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SlashBeast said: didn't read those yet and i'm following it fine enouthAnyway, glad I readed first 4 volumes of SAO LN, otherwise I propably woudnt understand even a half of it what happend there. don't get all the complains about the pace, well sure if you have read the LN it's understandable, i'm picky on adaptations too.. (main reason i'm refraining from reading the LN untill the anime has ended) but i'm liking this pace a lot, each episode has many things happening, that's how i like animes and mangas really emotional episode, those rare items strict hidden rules are so annoying (wonder who's the one to start those rumors and where those info come from) two big alliances/guilds got named, and one showed up for a moment (the holy dragon alliance), wonder if the other one is similar or acts on different goals good to see klein survived well with his group and they're also in the top floors tier was wondering how they move from different floors, like when kirito moved to 28 from 11 during night to go training, guess they use teleport for that too |
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| No no no... this is just too depressing for my sensitive soul. To kill such a cute girl! Is it similarly depressing later on? I'm gonna drop it, if it is :/ |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: Main plot would start from about ep. 6 cause they still need to adapt 2 side-stories which mainly take place before the main events of SAO Hmm so they're currently telling us the back story huh? even so they shouldn't have really done it this fast, Im sure people are going to completely forget Sachi and the guild once the main storyline starts. I guess its almost like a flashback sequence of Kirito's memories then. If thats the case Hopefully once the "main" story line starts the development will be much more clearly detailed. |
| I think that there will probably be a lot of questions after this ep, so I'll just explain some of the things that I noticed weren't explained enough. *Right after Sachi dies, there is a short time skip. *Kirito knew that there would be trouble on the upper floors, but didn't tell them because he wasn't meant to know based on what he had told them (lying about his level). He still thought that they could manage somehow if they got in trouble as his level was really high (what he meant when he said his arrogance had killed them). He also wasn't aware of the hidden door, and also knew that the chest was trouble. But he didn't say it immediately, because he was having doubts about how to explain how he knows. When he decides to tell them to stop, too late! they all get annihilated except for Kirito, who managed to survive. If Kirito had not helped them, they wouldn't have been at the level to attempt the dungeon therefore wouldn't have died. Well, that's his reasoning. *Kirito lied about his level because he wanted to fit in more. Kirito liked the feeling of being depended upon, as he was solo this whole time and never socialized. *Kirito had the slightl hope that the revive item would work on someone who has been dead for that long because they didn't know for sure WHEN the person died. For all they knew, they could still be kept alive, then killed later all at once when the game ended. Doesn't make much sense, but he was pretty desperate. *Outside of the 'safe zones' (towns, etc) players can hurt players, so PK is possible. Inside the safe zone, you can not take damage, and any attacks will be nullified (except in PvP). This is how Klein managed to fight against the Dragon Alliance. Of course, killing another player is not in your best interests in the first place as more people = more chance of beating the game. etc... I thought the ep in general was alright, just really rushed. |
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| Although the episode was really fast the emotion was done well. |
Shaduge said: just guessing, but that group klein&co. sparred with wasn't the big guild as a whole, but only an expedition groupso how did klein & co manage to defeat the notorious guild again? still guessing but they may have retired, i don't see klein killing them all SlashBeast said: thanks for the info, interestingZeando said: Thats well explained in LN. really emotional episode, those rare items strict hidden rules are so annoying (wonder who's the one to start those rumors and where those info come from) SlashBeast said: where is the fun if you have all explained? i like to guess things Thats what I was talking about, it was so rushed that you don't even understand whats going on there... it wasn't really guessing about the floor-teleport, since it was showed by the leader of the black cats when he went to buy the house |
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| WTF overly rushed... the drama was not enough and it would be hard to understand the episode's story for those who didn't read the LN. btw the notorious guild was supposed to be defeated in a one on one duel by Cline with the leader. |
