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Nov 27, 2012 12:21 PM
#101
Yoruko- said: Theres a lot of hidden superficiality in this series you'll miss if you get allured by the 'magic'.. I know what you mean. I still have to pause and laugh sometimes because of the whole "sparkles and bubbles" approach most shoujo anime takes to this subject. |
Nov 27, 2012 1:38 PM
#102
Nov 27, 2012 3:02 PM
#103
@ Yoruko-: Yoruko- said: -not sure what you mean by this.. -From what the anime has shown so far she didn't have any friends because her personality was sucky and she didn't want any friends and shunned people away. I have to disagree. I don't think the main aim is to have a positive message or lesson like that, I think the main purpose in writing something like this is to get girls to buy it because they can picture themselves as mei. Most girls (especially those who would buy manga) are not the most popular pretty girl in school, so they can fantasize about the most popular guy falling for them, even though they are not as pretty, or have as nice personalities and are pretty ordinary. Since manga in general (minus the major titles) is a bit more popular with girls it make good business sense to write a story that would cater to their common desire of wanting to date the hottest cutest most popular rich(implied) MODEL cool guy that makes all the other girls in school jealous. I think this is the main purpose of writing the story rather than deliver a lesson, is really the writers know most girls will give them money to read and imagine themselves as mei because what girl wouldn't want to be in her position? -So spend all that money animating and getting on tv so girls with buy the manga? That sounds like a bad business plan. The series is just too unrealistic to me. Yamato is the perfect human being and he's trying soo soo hard reaching out to this plain looking, insecure, emo, dramatic, quiet, bad cooking, nothing stand out or special, no friends girl who was doing her best to push him away. Have you ever asked why is he even in love with her? What stands out about Mei that the hottest most popular person in school instantly falls in love with her. Maybe he was tired of the beautiful girls who throw themselves at him and just wanted a challenge. Maybe he would have dated any girl who said no to him and seemed like she didn't care. Men are hunters. So yeah its just too unreal but its popular I guess because it every girls fantasy. Firstly, I assumed that by "the hottest guy in school", you meant someone who must be extremely good-looking. That's determined by appearance, obviously. At the same time, you could say there is no limit to the variety of personalities in this world. Which means there is at least one person (or one guy) who would deal with her personality. Both because of the variety of people and that personality and appearance can be completely unrelated (especially if it gets down to genes), it's not that unlikely for the hottest guy in school to deal with her personality. At a young age, Mei lost trust in people around her (episode 1, I believe) and thus didn't want to let anyone get close to her (except for her family, I suppose), which is why she later on chose not to have any friends. She lost that trust because those people didn't treat her well, but that doesn't mean that she has a bad personality. Of course most girls cannot be the most popular girl in school, then everyone would be equally popular. o.o Maybe I'm the one forgetting something here, but this manga is being published in Japan where reading this is common for about everyone. Be it the most popular girl/guy or the least popular girl/guy. The author herself even has a few words regarding this. She says that she suspects there are many girls like Mei around, but making this story sound as if the main purpose was to get girls to read a fairytale and try to realise exactly such a life is dead wrong. There's no problem with fantasising or hope in general, this is fiction, after all. But if you've read that, you would understand that the development of Mei's character is the main idea and focus. As we go along with Mei, and in stories like these you're supposed to symphatise with the protagonist as she has been introduced as a good person and not someone with a bad personality unlike many people around her, a normal reader would want her to take a step forward, cheers her on and struggles alongside her (for example, if this was from Megumi's perspective and we knew about her past beforehand, maybe we wouldn't approve of her interfering with Yamato and Mei etc., but we'd want her to find out what she's doing wrong and become a better person and so on) and in that sense, seeing all those girls - most of them being portrayed with negative traits, maybe superficiality being one of them - getting envious of Mei who we regard as a good person awakens our sense of justice; unless you're a bully yourself, I suppose anyone would want her to receive some sort of recognition, maybe. And exactly that is happening to the Mei who had been bullied constantly, who her classmates had been looking down on. It doesn't really matter who the reader is, although someone who has been through similar things has a more personal connection to everything and thus is more interested in reading it. If the point really was to have the female readers fantasise about something like this, the manga would be very, very different. It's not like Yamato is treating her like a princess or whatever. Most of all, if that was how it is, Mei would have fallen for him after looking at him, nothing more. In the original, the story started in winter, meaning Mei already knew about Yamato's existence months before the story started. Yet she didn't fall for him until then. Later on, the issue with the importance of appearance versus personality is being taken up more often, for example here: Maybe it really seems that different if you haven't read the manga (?), but the only things that could hint towards the author trying to mainly make the readers fantasise about a plain girl getting the good-looking and popular guy at the end of the day is simply Mei being isolated and distrusting at the start of the series and Yamato possessing good looks and being popular. Coming to this conclusion with only that is anything but convincing. In the manga, rather than separating Mei's character development and her relationship with Yamato as it might not appear there's any connection between those, Yamato is being portrayed as the key factor (chapter 20, page 14 and the following pages) that pushes Mei's back and helps her achieve the change she wishes to undergo. But let's look at it in another way: What would change if Yamato wasn't as popular, as good-looking, as nice and even rich as he is? If you think about it, many elements of the story couldn't have happened the way they did: The issues with Arai, with Asami, Aiko, Nagi and Megumi could have never happened. And these are being addressed even later on. All of them have a relation to Yamato and Mei which means a connection to their relationship, some of them even have experiences with bullying/being bullied and all of them have had to deal with what others think of their personalities and appearance. Arai was the girl who only wanted to get close to Yamato after he had become popular and good-looking. I may be wrong after all, but I always assumed it was Arai who allowed Yamato and Mei's relationship to start because her behaviour is contrasting to Mei who was troubled by her feelings toward Yamato. If he hadn't had the aforementioned traits he has, Arai hadn't been as "interested" into him then. Whether the contrast is an addition or not, if Mei hadn't followed Yamato back then because him liking Arai, who was with him due to her interest, made her feel uneasy and unsettled, they would have remained friends. Asami and Aiko were more attracted to his personality because they were rejected by one specific person or several people while Yamato was different from them and accepted them both. If Yamato didn't have such a personality, we wouldn't have seen Asami and Aiko's developments. The only time that he or rather than him his parents are rich has been mentioned was when Mei went over to his house, but the fact that he's rich isn't important at all, however this aspect gained importance in regards to his sister Nagi who earned several fake friends because of that which lead to her negative view of people. If her parents hadn't been rich, she wouldn't have been through this. In other words, if Yamato's family hadn't been rich, we couldn't have been in the position to witness Nagi's character development, although that's only the requirement for Mei's conversation with her which then lead to her change of thinking. Megumi who says that she likes Yamato is more similar to Arai because she wouldn't have looked at Yamato if he possessed ordinary looks and maybe wasn't popular. Whether she really likes him or not, just like then with Aiko, ever since Megumi stepped into the story, Yamato and Mei's relationship (and the other characters, too) faces troubles that we want to see them overcome and grow stronger together. His appearance and personality aren't the only requirements for these incidents. If people like Arai, Aiko and Megumi didn't look down on Yamato's girlfriend but actually thought that Mei was more beautiful than them, that they like her personality, get along with her or whatever, there wouldn't be any conflict. Both Yamato and Mei are necessary to be the way they are for this story about young relationships, bullying, the importance of appearance and personality etc. Nah, there are lots of negative reactions to Yamato's behaviour in the thread. And despite that, he has positive traits, but that doesn't mean that any girl (after considering sexual orientation, that is) would want to have him as her boyfriend. There are lots of "nice guys" complaining that girls don't pay them any attention. If Yamato existed in reality, it's not impossible that he wouldn't even become popular in the first place. Anime targetted toward girls in general would be a bad idea then... There's something else they should do before that, though... This might be a spoiler, so... It's the complete opposite! As mentioned in page 27 of chapter 19 I linked to earlier, Yamato has his own insecurities as well. It mostly has to do with his very own past with Kai, if my memory doesn't fail me. If he was trying so hard, he would talk directly to her more often. I don't think either of them is acting appropriate in situations when they should, but that's why this story is about their growth together, not merely some girls' fantasies. To sum it up: plain-looking, insecure, emo, dramatic, quiet, bad at cooking, not standing out/not special, no friends. I'm not sure what you mean by "emo", but it probably doesn't apply to her anyway. Being quiet and not being special/not standing out/being plain-looking aren't negative traits. Yamato isn't really loud, either... I would say the same about not having friends, but we can replace it with being distrustful. I think her being dramatic is only the impression of some readers/watchers, she's not actually supposed to be that way. (I mean, in manga/anime, no one among ordinary characters usually looks ugly even though there are other characters that actually think so. Sometimes there are characters which are supposed to be good-looking while there are others who the majority of the readers considers much more attractive. Meaning there is a difference between the perception of the readers and of the characters/author) But this could also be