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ssjokg said: Yeah that too, so "different mediums don't count" won't work as an excuse soon. Not that I agree that its a valid excuse, but still.What more should the anime had done for someone to understand "clearly" that Kiritsugu had to make a choice and that Kariya was hallucinating? It has nothing to do with having read the LN. It s about viewers making the effort to think, analyze what they see. Botato said: NOt to mention the FSN anime that will air in fall.How about I have not read the novel before watching the anime, and wasn't confused? Also, I was talking about the ending. Some explanations for what happened are present in F/SN, because F/0 is a prequel it assumes you have knowledge of it or you are planning on reading it sometime. That's why it's wrong to treat F/0 on its own. |
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Botato said: How about I have not read the novel before watching the anime, and wasn't confused? Also, I was talking about the ending. Some explanations for what happened are present in F/SN, because F/0 is a prequel it assumes you have knowledge of it or you are planning on reading it sometime. That's why it's wrong to treat F/0 on its own. Then good for you. It still doesn't change my experience or the fact that I noticed there were lots of questions being thrown around. I understand what you're getting at. I just don't agree. On Rotten Tomatoes, do the critics pend their ratings for XYZ 1 because they're waiting for clarification in XYZ 2? Do they rate each movie in a series based on the series overall or based on the specific title? It's common to evaluate a prequel on its own. My problem with the ending wasn't that there were loose ends, by the way (I was focusing more on needing to read the novel). I did say those loose ends were presented poorly and jarringly. The ending wasn't self-sufficient; it required people telling you "Well if you'd read this and watched that etc" TLDR I thought the ending was lackluster, rushed, and confusing. It would've been better if I'd read the novel. But I shouldn't have to read the novel to be able to understand this series by itself. I don't know how many more ways to say it and there's no changing my opinion soooo |
NinahJun 10, 2014 5:41 AM
| Fate/Zero is deeply connected to Fate/stay night, it's part of a bigger story. So one way or another, whether you watch FZ first and then go on to FSN or vice versa, the story simply doesn't end after FZ, so complaining that the ending is incomplete is kinda unfair. This is like you read A Dance with Dragons and complain that there is still no resolution at the end of the book and questions are left. Doesn't exactly work this way, I know, since FZ is a prequel and FSN came first. You also have to understand the meaning behind the name Fate/Zero. After every episode, you see a timer counting down. What happens when the timer finally reaches zero hour? A hero is reborn from the ashes of the inferno the 4th War left behind and FSN, Shirou's story, finally begins. |
| Loose ends here is translated as ""good guy" loses". There was no loose end.The bad guys won and the rest lost.That Sakura was left in the Matou isnt a loose end, that Saber failed to get her wish isnt a loose end etc. Whether you know FSN story or not that doesnt change the ending or its meaning. |
Ninah said: Then good for you. It still doesn't change my experience or the fact that I noticed there were lots of questions being thrown around. No it doesn't. Ninah said: I understand what you're getting at. I just don't agree. On Rotten Tomatoes, do the critics pend their ratings for XYZ 1 because they're waiting for clarification in XYZ 2? Do they rate each movie in a series based on the series overall or based on the specific title? It's common to evaluate a prequel on its own. First of all, why care about their criteria? Second of all, what I'm saying is: criticizing a show for not answering questions, when it has a sequel that does answer them is wrong. When making a review, that would be a "heads up" to the one reading your review; like "just fyi, this certain aspect is not explained in this PART of the franchise." It's not a valid "criticism" that the show has a bad/lackluster ending. Currently I have a problem with MM's third movie (Rebellion) ending in that it begs for a sequel, which hasn't been announced yet. So yes I would consider it incomplete and lower its score until it gets a sequel. But it's not the same with this, F/0 already HAS a sequel that explains and answers any remaining questions. Ninah said: My problem with the ending wasn't that there were loose ends, by the way (I was focusing more on needing to read the novel). I did say those loose ends were presented poorly and jarringly. The ending wasn't self-sufficient; it required people telling you "Well if you'd read this and watched that etc" So basically, Code Geass season 1 ending was lackluster because