| So predictable and forced. Death of teammates->Berserking->Teenage angst. They didn't explain how he got out of that trap nor how he killed that boss. And How did Klein survive outnumbered against a famous guild? Another thing I found unrealistic is that team leader guy. "You are a beater and team mates are all dead. I must commit suicide to redeem my shamefur dispray". Inb4 hurr it's an anime/game, not supposed to be realistic. And Yuki Kajiura is recycling her soundtracks again...the one where he hears that dead girl's message sounds like a blend of "Rule the Battlefield" and "Painful"... They really should focus more on Kirito's relationship with Klein instead of this stuff... |
BloodRequiemJul 21, 2012 4:58 PM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Ajunky said: BloodRequiem said: The grief for the death of someone you care about is teenage angst? Oh, you're so blissfully stupid.So predictable and forced. Death of teammates->Berserking->Teenage angst. I like how you resort to personal attacks when all I've done was picking out some plotholes/cliches. Many jimmies are rustled today. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| Ugh this is way too fast I guess i'll go read the light novel... It seemed so melodramatic but I didn't feel sad at all, I mean the characters that died only lasted like 10 minutes anyway. It feels like they are just trying to advance the plot as fast as possible. |
MegamanZen said: BloodRequiem said: Another thing I found realistic is that team leader guy. "You are a beater and team mates are all dead. I must commit suicide to redeem my shamefur dispray". Inb4 hurr it's an anime/game, not supposed to be realistic. I'm confused as to what you're trying to convey with this message. However, it was said that all of the guild members were close friends in real life. Not a good reason to commit suicide. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| More than this episode being rushed, it seems that the series in itself is rushed. It has so much potential, and if everything could be slowed down a pace or two it could really be a masterpiece. The emotions were definitely well captured in this episode though. I thought Sachi was rather annoying at first, but in the end my opinion of her did a 180. I was also glad to see Klein again, his character's a splash of optimism in a sea of angst. |
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Ajunky said: BloodRequiem said: Glad you like it, and it sound like your jimmy is far more rustled than mine.Ajunky said: BloodRequiem said: The grief for the death of someone you care about is teenage angst? Oh, you're so blissfully stupid.So predictable and forced. Death of teammates->Berserking->Teenage angst. I like how you resort to personal attacks when all I've done was picking out some plotholes/cliches. Many jimmies are rustled today. Which still doesn't contradict my statement because I never specified the number nor the owners of the jimmies. xxSaspra said: I was also glad to see Klein again, his character's a splash of optimism in a sea of angst. Definitely. He was the only other character so far that was remotely developed. GoodOldBob said: It seemed so melodramatic but I didn't feel sad at all, I mean the characters that died only lasted like 10 minutes anyway. It feels like they are just trying to advance the plot as fast as possible. It does seem rushed. The team members are pretty much faceless characters without any development. The impact of their deaths were lost because the audience never really got to know them. |
BloodRequiemJul 21, 2012 5:09 PM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Oosran said: Incredibly rushed, and the intense feelings from the LN weren't really relayed all that well. I'm guessing there will be a lot of complaints due to not really understanding the situation and whatnot ._. Still, it wasn't bad, and they did bring up most of the important parts. Like, Sachi ;______; And there were some things that I really wanted them to show. Like, Argo for example. I was thinking maybe they'd cut her out completely due to the previous episode, but no, she just made a later than expected appearance. She's supposed to have written that strategy book for the first boss. And we got to know Kirito's level, which we could only guess at while reading the LN. Quite accurate guessing though. Edit: Also, with this pace, I'm pretty sure where they're going to end this, and I... really approve of that decision. ( ¬‿¬) Damn you. I was going to say "Inb4 Rushed comments". Any episode without Asuna isn't a real episode as far as I'm concerned. I don't mind it being rushed. |
| I'm kinda pissed right now. So freaking rushed. Can't stand it. Though I have to admit, the tears came to me at at that ending, but that was probably only because it was my favorite scene from the light novel. Regardless, I feel disappointed about this ep as a fan of the light novels. |
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Kurano said: I'm kinda pissed right now. So freaking rushed. Can't stand it. Though I have to admit, the tears came to me at at that ending, but that was probably only because it was my favorite scene from the light novel. Regardless, I feel disappointed about this ep as a fan of the light novels. ......Do the lot of you not understand the need to fit so much into a 20 minute time slot? -.-.....This is only a 20+ episode anime, and they have a lot of ground to cover. /facepalm. |
