BurntJelly said: Bloodshade said: NTSC Film is 24000/1001 FPS (do the math yourself) so yes, that's normal and correct. This is where MadVR's smooth motion comes in. If your monitor refresh rate is at 60Hz like mine, 23.976 does not go into 60 evenly. MadVR makes panning look smooth even though the rates don't match.I don't even encode most of my videos, that I get from bluray. I just leave them lossless. So is that suppose to have any affect with madvr? When I start running out of space i'll encode more, but all my direct rips are 23.976 fps, is that normal? The difference in MadVR's resize filters is likely too little to even notice. Especially when just upscaling 720p to 1080p. I don't think it's worth worrying about. Thank you for explaining that. :) So in the end it shouldn't really matter between vlc and mpc w/ madvr in my scenario? Although some video files might benefit from it? |
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| keep in mind that if you dont change the size of the player you dont benefit almost at all from the madvr settings! so comparing screenshots of the original video size is kinda pointless! at full screen is where the magic happens! |
| The sub in question is the K-On! season 1 Frost fansub I'm using mpc-hc without any codecs installed. Here's a screenshot of an example:  I've never had this problem before, can someone diagnose the problem? |
| i wonder if VLC would have the same problem |
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worldeditor11 said: Download KCP and install it. Hmm that is what I've been using. I just wish it would automatically update. Its a pain in the ass uninstalling and re-downloading all the time. |
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Nate515 said: stay the hell away from klite bloatware for god sakes! if you don't want to manually install yr. codecs/player/renderer, etc. download kawaii codec pack (as the admin of this topic recommends) - here's a direct link to it:Hello, I'm thinking about upgrading from my klite with mpc hc to the 64 bit KCP which includes MadVR But I can't decide if it's worth it, can someone advise me before I fiddle with it. I have a quad core 2.7GHZ i5 750 with 4 GB of ram DDR3 I think GTX 560 OC 1 GB GDDR5 Win 7 64bit I was wondering if it's worth the switch? And would it be too taxing on my graphics card? I'm up for a quality improvement but I don't want to work it too hard as I'm not in a good spot to buy a replacement or upgrade any time soon. I'm pretty interested in that 60FPS smoothness too, saw it at a friends place and it looks pretty nice. I was also wondering about the difference in post and pre processing and how would one choose which is better because so far I'm not sure of the difference. Thanks beforehand. http://haruhichan.com/forum/showthread.php?7545-KCP-Kawaii-Codec-Pack your should be able to use madvr at least on the lower settings with a gtx 560 - i'm running a dual core processor with an hd 6870 and can run madvr on high to mid settings with no trouble - madvr will not blow up your gpu unless you have it overclocked too high - you should start dropping frames if your settings are overly extreme for your card, just make sure yr. gpu stays below 80c and the card should last out its' natural life (i use gpu-z to monitor temp/clocks/etc.) - you may be able to run smooth video project with a quad core (i know it won't run on my dual core - too taxing), although i personally wouldn't recommend it as i think interpolation looks like unnatural s@#t (most especially on anime content - lots of artifacts as well). good luck! (also not sure what you meant by post or pre processing. are you talking about pixel shaders or something else?) |
octal9Jul 29, 2015 7:23 AM
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Bloodshade said: you don't need to uninstall and reinstall kcp - just install new version over the top of old and it will update itself....worldeditor11 said: Download KCP and install it. Hmm that is what I've been using. I just wish it would automatically update. Its a pain in the ass uninstalling and re-downloading all the time. |
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octal9 said: Bloodshade said: you don't need to uninstall and reinstall kcp - just install new version over the top of old and it will update itself....Hmm that is what I've been using. I just wish it would automatically update. Its a pain in the ass uninstalling and re-downloading all the time. Cool, thanks for the tip. I just read somewhere on the KCP forum that it could cause some problems if you don't completely remove the previous versions of the software. That isn't true anymore? |
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| After uninstalling programs I don't use at all and disabling some unnecessary windows services I broke something, resulting on being unable to play some video files. But following this guide everything works again with no problems. Thanks |
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Bloodshade said: you only have to worry about uninstalling old codecs/codec packs you've installed BEFORE you first installed kcp - if yr. just installing the new version of kcp over the top of the old one you should be totally fine without first uninstalling......octal9 said: you don't need to uninstall and reinstall kcp - just install new version over the top of old and it will update itself.... Cool, thanks for the tip. I just read somewhere on the KCP forum that it could cause some problems if you don't completely remove the previous versions of the software. That isn't true anymore? |
