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| One of the best animes , loved it , especially the psychological side , trully briliant ! |
| Yup, one of the masterpieces of the earlier generation( dont want to mess around a lot with whys and hows, just leave it at that :S), but did I enjoy it? mixed opinions there... The problem with this certain anime series is that it tries to show itself differently then other anime series, in another light, as a form of art and yet stay in the part of entertainment industry, it tries to stay as light as other anime series yet "dark", "gritty" and philosophical as other branches of art and this is what ticks off a lot of people( me self included). But on the other hand I also appreciated it and its THAT part of the anime that makes it special, different and ultimately GOOD. It evokes emotion, opinions and differences(in opinions, debates) AND THAT IS CORE meaning of art, did it succeed? You tell me...Leave the budget story away, it DID affect the anime, but its not the sole pivot point, don't divert attention to it, I cant count how many art pieces were made without budget alone... The fact that it scaped the culture is a proof of its success as anime and of course the ability to generate so much attention and opinions. Some may not appreciate it because that isn't what they are looking in ANIME rather they seek to be entertained with only "primitive" (nothing bad about it) show. Don't get me wrong, I also like watching Pacific Rim, Batman and the likes, but THIS isn't that kind of entertainment. So don't take shi+ on it because you didn't understand it or didn't like the ending, in a way it is also an art and therefore it doesn't serve the sole reason of entertaining, some people watch it because ART is entertaining to them.(That would be the problem of subjectivity) :S I have already made an essay, sry about that, but this sort of explains the ambiguity of the ending and portrays my understanding of NGE and its ending, feel free to disagree because constructive criticism is always welcome :) |
| Episode 26 is very strange,the same as 25,but they could replaced those 2 episodes with only those 5mins with school (that we see in the ep26),that would be a better endind,or at least an alternative ending :D |
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AivanK said: Watch END OF EVANGELION. You wont be disappointed.Episode 26 is very strange,the same as 25,but they could replaced those 2 episodes with only those 5mins with school (that we see in the ep26),that would be a better endind,or at least an alternative ending :D |
| Well ... so the moral of the story which started off as aliens vs robots was "just be yourself" ? That was just ... I don't even know. I love psychological things but this kinda just felt like a waste of two episodes, it seems they should have just ended it on episode 24 which I loved. Rei's voice in that other reality bit was horrible. I guess I'll have to watch End of Evangelion tomorrow if I can find it online and see what that's like. |
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| The emperor has no clothes. You can always root out who's being pretentious by their responses to Eva's haphazardly assembled faux-philosophical ending. |
Jotaro_Kujo said: The emperor has no clothes. You can always root out who's being pretentious by their responses to Eva's haphazardly assembled faux-philosophical ending. Im detecting a pattern here, its like yo' dawg we made pretentious response to a pretentious response... Does it bother you that someone had a good impression of NGE? Where is the reason and some REAL argument to hold the water? Why so much unreasonable hate? Offended? In all seriousness you aren't contributing to the topic, only coming off as an even bigger pretentious azz by trying to insult anyone that has left any sort of comment/view on NGE...while at the same time proving that you are just a simpleton without giving out any sort of argument or anything to hold your claim. Hmph....Hypocrite much? The "pretentious ones" at least said something concrete unlike your quite short and unexplained "faux philosophical" which still doesn't make up for a base to insult the thread contributors(indirectly) or as discussion of NGE ending(or NGE at all). Dunno!? frustrated? Thats the only conclusion I can get from your statement; building up your ego by insulting others... Mate go flamebaiting/trolling somewhere else... Cant wait for you to reply, so I can see another smart-ass comment(maybe?)... Edit: BTW it IS philosophical, no matter how you turn it around, if you still insist its just faux and that I'm just one of the "pretenders", *sigh* go back to school or at least go wiki what philosophy is, it should explain it in details The problem is you are messing it up with being cheesy, quirky and/or surreal(which one is your problem and why?) Thus we can still argue that its "haphazardly assembled"(wanna use funds as an excuse?). The Child has no clothes, or just another naked plebeian following the example ? ;) cheers |
NannermanAug 22, 2013 8:57 PM