BloodRequiem said: ..please, don't pretend to be called audienceThe impact of their deaths were lost because the audience never really got to know them. the impact is different for each person, you can have groups thinking it in similar ways but you can't say all felt the episode the same way moreso if someone didn't enjoyed it, it doesn't mean anyone can't enjoy it unless you were arguing about the impact being smaller, there i can agree, but for me it wasn't lost at all |
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| I agree, felt abit lost after the ep just not enough time was put in for character and emotional build up =/. Although I did almost tear up abit when Sachi started humming Rudolph, the red-nosed reindeer had a very shiny nose. And if you ever saw him, you would even say it glows. Then one foggy Christmas Eve Santa came to say: "Rudolph with your nose so bright, won't you guide my sleigh tonight?" Soo sad when you look at how it relates =/ Ill never be able to sing that song the same way again T_T |
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| I thought it was some kind of madness that characters would take much of any risk in the kind of setting where they could loose their lives. If only they had listened to Kirito. Even though I didn't get much of a feel for the characters I still thought the pacing was fine, possibly because I didn't read the light novels. I wasn't interested in their stories any so I was fine with skipping over it. And yes, the last words from Sachi made me cry despite my disinterest in the group. Klein made me really happy, I hope he sticks around for forevers. :P |
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| that was rushed as hell, they never really left any room to show how close sachi and kirito had become and how they were similar in some aspects, to the eyes of the viewer, it looked like sachi and kirito just randomly slept together when in actual fact their friendship developed over a long period of time and that they were just "two black cats licking each others wounds" though i must admit they did the episode well, they showed kirito's path to insanity and how he risked his life many times to get a high level, i also liked the ending where sachi's message kept him living when he lost the will to live knowing that revival potion cant save her however the LN did it a lot more better than the anime, when you cram an emotional arc like red nose reindeer into 1 episode you get a rushed mess |
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| Does most people think -every- episode is "rush rush rushed!" or something? Seems like that's all I see in each discussion... Anyways.. sad episode.. almost cryed when I saw all of them die.. and seeing the guy killing himself by jumping off that bridge was painful D: I hope Kirito finds his place to be soon. Btw, to lighten the mood, is it just me or did Evil Santa clause look derpy as heck? xD His face.. I couldn't help but laugh despite the seriousness of the situation. |
| Best episode yet. Could really feel the emotion between Sachi and Kirito. I really hope he becomes strong enough to protect those around him at some point. He could have prevented the whole scenario if he'd just spoken up. I haven't read the light novel so I can't understand all the negative feelings people have but yes the guild members were pretty much negligible apart from Sachi by the end due to no emotional attachment for them building up. 5/5 |
| The track that played during Sacchin's message was mysteriously alike with the track "Rule the Battlefield" from Fate/Zero. Well, it is Yuki Kajiura in both series, but it seemed a little...cheap. It felt reused, so to speak. Still pretty good music, tho. |
| I expected an eighteen pages of complaining that it's rushed but it seems like Im wrong. IT WAS RUSHED! OMFG. That's what in my mind this whole episode. Even though rushing it is unavoidable, this is just... ridiculous. They could've at least made it 2 episodes. Why, oh why. Are they planning on animating all Volume One and Two in just 20ish episodes? If I didn't read the novel, I won't get a shit on what happened. Like "How the hell did Kirito advance so fast?", "What's the issue between Clein, I thought Kirito left them in episode 1?", "What the hell is the Holy Dragon Alliance?". They should have explained some of the mechanics of the game. They did already explain the use of swtiching? I don't know. It lacking a lot in the emotion department because it was so rushed. Even though there's a lot of crying and such. The non-LN readers don't really care because they don't even know the importance of that characters. They just suddenly appeared in Episode 3 and died in Episode 3. Like, wtf? There's no feeling of attachment for Sachi. Move on, go next with Scilica arc with 1 episode again? Oh wow. Maybe that could have worked if they followed the order in the LN but no. The problem is they did it chronologically but they are NOT considering the fact that there are important things that was explained in Volume 1 and Volume 2 is not just a simple side story. You still won't get Volume 2 if you haven't read Volume 1. The non-LN readers lacks the knowledge of what is going on. A-1 Pictures, dahell are