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| Another great episode. I was wondering why it was taking so long for Okabe to get help. |
solman said: "Right now what you want most is your own personal fork, but you already have your own spoon?" What, im confused by that sentence what does it mean? I wonder why Christina blushed like that after Okabe said it does she have some sort of cutlery fetish? is it a bad translation interpretation? I played VN but couldn't get why Kurisu was embarrassing where she mentioned spoon and fork. Maybe for her, spoon means friend and fork means lover as her own metaphor or something, I guess. |
revive4563Jul 5, 2011 11:57 PM
| Omg jello scene in a flash. Is that it? I wanna hear that horrific scream of Okabe. Disappointed. They portrayed him as less emotional. In the VN, when Mayuri got shot back in the lab, it just painted Okabe's mind all red and he charged at Moeka screaming "I'LL KILL YAAAAA!!!", but was stopped by Kurisu. And we've yet seen the "best" of Mayuri's deaths, hahahaa... ha. All we got are the gore ones. Tho I doubt they will ever put it into the anime as it's - *Not really a spoiler* I'm glad that Suzuha finally explained everything. So every1 can stop arguing and enjoys the show. =] If Suzuha's Attraction Thoery is indeed correct... she should of realised that her doings will all be in vain. SERN will rule time itself. But if it's Worldline Beta... hum... |
KansokushaJul 6, 2011 2:16 AM
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herox3 said: I wish I hadn't been spoiled by /a/, the plot twist isn't as shocking :/ (although I was shocked when I read it). Oh, and you just raped my childhood |
This is freaking crazy at the end. When Suzuha in the following, said “I am from the year 2036 and am John Titor” I was like WTF! O_O Then it went something like Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit! I knew it but still it totally got me surprised with the setup it put forward. Suzuha here literally blew me out of my seat with her Alpha/Beta word line theory that is rather well shown here with the way it's portrayed I loved it! Not to mention the divergence number indicator in the spoiler According to what I understood (I am sure Fai and Saka can correct me if I ma wrong) I love you guys in this thread! Anyway from the looks of the threads on this rope they are like many world lines but only in one major world line and all Okabe did was change the circumstances around an event that repeats itself in that major world line thus it is not avoidable but there is something as things being undone, however it's impossible to do that in that major world line because too much has changed, I suppose, to reverse it back. Thing is if you can change major world lines like the ropes here show then changing the occurrences of things without having the death of Mayuri happen is a possibility. In fact Mayuri's death may never happen as long as those things get undone in that major world line that Mayuri's death has not happened at all. In the end we have a time machine able to do that major world line change and I hope that Makise/Suzuha/Okabe do it all together. Save Mayuri please! Save her no matter what! The other thing that cheered up my super depression still lingering around me is Makise's pose in the following,  now that was great. Her facials of shy and loving nature in the spoiler
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Yumekichi11Jul 6, 2011 2:12 AM
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Muchan said: If Okarin does change world lines or w/e........Is it possible that Moeka isn't the one currently working for SERN or will she always be the one working for them? /confusedabit Either way, its gonna be interesting to see what happens next episode. That would require changing world-line from further away point, at least twenty years or so. So yeah, I bet with current tech capabilities he is not capable of that. Falmung said: I was speculating Suzuha being John Titor from the very first 4 episodes. It was such an obvious thing that it almost seemed like a red herring and I kind of hoped for something surprising with Titor's identity |
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Finjas said: "Sorry 3D girls, i'm already in love..." :3 Kurisu & her husband. What a pity!  |
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| Wow, a big twist. finally John Titor was revealed. Kurisu was cheering Okabe up was hilarious, "Haaahhahahaaaa..." |