the case because it's an adaption :S Then, about her being insecure, as I stated earlier Yamato, too, is insecure in some sense. Now that comparison might not exactly help, however both being insecure and being distrustful of others are the traits that allow her to change. If she was the opposite possessing a high self-esteem, self-confidence etc., there wouldn't be any room for development for the protagonist. Moreover, it seems the author started with this character and continued from there. And about her not being good at cooking, there are two or maybe three reasons for this. Firstly, it's probably unlikely but still possible the author thought if she's already good at bowling, another speciality might be too much in comparison with other characters which don't have any. Secondly, when Nagi was introduced, we learned how she can make stuffed animals herself and is good at cooking which is believable because she's spent quite a long time at home. Later on, the children her age became interested in her because of her hobbies. And now in a more recent chapter, this speciality was necessary for another connection with a new supporting character. she wouldn't be able to improve. Now that Valentine's Day is approaching, Mei shows us and Yamato how she cares about him and tries her best for him, even though she knows she's not good at it. I believe the manga (at least the English translated parts) is currently getting behind why he even likes her, but yes I'm confused about that, too. But now that you made me think about it, unless the female/male lead openly talks about the male/female lead, it rarely happens that explicit reasons for falling in love with the person in question are mentioned. Which is not too surprising considering there are many people who cannot explain love *shrugs* Actually, it is realistic that someone (Yamato) who is constantly being surrounded by the same kinds of people takes an interest in someone different from them (Mei). Well, there are a few occasions which can make me guess which parts of Mei Yamato likes, but nothing definite has been stated, or maybe I'm getting forgetful because of the gap between the releases of the translated chapters. It didn't happen instantly. He wanted to be friends with her at first. Mei might even have felt something for him before Yamato, however didn't realise it. "Challenge" makes his approach sound as if he had ill intentions despite that's clearly not the case -.-, but up until now, it appears he hasn't been in a relationship before he encountered Mei. So we cannot call that a "challenge". And since that rumor with him having kissed every single girl in school isn't true (just a few weeks ago I thought so, too, but ever since what happened with Hayakawa whom I completely forgot about appeared in the anime, the fact that Yamato doesn't get intimate with every single girl he meets unlike the former proves it wrong), he cannot get tired of them in the first place. He might be too nice to people who cling onto him whether that's because he's popular, good-looking or they're attracted to his personality. When Megumi confessed but later apologised, he forgave her too so I don't think he'd outright tell them to leave unless they acted improperly before and don't apologise or so (being nice or polite to such an extent might be a negative trait as it makes him dishonest). As mentioned in the anime and in one of the links to the manga before, he considers personality more important. He probably would have taken an interest in another girl at that time too but then he might have lost that later on. If Mei turned out to be a person he finds himself not being able of getting along with or rather than that being different from his expectations, he'd stop the relationship. As I said before, I assumed that it was because of Arai that he fell in love with her, but because he's mentioned Mei's kick like three times now throughout the series, it might have started with an interest which made him want to be friends with her and then he became infatuated with her as he noticed she was in love with him. The contrast with Arai would at least give more meaning to her existence, lol. But rather than that, he was already (slightly) interested in her before that. (I don't remember anymore if that was skipped in the anime...) Yeah... surely that generalisation will be of help. Something that hasn't been addressed in the anime as much in the manga is that Mei was said to have become more beautiful by others. Her appearance doesn't particularly change, well she doesn't have as short hair as in the beginning anymore and now that she goes on dates and all that, the outfits she picks out are more feminine than in the beginning, too. But rather than describing her as ugly, I think her appearance is/was ordinary because if I remember correctly, the only times when (not sure if it even happened at all) someone insulted her regarding her looks, it was because she started a relationship with Yamato and the girls were envious. From the way I see it, in order to look as beautiful as she's beginning to be now, she doesn't need a makeover, but opening up to people and changing as she does right now as in being happy who she is and all that made her have "that certain something". Perhaps it's as if she went from merely existing to living. I think people see SINY. as a realistic manga/anime because of the characters. In this series, there are many kinds of people that we might have met in and recognise from our very own lives. The girl who has no friends, who believes that in the end, people will only betray each other. The popular, good-looking guy in school who is nice because he helps others with their problems yet (partially also because of this) has problems on his own. comes from a poor family, was called ugly and looked down on, becomes beautiful through the power of make-up and popular as a sort of revenge but turned into a superficial person since she still hasn't come to terms with her past. was bullied, then gives it his all to one day get back to these delinquents, but then realises that he doesn't need "revenge". Yoruko- said: but once the episode is over and you go back to the real world how well do you think you can apply those lessons learned? If you are plain dramatic and anti social like Mei how many rich handsome great hearted model Yamatos in the world have come into your life to save you from all your hopelessness? In school how often do we see the hot guy all the girls want dating the loser girl nobody knows or cares about? It just doesn't happen but it gives girls hope their rich handsome prince is coming even if they are ordinary, plain and melodramatic and push him away. So to you a series is only realistic if what happens in the story there actually happens in real life? And that has to apply to absolutely everything, otherwise it's not realistic? What people consider realistic in this series doesn't even have to be the oh so rich and handsome male model with awesome hair forming a relationship with the oh so dramatic, emo, ordinary, quiet girl without any friends. There is more to this manga than this. |
Face_FaithNov 27, 2012 3:22 PM
Nov 27, 2012 4:52 PM
#104
Forgot to mention this, but i'm pretty sure that the new guy will fall in love with Mei and then Yamato will be jealous and the roles will be reversed x] |
Nov 27, 2012 8:59 PM
#105
The new guy seems pretty interesting, I'm sure he'll add to the drama. And I can't stand Megumi she is so damn annoying. Overall it was a great episode. |
Nov 28, 2012 1:49 AM
#106
deathxempress said: tsubasalover said: I can understand why everyone's saying negative things to Yamato, but like the title said, both of them are just beginners to falling in love, plus Yamato is just nice to everyone in the personality. Wasn't mentioned earlier that Yamato had a first love whom he never kissed? I do not think he is that much of a beginner. but that was a crush not love |
Nov 28, 2012 1:52 AM
#107
I like Kai he seems like a good person :) oh yeah Aiko is great <3 Nice episode 5/5 ^^ |
Nov 28, 2012 4:43 AM
#108
@ Face_Faith Face_Faith said: @ Yoruko-: Yoruko- said: -not sure what you mean by this.. -From what the anime has shown so far she didn't have any friends because her personality was sucky and she didn't want any friends and shunned people away. I have to disagree. I don't think the main aim is to have a positive message or lesson like that, I think the main purpose in writing something like this is to get girls to buy it because they can picture themselves as mei. Most girls (especially those who would buy manga) are not the most popular pretty girl in school, so they can fantasize about the most popular guy falling for them, even though they are not as pretty, or have as nice personalities and are pretty ordinary. Since manga in general (minus the major titles) is a bit more popular with girls it make good business sense to write a story that would cater to their common desire of wanting to date the hottest cutest most popular rich(implied) MODEL cool guy that makes all the other girls in school jealous. I think this is the main purpose of writing the story rather than deliver a lesson, is really the writers know most girls will give them money to read and imagine themselves as mei because what girl wouldn't want to be in her position? -So spend all that money animating and getting on tv so girls with buy the manga? That sounds like a bad business plan. The series is just too unrealistic to me. Yamato is the perfect human being and he's trying soo soo hard reaching out to this plain looking, insecure, emo, dramatic, quiet, bad cooking, nothing stand out or special, no friends girl who was doing her best to push him away. Have you ever asked why is he even in love with her? What stands out about Mei that the hottest most popular person in school instantly falls in love with her. Maybe he was tired of the beautiful girls who throw themselves at him and just wanted a challenge. Maybe he would have dated any girl who said no to him and seemed like she didn't care. Men are hunters. So yeah its just too unreal but its popular I guess because it every girls fantasy. Firstly, I assumed that by "the hottest guy in school", you meant someone who must be extremely good-looking. That's determined by appearance, obviously. At the same time, you could say there is no limit to the variety of personalities in this world. Which means there is at least one person (or one guy) who would deal with her personality. Both because of the variety of people and that personality and appearance can be completely unrelated (especially if it gets down to genes), it's not that unlikely for the hottest guy in school to deal with her personality. At a young age, Mei lost trust in people around her (episode 1, I believe) and thus didn't want to let anyone get close to her (except for her family, I suppose), which is why she later on chose not to have any friends. She lost that trust because those people didn't treat her well, but that doesn't mean that she has a bad personality. Of course most girls cannot be the most popular girl in school, then everyone would be equally popular. o.o Maybe I'm the one forgetting something here, but this manga is being published in Japan where reading this is common for about everyone. Be it the most popular girl/guy or the least popular girl/guy. The author herself even has a few words regarding this. She says that she suspects there are many girls like Mei around, but making this story sound as if the main purpose was to get girls to read a fairytale and try to realise exactly such a life is dead wrong. There's no problem with fantasising