you need to watch season 2 to understand what happened and get the full story? Ninah said: The anime was as best as it could be of an adaptation. If you read the F/0 light novel, it could have enhanced your experience a bit more. TLDR I thought the ending was lackluster, rushed, and confusing. It would've been better if I'd read the novel. But I shouldn't have to read the novel to be able to understand this series by itself. I don't know how many more ways to say it and there's no changing my opinion soooo However, there WILL STILL be some "loose ends." Why? Because these "loose ends" are tied up and answered in Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel, a sequel. Not telling you to change your opinion, just telling you that the way you are looking at it is wrong. |
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Botato said: First of all, why care about their criteria? You're telling me it's not "right" to treat an installation as a standalone. I'm saying it's commonly practiced by professionals. Second of all, what I'm saying is: criticizing a show for not answering questions, when it has a sequel that does answer them is wrong. Okay, hold on - I feel like I've spent paragraphs clarifying that this /wasn't/ my problem Quote: "My problem with the ending wasn't that there were loose ends, by the way. I did say those loose ends were presented poorly and jarringly." Quote: "the ending was definitely disjointed and choppy." Quote: "because I hadn't read the novel, I feel like I noticed clumsy narrative, disconnects, and vagueness" You seem to be focusing a lot on F/SN. I wasn't confused about what would happen later. I was confused about what had happened. This is why I keep on mentioning the difference in reading the novel. I don't need a sequel to answer questions; I'm saying the ending of this series itself wasn't good directionally. I've been consistently criticizing the way the narrative and information was told. Botato said: So basically, Code Geass season 1 ending was lackluster because you need to watch season 2 to understand what happened and get the full story? Botato said: However, there WILL STILL be some "loose ends." Why? Because these "loose ends" are tied up and answered in Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel, a sequel. To be honest, I feel like I'm wasting my time. You even quoted me where I said directly that it wasn't the existence of loose ends that I had a problem with. It was the presentation. The presentation caused confusion. |
| This whole problem would have been solved if Ufotable adapted all three routes of FSN first -__- F/0 IS meant to be read/watched AFTER FSN. The only problem with the adaptation was that they for whatever reason cut out Saber/Lancelot backstory (when I think about it maybe they will add it into their FSN version, if its faithful adaptation of fate route?) |
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Ninah said: You seem to be focusing a lot on F/SN. I wasn't confused about what would happen later. I was confused about what had happened. This is why I keep on mentioning the difference in reading the novel. I don't need a sequel to answer questions; I'm saying the ending of this series itself wasn't good directionally. I've been consistently criticizing the way the narrative and information was told. And some of what "had happened" needs explanations that are not present in F/Z entirely. That's why I'm focusing on F/SN. Also, the things that are present, it just means you weren't paying attention (Talking about the Kariya scene here mainly). It's not the director's fault. |
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Botato said: Ninah said: You seem to be focusing a lot on F/SN. I wasn't confused about what would happen later. I was confused about what had happened. This is why I keep on mentioning the difference in reading the novel. I don't need a sequel to answer questions; I'm saying the ending of this series itself wasn't good directionally. I've been consistently criticizing the way the narrative and information was told. And some of what "had happened" needs explanations that are not present in F/Z entirely. That's why I'm focusing on F/SN. Also, the things that are present, it just means you weren't paying attention (Talking about the Kariya scene here mainly). It's not the director's fault. It is difficult to understand that any info from the FZ LN that wasnt in the anime would only make the experience better but not more clear. Even Zouken's dialogue with Kirei that was omitted wouldnt make it more clear. |
| We're going in circles, back to the problem where I thought it was clunky and you tell me I just wasn't looking hard enough. I was looking plenty hard. Repeatedly insisting otherwise isn't going to change my experience, especially since I've seen similar confusion. You guys seem to be big fans that won't let up and honestly I'm not invested enough to debate any more. Deal with there being a negative opinion and let's move on. |