you doing... Im ranting hard because Im really mad when the source material is class SSS and it gets degraded in the adaptation. It's so sad that the non-LN readers won't enjoy the full potential of SAO. So my advise is, read the novel! On the other side of me, I kinda feel happy if they are doing 1 episode for each Sachi, Scilica and Lizbeth. If they are doing that then they can finish Volume One and Volume Two of the novel. I just wanna see the romance between Kirito and Asuna and the badass boss-fighting of Kirito. If they are not really putting a lot of importance on this side characters, then I hope they focus mainly on Kirito, Asuna and KoB. That will be great I guess. Still, sloppy start. I just kinda feel bad for the non-LN readers who doesn't really get what is happening. Must be tough for you guyz, just read the novel. Anyways, hoping for A LOT of improvement in the next episodes... |
| Quick note, I'll put in spoiler what is actually a spoiler. I might discuss some material that should have been animated this episode but didn't outside a spoiler tags. dim100 said: To the many who think it was rushed. Really? How what part, I mean the side story it was based on was only one chapter long, just like the Black Swordsman which is the next episode so it will probably be only one episode too. So I find it kind of hard to rush a single chapter. I will agree that the second episode was rushed, but this one, no chance in hell. I loved the episode in the way that it stayed true to the story where it counts. Anyway I will get pissed if they condense Murder Case in the area into one episode cause that is rushing, but knowing them and they want to clear the SAO arc in 12 episodes to get to the Fairy Dance arc they will rush it, but tis a shame. No matter what though this anime is still awesome, even if it is rushed, it is never bad. Lolwut? This episode wasn't even a quarter as powerfull as it's chapter counterpart. Kirito's lonelyness as being a solo player, his feeling once he started to get attached to his new guild's members weren't portrayed that well... How he had expectation of being with them on the front line in the future, how he finnally found a reason to live for other than himself. Most of Kirito's developement, his fear, his personality comes from that one chapter. Some kind of importants point were left out such as how, prior to their death, he shared a common inventory with Sacchi. This inventory wouldn't disapear after her death. He had to see that inventory every single time he opened his, being remembered of these sorrowfull memory, how he lied to her and was reponsible for her death... he was litteraly tormented by that. These last words, he was really to give up his life just to know them. This episode didn't even portrayed a quarter of the pain Kirito went through, how that made him the person he is now and how that would affect his, and everyone in Aincrad's future. chanotek said: *Right after Sachi dies, there is a short time skip. Short is pretty relative, the front line was at floor 26th when he joined the guild while after the time skip he is on floor 46th Also just to be sure people understand that well, in the original novel this story is done inside a flashback so theorically there isn't any timeskip but rather a 'return to the present'. chanotek said: *Kirito had the slightl hope that the revive item would work on someone who has been dead for that long because they didn't know for sure WHEN the person died. For all they knew, they could still be kept alive, then killed later all at once when the game ended. Doesn't make much sense, but he was pretty desperate. What happen after death was unknown at that point. There was the possibility of the people dying being transported into a room where they'll be allowed to watch the remaining players and their fate would be decided when the game would reach it's end. Basically either everyone lives in the end, either everyone die. This item crushed that hope. Kirito understood all too well that this 10 seconds after death was the delay before the the server actually marked a player as dead and before the system started to kill the player's real body. |
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| So... whats the max level? 9999? o____o Series feels incredibly rushed, Ep2 is at floor 10 and now Ep 3 we're up to the 30's? I have a feeling they're gonna pull a Tower of Duaga on us. |
| The fight in the trapped room where the Moonlit Black Cats were wiped out was poorly done in my eyes. There was no sense of unity - everyone seemed to be fighting on their own, which seems crazy against so many enemies. They all fell too quickly for my taste, too. A longer, closer fight would have hit me harder emotionally. Other than that, I thought the episode was pretty good. I especially liked the Christmas message from Sachi. I can understand why they needed to cut out some of the fights, and I didn't have a problem with that. I found it easy to sympathise with Kirito during his little emotional rollercoaster because I didn't feel the emotion was overdone, and it wasn't unbearably angsty since it happened within the space of one episode. I only wish that more attention could have been focused on the aforementioned swansong of the Moonlit Black Cats, because that was (or should have been) a pivotal, hard-hitting scene. |