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Fai said: Muchan said: If Okarin does change world lines or w/e........Is it possible that Moeka isn't the one currently working for SERN or will she always be the one working for them? /confusedabit Either way, its gonna be interesting to see what happens next episode. That would require changing world-line from further away point, at least twenty years or so. So yeah, I bet with current tech capabilities he is not capable of that. I'm pretty sure they did say something in one of the episodes, there being a time limit on the time leap machine and can only go back about 48 hours maximum. Anyway, glad to see more of Suzuha finally and got the feeling she was John Titor or at least knew him so sadly wasn't much of a surprise but the rest of the episode was absolutely brilliant! Excited for more! |
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| That was awesome! With Joh titor-Suzuha- there is possibiltiy to find %1 divergence world to save Mayuri. I cant stand to see her died many times. Why not another girl? maybe feyris. but i dont want to see her dying again! Damn you Moeka, you bitch! I cried many times because of you! Damn you Sern. |
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| Totally loved this episode! Okabe x Kurisu moments were definitely the best! Actually, I would never have thought that Suzuha was John Titor, thought that Okabe himself was John Titor. |
| Ah, lovely Kurisu action indeed, as always. Suzuha "Part-Time Warrior/John Titor" Amane revelation was surprising too, at least for myself ;D |
kusushi said: Finjas said: "Sorry 3D girls, i'm already in love..." :3 Kurisu & her husband. What a pity! Actually, Okarin is my 2D reincarnation. :3 |
| fuck ye!!! Steins Gate is awesome im guessing Suzuha is Okabe and Kurisu's daughter lol |
| Boy, I love tsundere like Kurisu. Just the perfect type. Anyway, John Titor aka "Part-Time Warrior" finally decides to help. Now, my worries is why she is against Kurisu before for most of the time. I wonder what she did in the future. |
| Probably means you can't use chopsticks, and you lived in America for way too long. lol |
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| ^ I can use chopsticks and never been in america, yet i have no clue what's a personal fork. I mean, i guess it's a fork that only you use, but that's kinda stupid. Well anyway, this was a good episode. Loved Kurisu. But i feel like Suzuha's lying to me. I refuse to believe she's John Titor. |
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STM said: The ChäoS;HEAd anime is absolutely terrible and a big piece of shit, you should avoid it at all costs. The VN (visual novel) however, is great. You should definitely read the VN, it's completely translated in English. You can find it on Google. Are they so different? |
Rinso said: STM said: The ChäoS;HEAd anime is absolutely terrible and a big piece of shit, you should avoid it at all costs. The VN (visual novel) however, is great. You should definitely read the VN, it's completely translated in English. You can find it on Google. Are they so different? Yes, they are. They really REALLY are. |
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| Not a spoiler just a thought So, does this mean Okabe really travelled back in the past in the same world line and not jumping to another? |
STM said: And just to emphasize, they really, really are very much different.Rinso said: Yes, they are. They really REALLY are.STM said: Are they so different?The ChäoS;HEAd anime is absolutely terrible and a big piece of shit, you should avoid it at all costs. The VN (visual novel) however, is great. You should definitely read the VN, it's completely translated in English. You can find it on Google. The VN's almost a masterpiece, while the anime is... well, far from anything near good. |
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bakuramariks said: No he does not because the 1% was never crossed. he just jumped on many world lines of the major world line. The only way to really jump to the Beta world line would be Suzuha's time machine IMO. Thus why Suzuha is valuable imperatively.Not a spoiler just a thought Is there really another way to travel to Beta line without Suzuha's time machine? |
| I wasn't talking about Alpha and Beta world lines. I remember that there was a discussion of whether Okabe went back to the past of the same world line again and again (ep. 13) and Fai, if i remember correctly, said it's impossible to do it and he only changed world lines again. Someone correct me if i'm wrong. |
Yumekichi11 said: bakuramariks said: No he does not because the 1% was never crossed. he just jumped on many world lines of the major world line. The only way to really jump to the Beta world line would be Suzuha's time machine IMO. Thus why Suzuha is valuable imperatively.Not a spoiler just a thought Is there really another way to travel to Beta line without Suzuha's time machine? actually suzuha said it: the only way to change to beta worldline is to change a major event (going over 1%) u don't really need suzuha's time machine, okabe was in the beta worldline on the first episode |
darkziosjJul 6, 2011 1:46 PM