| It is hard to accept that both scenes that where mentioned here aren't clear. If you couldn't understand what the grail was telling to Kiritsugu or that Kariya was alive and was hallucinating, then you weren't looking hard enough. There was nothing the anime could do to make it "easier " except from adding a narrator in the very end,which woulnt make sense. |
Ninah said: We're going in circles, back to the problem where I thought it was clunky and you tell me I just wasn't looking hard enough. I was looking plenty hard. Repeatedly insisting otherwise isn't going to change my experience, especially since I've seen similar confusion. You guys seem to be big fans that won't let up and honestly I'm not invested enough to debate any more. Deal with there being a negative opinion and let's move on. It is clunky. But it's the nature of the series for it to be exposition heavy. It doesn't lend itself to the anime medium very well in that regard. Ufotable did as well as they possible could have, but if you really want to completely understand everything, you need to go through F/SN or read the F/Z novel. Ideally both. Although, if you couldn't understand at least the basics from what was presented... maybe this sort of series just isn't for you. For example: Ninah said: It seemed like the Grail would grant the wish by making his family the last humans on earth, but that wasn't clear in the episode at all. It was just raining blood - pretty vague. In the second-to-last episode, it shows him, alone in the castle with only his family and Irisviel literally says to him "This is the grail granting your wish". And before that, well, it was pretty obvious that the grail was: a) hungry for the blood of mortals b) powerful enough to cause destruction on an unimaginable scale. (this one is explicitly stated) From which it is obvious that the grail would probably murder everybody, with world peace being a side-effect. Hell it probably would have murdered everybody no matter what the wish. This is reinforced by the whole raining blood thing. I'm sure a lot of people thought of this immediately when Kiritsugu's goal was first mentioned because of that Stalin quote, "Death solves all problems - no man, no problem". I know I did. I thought that plot point, at least, was pretty obvious. Sure nobody flat out said it, but if you wanted to call out the show for being vague and this is the example you choose for your argument, of course people aren't going to buy that you were "looking plenty hard" (giggity). |
The anime showed me how crappy these parents are. And I am telling you that there is a deeper meaning behind their act. Sure, you simply voice your opinion. That is your right. However, you don't consider other people's/societies' values and outright dismiss Aoi as someone 'who doesn't deserve to call herself a mother'. Don't look at people using your own standards. See beyond your own nose. You probably didn't even read my wall of text or else you wouldn't have missed the part where I said that of course Aoi can't do anything. You wouldn't be able to do anything in her position either. People who give away their children for adoption are usually not allowed to see their children again anyway. At least that is a very common case in Japan and in many other countries, I bet you didn't know that either. You also couldn't say anything about the horrible human Kariya is deep inside, which only shows me how you ignorantly and selectively you judge. This is no longer a discussion. You have your own opinion and you won't change it anyway. Any further posts are a waste of both our time. |
CapsuleCoreJun 15, 2014 2:59 PM
| I dont see how Kariya is a horrible human being. As for Aoi, voicing her own opinion would be enough. From her actions and words to Kariya it seems like she didnt even do that. |
| He shows very ugly human sides deep in his heart. Well-minded and selfless on one side, very humanly jealous and burning hatred on the other side. That other part makes him horrible. Perhaps I used too harsh words. We don't know how much Aoi discussed things with Tokiomi. Fate/Zero Material gives information about how Aoi and Tokiomi can think alike to a certain degree, which is why she likes and married him. She is of course shocked about Tokiomi's decision, but because she can partially understand it, she didn't resist. Aoi sadly fits the traditional Yamoto Nadeshiko ideal too much. Let's say she didn't openly voice her opinion, passiveness is perhaps not a very good trait, though it wouldn't have changed the situation at all. It's debatable how much Tokiomi liked this decision either. |
