice. I should have said high sales of discs alone do not necessarily guarantee a second season, nor do poor sales preclude one. I certainly don't mean to discourage anyone from supporting a show they like. I definitely encourage people to support their favorite shows. |
| Just to show how overwhelmingly positive fans in Japan think of Gargantia ep.5, here is the voting result after it was aired on Nico Nico Douga. Here 1 means LOVE IT (it is the opposite of the western way when a larger number means better) and we are seeing 94% voting "1". And the number of viewers were over 25,000 (you can see the number at the lower right corner), most of whom can be assumed to have voted (since it is so easy to vote). Granted Nico Douga viewers do not represent the whole fandom in Japan - in fact there is certain mutual antimony feeling between Nico Douga people and 2ch people, but it should provide some idea about the almost universal high opinion about this episode that I mentioned earlier.  |
symbvMay 8, 2013 1:18 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Predictable sales for Evangelion. Though I am not sure how can Girls and Panzer sell above 30k but Zetsuen no Tempest can't even break 10k. I did watch the first episode of Girls and Panzer but that was quite boring. |
symbv said: - forgot to record so need to buy to get the anime (law-abiding citizens in Japan are still more than one might expect) I've never really thought about this before, but are late-night anime available at video rental places? (Are there even still video rental places in Japan? They've all but died out at least in this area of the US, but I can imagine that video rental would still have somewhat of a market in Japan...) A lot of my fandoms are kids' anime like Pokemon and Ojamajo, so I've been familiar with the concept of rental DVD's/VHS's for those, but... |
symbv said: And even for casual fans who buy BD/DVD, they do not often find a lot of people to talk about it. From what I gather, social group almost never features in any discussion about buying or watching anime BD/DVD. So that is out. You might think so, but I've come off an episode that I've loved on more than one occasion onto the episode discussion threads to see it being torn to pieces... which has made me start thinking more critically about said episode and revising that "loved" down to merely "enjoyed". I'm sure there are plenty of other people who have the same thing on other forums, maybe without even realising it is happening. And then there's the factors of watching shows in the first place. There are many things that I simply wouldn't have watched had I not kept hearing good things about them from people whose opinions I respect. Love Live, for example. Granted, even were I someone who regularly imported from Japan I still wouldn't have bought it, but there will be plenty of people out there who try stuff they wouldn't have otherwise looked at, just because other people are saying good things about it, and then end up liking it. The impact of social factors may not be something that comes to mind when someone says why they buy a series that they've enjoyed enough to purchase, but it's probably by far the biggest factor. Indeed it could probably, single-handedly, make the difference between, say, something that sells 5k and something that sells 50k. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| By coincidence, Crunchyroll just interviewed Bones' Toshihiro Kawamoto: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-802661/sakura-con-interviews-toshihiro-kawamoto-reki-kawahara-eir-aoi-luna-haruna Two questions ended up answering my question about sequels and cours: Q Given that you've worked with some prolific series like Gundam, City Hunter, and then Venus Wars was your project. Were there any fears or worries you had about working with established series? A No particular concerns; but there is a strong way of thought in the industry in terms of a business standpoint. It's easier to be successful with known properties, so there is sort of a tendency to prefer sequels over original works, if they're already known. Q Given that, are there any series you haven't worked with yet that you want to? A Sequels, hmm, that's a really difficult question. I think from a sales or a business success standpoint, it would really make sense to do a sequel to Cowboy Bebop. But that would violate the director's policy to create that, so that's a bit difficult. Instead of existing works, creating some kind of new or original work that had some sort of long-term popularity and long-term series, of course that would be great for our company to have some kind of new, original popularity with long-term popularity. There was a tendency in the past to create a series in episodes of 26 episodes, they would call "two-packs". The tendency now is more towards 13-episodes, or "one-pack" series. So there's kind of a difficult situation continuing in which we will create 13 episodes of a series and then make the decision of whether to create an additional 13 episodes. So it's getting a bit more difficult. |