or hope in general, this is fiction, after all. But if you've read that, you would understand that the development of Mei's character is the main idea and focus. As we go along with Mei, and in stories like these you're supposed to symphatise with the protagonist as she has been introduced as a good person and not someone with a bad personality unlike many people around her, a normal reader would want her to take a step forward, cheers her on and struggles alongside her (for example, if this was from Megumi's perspective and we knew about her past beforehand, maybe we wouldn't approve of her interfering with Yamato and Mei etc., but we'd want her to find out what she's doing wrong and become a better person and so on) and in that sense, seeing all those girls - most of them being portrayed with negative traits, maybe superficiality being one of them - getting envious of Mei who we regard as a good person awakens our sense of justice; unless you're a bully yourself, I suppose anyone would want her to receive some sort of recognition, maybe. And exactly that is happening to the Mei who had been bullied constantly, who her classmates had been looking down on. It doesn't really matter who the reader is, although someone who has been through similar things has a more personal connection to everything and thus is more interested in reading it. If the point really was to have the female readers fantasise about something like this, the manga would be very, very different. It's not like Yamato is treating her like a princess or whatever. Most of all, if that was how it is, Mei would have fallen for him after looking at him, nothing more. In the original, the story started in winter, meaning Mei already knew about Yamato's existence months before the story started. Yet she didn't fall for him until then. Later on, the issue with the importance of appearance versus personality is being taken up more often, for example here: Maybe it really seems that different if you haven't read the manga (?), but the only things that could hint towards the author trying to mainly make the readers fantasise about a plain girl getting the good-looking and popular guy at the end of the day is simply Mei being isolated and distrusting at the start of the series and Yamato possessing good looks and being popular. Coming to this conclusion with only that is anything but convincing. In the manga, rather than separating Mei's character development and her relationship with Yamato as it might not appear there's any connection between those, Yamato is being portrayed as the key factor (chapter 20, page 14 and the following pages) that pushes Mei's back and helps her achieve the change she wishes to undergo. But let's look at it in another way: What would change if Yamato wasn't as popular, as good-looking, as nice and even rich as he is? If you think about it, many elements of the story couldn't have happened the way they did: The issues with Arai, with Asami, Aiko, Nagi and Megumi could have never happened. And these are being addressed even later on. All of them have a relation to Yamato and Mei which means a connection to their relationship, some of them even have experiences with bullying/being bullied and all of them have had to deal with what others think of their personalities and appearance. Arai was the girl who only wanted to get close to Yamato after he had become popular and good-looking. I may be wrong after all, but I always assumed it was Arai who allowed Yamato and Mei's relationship to start because her behaviour is contrasting to Mei who was troubled by her feelings toward Yamato. If he hadn't had the aforementioned traits he has, Arai hadn't been as "interested" into him then. Whether the contrast is an addition or not, if Mei hadn't followed Yamato back then because him liking Arai, who was with him due to her interest, made her feel uneasy and unsettled, they would have remained friends. Asami and Aiko were more attracted to his personality because they were rejected by one specific person or several people while Yamato was different from them and accepted them both. If Yamato didn't have such a personality, we wouldn't have seen Asami and Aiko's developments. The only time that he or rather than him his parents are rich has been mentioned was when Mei went over to his house, but the fact that he's rich isn't important at all, however this aspect gained importance in regards to his sister Nagi who earned several fake friends because of that which lead to her negative view of people. If her parents hadn't been rich, she wouldn't have been through this. In other words, if Yamato's family hadn't been rich, we couldn't have been in the position to witness Nagi's character development, although that's only the requirement for Mei's conversation with her which then lead to her change of thinking. Megumi who says that she likes Yamato is more similar to Arai because she wouldn't have looked at Yamato if he possessed ordinary looks and maybe wasn't popular. Whether she really likes him or not, just like then with Aiko, ever since Megumi stepped into the story, Yamato and Mei's relationship (and the other characters, too) faces troubles that we want to see them overcome and grow stronger together. His appearance and personality aren't the only requirements for these incidents. If people like Arai, Aiko and Megumi didn't look down on Yamato's girlfriend but actually thought that Mei was more beautiful than them, that they like her personality, get along with her or whatever, there wouldn't be any conflict. Both Yamato and Mei are necessary to be the way they are for this story about young relationships, bullying, the importance of appearance and personality etc. Nah, there are lots of negative reactions to Yamato's behaviour in the thread. And despite that, he has positive traits, but that doesn't mean that any girl (after considering sexual orientation, that is) would want to have him as her boyfriend. There are lots of "nice guys" complaining that girls don't pay them any attention. If Yamato existed in reality, it's not impossible that he wouldn't even become popular in the first place. Anime targetted toward girls in general would be a bad idea then... There's something else they should do before that, though... This might be a spoiler, so... It's the complete opposite! As mentioned in page 27 of chapter 19 I linked to earlier, Yamato has his own insecurities as well. It mostly has to do with his very own past with Kai, if my memory doesn't fail me. If he was trying so hard, he would talk directly to her more often. I don't think either of them is acting appropriate in situations when they should, but that's why this story is about their growth together, not merely some girls' fantasies. To sum it up: plain-looking, insecure, emo, dramatic, quiet, bad at cooking, not standing out/not special, no friends. I'm not sure what you mean by "emo", but it probably doesn't apply to her anyway. Being quiet and not being special/not standing out/being plain-looking aren't negative traits. Yamato isn't really loud, either... I would say the same about not having friends, but we can replace it with being distrustful. I think her being dramatic is only the impression of some readers/watchers, she's not actually supposed to be that way. (I mean, in manga/anime, no one among ordinary characters usually looks ugly even though there are other characters that actually think so. Sometimes there are characters which are supposed to be good-looking while there are others who the majority of the readers considers much more attractive. Meaning there is a difference between the perception of the readers and of the characters/author) But this could also be the case because it's an adaption :S Then, about her being insecure, as I stated earlier Yamato, too, is insecure in some sense. Now that comparison might not exactly help, however both being insecure and being distrustful of others are the traits that allow her to change. If she was the opposite possessing a high self-esteem, self-confidence etc., there wouldn't be any room for development for the protagonist. Moreover, it seems the author started with this character and continued from there. And about her not being good at cooking, there are two or maybe three reasons for this. Firstly, it's probably unlikely but still possible the author thought if she's already good at bowling, another speciality might be too much in comparison with other characters which don't have any. Secondly, when Nagi was introduced, we learned how she can make stuffed animals herself and is good at cooking which is believable because she's spent quite a long time at home. Later on, the children her age became interested in her because of her hobbies. And now in a more recent chapter, this speciality was necessary for another connection with a new supporting character. she wouldn't be able to improve. Now that Valentine's Day is approaching, Mei shows us and Yamato how she cares about him and tries her best for him, even though she knows she's not good at it. I believe the manga (at least the English translated parts) is currently getting behind why he even likes her, but yes I'm confused about that, too. But now that you made me think about it, unless the female/male lead openly talks about the male/female lead, it rarely happens that explicit reasons for falling in love with the person in question are mentioned. Which is not too surprising considering there are many people who cannot explain love *shrugs* Actually, it is realistic that someone (Yamato) who is constantly being surrounded by the same kinds of people takes an interest in someone different from them (Mei). Well, there are a few occasions which can make me guess which parts of Mei Yamato likes, but nothing definite has been stated, or maybe I'm getting forgetful because of the gap between the releases of the translated chapters. It didn't happen instantly. He wanted to be friends with her at first. Mei might even have felt something for him before Yamato, however didn't realise it. "Challenge" makes his approach sound as if he had ill intentions despite that's clearly not the case -.