| Very justified feelings. Imagine that the husband of the woman you loved(and quietly gave up on her because you thought it was for the best) was separated by one of her children. That child was also adopted by a freak you know very well. Add to this mental instability and a VERY provoking husband(for this argument only I will accept that Tokiomi really cared about them as children and his words were just a mask for whatever reason.). Kariya sees someone that has everything he ever wanted but throws them away treating them as objects for his own magi goal. I am not saying that it would change anything. But it would make her seem better. |
Very justified feelings. They are. But they are still very ugly. Tokiomi's words sound extremely provoking, but I had the feeling Urobuchi intentionally wrote it in a way anyone would easily misinterpret the "my wife's womb was too bountiful" part. The LN doesn't help in this part, since this section was written from Kariya's perspective. This reminds me a bit of that dumb scene from Fate in which Taiga tells Shirou that Ayako was molested and she ran away. Shirou then says something like "Huh, I see, even Mitsuzuri is weak against molesters. I guess that's good. It's impossible to teach her femininity unless something like this happens." What he says sounds extremely sexist (and it really is) although he only wanted to say that running away is feminine, not that she needs to receive some good old raping. Btw, I found his short conversation with Aoi a bit hilarious, when she found Tokiomi dead before Kariya's feet. Aoi: "Kariya, why did you kill Tokiomi?" Kariya: "It's all his fault! I thought you would be happy!" Sure, he doesn't think correctly anymore, but saying anything else but this would have been better. I am not saying that it would change anything. But it would make her seem better. Maybe. Probably. It's not easy for people to open up. I still wouldn't say she automatically loses her right to be a mother just because of this though. souledge94 sounds like he wants to say Aoi can actually really change anything. I am defending Tokiomi and Aoi, just as I would defend Kariya... all of them to a certain point. I would do the same for Kirei, Kiritsugu and Angra Mainyu. I just can't stand people who completely paint one person white and the other black, and then completely ignore the facts I throw in to relativize this. It is good that Tokiomi died (or disappeared, if he had won when he reached Akasha), seeing how he would have badly influenced Rin. Kariya saving Sakura would also have been ideal, but in the end he made things only worse for both Rin and Sakura and of course Aoi. |
CapsuleCoreJun 15, 2014 4:13 PM
C-Core said: Kariya saving Sakura would also have been ideal, You mean if the grail wasnt corrupted and Zouken actually kept his word. C-Core said: but in the end he made things only worse for both Rin and Sakura. Debatable for both. With Aoi at least Rin may had a better life, but we dont know if she would raise her just like Tokiomi would.Not because she wants that but because that's what he would do.She may had a more normal life,be the same or worse. Kariya's death made her finally accept her "fate".She would probably suffer even more without that. |
You mean if the grail wasnt corrupted and Zouken actually kept his word. Well, yes. I also see no real reason why Zouken would want to keep Sakura besides for the evulz, if he had achieved true immortality, which was certainly possible with Heaven's Feel. I wonder what Alaya would have done to stop Angra Mainyu from killing everyone. With Aoi at least Rin may had a better life, but we dont know if she would raise her just like Tokiomi would. Hm, rather difficult matter and we won't have a definite answer anyway. I personally don't think she would have done very much because Kirei was supposed to mentor and take care of Rin, according to Tokiomi's last wish and will, so it would have turned out the same in my opinion. Aoi and her own family on the other hand were merely relapsed magi. Maybe Aoi could have stopped Kirei from systematically destroying the Tohsakas' fortune, though. Kariya's death made her finally accept her "fate".She would probably suffer even more without that. Well, one could see it this way. This is still too cruel, though. Kariya gave her false hope and his pitiful death in front of her eyes crushed that hope. |
CapsuleCoreJun 15, 2014 4:46 PM
C-Core said: Btw, I found his short conversation with Aoi a bit hilarious, when she found Tokiomi dead before Kariya's feet. Aoi: "Kariya, why did you kill Tokiomi?" Kariya: "It's all his fault! I thought you would be happy!" "It's not like that" I really want to know the reasoning of the unstable Kariya for this kind of line...I mean he WAS planning to kill him and he made sure to pass the message "I will kill him" to Aoi, so what exactly was he planning to do say to her IF Tokiomi really had died at his hands? |
C-Core said: I wonder what Alaya would have done to stop Angra Mainyu from killing everyone. It would probably sent CGs to kill anyone that had a chance to get the grail and actually make a wish(unlike Kerry). |