Nannerman said: Im detecting a pattern here, its like yo' dawg we made pretentious response to a pretentious response... Does it bother you that someone had a good impression of NGE? Where is the reason and some REAL argument to hold the water? Why so much unreasonable hate? Offended? In all seriousness you aren't contributing to the topic, only coming off as an even bigger pretentious azz by trying to insult anyone that has left any sort of comment/view on NGE...while at the same time proving that you are just a simpleton without giving out any sort of argument or anything to hold your claim. Hmph....Hypocrite much? The "pretentious ones" at least said something concrete unlike your quite short and unexplained "faux philosophical" which still doesn't make up for a base to insult the thread contributors(indirectly) or as discussion of NGE ending(or NGE at all). Dunno!? frustrated? Thats the only conclusion I can get from your statement; building up your ego by insulting others... Mate go flamebaiting/trolling somewhere else... Cant wait for you to reply, so I can see another smart-ass comment(maybe?)... Edit: BTW it IS philosophical, no matter how you turn it around, if you still insist its just faux and that I'm just one of the "pretenders", *sigh* go back to school or at least go wiki what philosophy is, it should explain it in details The problem is you are messing it up with being cheesy, quirky and/or surreal(which one is your problem and why?) Thus we can still argue that its "haphazardly assembled"(wanna use funds as an excuse?). The Child has no clothes, or just another naked plebeian following the example ? ;) cheers Read more at http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=9268&show=320#XQPiJccj2WHO1haQ.99 No shit I was trolling you fucking idiot. I've never seen a wall of text like that with hardly anything witty or insightful said. Not that I really expected it from a brainless Naruto/Angel Beats fan... On topic, no I wouldn't actually dismiss anything as pretentious right off the bat. You are correct that that would be pretentious, since the word pretentious is bandied about quite often. Eva was the first anime I watched (if you don't count DB and Pokemon) and I used to like it. I had seen it years ago... but now I see it for what it is. You think a montage of images slapped together is philosophical? You stupid impressionable fuck, most of the so-called psychology is juvenile and lifted straight off a freshman text. They ran out of budget and had to save face, so they abandoned what little narrative coherence they had and made that infamous ending so that chumps could lap it up and pretend to be deep. That is pretentious. If you want something that is truly philosophical and isn't pretentious (even though some would claim that it is) check out Ghost in the Shell or Akira. Edit: I also find it deliciously ironic that you would accuse me of following the example, since if that were the case I would praise NGE to the heavens and accuse any detractors of not being deep enough to understand it (which I've seen all too often). Keep on bleating though if that kind of thing suits you. |
Jotaro_KujoAug 23, 2013 1:35 AM
Jotaro_Kujo said: Nannerman said: Im detecting a pattern here, its like yo' dawg we made pretentious response to a pretentious response... Does it bother you that someone had a good impression of NGE? Where is the reason and some REAL argument to hold the water? Why so much unreasonable hate? Offended? In all seriousness you aren't contributing to the topic, only coming off as an even bigger pretentious azz by trying to insult anyone that has left any sort of comment/view on NGE...while at the same time proving that you are just a simpleton without giving out any sort of argument or anything to hold your claim. Hmph....Hypocrite much? The "pretentious ones" at least said something concrete unlike your quite short and unexplained "faux philosophical" which still doesn't make up for a base to insult the thread contributors(indirectly) or as discussion of NGE ending(or NGE at all). Dunno!? frustrated? Thats the only conclusion I can get from your statement; building up your ego by insulting others... Mate go flamebaiting/trolling somewhere else... Cant wait for you to reply, so I can see another smart-ass comment(maybe?)... Edit: BTW it IS philosophical, no matter how you turn it around, if you still insist its just faux and that I'm just one of the "pretenders", *sigh* go back to school or at least go wiki what philosophy is, it should explain it in details The problem is you are messing it up with being cheesy, quirky and/or surreal(which one is your problem and why?) Thus we can still argue that its "haphazardly assembled"(wanna use funds as an excuse?). The Child has no clothes, or just another naked plebeian following the example ? ;) cheers Read more at http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=9268&show=320#XQPiJccj2WHO1haQ.99 No shit I was trolling you fucking idiot. I've never seen a wall of text like that with hardly anything witty or insightful said. Not that I really expected it from a brainless Naruto/Angel Beats fan... On topic, no I wouldn't actually dismiss anything as pretentious right off the bat. You are correct that that would be pretentious, since the word pretentious