-, but up until now, it appears he hasn't been in a relationship before he encountered Mei. So we cannot call that a "challenge". And since that rumor with him having kissed every single girl in school isn't true (just a few weeks ago I thought so, too, but ever since what happened with Hayakawa whom I completely forgot about appeared in the anime, the fact that Yamato doesn't get intimate with every single girl he meets unlike the former proves it wrong), he cannot get tired of them in the first place. He might be too nice to people who cling onto him whether that's because he's popular, good-looking or they're attracted to his personality. When Megumi confessed but later apologised, he forgave her too so I don't think he'd outright tell them to leave unless they acted improperly before and don't apologise or so (being nice or polite to such an extent might be a negative trait as it makes him dishonest). As mentioned in the anime and in one of the links to the manga before, he considers personality more important. He probably would have taken an interest in another girl at that time too but then he might have lost that later on. If Mei turned out to be a person he finds himself not being able of getting along with or rather than that being different from his expectations, he'd stop the relationship. As I said before, I assumed that it was because of Arai that he fell in love with her, but because he's mentioned Mei's kick like three times now throughout the series, it might have started with an interest which made him want to be friends with her and then he became infatuated with her as he noticed she was in love with him. The contrast with Arai would at least give more meaning to her existence, lol. But rather than that, he was already (slightly) interested in her before that. (I don't remember anymore if that was skipped in the anime...) Yeah... surely that generalisation will be of help. Something that hasn't been addressed in the anime as much in the manga is that Mei was said to have become more beautiful by others. Her appearance doesn't particularly change, well she doesn't have as short hair as in the beginning anymore and now that she goes on dates and all that, the outfits she picks out are more feminine than in the beginning, too. But rather than describing her as ugly, I think her appearance is/was ordinary because if I remember correctly, the only times when (not sure if it even happened at all) someone insulted her regarding her looks, it was because she started a relationship with Yamato and the girls were envious. From the way I see it, in order to look as beautiful as she's beginning to be now, she doesn't need a makeover, but opening up to people and changing as she does right now as in being happy who she is and all that made her have "that certain something". Perhaps it's as if she went from merely existing to living. I think people see SINY. as a realistic manga/anime because of the characters. In this series, there are many kinds of people that we might have met in and recognise from our very own lives. The girl who has no friends, who believes that in the end, people will only betray each other. The popular, good-looking guy in school who is nice because he helps others with their problems yet (partially also because of this) has problems on his own. comes from a poor family, was called ugly and looked down on, becomes beautiful through the power of make-up and popular as a sort of revenge but turned into a superficial person since she still hasn't come to terms with her past. was bullied, then gives it his all to one day get back to these delinquents, but then realises that he doesn't need "revenge". Yoruko- said: but once the episode is over and you go back to the real world how well do you think you can apply those lessons learned? If you are plain dramatic and anti social like Mei how many rich handsome great hearted model Yamatos in the world have come into your life to save you from all your hopelessness? In school how often do we see the hot guy all the girls want dating the loser girl nobody knows or cares about? It just doesn't happen but it gives girls hope their rich handsome prince is coming even if they are ordinary, plain and melodramatic and push him away. So to you a series is only realistic if what happens in the story there actually happens in real life? And that has to apply to absolutely everything, otherwise it's not realistic? What people consider realistic in this series doesn't even have to be the oh so rich and handsome male model with awesome hair forming a relationship with the oh so dramatic, emo, ordinary, quiet girl without any friends. There is more to this manga than this. I think I read a spoiler that now another hot great guy is about to fall in love with Mei. I'm sorry but we will just have to agree to disagree here. I respect your opinion however and thank you for writing me. I think the best fiction no matter how unrealistic it is like star wars, the best can make you feel like its real or that it could happen. At this point and now with another beautiful hot model guy about to fall in love with Mei if thats true, I think star wars is more likely to happen rather than the plot of this story. And yes realism in a romance story aimed at young girls is important I think because things like this help in developing their character. Which is probably why in Japan if you want to date a Japanese girl you better have $$$ and be able to provide HER a nice life. You even see this in most dramas where the girls always want to marry a rich handsome guy. (of course not every single girl is like this but yeah if you watch kekkon shinai check out the main characters co worker friend who won't even look at a guy if he's just a part time worker. this is realistically the case in the real world commonly known by Japanese men) I don't think thats the right outlook to have but it is common among Japanese girls and I think series like this help to fuel that superficiality. But again if people want to believe in this I won't rain on there parade, in fact it is quite interesting to me how many people eat this up despite how, in my opinion, it so obviously feeds and preys upon young girls superficial hopes and dreams. |
YorukkoNov 28, 2012 4:57 AM
Nov 28, 2012 6:33 AM
#109
^ I feel like I wrote all that for nothing... Whatever, I'm glad I took the time to think more about everything in SINY, I feel like I like this series more now, lol. At the same time, to be honest I cannot find much worth replying in your post... :S Except for those superficial dreams maybe, as the author digs up almost each character's past and personality which leaves no room for such a thing. But to sum it up, this series being realistic or not might depend on what you consider realistic so it's a subjective matter. Still, whether this "hope" or "fantasy" for the readers is intentional or not -- since whether the author likes it or not, the main couple's relationship at the very least seeming that way is a by-product -- with the author's note I linked to earlier, the main point being a "fantasy" is wrong. Even if I tried my best to look at it this way, there is no focus on such a thing whatsoever, either. |
Nov 28, 2012 12:46 PM
#110
Yamato asked her twice if everything was ok and she declined and told him he was creepy for looking at her and wanting to kiss her. She's lying to everyone around her and then accusing him of not being honest with her. What a bitch. At least she realizes it. On the other hand, maybe that's worse: behaving like a douche while knowing about it. Yamato may be clueless and thoughtless, but at least he started acting and changed something as soon as he realized. Why is everyone jumping on every fault Yamato makes and ignoring Mei's behaviour? |
Nov 28, 2012 1:53 PM
#111
Their communication problems really irritates me. Another thing, Mei is just SO quiet. I really hope that she'll open up more for Yamato so she'll be able to tell him things that makes her sad. The ending of the episode was really great though, seems like they got much closer now. I also loved to see Yamato show so much emotions, he seemed so afraid to lose Mei. |
Nov 29, 2012 7:22 AM
#112
Face_Faith said: ^ I feel like I wrote all that for nothing... Whatever, I'm glad I took the time to think more about everything in SINY, I feel like I like this series more now, lol. At the same time, to be honest I cannot find much worth replying in your post... :S Except for those superficial dreams maybe, as the author digs up almost each character's past and personality which leaves no room for such a thing. But to sum it up, this series being realistic or not might depend on what you consider realistic so it's a subjective matter. Still, whether this "hope" or "fantasy" for the readers is intentional or not -- since whether the author likes it or not, the main couple's relationship at the very least seeming that way is a by-product -- with the author's note I linked to earlier, the main point being a "fantasy" is wrong. Even if I tried my best to look at it this way, there is no focus on such a thing whatsoever, either. Its ok you don't have to reply I already succeeded to your points anyway and said we would just agree to disagree. It ok everyone has their own opinion. I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to when you mention fantasy. If you're talking about when I said its the fantasy of most girls that no matter how plain and ordinary they are even if they have a poor personality their rich handsome prince will save them and love them and make them better, then yes hard to image a girl who would not want this scenario and that is exactly what this series bottom lines to. Sure there are alot of backstories, and character development, and plot revelations that stir up peoples emotions. But the bottom line is the same as it is in the 100 other anime and dramas I could probably name off the top of my head aimed at fantasizing girls that have the same plot. Plain ordinary bad manners antisocial outcast girl ends up with rich (theres always rich) handsome beautiful great heart guy all the other girls want but can't get who sees her for the diamond in the rough she may not even realize she is. Since you are liking this story more and more I can literally link you to at least 15 or 20 more just like it so you can enjoy those too. In fact if you're watching this then you're probably also watching Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun which is also airing this season which is pretty much the exact same setup, anti social girl pushing away the most beautiful guy in the school but he still loves her and is chasing after her. Check it out. Its the same thing, that series at least has some comedy though you can enjoy while watching the stereotypical girl rich guy fantasy. Also if you watch drama watch anything Maki Horikta has been in. Its also the same exact setup. I think one of her last ones she was actually a homeless girl who ended up in a whole house of beautiful men and ofc her inner beauty shined through her rags and they made her into a beautiful girl who ended up with the rich handsome guy. Sorry but Sukitte is a clone of hundreds of other series just like it, mainly dramas. Which is why girls typically like drama more than anime. As far as the realism you mentioned, I'll make you a deal. If you in real life start acting overly dramatic and antisocial don't care much about dressing up your appearance ect and two beautiful models come into your life and fall in love with you, fight for you, then I will conclude that you were right and I was wrong. In fact if that happens to me, or anyone in this forum, or any of your friends and family, or anyone else you know, or if even you hear about it from someone who told someone who told someone and no one can remember who the actual people involved were then I will still accept it. |
Nov 29, 2012 11:35 AM
#113
Hoping for MeiXKai, although I know that won't happen. |
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Nov 29, 2012 12:14 PM
#114
I'll admit it. I shed manly tears at the end, there. That revelation of where the two of them are in their relationship was very well done and especially touching. Mei's final comment was really revealing, and gives a whole new way of looking at their relationship. |
Nov 30, 2012 7:26 AM
#116
JennyEsquire said: Hoping for MeiXKai, although I know that won't happen. why? that would not feel right at all..... mei is a recluse and yamato helped her break that shell for another guy to come and take her away is like............taking her virginity if that makes any sense to you lol |
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Nov 30, 2012 2:21 PM
#117