kuuderes_shadow said: I am sure that social factors played a part. My original statement is more directed towards a narrower situation of social factors, namely peer group pressures about buying a title or not buying because it is cool or uncool to do so. The thing is outside of the Sales Thread in 2ch, the subject of buying anime BD/DVD is seldom raised, much less discussed. So there is really no such social pressure about any PURCHASE decision. And another point I meant to state is that fans do not really talk much about what discs they own. So in terms of buying and owning, I do not really see too much of social peer group pressure at work. Of course as you said, people may have their opinion influenced by the general reception from other fans and people may take up a show just because it got so popular (good example would be GirlPan). All these happen before a fan reaches the point of deciding whether to buy the discs of a show. And I would not really agree that this social factor is "the biggest factor" of purchase decision unless you define that "social factor" as anything that affects personal preference and awareness that comes from the popularity of the work among other people, and even that I would still say that because at the end a person decides if he likes a work mostly by him watching the work himself and reacting to it in love/dislike feeling, personal factor should still be a much more important factor for someone's purchase decision.The impact of social factors may not be something that comes to mind when someone says why they buy a series that they've enjoyed enough to purchase, but it's probably by far the biggest factor. Indeed it could probably, single-handedly, make the difference between, say, something that sells 5k and something that sells 50k. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
bippo said: The thing is, outside of the Sales thread in 2ch, you do not see that much of frequent talks about buying and owning BD/DVD. There may be occasional mentions in blogs of BD/DVD the blog writer buy and sometimes we see some posts about some amazing collection some people have but that's about it. Even in the sales thread there is not really "talks" per se - more like people posting the BDs they bought and others react by posting some short greetings like "Panzer Vor!" for GirlPan disc bought. Of course if it is some private talks between fans that are made outside of public space then it's something else.And the talk about buying blurays/dvds and owning them are absolutely not limited to one thread in 2ch at all. The anime thread in 2ch poverty is just the tip of the iceberg. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Oricon Daily Top 20 BD/Top 30 DVD Rankings for Apr 8. DVD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **2 **6 **2 *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **5 *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 6 *** **7 *23 *** *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *17 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *27 *28 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | ROAD TO NINJA -NARUTO THE MOVIE- BD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **1 **2 **1 *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **1 **3 *** *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** **3 **5 *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *18 *20 *14 *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 2 **7 *12 *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 4 *17 *** *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 4 *** *** *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | SAO 7 *** *16 *20 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 3 *** **5 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Minami-ke ~Okawari~ BOX |