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Nate515 said: i believe by pre/post-processing you must mean before/after resizing of the video - if you use pixel shaders before resizing, they will effect the image more, especially if you're using any kind of sharpening shader (i.e. luma sharpen, fine sharp, adaptive sharpen, etc.) and you may end up with an image that looks unnatural (unless you turn the strength of the shader way down - i use adaptive sharpen turned down super-low as a pre-resize shader) - using pixel shaders after resizing will tend to effect the image less (i use vibrance, adaptive sharpen, and super res after resizing) - just mess around with the various settings until you get something you like for your set up - each person's set of eyes are different and every monitor/tv will reproduce a given image differently.......Is k lite really that bad? Have been using it for a few years now, didn't seem to have any issues. Only reason I'm changing it is because I want MadVR which I very recently found out about along with the whole setup that many anime people rave about. Ya, I'm about to install KCP right now, I need to reread up on some things but I had the impression that it also gives you the best settings right off the bat? I dunno, we'll see I guess. Yeah, yesterday was the first time I ever fiddled with shaders and it made my video look way more vibrant and clearer (but showed a bit more grain then I'd like). But yeah, in there when you choose a shader, you have to choose whether it goes through pre processing or post processing and I just don't know what the difference is or the pros and cons. Tried searching without much success. Both of them come out pretty much the same, so I'm not sure. I was sort of interested in the 64 bit version but not sure when it'll be finished so I guess I'll get the 32 bit for the time being. |
octal9Aug 1, 2015 6:16 AM
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| I have a problem with Windows Media Player - Classic after having to re-install it on Windows 10. The subtitles option is greyed out and can't find a way to somehow enable it. Also, some videos still display subtitles, but others do not. It won't let me select other audio tracks on videos either. I don't have this problem when opening the files in VLC player. |
| be sure you are using the latest versions of the programs, also win 10 is new so the programs have to adapt and fix staff like these... give it time if you have the latest versions already! |
| Firstly, THANK YOU! I just set everything up. Some notes: xySubFilter link is outdated; the MPC guide needs updated screenshots; jinc no longer has the taps option under madVR. This is my OSD screenshot. Please let me know if there is anything you can see that stands out. Thanks! |
zasabi7 said: i personally no longer use xysubfilter as its' main programmer is now m.i.a. the built in subtitle renderer in mpc-hc is quite a bit more efficient these days. the only downside to the internal renderer is the inability to use integer fractions for sub styles (width of outline, shadow, etc.). i keep xysubfilter around for when i really want to customize subs to the nth degree, but otherwise the built in renderer is much more optimized as of this date. also, much kudos to the genius who is the programmer on madvr! i recently was forced to use an ancient gpu (circa 2007 nvidia) and the code is now so optimized that i can run a good part of madvr visual improvements on a dinosaur gpu. madshi it genius!Firstly, THANK YOU! I just set everything up. Some notes: xySubFilter link is outdated; the MPC guide needs updated screenshots; jinc no longer has the taps option under madVR. This is my OSD screenshot. Please let me know if there is anything you can see that stands out. Thanks! |
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| i use mpv after reading the manual to configure some settings it quickly became my preferred media player |
| use this link for XySubFilter Beta3 http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168282 its the preferred with madvr... |
 I can't find the option to disable auto load subtitles. MPC 1.7.10 |
【=◈︿◈=】 私はちょうど何が重要か見つけようとしている。 |
select "always load" from xy-vsfilter's options. (be sure to use latest beta also!). |
| Having built a new PC, I decided to try out MPC-HC, following this step-by-step guide. Got everything working just fine and then compared it to VLC. Visually, I'm not seeing much difference really. Even when comparing 2 same frames, zooming in on them, I only notice MPC's subtitles slightly sharper, that's about it. Sound, however, is a little more noticeable, and of better quality in MPC, so that's nice. Whether or not it's worth all the extra trouble, it's kind of hard to say... |