souledge94 said: Kariya a horrible human beign yea we cant see eye to eye at all espcially with that comment.Hes far from horrible You should read or remember more than a single comment, because I already explained that he has a very horrible jealous side. I give him partially credit for his selfless try to save Sakura, but this has a very selfish background. You paint Kariya white, I paint him grey. He never considered the fact that Aoi still loved Tokiomi or that she approved of his decision to give Sakura away. Kariya jumped to conclusions and decided to take things on his own, namely to get rid of Tokiomi and play the hero for Aoi. When she asked him why he killed Tokiomi, he stuttered ridiculous things to Aoi. What kind of mother would give up their kid with no problem like that. See, you didn't even notice that she actually has a problem with that. Of course she does. She confronts Kariya visibly hurt and full of anger, because the Matou supposedly took away both Sakura and Tokiomi. She doesn't want to lose Sakura, but this was something that had to happen if Sakura wants to live her life a bit longer, so she accepted Tokiomi's decision. All this time Aoi was suppressing her emotions, something Kariya actually noticed, though he read too much into her silence. |
CapsuleCoreJun 16, 2014 6:55 AM
| hmm just finished it i didn't understood the ending grail was fake? why he ordered saber to destroy it how gilgamesh resurrected and why everyone died and exploded,what happened to ilya sorry i really didn't catch up,was it all Kariyas illusion about rin and sakura? |
AliasAngel said: hmm just finished it i didn't understood the ending grail was fake? why he ordered saber to destroy it how gilgamesh resurrected and why everyone died and exploded,what happened to ilya sorry i really didn't catch up,was it all Kariyas illusion about rin and sakura? The grail wasnt fake it really existed. Because Kerry didnt want to go on a boat trip. Gilgamesh resurrected because he is too fabulous. Because Urobuchi is the writer. Ilya got seven very very large things put into her and became a magical girl. No it was another world. . . . . . . Sorry I cant do this anymore.. Not only were two eps totally missed so was the entire thread. |
ssjokgJun 22, 2014 2:32 AM
| Sounds really unprofessional just going 52 pages really tiring also there is fate night spoilers,and i haven't seen it yet. |
| Since ssjokg can no longer do this anymore, I'll quickly do it. AliasAngel said: hmm just finished it i didn't understood the ending grail was fake? why he ordered saber to destroy it It's not the omnipotent wishing machine Kiritsugu hoped it was. Furthermore, it was corrupted. If he had made his wish to "save the world" all humans would have died, except for Kiritsugu, Ilya and Iri... unless the Counter Force had acted to stop this from happening. This was explained in the episode before. AliasAngel said: how gilgamesh resurrected Granted, the anime left that part out, but ssjokg isn't kidding. Gilgamesh resisted the corruption of the Grail because it's Gilgamesh. All the world's evil cannot stain the absolute king, who rules over the world. The Grail threw him out and Gil gained true incarnation. AliasAngel said: and why everyone died and exploded I have no idea what you mean, since I don't remember anyone exploding and not everyone died. But I'll go along with ssjokg and say because it's Urobuchi. AliasAngel said: what happened to ilya sorry i really didn't catch up Kiritsugu wanted to free her because if Iri and Kiritsugu fail, she will be the next in line to participate in the Grail War. He couldn't because his magecraft was slowly getting weaker after being cursed by the Grail. AliasAngel said: was it all Kariyas illusion about rin and sakura? Of course it was. Everyone who paid attention should know this. |
AliasAngel said: Sounds really unprofessional just going 52 pages really tiring also there is fate night spoilers,and i haven't seen it yet. The dream from the grail(and partly why why everyone died and exploded)and Kariya's delusions were "explained", although there was no need, in the last 3 pages. From all that only Gil's resurrection wasnt explained at all C-Core said: Everyone who paid attention should know this. |
C-Core said: Since ssjokg can no longer do this anymore, I'll quickly do it. AliasAngel said: hmm just finished it i didn't understood the ending grail was fake? why he ordered saber to destroy it It's not the omnipotent wishing machine Kiritsugu hoped it was. Furthermore, it was corrupted. If he had made his wish to "save the world" all humans would have died, except for Kiritsugu, Ilya and Iri... unless the Counter Force had acted to stop this from happening. This was explained in the episode before. Not to mention the embodiment of evil would be walking down in earth. Isn't akasha-tied power > Gaia and Alaya? Unless bunch of CG's jump in to slice Kerry apart as he makes the wish, I don't see anything apart from red shadow stopping it and that thing apparently gives no fucks unless you go to the akasha directly. I don't see how any sort of grail-wish