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| ^ So 3 weeks at top of BD sales ranking for Evangelion. I wonder if this also happened for 1.11 and 2.22... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| As a slight reversion of topic, if there are people who buy things because they want to see a sequel, would that mean that something that is known to have zero chance at getting said sequel would inherently sell less than the same thing would have sold were a sequel a real possibility? |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
jmal said: symbv said: Thank you very much, jmal, symbv. They are even more detailed than what I'm looking for. While I know that they are still going to change a lot, at least I know that at least they could be a quite representative data for sales expectation :) Some short comments from me : 1. 20-45k for Kyoujin is a good thing! I'm glad that good anime are selling like hotcakes. 2. Aside from Kyoujin, my (and many other) most favorite would be Gargantia. I'm actually quite uncertain if it could has a good sales performance, but it seems that it will get what it deserves. 10k is not spectacular, but still good :) 3. My other favorites such as Railgun and Hataraku are also performing well :D 4. Oregairu is my sleeper hit of the season and I think I should be happy that it at least reach the manabi line, I was afraid that it will only perform as "air anime". Kinda curious about it's performance after the drama start to hit, though (Well, in the end the LN has a boost so I think it should be a moderate success. 5. LOL aku no hana. |
| Oricon Daily Top 20 BD/Top 30 DVD Rankings for Apr 9. DVD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 *** *** *** **1 *** *** *** | -- | Initial D Fifth Stage 5 **2 **6 **2 **5 *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **5 *18 *27 *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 6 *** **7 *23 *** *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *17 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *27 *28 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | ROAD TO NINJA -NARUTO THE MOVIE- BD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **1 **2 **1 **3 *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **1 **3 **9 *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** **3 **5 *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *18 *20 *14 *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 2 **7 *12 *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 4 *17 *** *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 4 *** *** *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | SAO 7 *** *16 *20 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 3 *** **5 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Minami-ke ~Okawari~ BOX |
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| Just 2 anime on the top 20 blu-rays for yesterday? That's unusual. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
kuuderes_shadow said: Just 2 anime on the top 20 blu-rays for yesterday? That's unusual. That's what I thought when I posted yesterday's ranks earlier lol. Looking at the Top 10 BDs on the Oricon website... I see 7 non-anime releases with a release date of 2013-05-10. Perhaps there are more of those in the 11~20 ranks, which pushed the majority of anime outside the Top 20, or anime just happened to be weaker yesterday. |
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| Still amazed by Girls und Panzer. |
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| Was about to sleep, but then I saw that the Top 100 BD list has been posted up. Source: http://www3.atchs.jp/test/read.cgi/urisure/1358138075/40 2013/05/13付 BDTOP100 (集計期間：04/29～05/05) **1 **1 34,207 347,049 **2 ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:Q EVANGELION:3.33 YOU CAN (NOT) REDO. **8 **2 *3,661 *32,071 **2 ガールズ＆パンツァー 4 *10 **3 *2,866 *24,715 **2 ソードアート・オンライン 7 (完全生産限定版) *12 --- *2,659 **2,659 **1 GJ部 Vol.3 *15 **5 *1,929 *15,386 **2 ジョジョの奇妙な冒険 Vol.4 Blu-ray <初回生産限定版> *16 **4 *1,883 *17,132 **2 ラブライブ！2【初回限定版】 *18 *49 *1,734 *33,030 **7 ガールズ＆パンツァー 3 *23 *11 *1,378 **8,831 **2 ROAD TO NINJA -NARUTO THE MOVIE- (完全生産限定版) *28 **6 *1,222 *14,638 **2 マクロスFB7 オレノウタヲキケ！ 初回限定版 *29 --- *1,153 **1,153 **1 TVアニメーション「琴浦さん」その2【Blu-ray特装版】 *30 *47 *1,101 **8,111 **3 フランケンウィニー DVD+ブルーレイセット *32 *13 *1,025 **8,314 **2 リトルバスターズ！ 