| So much time skipping, kind of annoying. |
| For the people who are complaining about the Time Skipping. It is what was done in the Novel. This isnt Naruto, Bleach, One Piece. They don't need to show frontliners defeat every boss at every level. There are important parts and SAO is not all about just fighting and fighting. There's a lot of elements. |
Maddo_scientisto said: Quick note, I'll put in spoiler what is actually a spoiler. I might discuss some material that should have been animated this episode but didn't outside a spoiler tags. Thanks for that, helped clear things up abit. Might as well get on the LN as well Dx - So apparently this is only the back story or a flashback of Kirito's memories?, if thats the case then I guess it's kind of understandable why things feel a little unclear. I guess they're trying to just put the key parts across, hopefully once the "Main" storyline starts things will develop alot better. |
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heimdallr said: i dont really like the rush.... im really disappointed in the anime version of SAO.... please somebody save SAO.... they've really ruined SAO.... i hope somebody would remake SAO that looks like the light novel.... *sigh*.... They won't. The reasons for all the changes would remain and at best they would cut out something else. A great lot of story is always lost when a novel (be it light or classical, western of Japanese) is adapted to another medium. New medium's limits, budget constraints and limited number of ep's require the story's pacing to be compromised and for cuts to be made. Sacrifices are a necessary evil in adaptation business. A novel was and will always be the best-storytelling medium (even if not always the most popular) for various reasons. Expecting an adaptation to be even close is, honestly, laughable. |
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| it seems like the people who read the LN feel its rushed while the non readers are wondering why, well this will probably be the last rushed episode considering the next few episodes can't possibly be rushed (LN readers will know what i mean) Paul said: So... whats the max level? 9999? o____o Series feels incredibly rushed, Ep2 is at floor 10 and now Ep 3 we're up to the 30's? I have a feeling they're gonna pull a Tower of Duaga on us. in a spoiler tag for you also just clearing things up, kirito didn't reach that high of a level that quickly, it was over a period of months where he was training by himself at night in dangerous places while the "black cats" were asleep, after they died his training became even more drastic where he sacrificed sleep and fought multiple dangerous monsters that should be fought when you are in a party but he solo'd them in order to reap all the xp and level up as much as possible, what he did was essentially mad but he did it anyway because he was clinging onto the hope that he can save sachi although they said it in the anime, or more specifically argo, they didn't really make it clear what kirito had been through in order to get so far |
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| Way too rushed. Seriously, I could hardly feel for the characters. And no Santa fight? WTF? And is it just me, or are light novel adaptations just being massacred right now? Campione! is a joke, Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai isn't too faithful from what I've heard, Hagure Yuusha no Estica is only a little better, and now this. It's a shame because all of those had potential. |
Uberchu said: Way too rushed. Seriously, I could hardly feel for the characters. And no Santa fight? WTF? And is it just me, or are light novel adaptations just being massacred right now? Campione! is a joke, Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai isn't too faithful from what I've heard, Hagure Yuusha no Estica is only a little better, and now this. It's a shame because all of those had potential. Just remember that this is episode 3/25. There is still time for this to get better hopefully. |
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Uberchu said: Way too rushed. Seriously, I could hardly feel for the characters. And no Santa fight? WTF? And is it just me, or are light novel adaptations just being massacred right now? Campione! is a joke, Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai isn't too faithful from what I've heard, Hagure Yuusha no Estica is only a little better, and now this. It's a shame because all of those had potential. That's what Im thinking after I watch these Anime consecutively. I basically can't understand a shit on what is going on in Campione! and I haven't read it's LN. Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai doesn't follow the real storyline and keeps on changing the happenings. Im not sure about Hagure Yuusa but I must say the LN adaptations are just getting shitter. I hope a good Production Studio saves us from this crisis. Obstinate said: Just remember that this is episode 3/25. There is still time for this to get better hopefully. 25 is the legit number of episodes of SAO? How'd you know? |
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