Yoruko- said: Its ok you don't have to reply I already succeeded to your points anyway and said we would just agree to disagree. It ok everyone has their own opinion. I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to when you mention fantasy. If you're talking about when I said its the fantasy of most girls that no matter how plain and ordinary they are even if they have a poor personality their rich handsome prince will save them and love them and make them better, then yes hard to image a girl who would not want this scenario and that is exactly what this series bottom lines to. Sure there are alot of backstories, and character development, and plot revelations that stir up peoples emotions. But the bottom line is the same as it is in the 100 other anime and dramas I could probably name off the top of my head aimed at fantasizing girls that have the same plot. Plain ordinary bad manners antisocial outcast girl ends up with rich (theres always rich) handsome beautiful great heart guy all the other girls want but can't get who sees her for the diamond in the rough she may not even realize she is. Since you are liking this story more and more I can literally link you to at least 15 or 20 more just like it so you can enjoy those too. In fact if you're watching this then you're probably also watching Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun which is also airing this season which is pretty much the exact same setup, anti social girl pushing away the most beautiful guy in the school but he still loves her and is chasing after her. Check it out. Its the same thing, that series at least has some comedy though you can enjoy while watching the stereotypical girl rich guy fantasy. Also if you watch drama watch anything Maki Horikta has been in. Its also the same exact setup. I think one of her last ones she was actually a homeless girl who ended up in a whole house of beautiful men and ofc her inner beauty shined through her rags and they made her into a beautiful girl who ended up with the rich handsome guy. Sorry but Sukitte is a clone of hundreds of other series just like it, mainly dramas. Which is why girls typically like drama more than anime. As far as the realism you mentioned, I'll make you a deal. If you in real life start acting overly dramatic and antisocial don't care much about dressing up your appearance ect and two beautiful models come into your life and fall in love with you, fight for you, then I will conclude that you were right and I was wrong. In fact if that happens to me, or anyone in this forum, or any of your friends and family, or anyone else you know, or if even you hear about it from someone who told someone who told someone and no one can remember who the actual people involved were then I will still accept it. I never assumed I was obligated to, rather I chose to. Yes, everyone has one, which is why I don't care about the realism matter anymore as it might have to do with one's point of view, although it's not like there's nothing to argue about. However, you also claimed that this series' point was to create those fantasies for the female readers which is not a matter of opinion. The mangaka either decided this is the point or not (the anime producers' stance is of course different as they're different people, but changing the message would be a bad idea for any series, so that's unlikely...). Now we are not in the place to ask her or the anime staff, however I think it's obvious from reading/watching it, but even if you disagree with that there is still the note of the author which clearly states why she wanted to create this work. If she had wanted to make girls believe "beautiful, rich [...] guys will come your way no matter what kind of [bad] personality you have", she would have clearly used Megumi as the protagonist as she's a character bad traits have been attributed to purposely what the reader/watcher is expected to dislike. That would be a much better example than using Mei. Yes, that's what I meant by "fantasy". Even if they'd meet a nice guy at some point, I think anyone would prefer a life without bullying and all that. But that's not for me to decide, and even if they'd prefer a life like Mei's, preferring it doesn't mean that Yamato, Mei and possibly others were designed the way they have been for this purpose. The focus is on their pasts and all that, there was never one on making Yamato the fantasy of the female readers. Unless we're watching different anime...? Now that would explain everything. But if there's something to back up that statement of yours, I'd be eager to hear read it. How does she have bad manners? I said I liked it more after finding out about all these connections the author created which was obvious during typing the reply, in other words I wasn't talking about those delusions you keep writing about (that behaviour reminds me of another user with a very similar provocative and mocking choice of words. For some reason I keep encountering them... ಠ_ಠ); I initially didn't think everything was connected like this, that's something many if not most other shoujo/romance manga don't have. So you usually read this kind of thing to criticise it later on? How amusing. No, I'll have to pass on that, I prefer choosing what I read/watch by myself and aside from that, my PTR list consists of almost 1600 entries so there's more than enough already. No, I started reading the manga and watched a few episodes, however I feel like continuing neither as it didn't pique my interest. You seem to know a lot about this "same" kind of anime, I wonder how you don't get disappointed by that. How can you tell Mei (who you're obviously referring to) never cared about her appearance? Not being the most beautiful person on this planet (as she was only referred to as not particularly pretty at first) doesn't mean you don't care about your appearance, after all she did plan to have her hair cut which suggests the opposite of your assumption. Two models? So now Megumi has fallen in love with Mei, too? As I mentioned earlier, I'm not really bothered by the question whether this is a realistic series or not anymore and aside from that, I wouldn't go to such great lengths just to have someone agree with me which wouldn't make any difference to me, anyway. |
Nov 30, 2012 3:22 PM
#118
I was getting kind of frustrated with Yamato and how he was being so oblivious to how his girlfriend felt, if she says "it's okay" but looks miserable while saying it, you should know it's anything but "okay." When the other girl said he was being "cocky" I agreed, He may have every female character at his feet in this show..but as soon as he is in a serious relationship..his main priority should be Mei! It makes me so annoyed, guys in RL aren't this dum right? that model chick (Megumi?) isn't being "nice" to you so you can be "just friends" so ovbious, and the end where she called Yamato she showed her true self, that evil frown.(these female characters annoy me so much, you know, the ones that are all creepily cute and innocent, everyone loves them, and their usually after the main girl's man.) BUT the ending made up for my previous frustrations, I am forgetting that Yamato is just as innocent as Mei when it comes to love, so it's not his fault. Future struggles ahead, but it would be boring if everything is perfect and no one made mistakes, right? Overall, sad episode, the main couple are in tears..I want more cute moments >:[. I haven't read the manga, but the mohawk guy (Takemura) might play a important role, I'll just have to wait and see. |
Dec 2, 2012 3:38 AM
#119
This show is way too dramatic for me. That last scene made me want to rip my hair out. |
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Dec 2, 2012 11:06 AM
#120
Face_Faith said: Yoruko- said: Its ok you don't have to reply I already succeeded to your points anyway and said we would just agree to disagree. It ok everyone has their own opinion. I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to when you mention fantasy. If you're talking about when I said its the fantasy of most girls that no matter how plain and ordinary they are even if they have a poor personality their rich handsome prince will save them and love them and make them better, then yes hard to image a girl who would not want this scenario and that is exactly what this series bottom lines to. Sure there are alot of backstories, and character development, and plot revelations that stir up peoples emotions. But the bottom line is the same as it is in the 100 other anime and dramas I could probably name off the top of my head aimed at fantasizing girls that have the same plot. Plain ordinary bad manners antisocial outcast girl ends up with rich (theres always rich) handsome beautiful great heart guy all the other girls want but can't get who sees her for the diamond in the rough she may not even realize she is. Since you are liking this story more and more I can literally link you to at least 15 or 20 more just like it so you can enjoy those too. In fact if you're watching this then you're probably also watching Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun which is also airing this season which is pretty much the exact same setup, anti social girl pushing away the most beautiful guy in the school but he still loves her and is chasing after her. Check it out. Its the same thing, that series at least has some comedy though you can enjoy while watching the stereotypical girl rich guy fantasy. Also if you watch drama watch anything Maki Horikta has been in. Its also the same exact setup. I think one of her last ones she was actually a homeless girl who ended up in a whole house of beautiful men and ofc her inner beauty shined through her rags and they made her into a beautiful girl who ended up with the rich handsome guy. Sorry but Sukitte is a clone of hundreds of other series just like it, mainly dramas. Which is why girls typically like drama more than anime. As far as the realism you mentioned, I'll make you a deal. If you in real life start acting overly dramatic and antisocial don't care much about dressing up your appearance ect and two beautiful models come into your life and fall in love with you, fight for you, then I will conclude that you were right and I was wrong. In fact if that happens to me, or anyone in this forum, or any of your friends and family, or anyone else you know, or if even you hear about it from someone who told someone who told someone and no one can remember who the actual people involved were then I will still accept it. I never assumed I was obligated to, rather I chose to. Yes, everyone has one, which is why I don't care about the realism matter anymore as it might have to do with one's point of view, although it's not like there's nothing to argue about. However, you also claimed that this series' point was to create those fantasies for the female readers which is not a matter of opinion. The mangaka either decided this is the point or not (the anime producers' stance is of course different as they're different people, but changing the message would be a bad idea for any series, so that's unlikely...). Now we are not in the place to ask her or the anime staff, however I think it's obvious from reading/watching it, but even if you disagree with that there is still the note of the author which clearly states why she wanted to create this work. If she had wanted to make girls believe "beautiful, rich [...] guys will come your way no matter what kind of [bad] personality you have", she would have clearly used Megumi as the protagonist as she's a character bad traits have been attributed to purposely what the reader/watcher is expected to dislike. That would be a much better example than using Mei. Yes, that's what I meant by "fantasy". Even if they'd meet a nice guy at some point, I think anyone would prefer a life without bullying and all that. But that's not for me to decide, and even if they'd prefer a life like Mei's, preferring it doesn't mean that Yamato, Mei and possibly others were designed the way they have been for this purpose. The focus is on their pasts