is bandied about quite often. Eva was the first anime I watched (if you don't count DB and Pokemon) and I used to like it. I had seen it years ago... but now I see it for what it is. You think a montage of images slapped together is philosophical? You stupid impressionable fuck, most of the so-called psychology is juvenile and lifted straight off a freshman text. They ran out of budget and had to save face, so they abandoned what little narrative coherence they had and made that infamous ending so that chumps could lap it up and pretend to be deep. That is pretentious. If you want something that is truly philosophical and isn't pretentious (even though some would claim that it is) check out Ghost in the Shell or Akira. Edit: I also find it deliciously ironic that you would accuse me of following the example, since if that were the case I would praise NGE to the heavens and accuse any detractors of not being deep enough to understand it (which I've seen all too often). Keep on bleating though if that kind of thing suits you. You lost all your credibility with the first post, had the chance to fix it, failed...hard... Now its quite obvious who you are and why you are here, just an immature fukwit of self proclaimed adult with 8th grader syndrome that likes to act smart, builds up ego with insulting and dislikes anything that his brain cant handle. The thing I was bothered with is that you wasted all your vocab on 2-sentence-fail-comment without being constructive at all( and it seems it continued, again, hypocrite much? ). It's obvious you have been watching entirely different anime series or you are just ignorant to the fact it is philosophical( even the part you try so hard to denounce(the montage part), did you read my first comment at all?) Yes, the problem is that THAT montage of slapped together images IS philosophical, didn't you listen to inner monologues(struggle of ego?)? But not to argue about philosophy and its existence in NGE , cuz you clearly wont get it in million years. But very well, lets say you made a valid point of them failing the ending, you managed only to scratch up a few things that bother you with ending, the most original part of the anime, so I wont have much to argue about. Your comment on its philosophy basically denounces whole anime based on visual impact, which is pretty immature and I still wonder why we are arguing about stuff like this. The next point you bring out is the cheesiness of psychology, which is easily refuted by stating that it is authors decision to make thins more simple and audible to the audiences that include people like you, which had quite the counter effect and made it too simple for you(despite you showing your clear misunderstanding of the series and ending, but oh well, cant wont and don't have time to reeducate you). I think it should have been even more suggestive so the likes of you wouldn't have the chance to comment on psychology which is also apparent even with your bashing comments. The second fact is that it touches a lot of psychological themes(quite obviously) and to some point discusses it, which clearly isnt enough for you and you need PURE philosophical novel/movie, but I fear that it wont be enough, since you cant even handle the more (claimed by yourself) simple piece of art. Did they run out of budget? Prolly. Does that bother you? Should we antagonize all low budget pieces of art then? Exemplify Michael Bay movies? Cuz thats the direction you are heading too...Ofc they had to make budget cuts, but they didn't make their series any less worthy of praise, they tried to appear more mature and wise by being original and at the same time tried being thrifty for a change. It apparently impacted viewing experience for most of the people, but if you cant get past that, then I don't have much of an good opinion of you(like there was any at the start...). The point you can argue is Did they pretend? Or did they actually purposely raise some questions, opinions, thoughts and/or discussions ? I think the answer is quite obvious, even if you call them pretentious, they are still there...the opinions are biches, right? Anyways by your last claim I can also call out Camus for being obvious and shallow in his literary art for not using MORE words and/or complex analogies and/or characters to prove his point. Does it make him less valuable and my existence more valuable? NO I only come off as a pretentious ass like yourself. Am I coming off as a "detractor", maybe, I think not, but cant live solely on my input, right? This is why larger discussions are more fruitful compared to mutual skull bashing we initiated. Now onto the part you obviously like the most, irrational low-brain-capacity-insults, which I hate myself for, since I'm bringing myself down to the likes of your level. I can see you are quite simple minded since you cant live with "what little coherence they had and abandoned", but apparently your younger self could(or are you just watching cuz...MECHA? herp a derp)? I could also easily call you out as an impressionable moron for liking GitS and Akira because of its popularity/infamy on the same principle you used, but I wont stoop THAT low, don't worry. Dont start