5 【初回生産限定版】 *33 *51 *1,003 180,313 110 ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:序 (EVANGELION:1.11) *35 *12 **,883 **8,192 **2 氷菓 Blu-ray限定版 第11巻 *38 --- **,825 ***,825 **1 イクシオン・サーガDT 6 *39 *63 **,812 463,727 *63 ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版：破 EVANGELION:2.22 YOU CAN (NOT) ADVANCE. *40 *14 **,804 **7,785 **2 To LOVEる -とらぶる-ダークネス 第5巻【初回生産限定版】 *44 *86 **,674 *94,938 **7 機動戦士ガンダムUC 6 初回限定版 *45 *16 **,630 **5,654 **2 ひだまりスケッチ×ハニカム 5 (完全生産限定版) *45 *15 **,580 **6,095 **2 ビビッドレッド・オペレーション 2 (完全生産限定版) *53 100 **,500 *29,714 **7 機動戦士ガンダムUC 6 *59 *22 **,467 **3,962 **2 トータル・イクリプス 第8巻 初回限定盤 *60 *90 **,464 *48,159 **5 猫物語(黒) 第二巻／つばさファミリー(下) (完全生産限定版) *62 --- **,448 **1,374 **3 図書館戦争 Blu-ray BOX (劇場版映画公開記念パッケージ) *64 *30 **,439 **2,585 **2 さらば宇宙戦艦ヤマト 愛の戦士たち *66 *95 **,435 *26,861 **7 ラブライブ！ 1 【初回限定版】 *70 *44 **,413 **2,183 **2 マギ 5 (完全生産限定版) *72 *46 **,401 **2,116 **2 D.C.Ⅲ～ダ・カーポⅢ～ [ブルーレイ初回限定特別版] 【2】 *74 *52 **,397 *12,415 **3 中二病でも恋がしたい！ 5 【Blu-ray】 *76 133 **,380 *25,948 *11 宇宙戦艦ヤマト2199 4 *77 124 **,370 *64,506 **7 『魔法少女リリカルなのはThe MOVIE 2nd A's』超特装版【完全受注生産】BD *78 *94 **,368 **2,961 **3 フランケンウィニー ブルーレイ(2枚組/デジタルコピー付き) *80 *32 **,362 **2,439 **2 俺の彼女と幼馴染が修羅場すぎる 3 (完全生産限定版) *81 *24 **,350 **3,473 **2 ぷちます! -プチ・アイドルマスター- コレクターズエディションVol.2 【Blu-ray】 *84 --- **,346 **3,812 **3 モノノ怪+怪～ayakashi～化猫 Blu-ray BOX *87 *23 **,339 **3,612 **2 みなみけ ただいま2 *94 *34 **,312 **2,344 **2 ぷちます！ -プチ・アイドルマスター- リミテッドエディションVol.2 【Blu-ray】 *95 160 **,306 *26,112 *17 宇宙戦艦ヤマト2199 3 *99 *60 **,298 **6,662 **3 PSYCHO-PASS サイコパスVOL.5 Blu-ray 100 151 **,297 *27,786 *23 宇宙戦艦ヤマト2199 1 |
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| ^ It came quite late this week,don't you think? Funny to see so many Yamato 2199... And Love Live v1 is in the list again... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| don't have time to translate right now but Frankenweenie should be skipped LOL |
symbv said: ^ It came quite late this week,don't you think? Funny to see so many Yamato 2199... And Love Live v1 is in the list again... Yeah, it is usually posted around midnight Friday, but last week it was up at midday Thursday. Other weeks it was up even later haha. Still charting for Yamato I see yeah. Love Live! may continue on charting as it seems to keep finding its way back into the Top 100 on Amazon and this week and next week are dead weeks too. |
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| Oricon Daily Top 20 BD/Top 30 DVD Rankings for Apr 10. GaruPan v3 is out of stock on Amazon by the way. Only stock left over is from resellers. DVD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 *** *** *** **1 **2 *** *** | -- | Initial D Fifth Stage 5 **2 **6 **2 **5 **3 *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *27 *28 *** *** *22 *** *** | -- | ROAD TO NINJA -NARUTO THE MOVIE- *** **5 *18 *27 *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 6 *** **7 *23 *** *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *17 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 BD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **1 **2 **1 **3 **1 *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **1 **3 **9 **5 *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *** *** *** **7 *** *** | -- | Toshokan Sensou BOX *** **3 **5 *** *12 *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *18 *20 *14 *** *15 *** *** | -- | Love Live! 2 **7 *12 *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 4 *17 *** *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 4 *** *** *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | SAO 7 *** *16 *20 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 3 *** **5 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Minami-ke ~Okawari~ BOX |
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| ^ After the rush of non-anime titles yesterday that drowned out the anime titles, finally the more robust anime titles came back to life LOL |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Raigrex said: I'm new to these BD/DVD release so how long does it usually take for them to release each volume of anime? Each volume is usually released on a monthly basis, unless they are delayed for whatever reason (such as GaruPan as a recent example) or they are intentionally released in a weird way (Magi v2 was released 1 week after v1 for example, before it went back to the regular 1/month thing). OVAs, movies, basically anything not a normal TV anime... have different release time periods. symbv said: ^ After the rush of non-anime titles yesterday that drowned out the anime titles, finally the more robust anime titles came back to life LOL That sure looks like it. I guess some of those non-anime titles may have not been that strong at all... since they didn't do entirely well on their actual release days. Imagine if no anime charted on one day, lol. I wonder if that has ever happened before? |
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