Khaled1323 said: just installed everything, any setting you guys recommended ? Also what the setting for madVr scaling algorithms ? i run in 980ti and i7-4770 and this is osd http://prntscr.com/dggdse i recommend checking out madvr's forum on doom9 - there is tons of very informative stuff regarding resizing algorithms, etc. madvr's developer, madshi, has just created a new resizing algorithm called NGU that does wonders with resizing (especially standard def older anime) - it's very sharp and yet doesn't cause aliasing or ringing like most very sharp resizers and the performance hit is quite low compared to nnedi3 with supersampling - your 980ti can probably run almost anything you throw at it regarding madvr. doom9 forum link: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146228 (tons of info, but takes some time to sort through it - try going to the end of the forum for ngu comparisons to other algorithms) also, here is a page explaining what all the different settings on madvr do: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1709584#post1709584 and one more: http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=259188 good luck and hope you find the information helpfull - you might as well put that monster gpu to work (wish i could afford one - i'm currently stuck with a 950 gtx due to crap finances)! |
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Faederwulf said: I'm on Linux, and I use the player that should never be named. How bad are we talking here? DivX bad? :p |
| that's because vlc renders color by processing it wrong, is incredibly overburdened by programming bloat that causes all kinds of fun stuff like jittery pans and blocking, also it uses far more processing power than it should - if you're on linux i highly recommend mpv player which does everything well right out of the box and can do everything (and more) that mpc-hc + madvr can do with some minor tweaking of the config file - a great player for those on linux (or windows or ios) - personally i still stick to using mpc-be + madvr because i don't know a ton about programming/config files and i love madvr's new ngu resizing algorithm (makes 480p files look as good as 1080p), and also i'm a lazy bastard. i use mpv as my backup player if i come upon videos which mpc-be can't handle (which is very rare)....... |
octal9Jan 8, 2017 4:43 AM
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| there's actually a way to do your own key bindings as well as mouse bindings (i'm not quite sure how myself) - check out the manual that comes with it, i think it's somewhere in there - mpv has endless ways of modding it - you can even extend the player via user scripts - there's a github for them: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/User-Scripts - again, if i wasn't so damn lazy and on windows it would probably be my main player - also users post config files over on 4chan from time to time if you're not up for writing yr. own (and yes, i know this is all way off topic, but it seems the guy who started this subforum has been m.i.a. for a very long time, so why not?).... |
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LordHikki said: check out the madvr forum on doom9: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146228How can I use my AMD Radeon R7 M265 series Graphic card for madVR. It is using my Intel HD GRaphics 5500 and giving low performance. Please help i'm not well versed on how to do this as i have a single gpu computer but the folks on doom9 should probably be able to tell you how, as many people have the same problem. if this doesn't work i found this method (seems to be the advice of most places i looked online): Open catalyst control centre. If you haven't yet installed catalyst, just go ahead and download it from AMD site ,after entering your laptop details on the site itself. Open CCC Go to Settings icon on top right corner, set to Advanced view. Go to power options/switchable graphics settings If your application or game is visible in the list go ahead and change its status to High performance . If it isn't present, add the application file (.exe) and then change its settings to High performance. Now go to the battery icon, right click, select mobility option Choose either balanced or high performance. Now go back to CCC, under power options make sure the settings are changed to Maximise performance on the required power mode ( balanced/high). good luck and enjoy anime the way it should look! i'm currently running a gtx 950 and can run most madvr settings on high or very high without dropping frames (if the video is 24fps or less and scaled to no higher than 1080p - i have to use lower settings for 30fps or higher and/or scaling to ultra hd). you should be able to run at least medium settings with your amd as the card you have is not a whole lot less powerful than my gpu (check out this comparison on gpu boss: http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R7-M265-vs-GeForce-GTX-950).... |
octal9Feb 13, 2017 6:44 AM
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| Is there any way to get the regular seekbar to show in fullscreen? I don't like the seekbar of MadVR. |
| LordHikki - if haven't already, try running madvr in windowed full screen rather than full screen exclusive - you may have less frame drops (i recently switched to non-exclusive mode and have much better stability/less frame drops than before + i don't have to wait forever for the video player to switch in and out of full screen mode and can see chapter markers in the seek bar). |