me on insulting people based on having favorite childhood series and being called out for that, should I call you DB/DBZ moron in the same way then? You dislike cheesy heart wrenching series like AB? Does it hurt your sissy feelings that some random stranger on the interwebz does? I mean why bother getting personal without even trying to look farther then the cover of the book? And finding obvious stuff ironical is pretty much the proof of your simple-mindedness and the fact you missed an obvious analogy that alludes to your pretentiousness; to answer in a metaphor: you just ended up being another of the plebs that was so jealous he made his own beautiful cloak of nothingness, you had the chance to be THE child and actually show some substance on your "thick" skin(get it? :D). This all just further proves me of you being just a simpleton, try harder and be more original...You still have a chance not to come off as a puffed-up-ego smartass. Thanks on recommendations BTW, I already planned to watch GitS but for some reason completely forgot about it, I know I quite liked the soundtrack I found and firmly decided to watch it...and yeah :/ life happened. Dunno about Akira tough, if I have time I might check it out And also thanks for at least trying to have proper discussion going on :) EDIT: Oh... and I'm more of a manga guy, so don't judge me a lot based on that, I too have some qualms over the Naruto anime(hell even the manga) but its an irreplaceable part of childhood... and I do quite like brainless fun anime too, I know :/ everyone has their own vice |
NannermanAug 23, 2013 6:02 AM
tuiddlestix said: Eva certainly is deep, but it is nowhere near philosophical. The reason for its deepness doesn't come from the series itself, but investigating the author in context to the series. You people still dont discern what the term philosophical means and Id say quite the opposite: that Eva certainly tries to be deep(being shallow here and there) and gripes on some serious existential questions(philosophy), but it falls a tiny bit short because it tries to be a fun-mecha anime at the same time. Even if you include the fact that it intentionally changes mid-show into more psychological/philosophical and less fun/mecha anime, you cant shake off the core that was built and the audience that connected with it, this is one of the reasons the popularity bloomed later rather then at the time of release. The reason its shallow in places, was what you found as a reason for its complexity/deepness, the author is a wannabe-thinker/artist...simple as that. The reason for NGE deepness completely lies in series itself, authors connection/dissonance with the series(only his understanding of the world at the time did something) has to do very little with it, you can only use his public statements to disprove of comments like Jotaro_Kujos, like for the example: Jotaro says that the ending/series is faux philosophical, whilst Anno stated his intention for NGE. The content in NGE makes you feel the age when it was made, making it sort of biographical/autobiographical(maybe why you felt the author is THAT important?), it makes you feel the Angst of that time, that corporate-ruled-world fear, that anxiety of unknown and new, sort of scary utilitarian society where individuality/life only matters on surface, but is in reality disposable. Thats where the "shallow" lies, that lack of insight and an art that is ONLY contemporary, which is why it loses some value over time(on the other hand gains some too tough), much like the original ALIEN . We can argue to which extent does the philosophical part go to, but its existence is undeniable, the ending is the proof at the very least that NGE dabbles in such stuff. |
But...but...it does.... The whole ending starts with the premise of people being lost, destructive and reason less and ends with the conclusion that the H.Sapiens is such a creature that build themselves(EGO) by interacting even if it hurts and feels dumb/reasonless, which the last message quite clearly supports by saying BE YOURSELF or in other words dont be afraid of human contact and fight the judgmental society for your own piece of the pie(I mean a clear message for a child show), the process of concluding is also shown in the form of oh-so-hated photo-montage and other suggestive scenes(like the inside of their mind/ego). What you are talking about is deterioration of psyche AND decline of the mind (mind the difference), which is also done, but as a sort of a side-show/side dish(not a primary target, see the part where I comment Annos statement) or better said: a build up to conclusion, some meat to the bone. Its just the part of psychological characterization of Shinji and others that make the conclusion available/possible. I can easily understand why you misunderstood me(lulz :S) because I went a bit too deep on the reason why/how the author influenced the show(whut? lol? influenced? but he made it, herp a derp :D JK don't take this particular part in parentheses too seriously....I hate being obvious) thanks for the reply |