bakuramariks said: I wasn't talking about Alpha and Beta world lines. I remember that there was a discussion of whether Okabe went back to the past of the same world line again and again (ep. 13) and Fai, if i remember correctly, said it's impossible to do it and he only changed world lines again. Someone correct me if i'm wrong. I think, that difference in divergence between this worlds probably too low to register... Maybe... |
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Dusk252 said: bakuramariks said: I believe you are correct. As Okabe didn't change what happened before, aka. the only change being the fact that he's back at one point with the memories from the future, which means nothing is different from before. So it's the same worldline, but if he acts different, the course of events will obviously flow in a different way (as we've seen).I wasn't talking about Alpha and Beta world lines. I remember that there was a discussion of whether Okabe went back to the past of the same world line again and again (ep. 13) and Fai, if i remember correctly, said it's impossible to do it and he only changed world lines again. Someone correct me if i'm wrong. *facepalm* Read the bolded part you wrote yourself. That is what a different worldline is. Even if I posted a 20 page explanation on why time travel TO SAME TIMELINE IS IMPOSSIBLE, someone would still write such stuff. AS for the counter-mcguffin the only explanation I could offer is animation error |
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| Can we just agree that many of us disagree with you and move on yet? Traveling back on the same world line is possible EVEN if it becomes a different line afterwords due to your presence you still went back to the same BASE line to begin with... Fucks sake, we understand that wls are not static so just let us have fun and stop being such a dick. |
hikaricoreJul 6, 2011 5:01 PM
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| AlexTrusk and Fai is correct. It is not same worldline. It is nearly the same worldline. For example Moeka kills Mayuri with the gun. >>>>>> 0.33718700000000000000001 Moeka kills Mayuri with the car. >>>>>> 0.33718700000000000000002 Mayuri dies in train accident. >>>>>> 0.33718700000000000000033 Okabe cannot observe all changes of worldline. He can observe effective changes only. Six digits after the decimal point. I think this is limit of 'ReadingSteiner' |
| Just saw this epi now and this series keeps getting better! |
| I love random messages! :D |
| And so Okabe n Kurisu become my fav characters of this season At this point in time i dont see how this anime deserves anything less than 10/10 |
| Oh god, I feel sorry for Fai, and Suzuha. |
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Kansokusha said: Wow, I am totally impressed by your explanation so according to your theorem Okabe must do something out of the ordinary to trigger a divergence big enough to climb up to the 1% but I wonder if there is any way of affecting all the other time lines in the major time line despite them being inactive. Can a combination be possible to make the divergence be 1%. Could Suzuha's time machine be enough to trigger somethign like that? Oh god, I feel sorry for Fai, and Suzuha. So much to think about. In the end what will it take to make it to 1%. Is the question. |
| There is something, that bothers me... In the first episode, Okabe was in Timeline beta, and observed her dead body... Does this mean, that once he shifts worlds beyond 1% divergence... Not Mayuri, but Makise Kurisu will be dead?.. |
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Yumekichi11 said: Wow, I am totally impressed by your explanation so according to your theorem Okabe must do something out of the ordinary to trigger a divergence big enough to climb up to the 1% but I wonder if there is any way of affecting all the other time lines in the major time line despite them being inactive. Can a combination be possible to make the divergence be 1%. Could Suzuha's time machine be enough to trigger somethign like that? So much to think about. In the end what will it take to make it to 1%. Is the question. Not mine. It's the theorem behind Steins;Gate. =] |