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Ezekiel said: the only way to get the regular seek bar is to switch out of exclusive mode (although you can't output full 10 bit in this mode, which in my opinion isn't much of a drawback, as the only monitors/tv's that can render in full 10 bit are very rare and/or extremely expensive) (or you could use the piece of s#$t potplayer - i wouldn't recommend this as potplayer is way bloated, does frequent call backs to some server in korea, and steals almost all of its' code from open-source projects like mpc, lav filters, xysubfilter, etc. while remaining closed source and giving none of the above projects credit). it's nigh on impossible to see the difference between a 10 bit or 8 bit monitor - for me the most important thing in a monitor is accurate color rendering and the ability to either match the videos frame rate exactly or to run at an exact multiple of the frame rate. this is especially important in anime as it's very easy to notice judder in fast motion or in pans. currently i'm running a benq that can run up to 144hz and it is the best computer investment i've ever made - i don't have to run smooth motion at all, so no blurriness or judder. the first time i saw anime run smooth as silk was beautiful! as i said above non-exclusive mode really has very few drawbacks and is as stable or more than exclusive mode. in the old days this was not the case, but it's real nice now! Is there any way to get the regular seekbar to show in fullscreen? I don't like the seekbar of MadVR. p.s. - love the avatar - i'm currently re-watching the sopranos for the nine trillionth time - has there ever been a more perfect tv show (other than the lame-ass ending)? |
octal9Feb 15, 2017 5:31 AM
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octal9 said: Wow, no wonder the transitions to fullscreen were always ugly on my setup. It was exclusive fullscreen mode. Thanks. My MX27AQ is only 8 bit, so no worries there. Ezekiel said: the only way to get the regular seek bar is to switch out of exclusive mode (although you can't output full 10 bit in this mode, which in my opinion isn't much of a drawback, as the only monitors/tv's that can render in full 10 bit are very rare and/or extremely expensive) (or you could use the piece of s#$t potplayer - i wouldn't recommend this as potplayer is way bloated, does frequent call backs to some server in korea, and steals almost all of its' code from open-source projects like mpc, lav filters, xysubfilter, etc. while remaining closed source and giving none of the above projects credit). it's nigh on impossible to see the difference between a 10 bit or 8 bit monitor - for me the most important thing in a monitor is accurate color rendering and the ability to either match the videos frame rate exactly or to run at an exact multiple of the frame rate. this is especially important in anime as it's very easy to notice judder in fast motion or in pans. currently i'm running a benq that can run up to 144hz and it is the best computer investment i've ever made - i don't have to run smooth motion at all, so no blurriness or judder. the first time i saw anime run smooth as silk was beautiful! as i said above non-exclusive mode really has very few drawbacks and is as stable or more than exclusive mode. in the old days this was not the case, but it's real nice now! Is there any way to get the regular seekbar to show in fullscreen? I don't like the seekbar of MadVR. p.s. - love the avatar - i'm currently re-watching the sopranos for the nine trillionth time - has there ever been a more perfect tv show (other than the lame-ass ending)? I thought the ending was brilliant. But yeah, best TV show I've ever seen. |
Shineek said: a good alternative to xysubfilter is mpc-hc/mpc-be internal sub filter - it can do just about everything xysubfilter can do and has better performance - my only gripe about it is that you can only use integer numbers (i.e.: internal filter can set border width/shadow width/etc. only to whole numbers, while xysubfilter can use numbers with up to 4 digits after the decimal point - this is very important to me as i like to adjust the subs to look just right + i enjoy tinkering with my settings anyways). on the subject of assfilter mod - this project has much future promise as it runs much faster than xysubfilter and is still in active development, unlike xysubfilter which is currently pretty much dead - the downside is it can't be used in mpc-be and can't currently render vobsub or pgs (although the guy running the project says this is in the works. i'm using it in mpc-hc for stuff with .ass subs and running mpc-be with xysubfilter for everything else (the developers on be say they're not interested in adding support until assfilter mod becomes more functional). hopefully this happens soon because my personal choice for preferred player it mpc-be (much better user interface and many more updates than hc).What to use for sub render? Internal? XySubfilter? Xy-VSfiler? After KCP died ive installed everything on my own from the newest builds, but the XySubfilter crashes on some anime or has major performance issues while doing some subs, as for now im using internal only for problematic anime. Dont bother saying assfiltermod as it has so many bugs that its worse than any of the previous mentioned ones. |
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| It's been a while since I had to change PC, now I need to reset my MPC-HC, some of the parts are not mentioned in the guide (supposedly edited out I would imagine), details for xySub filter or LAV, and the graph for setting up madvr seems to be missing too. I am used to MPC-HC, it worked perfectly for me, can someone show me the updated guide please? many thanks |
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