and all that, there was never one on making Yamato the fantasy of the female readers. Unless we're watching different anime...? Now that would explain everything. But if there's something to back up that statement of yours, I'd be eager to hear read it. How does she have bad manners? I said I liked it more after finding out about all these connections the author created which was obvious during typing the reply, in other words I wasn't talking about those delusions you keep writing about (that behaviour reminds me of another user with a very similar provocative and mocking choice of words. For some reason I keep encountering them... ಠ_ಠ); I initially didn't think everything was connected like this, that's something many if not most other shoujo/romance manga don't have. So you usually read this kind of thing to criticise it later on? How amusing. No, I'll have to pass on that, I prefer choosing what I read/watch by myself and aside from that, my PTR list consists of almost 1600 entries so there's more than enough already. No, I started reading the manga and watched a few episodes, however I feel like continuing neither as it didn't pique my interest. You seem to know a lot about this "same" kind of anime, I wonder how you don't get disappointed by that. How can you tell Mei (who you're obviously referring to) never cared about her appearance? Not being the most beautiful person on this planet (as she was only referred to as not particularly pretty at first) doesn't mean you don't care about your appearance, after all she did plan to have her hair cut which suggests the opposite of your assumption. Two models? So now Megumi has fallen in love with Mei, too? As I mentioned earlier, I'm not really bothered by the question whether this is a realistic series or not anymore and aside from that, I wouldn't go to such great lengths just to have someone agree with me which wouldn't make any difference to me, anyway. If you don't want to keep encountering them maybe you shouldn't quote them? Ok obviously your feelings are hurt so we'll end the conversation here. I'm not going to return insults back and forth over anime =_=. Its a shoujo series aimed specifically at young girls where a nobody girl gets the most handsome rich popular guy in school to fall in love with her. If you can't see whats obvious here then I can't help you. Id assume and hope most can see the stereotypical setup aimed specifically at them to get their money and just enjoy it anyway for what it is,[like how guys know a harem anime where its one guy and lots of girls after him is a stereotypical setup aimed specifically for guys to buy, they know it and buy it anyway but at least they realize their fantasies are obviously being targeted.] but to say this shoujo is something so much more and deep and meaningful when again, [its a story aimed at young girls + nobody girl gets beautiful popular guy] I think is exactly what the author and animators want little girl fans to believe as they are collecting their money. Of course the author is not going to outwardly say, hey everyone, I know girls with low self esteem or who feel like they are nobodys will love to be in/fantasize over/read about a situation where the most beautiful popular rich guy in the school falls in love with them because he was wow'd over how you kicked him and fell head over heels for you. So Im writing this story because its so obvious it'll be popular to a certain demographic and type of girl. The reason the other girl was not chosen over Mei is because girls are not like her and can't relate. Shes really cute, bubbly personality, big breasts, cares about and tries to help her friends, tries her best to be hopeful and optimistic, tries to smile through her hard times, and gets a regular guy, not the most beautiful or cool acting, to fall in love with her and she accepts. Who will buy that manga?????? Most girls can't relate to her no. So the manga is about a PLAIN girl nothing fancy or special or overly cute, plain boyish body, no friends the few she does talk to she pushes off even when they worry over her, shes pessimistic overly dramatic can't critically think or understand why people are the way they are and learn how to get some people skills, instead just sulks and whines and turns her back on people and the world, can't deal with problems, but still gets the most beautiful popular guy being lazy not having to try hard or do anything special to get the most amazing guy in school to notice her, the most effort she puts in is actually pushing him away. No visible good points, doesn't even need to know how to cook, doesn't have to try to be cute, oh she cut her hair but that was after he was already desperately chasing her. And no matter how lazy, how little effort, how little it took for him to fall for her, how plain, how overly dramatic, how terrible her people skills, and poorly she treats her friends, how much she can't handle her own people problems, ect ect this amazing guy still chases and chases and chases her. NO MATTER WHAT. Now which of those two setups do you think is relateable to how girls really are and dream of? Which one do you think is going to sell better? Can you seriously not see why girls love this manga and why is popular? Of course they will throw in backstories and "meaningful" reasons to explain away the superficiality, obvious targeting, and stereotypical setup and the purpose of that is to make girls feel comfortable accepting their superficial fantasies giving them an excuse to indulge in their prince charming dreams, I guess most girls dont care about realism as long as it involves prince charming. Sugar coating it making it seem like theres more meaning than their actually is when they don't realize their subconscious is being filled with this worthless beautiful rich popular guy theme. Which I see works with some people. I don't get disappointed because I don't usually care enough to continue watching obviously pandering stories like this. I continued with this one because I am open minded and try not to judge a book by its cover and give things a chance, but it ended up being as predictable as all other series like it. Nothing new here. I'll finish it but only because I don't like to strt so many episodes in and not finish it. Or some stories even though it has the same theme may be unique and compelling in other ways. Or like in the situation is tonari no kaibutsukun its at least funny and fun to watch even if your not a 10 year old girl fantasizing and waiting for rich prince charming. I'm not talking about Megumi Im talking about the new guy character who wanted her charm I said I thought maybe I read a spoiler that he falls in love with her too. Are you even reading what I write or just thinking about what you want to say regardless. Im not trying to get you to agree with me, in fact I want you to keep your current mindset because I can write a story just as obvious and a character just as stereotypical as Mei and I want your money. So keep your way of thinking so I can count on your sale in the future. People like you are no different than TWILIGHT fans lol. And twilight made millions so yeah I need to start taking fantasizing girls money like this too. If they don't care about realism then loser anti social girl, beautiful popular guy is what it takes than its what I'll start writing lol. Which I'm sure was the same thinking as Sukiites author. Maybe your point would be stronger if it wasn't for the fact I could names dozens of series just like this. Why don't you ask yourself why most romance Shoujo manga, anime, and romance dramas involve a plain girl by some strange miracle set of circumstances getting the beautiful popular cool acting rich guy all the girls love. Why you are defending this story thats been done hundreds of times before, and actually done more realistically and in a way it doesn't have to target young immature minded 10-18 year old girls, I'll never understand. Well actually I do understand, you're just another twilight-like fan. At least twilight was more fun to watch than this though haha. |
Dec 2, 2012 11:08 AM
#121
Dec 2, 2012 12:55 PM
#122
Dec 3, 2012 3:58 PM
#123
Anna_Hiwatari said: me too :/When he started to cry I totally broke! damn these feels!! ;A; |
Dec 4, 2012 7:29 AM
#124
Weird ending sentence. "Amateurs in love"? Wasn't Yamato idol of all girls before? He should have more experience with dating them. |
Dec 4, 2012 9:12 AM
#125
@ Yoruko-: Yoruko- said: If you don't want to keep encountering them maybe you shouldn't quote them? Ok obviously your feelings are hurt so we'll end the conversation here. I'm not going to return insults back and forth over anime =_=. Its a shoujo series aimed specifically at young girls where a nobody girl gets the most handsome rich popular guy in school to fall in love with her. If you can't see whats obvious here then I can't help you. Id assume and hope most can see the stereotypical setup aimed specifically at them to get their money and just enjoy it anyway for what it is,[like how guys know a harem anime where its one guy and lots of girls after him is a stereotypical setup aimed specifically for guys to buy, they know it and buy it anyway but at least they realize their fantasies are obviously being targeted.] but to say this shoujo is something so much more and deep and meaningful when again, [its a story aimed at young girls + nobody girl gets beautiful popular guy] I think is exactly what the author and animators want little girl fans to believe as they are collecting their money. Of course the author is not going to outwardly say, hey everyone, I know girls with low self esteem or who feel like they are nobodys will love to be in/fantasize over/read about a situation where the most beautiful popular rich guy in the school falls in love with them because he was wow'd over how you kicked him and fell head over heels for you. So Im writing this story because its so obvious it'll be popular to a certain demographic and type of girl. The reason the other girl was not chosen over Mei is because girls are not like her and can't relate. Shes really cute, bubbly personality, big breasts, cares about and tries to help her friends, tries her best to be hopeful and optimistic, tries to smile through her hard times, and gets a regular guy, not the most beautiful or cool acting, to fall in love with her and she accepts. Who will buy that manga?????? Most girls can't relate to her no. So the manga is about a PLAIN girl nothing fancy or special or overly cute, plain boyish body, no friends the few she does talk to she pushes off even when they worry over her, shes pessimistic overly dramatic can't critically think or understand why people are the way they are and learn how to get some people skills, instead just sulks and whines and turns her back on people and the world, can't deal with problems, but still gets the most beautiful popular guy being lazy not having to try hard or do anything special to get the most amazing guy in school to notice her, the most effort she puts in is actually pushing him away. No visible good points, doesn't even need to know how to cook, doesn't have to try to be cute, oh she cut her hair but that was after he was already desperately chasing her. And no matter how lazy, how little effort, how little it took for him to fall for her, how plain, how overly dramatic, how terrible her people skills, and poorly she treats her friends, how much she can't handle her own people problems, ect ect this amazing guy still chases and chases and chases her. NO MATTER WHAT. Now which of those two setups do you think is relateable to how girls really are and dream of? Which one do