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darudarl said: AlexTrusk and Fai is correct. It is not same worldline. It is nearly the same worldline. For example Moeka kills Mayuri with the gun. >>>>>> 0.33718700000000000000001 Moeka kills Mayuri with the car. >>>>>> 0.33718700000000000000002 Mayuri dies in train accident. >>>>>> 0.33718700000000000000033 Okabe cannot observe all changes of worldline. He can observe effective changes only. Six digits after the decimal point. I think this is limit of 'ReadingSteiner' This is pretty much the only explanation that makes sense. Since theoretically there are an infinite ammount of variables changing by the utter fact of Okabe appearing in past with the memories of alter-timeline's future, there's an infinite number of decimals, but the device can only display certain ammount - with the changes major enough. Any sort of time-travel theory mess up would most likely cause me and a lot of other people who appreciated the accuracy of science in this show, to lower the rating by half. If you use the theory S;G so far uses for time travel, you can't just switch to another suddenly. Not to mention that this is most likely how it works in real life too. You can't move to same timeline. Kansokusha said: Oh god, I feel sorry for Fai, and Suzuha. And why would you feel sorry for me if thats exactly what I have been saying all along? 1. You can't travel to same timeline, the time travel itself leads to a new one,so the sequence of causalities remains the same. Every decision, every action, every variable makes it pretty much infinite. THats the basis of the many worlds theory. 2. Going by chaos theory, smallest things affect the outcomes of complex systems. So Basically the things that increase the probabilities of mayuri's death is just an avalanche effect of something else major. Something either minor or major that happened caused other things that caused other things that caused other things and eventually all those millions of variables created by that event eventually lead to same outcome. If Okabe manages to track back what exactly sprung the system into state it is now, he could change it enough for a different outcome to occur. So basically as I said in two threads in row already. Okabe just needs to figure out the yodel that caused the landslide, instead of trying to change its direction... 3. Just because one certain event has enough variables to almost always happen, it does not mean that everything would be same wordline. AS you said yourself, the result after can differ, thus different worldlines. |
AhenshihaelJul 7, 2011 6:32 AM
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AlexTrusk said: There is something, that bothers me... In the first episode, Okabe was in Timeline beta, and observed her dead body... Does this mean, that once he shifts worlds beyond 1% divergence... Not Mayuri, but Makise Kurisu will be dead?.. You're getting close the the truth sir. :D, you have all the pieces now you just need to finish it...or just let the anime finishes it for you. -SSStylish- said: Is there a Light novel of Steins;Gate i can read ? the manga is going very slow :S ...i can't w8 till next week :( why bother searching a LN (does not exist anyway) when you have the visual novel already in 3 consoles (Xbox, PC, PSP) |
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Fai said: And why would you feel sorry for me if thats exactly what I have been saying all along? Nah you got it wrong. I felt sorry after seeing your theory got denied by others where most of it is exactly what the anime is trying to tell. No offense in the first place. |
KansokushaJul 7, 2011 9:22 AM
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| wow...john titor is suzuha?!! that was a big revelation~ |
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xxchampxx said: jelly mayuri --> wtf They threw her into the LHC jello maker. xxchampxx said: ok next the main world lines: i dont think that there are just 3 (1991, 2001 and 2010), i think there are a way more and alpha, beta, gamma etc are just to name them (just wanted to clarify that). xxchampxx said: ok this brings us to the divergence meter. why does okabe invent it in the future?) Suzuha said it herself. To indicate whether u have passed the 1% divergence barrier - the Beta Worldline. But its useless to any1 except Okabe, as he's the only known individual to have Reading Steiner. xxchampxx said: what i think is strange: 1.) there is a time machine on the top of a roof (of a now destroyed building) and nobody (neither the government nor moeka) is trying to investigate the thing which destroyed a building xD With all the buzz started by John Titor, and the bizarre phenomenon occurred in Akihabara, SERN probably smelt sumthing and put pressure on the government so no1 will interfere with their own investigation. My guess. xxchampxx said: 2.) mayuris watch always stops at 8:00, shortly before she dies --> does it display her lifetime? --> i am sure there must be a reverence to something :) It's original in the anime. I think it's just used for symbolic purpose. |
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xxchampxx said: oh oh oh, and another thing i want to mention: with this time machine there are a whole bunch of new things possible - because he can move his physical body in the past. he does NOT. He sends his memories in form of data INTO ALTERNATE timeline INTO HIS BODY THERE IN THE PAST OF THAT TIMELINE. |
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