| @ Nannerman What the fuck... I swear I replied a few hours ago, but my previous post isn't showing up. Anyway... you seem like a cool dude, so I apologize for trolling you. You were considerate at the end there, which kinda sucks for me cause I'm bored and I wanted to flame you instead. Don't take it personally, it's the internet and I don't really give a fuck otherwise. You wanted me to address the points specifically; I'll start with NGE's strengths. I appreciate its characterization and I think it is done excellently, not just with the main leads but in the side characters as well. You have Kaji (troubled beneath his carefree demeanor), Ritsuko (wants to be different from her mother but still sleeps with Gendo), and Fuyutsuki (loves Yui but works for Gendo). So I have no complaints there. But you're ignoring instances when things were placed by the creators merely to look cool by their own admissions. The religious symbolism was "cool" to Japanese viewers; that's all there is to it, but yet fanboys have written whole essays on its meaning. THAT's what I mean by pretentious. Words from scientific concepts are thrown in, like Terminal Dogma (from molecular biology) and Dirac sea (from quantum physics). But if you understood what those terms mean, you would know that they make absolutely no sense when used in the context of the show. Again, only to look cool. THAT is pretentious. The last point, which was our original contention, concerns the ending. You keep saying it is philosophical. I'm a math major but I've taken a few philosophy courses. You don't have to tell me if something is philosophical; I will generally recognize it. Tell me, what concepts did the show invoke? Be SPECIFIC. Can you name the concepts/ideas, and can you offer up an analysis on how the concept was addressed and explored? For example; in Ghost in the Shell you have the brain in a vat idea; in Dark City (a movie) you have Plato's allegory of the cave. The burden of proof is on you, but you've not demonstrated any philosophical insight on NGE's part. If you fail to do this, then I will assume that you're only going with the crowd and are incapable of offering up an objective analysis. Cite your claims; thus far you haven't done so. I've discussed this at length with hardcore Eva fans who've offered me much more substantial arguments. |
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Here again I disagree, their train of thought is chaotic, most of the time, irrational reactions, yet understandable, but still irrational from our/normal standpoint. I didn't say at any one point that characters themselves are involved in philosophizing except the obvious contender: Shinji, which is and should be quite obvious, he is quite literately showing the whole process of "philosophizing". Yet you are also true when you say that it leaves a lot upon the reader, but the way you put it sounds like NGE by itself is just a heap of scrabmled mess of thought material. While it also does philosophize on its own and as I said, it mainly does so with existence of Ego and humans, main concern of philosophers/humans since earliest days of culture/humanity. |
Firstly I thank you for your generous :P and quite mild(this time, hue hue hue :D) I want to say that I agree that sometimes producers/creators overdo it with trying to look cool, but that's the thing, you will see that stuff more often the more older you get, eg. the youngsters hopping on the communist-hype train and listening to their reasoning, or when you see "scientists" spewing utter bullshi+, there will always be stuff like that...And you make quite a valid point there with Dirac(Dogma and Christianity not so much, since its only naming and holds basically no importance to plot, there are dime a dozen shows that use mythology "irresponsibly", eg. Norse mythology in SWO...) but still it aint much of an impact on quality at least not deserving a -1 to the score, and still you have to consider that Anno intended this anime to be a sort of sober-up-experience for children, which basically means that I'm admiring a children s show :/ and that we are seriously discussing over it :S, but nvm....we do weird stuff all the time... On the topic of "philsophicality" of this series (heeeeeeey I made a new word), while it doesn't hold any famous/easy to recognize philosophical anecdote/concept/allusion/idea like Camus Sisyphus or aforementioned Platos infamous game of shadows(quite liked it when I encountered it the first time, goes for Camus too, gave me a tiny bit of will/inspiration: +1 to Will, not so much with Plato as he pretty much nailed the society for what it is) . And the reason I say this is because you don't need one concrete idea to be shown to be seen as smart/deep/philosophical , that's what metaphors are for, I mean quite literally can the series as a whole, be seen as one giant metaphor and quite a lot of people tried to show it that way, some came out as asshat shit-pulling pretentious assholes. Thats the point, you can take out so many lessons or so called philosophical ideas by yourself without being truly invalid or incorrect and still not sound as an pretentious ass, ofc as long as you state it on valid arguments and solid foot ground, hell , you might even pull out something entirely different then what the author wanted