you think is going to sell better? Can you seriously not see why girls love this manga and why is popular? Of course they will throw in backstories and "meaningful" reasons to explain away the superficiality, obvious targeting, and stereotypical setup and the purpose of that is to make girls feel comfortable accepting their superficial fantasies giving them an excuse to indulge in their prince charming dreams, I guess most girls dont care about realism as long as it involves prince charming. Sugar coating it making it seem like theres more meaning than their actually is when they don't realize their subconscious is being filled with this worthless beautiful rich popular guy theme. Which I see works with some people. I don't get disappointed because I don't usually care enough to continue watching obviously pandering stories like this. I continued with this one because I am open minded and try not to judge a book by its cover and give things a chance, but it ended up being as predictable as all other series like it. Nothing new here. I'll finish it but only because I don't like to strt so many episodes in and not finish it. Or some stories even though it has the same theme may be unique and compelling in other ways. Or like in the situation is tonari no kaibutsukun its at least funny and fun to watch even if your not a 10 year old girl fantasizing and waiting for rich prince charming. I'm not talking about Megumi Im talking about the new guy character who wanted her charm I said I thought maybe I read a spoiler that he falls in love with her too. Are you even reading what I write or just thinking about what you want to say regardless. Im not trying to get you to agree with me, in fact I want you to keep your current mindset because I can write a story just as obvious and a character just as stereotypical as Mei and I want your money. So keep your way of thinking so I can count on your sale in the future. People like you are no different than TWILIGHT fans lol. And twilight made millions so yeah I need to start taking fantasizing girls money like this too. If they don't care about realism then loser anti social girl, beautiful popular guy is what it takes than its what I'll start writing lol. Which I'm sure was the same thinking as Sukiites author. Maybe your point would be stronger if it wasn't for the fact I could names dozens of series just like this. Why don't you ask yourself why most romance Shoujo manga, anime, and romance dramas involve a plain girl by some strange miracle set of circumstances getting the beautiful popular cool acting rich guy all the girls love. Why you are defending this story thats been done hundreds of times before, and actually done more realistically and in a way it doesn't have to target young immature minded 10-18 year old girls, I'll never understand. Well actually I do understand, you're just another twilight-like fan. At least twilight was more fun to watch than this though haha. Although I never said I didn't want to encounter them, I would never discuss if I simply backed off because people disagree with me ._. At some point I added them to the ignore list because there was no use talking and others had the same problem with them, but there's nothing wrong with trying before that. But if the quoting bothers you so much, you can ignore it just as well... Even though you say that, clearly there's a huge wall of text behind this. So I guess I'll reply. And that's just the way of talking to someone I pointed out *shrugs* Isn't the one who feels that way you rather than me? After all, it seems that was still stuck in your head even though it was somewhere in the middle of my text. I already explained the necessity of that earlier in the long text with the many spoilers, but it seems you don't care. If that was how it is, there wouldn't be any note at all. There are as many girls like Mei as there are like Megumi, personality-wise at the least, although there may be more like Megumi however only less extreme. Is that description about Megumi or a character you just made up? o.o If it's Megumi, then you may ask yourself that question as you are the one who said this series is supposed to show that no matter how bad the female reader's personality (+ looks, but changing that along with her importance in the story isn't a problem) is, she'll get some handsome, rich and popular guy or whatever. So you're saying that most girls are plain? ._. Thanks for that unreasonable description, but it's not really needed... If you had watched episode 9, you would already know Yamato's point of view concerning Mei and her traits, Instead all that remains is your exaggerated negative opinion. I won't even point every single thing out (again)... No, you said the aim of this manga was to demonstrate or make the female readers believe that despite many negative traits, they'd end up with a handsome, rich and popular guy just like it happens with the characters in the series. Showing that is easier using Megumi rather than Mei because the former is introduced as a bad person. As I said, there was never any sort of focus on such a thing -- unlike on the pasts and all that. And how can Yamato be a "Prince Charming" if he himself has a past he (or anyone) rather wouldn't have? You bring up "don't judge a book by its cover" even though all you see is "female loner meets Prince Charming" concerning this manga. ._. But Kai isn't a model... He doesn't even look like one. Although that might be just me... As I mentioned earlier, what keeps me reading (watching) this isn't the "female loner meets Prince Charming" concept you see but the teenagers' connections, their pasts, how they develop etc. It's the author's way to portray (their) youth that interests me. I've neither read/watched that nor do I know what the fans of Twilight are like, so I wouldn't know. *shrugs* I'll be looking forward to the results~ If there are so many series similar to this one as in sharing a female protagonist who doesn't have any friends, isn't particularly pretty etc. and a handsome, popular, rich male character who ends up with her, there is not really a problem with that. The fact that there are many series like that might mean that this setting is popular or whatever, but it doesn't indicate that the author of this series intended to have the effect on her (female) readers you claim it has. Again, this is about Sukitte Ii Na Yo, not some other manga. That has no relation to this whatsoever. If I believe I'm right, I will naturally state why. Yeah, using an ad hominem attack made your post so much more mature. Of course it did. ¬_¬ |
Dec 4, 2012 8:33 PM
#126
Dec 7, 2012 2:05 AM
#127
why do every shoujo anime have hottest guy, charming prince as a mc? Couldn't he be a normal boy, who first falling in love? And, this just keep dragging on, problems from the tiniest misunderstanding. This follows common, cliche shoujo route. |
Dec 7, 2012 11:46 AM
#128
Face_Faith said: @ Yoruko-: Yoruko- said: If you don't want to keep encountering them maybe you shouldn't quote them? Ok obviously your feelings are hurt so we'll end the conversation here. I'm not going to return insults back and forth over anime =_=. Its a shoujo series aimed specifically at young girls where a nobody girl gets the most handsome rich popular guy in school to fall in love with her. If you can't see whats obvious here then I can't help you. Id assume and hope most can see the stereotypical setup aimed specifically at them to get their money and just enjoy it anyway for what it is,[like how guys know a harem anime where its one guy and lots of girls after him is a stereotypical setup aimed specifically for guys to buy, they know it and buy it anyway but at least they realize their fantasies are obviously being targeted.] but to say this shoujo is something so much more and deep and meaningful when again, [its a story aimed at young girls + nobody girl gets beautiful popular guy] I think is exactly what the author and animators want little girl fans to believe as they are collecting their money. Of course the author is not going to outwardly say, hey everyone, I know girls with low self esteem or who feel like they are nobodys will love to be in/fantasize over/read about a situation where the most beautiful popular rich guy in the school falls in love with them because he was wow'd over how you kicked him and fell head over heels for you. So Im writing this story because its so obvious it'll be popular to a certain demographic and type of girl. The reason the other girl was not chosen over Mei is because girls are not like her and can't relate. Shes really cute, bubbly personality, big breasts, cares about and tries to help her friends, tries her best to be hopeful and optimistic, tries to smile through her hard times, and gets a regular guy, not the most beautiful or cool acting, to fall in love with her and she accepts. Who will buy that manga?????? Most girls can't relate to her no. So the manga is about a PLAIN girl nothing fancy or special or overly cute, plain boyish body, no friends the few she does talk to she pushes off even when they worry over her, shes pessimistic overly dramatic can't critically think or understand why people are the way they are and learn how to get some people skills, instead just sulks and whines and turns her back on people and the world, can't deal with problems, but still gets the most beautiful popular guy being lazy not having to try hard or do anything special to get the most amazing guy in school to notice her, the most effort she puts in is actually pushing him away. No visible good points, doesn't even need to know how to cook, doesn't have to try to be cute, oh she cut her hair but that was after he was already desperately chasing her. And no matter how lazy, how little effort, how little it took for him to fall for her, how plain, how overly dramatic, how terrible her people skills, and poorly she treats her friends, how much she can't handle her own people problems, ect ect this amazing guy still chases and chases and chases her. NO MATTER WHAT. Now which of those two setups do you think is relateable to how girls really are and dream of? Which one do you think is going to sell better? Can you seriously not see why girls love this manga and why is popular? Of course they will throw in backstories and "meaningful" reasons to explain away the superficiality, obvious targeting, and stereotypical setup and the purpose of that is to make girls feel comfortable accepting their superficial fantasies giving them an excuse to indulge in their prince charming dreams, I guess most girls dont care about realism as long as it involves prince charming. Sugar coating it making it seem like theres more meaning than their actually is when they don't realize their subconscious is being filled with this worthless beautiful rich popular guy theme. Which I see works with some people. I don't get disappointed because I don't usually care enough to continue watching obviously pandering stories like this. I continued with this one because I am open minded and try not to judge a book by its cover and give things a chance, but it ended up being as predictable as all other series like it. Nothing new here. I'll finish it but only because I don't like to strt so many episodes in and not finish it. Or some stories even though it has the same theme may be unique and compelling in other ways. Or like in the situation is tonari no kaibutsukun its at least funny and fun to watch even if your not a 10 year old girl fantasizing and waiting for rich prince charming. I'm not talking about Megumi Im talking about the new guy character who wanted her charm I said I thought