success could lead to anything but calling in other types and angel notes-esque situation. This explains PRETTY WELL how Grail Wishes work C-Core said: AliasAngel said: how gilgamesh resurrected Granted, the anime left that part out, but ssjokg isn't kidding. Gilgamesh resisted the corruption of the Grail because it's Gilgamesh. All the world's evil cannot stain the absolute king, who rules over the world. The Grail threw him out and Gil gained true incarnation. To be exact - Gil survived because he is an egoistic prick. He has so much "I" in him that Grail-kun is unable to erase it. C-Core said: AliasAngel said: and why everyone died and exploded I have no idea what you mean, since I don't remember anyone exploding and not everyone died. But I'll go along with ssjokg and say because it's Urobuchi. I am thinking he/she means the fire. Blame Kerry and Kirei for that. And Iris. Iris dying feelings + Kirei's "wish" + Kerry fucking up and ordering to destroy the WRONG PART of the grail = town flooded with shit deadlier than lava. AliasAngel said: what happened to ilya sorry i really didn't catch up Kiritsugu wanted to free her because if Iri and Kiritsugu fail, she will be the next in line to participate in the Grail War. He couldn't because his magecraft was slowly getting weaker after being cursed by the Grail. And what exactly happens to her is told in the actual FSN storylines. C-Core said: AliasAngel said: was it all Kariyas illusion about rin and sakura? Of course it was. Everyone who paid attention should know this. To be exact - Kariya being wormfood and Sakura chiding him for his foolishness was not illusion. Happy go lucky park scene was a hallucination/illusion. |
AhenshihaelJun 22, 2014 5:37 AM
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Fai said: Isn't akasha-tied power > Gaia and Alaya? Unless bunch of CG's jump in to slice Kerry apart as he makes the wish, I don't see anything apart from red shadow stopping it and that thing apparently gives no fucks unless you go to the akasha directly. I don't see how any sort of grail-wish success could lead to anything but calling in other types and angel notes-esque situation. The Grail is a weapon full of mana, and Angra Mainyu only targets the humans. It's not even close to 「 」, so akasha-tied power isn't really the right way to say it (I know, I know, blabla, Heaven's Feel, Third Magic blablabla... What I'm saying is just because it's tied to Akasha doesn't mean it even comes close to its universe-rewriting power). I'm not really in the mood to discuss whether it can beat Gaia or Alaya, though I'll say that is not the case. Also, the Counter Force isn't just some Counter Guardians, it takes many forms. And Nasu's answer regarding this matter was something like "the threat wasn't at that stage yet, where mankind is endangered enough for Alaya to act", but he left it open whether the Counter Force already influenced things. To be exact - Gil survived because he is an egoistic prick. He has so much "I" in him that Grail-kun is unable to erase it. That's one way to say it. I wasn't exactly wrong, though. Fai said: He said he didn't watch FSN yet, so I intentionally left that out. It seemed tactless to me to take away the surprise, even if my answer already suggested she will show up in FSN.And what exactly happens to her is told in the actual FSN storylines. Fai said: I am thinking he/she means the fire. [..] To be exact - Kariya being wormfood and Sakura chiding him for his foolishness was not illusion. Oh come on. His questions were neither detailed nor specific, so I opted to do the same and I didn't have the nerve for answering this in detail anymore. What was illusion and what was not was pretty clear in both novel and anime. |
CapsuleCoreJun 22, 2014 6:27 AM
C-Core said: Fai said: Isn't akasha-tied power > Gaia and Alaya? Unless bunch of CG's jump in to slice Kerry apart as he makes the wish, I don't see anything apart from red shadow stopping it and that thing apparently gives no fucks unless you go to the akasha directly. I don't see how any sort of grail-wish success could lead to anything but calling in other types and angel notes-esque situation. The Grail is a weapon full of mana, and Angra Mainyu only targets the humans. It's not even close to 「 」, so akasha-tied power isn't really the right way to say it (I know, I know, blabla, Heaven's Feel, Third Magic blablabla... What I'm saying is just because it's tied to Akasha doesn't mean it even comes close to its universe-rewriting power). I'm not really in the mood to discuss whether it can beat Gaia or Alaya, though I'll say that is not the case. Also, the Counter Force isn't just some Counter Guardians, it takes many forms. And Nasu's answer regarding this matter was something like "the threat wasn't at that stage yet, where mankind is endangered enough for Alaya to act", but he left it open whether the Counter Force already influenced things. I know but it all depends on the HOW. How exactly would be the wish fulfilled? WOuld humans just be erased, would grail simply summon armies of servants to do that work or would random humans find themselves being stabbed with kitchen knives? Would grail somehow target something that stood in the way of the process, even if its not human? ETc. Would destroying grail system stop the wish and so on. Depending on that, depends on what would happen with CF. As for Alaya interference, (fsn spoilers) |