you to or planned to as long as you sound coherent and logical(heeeeeeey quantum mechanics, it sounds weird and illogical(TO MOST) but isnt, see :D closer to your field of study?). But concretely looking for some kind of typical piece of philosophy will result in you finding some existential questions and usual human how/who/why to the life. If you still insist that you need some kind of proof of existence of an already verified and publicized philosophical idea taking place in NGE...the job is quite easy... as they basically CITE the source in anime itself: Schopenhauers Appendices and Omissions and his famous porcupine dilemma. Oh and take this: Schopenhauer basically shaped European Existentialism and contributed to it a lot, remember when I said that NGE dabbles in existential questions? Coincidence? I think not... :D You can at least take that last point as a fact that Anno at least tried to do SOME homework before spewing shi+. Edit: Oh and I applaud you for actually being an academic citizen(or at least trying to be), not that often in this day and age, go figure why I'm on the forums :/ Edit2.0: Oh and do I really have to explain how the porcupine dilemma fits into the NGE? I mean its quite obvious Edit3.0: Oh to hell with it, I have too much free time on my hands so why not, quoting myself: "The whole ending starts with the premise of people being lost, destructive and reason less and ends with the conclusion that the H.Sapiens is such a creature that build themselves(EGO) by interacting even if it hurts and feels dumb/reasonless, which the last message quite clearly supports by saying BE YOURSELF or in other words dont be afraid of human contact and fight the judgmental society for your own piece of the pie(I mean a clear message for a child show), the process of concluding is also shown in the form of oh-so-hated photo-montage and other suggestive scenes(like the inside of their mind/ego)." To add up, since I was referring to other problem with that response...it basically says we should try and overcome the pain we encounter and/or fight to get what matters to us, in Shinjis case: someone that cares for him. Meaning Shinji was willing to get stuck on others defensive needles in order to get that body warmth to sustain his life(ie. his ego/person). There, hedgehog dilemma. |
NannermanAug 23, 2013 2:58 PM
| I loved the breakdowns and the conflicts the characters held with themselves. But still. If I hadn't known about the low budget and how it was SUPPOSED to be open to interpretation, I would have thought the writers were on crack or something -_- |
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| Ending was... confusing. But at the same time great, as Shinji finally made his brain work properly. Saw a parody of the ending on "Keroro Gunsou" some days before I watched this, so it was nice to see where the reference were from. |
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| God those last few episodes were hard to watch. Its unfortunate because it started off pretty good too. |
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| This doesn't even feel like an ending. At least we know that It was because the creators ran out of budget :( But I'm looking forward to the movie ending. |
Always-HungrySep 22, 2013 8:02 AM
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| Congratulations! Time to watch the movie now. |
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| I liked the ending but I think it just wasn't right that these were set as the last two episodes. I feel somehow this sorta thing should have been put somewhere in the middle of the story, just not in the end. Usually how I feel about endings is excitement and a bad ass way to end the story off but this isn't really what happened here. I mean, to begin with, I was searching for an action series but later on into the story, you soon realize that it's not all about the action, it's about the mentality of the characters. I enjoyed getting into their past and seeing through their perspective but the fact that it was so long when it could already could have been summed up in about five minutes or so just kind of sets me off. |
| I have an idea of what the ending's about but my reaction is still.... dafuq |
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| I actually really enjoyed the ending. I admit I'm a sucker for introspection and philosophy, as well with anything that touches base on the meaning of life and self worth. I feel a lot of the people replying to this thread that dislike this anime is due to the fact the last two episodes were quite heavy on dialogue and to get the full meaning you really needed to sit down and think. The obvious point of "loving yourself" is deep on how you look at it and possibly where you are in life. Guess what? I will inevitably rate a slice-of-life lower than something thought provoking than another person, but it just shows that two different people like different types of things. But I always give them a chance and sometimes a couple really surprise me. But some people want specific things out of anime. And there isn't anything wrong with that. Not everyone wants to escape reality with a show