maybe I read a spoiler that he falls in love with her too. Are you even reading what I write or just thinking about what you want to say regardless. Im not trying to get you to agree with me, in fact I want you to keep your current mindset because I can write a story just as obvious and a character just as stereotypical as Mei and I want your money. So keep your way of thinking so I can count on your sale in the future. People like you are no different than TWILIGHT fans lol. And twilight made millions so yeah I need to start taking fantasizing girls money like this too. If they don't care about realism then loser anti social girl, beautiful popular guy is what it takes than its what I'll start writing lol. Which I'm sure was the same thinking as Sukiites author. Maybe your point would be stronger if it wasn't for the fact I could names dozens of series just like this. Why don't you ask yourself why most romance Shoujo manga, anime, and romance dramas involve a plain girl by some strange miracle set of circumstances getting the beautiful popular cool acting rich guy all the girls love. Why you are defending this story thats been done hundreds of times before, and actually done more realistically and in a way it doesn't have to target young immature minded 10-18 year old girls, I'll never understand. Well actually I do understand, you're just another twilight-like fan. At least twilight was more fun to watch than this though haha. Although I never said I didn't want to encounter them, I would never discuss if I simply backed off because people disagree with me ._. At some point I added them to the ignore list because there was no use talking and others had the same problem with them, but there's nothing wrong with trying before that. But if the quoting bothers you so much, you can ignore it just as well... Even though you say that, clearly there's a huge wall of text behind this. So I guess I'll reply. And that's just the way of talking to someone I pointed out *shrugs* Isn't the one who feels that way you rather than me? After all, it seems that was still stuck in your head even though it was somewhere in the middle of my text. I already explained the necessity of that earlier in the long text with the many spoilers, but it seems you don't care. If that was how it is, there wouldn't be any note at all. There are as many girls like Mei as there are like Megumi, personality-wise at the least, although there may be more like Megumi however only less extreme. Is that description about Megumi or a character you just made up? o.o If it's Megumi, then you may ask yourself that question as you are the one who said this series is supposed to show that no matter how bad the female reader's personality (+ looks, but changing that along with her importance in the story isn't a problem) is, she'll get some handsome, rich and popular guy or whatever. So you're saying that most girls are plain? ._. Thanks for that unreasonable description, but it's not really needed... If you had watched episode 9, you would already know Yamato's point of view concerning Mei and her traits, Instead all that remains is your exaggerated negative opinion. I won't even point every single thing out (again)... No, you said the aim of this manga was to demonstrate or make the female readers believe that despite many negative traits, they'd end up with a handsome, rich and popular guy just like it happens with the characters in the series. Showing that is easier using Megumi rather than Mei because the former is introduced as a bad person. As I said, there was never any sort of focus on such a thing -- unlike on the pasts and all that. And how can Yamato be a "Prince Charming" if he himself has a past he (or anyone) rather wouldn't have? You bring up "don't judge a book by its cover" even though all you see is "female loner meets Prince Charming" concerning this manga. ._. But Kai isn't a model... He doesn't even look like one. Although that might be just me... As I mentioned earlier, what keeps me reading (watching) this isn't the "female loner meets Prince Charming" concept you see but the teenagers' connections, their pasts, how they develop etc. It's the author's way to portray (their) youth that interests me. I've neither read/watched that nor do I know what the fans of Twilight are like, so I wouldn't know. *shrugs* I'll be looking forward to the results~ If there are so many series similar to this one as in sharing a female protagonist who doesn't have any friends, isn't particularly pretty etc. and a handsome, popular, rich male character who ends up with her, there is not really a problem with that. The fact that there are many series like that might mean that this setting is popular or whatever, but it doesn't indicate that the author of this series intended to have the effect on her (female) readers you claim it has. Again, this is about Sukitte Ii Na Yo, not some other manga. That has no relation to this whatsoever. If I believe I'm right, I will naturally state why. Yeah, using an ad hominem attack made your post so much more mature. Of course it did. ¬_¬ 5layer said: Wow, this anime sure likes to make problems out of nothing. Takana_no_Hana said: why do every shoujo anime have hottest guy, charming prince as a mc? Couldn't he be a normal boy, who first falling in love? And, this just keep dragging on, problems from the tiniest misunderstanding. This follows common, cliche shoujo route. |
Dec 7, 2012 2:05 PM
#129
^ Not sure what you're trying to say... |
Dec 7, 2012 5:33 PM
#130
It seems you're not sure what anyone is trying to say other than yourself. Anyway lets end it there, nice chat. |
Dec 8, 2012 1:00 PM
#131
it's all your fault Yamato! you should stop being kind to everyone .. I hate that bitch Megumi! Poor Mei.. I hope that blonde guy would make Yamato jealous so that he will realize how important Mei is! |
Dec 9, 2012 5:21 AM
#132
i love the end of this episode..wow never expected yamato to cry..its kinda..hmm..but yeah,still lovin it~ |
Love Love Is In The Air ~ Chu Chu Chu ;) |
Dec 9, 2012 5:25 AM
#133
MayuChan97 said: chu chu chu ~ love is in the air ~ |
Love Love Is In The Air ~ Chu Chu Chu ;) |
Dec 9, 2012 6:06 AM
#134
Takana_no_Hana said: why do every shoujo anime have hottest guy, charming prince as a mc? Couldn't he be a normal boy, who first falling in love? Because it helps fulfill us girls' delusional fantasies that one day some super-hot guy will sweep us off our feet. |
Do you know Oyashiro-sama? |
Dec 11, 2012 5:14 AM
#135
I really like this anime, its realistic at times. I thought that Mei would run away and cry (like every other shoujo anime girl does) when Yamato came to her. I think I should stop comparing this series to other shows because this one is very different :) |
Dec 12, 2012 6:07 AM
#136
Yoruko- said: It seems you're not sure what anyone is trying to say other than yourself. Anyway lets end it there, nice chat. The quotes have no relation to (dis)proving that this series' main point is that fantasy you brought up. And whether the main couple is Prince Charming x girl without friends etc. or not doesn't immediately create a focus on such a fantasy for the readers. Your descriptions fit this manga which however is nothing like SINY. -KamioRika- said: Takana_no_Hana said: why do every shoujo anime have hottest guy, charming prince as a mc? Couldn't he be a normal boy, who first falling in love? Because it helps fulfill us girls' delusional fantasies that one day some super-hot guy will sweep us off our feet. That surely, but if he's not your average guy, that can also help the author create obstacles or other things that can make the story interesting. That's why in stories with an average guy, the author has to think of something else, he might have been the female protagonist's childhood friend, their relationship worsened, but then something happens that brings them together, evetually leading to them falling in love or whatever. Aside from that, something that is out of reach/unknown/unfamiliar is far more interesting than something within reach/you're used to/familiar. However, if I were to count, I think there would be less popular guys for the heroines than others in manga/anime. |
Dec 12, 2012 7:27 AM
#137
Spooky_Sez said: This show is way too dramatic for me. That last scene made me want to rip my hair out. Yea , this show is too dramatic for me too but for some reason i just keep watching it . |
Dec 17, 2012 7:54 AM
#138
Dec 19, 2012 5:26 PM
#139
That was a happy end, right? When Yamato paused from picking up the broken bracelet and hugged Mei, it pushed me over the edge with tears. God damn. |
Dec 24, 2012 4:47 PM
#140
I feel like the characters are all too empty. Even Mei now. I don't understand how what they're feeling is love. He's just a pretty boy that's nice to her and she looks up to him, like a role model. She's so insecure, shy and she has no life at home other than thinking about her boyfriend. I find it hard to enjoy this anime, mostly because of what's going on with my real life friends. They're also going through tons of romantic obstacles, while I'm just observing. It's annoying. This series lacks content and the most it has is the relatonship between the MCs, but that's pretty much it. Well...I'll finish this season though. |
Dec 24, 2012 4:53 PM
#141
meepsheep said: I feel like the characters are all too empty. Even Mei now. I don't understand how what they're feeling is love. He's just a pretty boy that's nice to her and she looks up to him, like a role model. She's so insecure, shy and she has no life at home other than thinking about her boyfriend. I find it hard to enjoy this anime, mostly because of what's going on with my real life friends. They're also going through tons of romantic obstacles, while I'm just observing. It's annoying. This series lacks content and the most it has is the relatonship between the MCs, but that's pretty much it. Well...I'll finish this season though. you are right , the anime is doing a terrible adaption of the manga , the manga is more dark and has more charcter development from what i heard |
Dec 30, 2012 10:35 PM
#142
Jan 20, 2013 11:18 AM
#144
i actually kinda got annoyed with Mei this episode as well as Yamato, the beginning where she was really awkward and annoying towards him, she never really tells him what she feels, rather just get's moody and emotional, and on the other hand Yamato is just naive and doesn't seem to notice very much, but the ending was really nice and when they finally do talk its like..... ABOUT TIME!!! |
Jan 21, 2013 9:27 PM
#145
Hmm, the moral of the story is... communicate. xD Aiko seems to understand how people feel very well. And the new guy is just, weird. |
Mar 7, 2013 3:42 PM
#146
for a minute at the end i thought mei was going to break up with yamato and i kinda wanted her to.... but im glad they didn't |
Mar 16, 2013 6:31 PM
#147
Wow...first time Yamato walked away from Mei! I don't understand how Yamato could agree to going to Megu's place on a regular basis to begin with. ?_? Nice how Mei actually has a couple friends looking out for her now. Aiko was surprisingly kindhearted and went out of her way to chat with Yamato. At least they finally made up...maybe it'll stop this melodramatic feeling now and blossom into something heartwarming? |
El Psy Congroo まだまだだね!!! |
May 11, 2013 1:17 AM
#148
I felt glad when Aiko said it to Yamato. YAMATO, WHY ARE YOU SO THOUGHTLESS? |
Aug 9, 2013 6:12 PM
#149
golly, the last few episodes really hit me in the feels. Like i nearly cried because of feels overload, UGGHHHH why i yamato so blind until the end of this episode!? |
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