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| Wow I'm thinking that once F/SN 2014 airs we will end up arguing with each other instead of clearing things up for newbies xD |
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Botato said: Wow I'm thinking that once F/SN 2014 airs we will end up arguing with each other instead of clearing things up for newbies xD Better that than raging at horrible inconsistencies and anime-original decisions. worst fear being the fsn remake being yet another case of saint seiya omega |
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Fai said: I don't get why you're so nervous about anime original screw ups. Nasu is writing it isn't he? Botato said: Wow I'm thinking that once F/SN 2014 airs we will end up arguing with each other instead of clearing things up for newbies xD Better that than raging at horrible inconsistencies and anime-original decisions. worst fear being the fsn remake being yet another case of saint seiya omega Even if they go with a completely original story line, it will still make sense and fit within the established rules of Nasuverse. And it will be good. |
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Botato said: Fai said: I don't get why you're so nervous about anime original screw ups. Nasu is writing it isn't he? Better that than raging at horrible inconsistencies and anime-original decisions. worst fear being the fsn remake being yet another case of saint seiya omega Even if they go with a completely original story line, it will still make sense and fit within the established rules of Nasuverse. And it will be good. The original mangaka also gave her opinions to those who created SS Omega. Didnot change the fact that it turned out to be a huge rape of a good fighting shonen genre franchise. Unless its Mind of Steel trolling, original storyline WILL equal a trainwreck. |
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Fai said: Wait, unless I got that wrong, Nasu is WRITING it not just giving his opinion.. right?The original mangaka also gave her opinions to those who created SS Omega. Didnot change the fact that it turned out to be a huge rape of a good fighting shonen genre franchise. Unless its Mind of Steel trolling, original storyline WILL equal a trainwreck. So it's like a new entry/timeline in the Fate/ franchise. Why would you instantly dismiss it as a trainwreck? Edit: Anyway, to keep this on topic, someone should make a thread explaining what happened in the ending (in spoilers of course) with a little FAQ kind of thing answering the questions that keep getting asked. And also, because why the hell not, exactly what was cut out from the novel. This way we can just easily link new people to it instead of repeating the same stuff every time and also we can argue over Nasuverse stuff in the ending as much as we want there. |
BotatoJun 22, 2014 8:24 AM
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Botato said: Fai said: Wait, unless I got that wrong, Nasu is WRITING it not just giving his opinion.. right?The original mangaka also gave her opinions to those who created SS Omega. Didnot change the fact that it turned out to be a huge rape of a good fighting shonen genre franchise. Unless its Mind of Steel trolling, original storyline WILL equal a trainwreck. So it's like a new entry/timeline in the Fate/ franchise. Why would you instantly dismiss it as a trainwreck? Edit: Anyway, to keep this on topic, someone should make a thread explaining what happened in the ending (in spoilers of course) with a little FAQ kind of thing answering the questions that keep getting asked. And also, because why the hell not, exactly what was cut out from the novel. This way we can just easily link new people to it instead of repeating the same stuff every time and also we can argue over Nasuverse stuff in the ending as much as we want there. He is not writing it. He is providing advice in the episode writing sessions and sharing new information. |
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Fai said: Oh god ._.He is not writing it. He is providing advice in the episode writing sessions and sharing new information. |
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| A pretty good show although it was a little confusing at times. I'll re-watch this before the Stay Night remake comes out this year. 8/10 |