that dives right into it without mercy. NGE, to me, was about Shinji and his inner struggle. Along with that, it shows other characters and their turmoils, showing that most people will experience a sense of crises in their lives. How you relate to these series of events and what types of trauma you may or may have not encountered can alter your enjoyment of this. I suspect people who have had a bout of depression can relate to this more than to someone who pushes through struggles with ease. I actually loved the mecha aspect of it, the characters felt real, the symbolism was thought provoking and the "long ramble" of the last two episodes make it remarkable, and one of the top anime I've seen. Even with budget cuts, I quite liked the simplistic approach and felt it didn't particularly dampen the atmosphere. The only gripes I had was the slow start in the beginning, the couple of pieces of information that you had to infer that are important to the plot, and the short appearance of the last angel, Kaworu. I'm particularly sore that they introduced and killed him in one episode. His death wasn't as dramatic as it should have been, because we didn't have time to fully appreciate his role. That minute pause would have been so much sweeter and less awkward if we had another episode or two to see the interaction and quick attachment Shinji had to Kaworu. I personally would have docked an episode from the beginning, and shortened the second to last episode. I felt the way Shinji was able to open up to him was very vital to come to the conclusion of loving himself in the end. So, after my ramble, I'll conclude and give this an 8/10 and a spot on my favorites list! |
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| I really enjoyed Neon Genesis Evangelion. I loved the story and the characters. The action was fun. My only problem was the last 2 episodes. I can see why this is a classic. 8/10. I will definitely rewatch Neon Genesis Evangelion again in the future..........I love the opening for this show. |
| The animation style wasn't as bad as I expected but the story was weird as hell. |
| added the fourth most popular anime onto this site |
| Even tho most of the things discussed in the last 2 episodes held some truth and realism.........thru most of them i was always "GET TO THE FUCKING POINT!!!!!!!!!!!" because it made me realize just how much of an asshole i really am |
DarkRyuuseiJan 31, 2014 6:51 AM
Piegoose said: DarkRyuusei said: because it made me realize just how much of an asshole i really am Trust me, you shouldn't feel like an asshole for having that type of reaction to this. But really, what the hell was this all about? If these last two episodes of internal confliction, which take no consideration to the entire plot, were filled with intelligent dialogue and varied topics - maybe it would have been alright. It wasn't though..... my god it wasn't. I felt like I was the one going insane while watching it~ The whole discussion was: "I'm useless and everyone hates me", "No, maybe I'm wrong", "I'm useless and everyone hates me", "No, maybe I'm wrong", "I'm useless and everyone hates me", "No, maybe I'm wrong", "I'm useless and everyone hates me", "No, maybe I'm wrong", "No, I'm wrong" - -- - -- - CONGRATULATIONS SHINJI!! YOU BEAT THE PLOT! I haven't seen the movie yet, but this ending has to be the most horrific ending of any form of entertainment, on any type of media, that I have ever seen. I had to lower the score by 2, as I was being nice the whole show for the decent voice recording devices they were using and the very unimpressive visuals most of the time. I forgave it, but this is just speeding over the crossed line on a four-wheeler. Weird~ Watch the movie then, I bet you'll love it |
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| Interesting ending. I remember seeing a parody of the "congratulations" in Gintama so I giggled a bit at that part. Anyways, onwards to the movie! |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwMkfGbmfhI This video teaches me the importance of hygiene and fetishes!!! |
| I feel cheated. Hmm.. I just finished EoE and yeah Shinji was annoying and cowardly but I still don't think he deserves all the hate. I mean anyone would be cowardly and incompetent compared to what Asuka did there :D But in this tv series, I don't think he was that annoying at all. |
xcheeFeb 19, 2014 3:46 AM
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| ... What the fuck... I just... no... Really?... Okay... Well I guess... I don't know... ... *My mindfuck at the ending |
MastaJFeb 23, 2014 6:03 PM
| "When life gives you lemons, make orange juice, then sit back and watch the world wonder how you did it." |
then said: Someone please tell me wtf that was thats what im thinking. very confusing. but i think they handled it well |
"Urushibara Ruka. The mannerisms and voice of a woman... No... More feminine than any woman. But he's a guy. Taller than Mayuri, but so very thin... But he's a guy. Looks great in a miko outfit... But he's a guy. It's already twilight And yet, it's so hot. The cicadas are crying. But... He's a guy." |
| An abomination. Defend it all you want, this will remain in history as one of the worst endings ever (last 2 episodes). Do yourself a "favor" and just watch the End of Evangelion movie instead. Note that it is also deeply flawed, but its better than this trash. |
| That was somethin else! I've never seen an ending like it. For its uniqueness and positivity I like it. However, I admit that i would be PISSED if I End of Evangelion didn't exist. I want answers to the bajilion unanswered questions! I'm glad it ended on a happy/positive note. That was an interesting secular answer to the question of why keep on living in this world even in the face of despair. I heard that these last two episodes would be trippy and examine the main characters minds, so I wasn't blind sighted by this. masaba said: I loved it, until I found out that it wasn't really what they intended, plus the whole congratulations Shinji thing was gay, but I thought is really unique and deserves some credit for being done on a limited budget. I think the fact that they were running out of money makes this ending even better! I think its impressive that the creators could make something so creative and unique on a limited budget |
DaydreamHeroMar 8, 2014 2:29 AM
| Love and Peace!!! |
| Awesome. Glad you liked it it. With an ending this controversial you never quite know how people will react, even if they liked the series up to that point. But, yeah, I agree it is a very creative and unique ending. Especially given the budget issues. Btw, EoE takes place before and after the instrumentality sequence. It may only be obvious on a re-watch but these episodes heavily hint, by imagery, events in EoE. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| This show was weird as hell. I couldn't fully understand all of the philosophical meanings. Will rewatch this in the future and I'll look at the movies too. Honestly, I didn't really like it overall, but I can see why it's a classic. Will give an 8/10. |
| Couldn't the ending just be Asuka and Shinji being together and like..not dying or crying ,just being happy!I Just want them to accept each other :'( |
 "There are no nudists in cold areas" - Tsugumi Ohba |
| Although I liked the exploration into Shinji's psyche and philosophy, I feel like it just dragged out way too much and the ending felt unsatisfying and incomplete. The themes they covered were interesting and I could touch base on a couple to a more personal level. Something else I found interesting was I had heard that the director of this had gone through depression/suicidal phases and wonder if Shinji's breakthrough at the end was reflective on that at all. As a whole I really enjoyed this series, but I can't really say it left any big or lasting impressions on me. There were intriguing moments of philosophy and the psychological exploration of the characters, most notably Shinji, was remarkable. I never really had any complaints, but nothing stood out too much for me either. Guess there really is a difference between growing up with something and coming at it from a later-in-life perspective. Thinking between a 7/10 or 8/10. Congratulations! |
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| This episode together with 25 is an abomination. Congratulations? Wtf? Might as well end it by telling us everything took place in Shinji's mind and that the Mechas, Angels and Apocalypse simply made up by Shinji's delusion? And then showing Shinji leaving the mental hospital with the whole crew waiting to pick him up and congratulating him? |
| even forgiving the lack of animation, these last 2 episodes drop the show down from a 10 to a 9 :( Thank god for EoE! |
| The show was nice, but what a train-wreck of an ending. |
| I dislike cuteness, moe, lolis, romance, romantic comedies, slice of life, ecchi, harem, waifus and fan-service. |
| ...I.. I don't even... WHY?! That ending was so unsatisfactory. There was practically 0 closure on that.. I have like a million questions for this. I'm gonna marathon this series to see if I understand anything better. Plus I guess I'll watch the End of Evangelion and I'll definitely watch the Rebuild movies. |
"You either die an Ashita no Joe, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Naruto."  |
| Well those last 2 episodes weren't great at all. We could already work out a lot of those explanations as to how Shinji was feeling from previous episodes. derikic said: This does seem like it could make sense, and that those few minutes of school life were the real world.I am pretty certain that Evangelion was a metaphor for life in general with Shinji demonstrating reality only in episode 26. Have yet to watch EoE but will get round to it soon enough, hopefully to clear up some loose ends. Oh and i have to say, episode 19 was one of the best episodes i've seen. |
| Still the greatest ending of all time. 11/10 |
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RevolverSnake said: Still the greatest ending of all time. 11/10 Yup. I feel bad for people who don't understand it, but then when they make dumb posts out of sheer ignorance I don't feel so bad for them. People get upset when they are confused, and this thread is a PERFECT example. |
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