Botato said: Fai said: Wait, unless I got that wrong, Nasu is WRITING it not just giving his opinion.. right?The original mangaka also gave her opinions to those who created SS Omega. Didnot change the fact that it turned out to be a huge rape of a good fighting shonen genre franchise. Unless its Mind of Steel trolling, original storyline WILL equal a trainwreck. So it's like a new entry/timeline in the Fate/ franchise. Why would you instantly dismiss it as a trainwreck? Edit: Anyway, to keep this on topic, someone should make a thread explaining what happened in the ending (in spoilers of course) with a little FAQ kind of thing answering the questions that keep getting asked. And also, because why the hell not, exactly what was cut out from the novel. This way we can just easily link new people to it instead of repeating the same stuff every time and also we can argue over Nasuverse stuff in the ending as much as we want there. uh, wait a sec. i thought they are animating the third route of Fate Stay Night VN, Heavens Feel? it would also make sense with what happend to sakura... |
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Urek said: Botato said: Wait, unless I got that wrong, Nasu is WRITING it not just giving his opinion.. right? So it's like a new entry/timeline in the Fate/ franchise. Why would you instantly dismiss it as a trainwreck? Edit: Anyway, to keep this on topic, someone should make a thread explaining what happened in the ending (in spoilers of course) with a little FAQ kind of thing answering the questions that keep getting asked. And also, because why the hell not, exactly what was cut out from the novel. This way we can just easily link new people to it instead of repeating the same stuff every time and also we can argue over Nasuverse stuff in the ending as much as we want there. uh, wait a sec. i thought they are animating the third route of Fate Stay Night VN, Heavens Feel? it would also make sense with what happend to sakura... We dont know yet. |
Urek said: Oh ffs...Botato said: Wait, unless I got that wrong, Nasu is WRITING it not just giving his opinion.. right? So it's like a new entry/timeline in the Fate/ franchise. Why would you instantly dismiss it as a trainwreck? Edit: Anyway, to keep this on topic, someone should make a thread explaining what happened in the ending (in spoilers of course) with a little FAQ kind of thing answering the questions that keep getting asked. And also, because why the hell not, exactly what was cut out from the novel. This way we can just easily link new people to it instead of repeating the same stuff every time and also we can argue over Nasuverse stuff in the ending as much as we want there. uh, wait a sec. i thought they are animating the third route of Fate Stay Night VN, Heavens Feel? it would also make sense with what happend to sakura... Thanks ssjokg and Forgetfulness. Sigh -_- |
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| It was great, but not the ending I desired. I kinda wished the author changed the ending and finished the series here. But now I have to wait for fate/stay night (2014). I feel very bad for Kiritsugu, he had his reasons to kill people. He's naive, but I really cared for him. I feel bad for Iris and the daughter. The family stuff really touches me heart. Not to sound like a softy, but it's the truth. I was hoping for a good happy ending. Overall, it was a great series. It's a bit hard to comprehend the story but it all comes together if you really pay attention aha. I recommend to the people who don't watch anime because it's very entertaining. 9/10 |
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zachfoss said: Except that Fate/ Stay Night was written before Fate/Zero.It was great, but not the ending I desired. I kinda wished the author changed the ending and finished the series here. But now I have to wait for fate/stay night. (ugh) |
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Botato said: zachfoss said: Except that Fate/ Stay Night was written before Fate/Zero.It was great, but not the ending I desired. I kinda wished the author changed the ending and finished the series here. But now I have to wait for fate/stay night. (ugh) ^ this. By the time the light novel came out, its readers already knew how this all will end and how FSN visual novel ends. Its like expecting Sauron to die in hobbit movies. |
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Rikudo95 said: So what exactly is kiritsugus wish? To save the world by ending all those endless wars and deaths or to be with his family Ilya and Irisviel? Or was that Iris wish? Im a bit confused >.> That was a really great anime..im really excited now about the new fate/stay night Kiritsugu's life long wish is to bring world peace.Being with his family is a new wish that unfortunately for him, contradicts his entire life. He cant have both , and although he could have saved his family, or at least thats what Avenger was telling him, it would mean the annihilation of everyone else. Iri's true wish is to save Ilya from a fate similar to hers. |
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