Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Episode 6 Discussion

Comic_Sans said:
Still waiting for dat amazyn writin to show

64SuperNintendo said:
Yay, another plot twist! I was waiting for that.

2/5


Same here, mate.

Comic_Sans said:
Still waiting for dat amazyn writin to show

D-ohnuts said:
Yay, another plot twist! I was waiting for that.

2/5


Same here, mate.

Talon184 said:
I really can't stand Madoka....she's whiny and irritating. I kinda want her to become a Mahou Shoujo so that someone can throw her soul gem away!

Beatex said:
tbh people who hate madoka/shinji , usually hate themselves.
She's a depiction of reality.

Talon184 said:

I have trouble seeing her as a depiction of reality at this point in the show. She's offered a wish without limits to gain magical powers and rather than being excited at the prospect she whines and cries and basically gets in the way. She could simply make a wish for all the witches to die and never come back and then her problem is solved and she's got magical powers. She could wish to cure all disease or end poverty or war and turn the earth into a utopia even if doing so gets herself killed in the process and yet all she does is whine and cower.

I'm not sure why you say people who hate her usually hate themselves. Has there been a study done proving this to be true? Where exactly is this information coming from? I'm pretty sure I don't hate myself. Madoka is whiny and annoying at this point in the show, though, and I don't enjoy her character at all.

Beatex said:

madoka is very "evangelionish". Shinji is hated cuz he never wants to pilot the robot. Tbh no one in a real situation would because u'd get hurt and u'd be shitting ur pants when fighting. People hate him cuz deep down they know they are like him and they want a show where the MC kicks ass.

Asehpe said:
If you ain't seen it, you won't. Oh, maybe you'll say someting good at about episode 10 -- your kind usually does -- but considering your reactions, you should probalby be spending your time elsewhere.

Beatex said:
tbh people who hate madoka/shinji , usually hate themselves.
She's a depiction of reality.

RLinksoul said:


But don't you see how brilliant and subversive this show is? The item called a SOUL gem is literally a SOUL! No one could have thought of that! It's the first magical girl show to deconstruct the genre!! So deep!

touchmylexicon said:
why was it so surprising that the SOUL gem has your soul in it?
i agree with Kyuubey, it's not really that big of a deal.

Talon184 said:

You're making an assumption that most people know deep down that they are like Shinji. I really disagree with that statement. Is this based on actual research or are you just stating your opinion as a fact? I think people are far more likely to simply be
annoyed by whiny people who always complain about things.

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You say "no one in a real situation would because u'd get hurt and u'd be shitting ur pants when fighting" but I disagree. Many people would see this as an opportunity to do something great with their lives and would jump at the chance to make a difference by combating the evil forces abundant in the show. Not everyone would be shitting themselves in fear. Some people would, of course, but hopefully those people would stay home and curl up in a ball and cry themselves to sleep while someone else does the fighting for them rather then constantly getting in the way and making bad situations worse. She's annoying and 2-dimensional and she bores me. Maybe she'll evolve as the series progresses. I hope so. But, for now, she sucks.

D-ohnuts said:

That was actually my second time watching the show, I was just rewatching it for when I review it. I didn't like it that much the first time I watched it, and my opinion didn't change on my rewatch. Guess you should have checked first.

Also, lol at "your kind". Guess I'm subhuman for not liking this.

Asehpe said:
An easier explanation is that English is not my native language. I didn't mean any offense; I just meant what I said: your kind tends to like Episode 10 better. Which is OK: your personality type is probably not the kind who can get much out of Madoka Magica. It takes all kinds, and all I can hope is that you can find as much of interest in some other show as I find in this one.

Asehpe said:


I have to disagree, both on NGE and on MM. I do think that most people would run away screaming if they were in Shinji's situation -- I think you're not imagining it correctly if you think it only involves getting inside the robot and fighting the angels. Add also "you feel every physical pain the EVA goes through", "you have to breathe through LCL", to say nothing of the usual tropes of war: you see your friends die, etc. I'd say Shinji's situation is worse than that of a soldier in WWII; and we all know that not all people are cut to be soldiers, much the opposite actually, to say nothing of those who are but still come back home with serious PTSD.

So I think you're underestimating what Shinji goes through. Plus, you think he's complaining all the time -- the impression I have is that he's silent most of the time, and does as he's told. When he complains, he is usually alone, and is talking to himself. More often than not, he just lies in bad speechless, or then says nothing. Others (Asuka) criticize him all the time, or even try to get him to speak (Misato, sometimes); but I don't think he does that most of the time. He's more the silent type than the whiny type. I think most viewers get this impression because we get to see his inner monologues, while the other characters in NGE don't.

Do I have stats? No. It's just my personal experience: just as most people who love astronauts don't really have what it takes to become one, most people who complain about Shinji probably don't have what it takes to do what he does -- even if they had his synchronization level. Those who think they would be "doing something wonderful with their lives" just don't realize how shitty the work actually is, how uninspiring, albeit necessary. I may be wrong... but I don't think so. I would be really surprised if most people, even most people who complain, could have defeated even half of the angels Shinji defeated without running away screaming -- and that, even if they somehow manage to start out thinking they're "doing something special with their lives". I'm sure there are some -- heroes do exist -- but most? Naah... Most would give up.

As for Madoka... I think you're leaving out the kind of courage she has. She's the one muggle who doesn't shy away from running into danger when it appears, despite having no powers, led only by the hope of somehow helping her friends. Just as she immediately went after Hitomi to that suicide party and ended up chucking the bucket with poison through the window, or as she decided to accompany Sayaka just to keep an eye on her and to help her if need be -- whereas most people who have Madoka's persnality type would be very much afraid, Madoka wasn't. I think that people don't realize that she is actually courageous, as courageous as someone without magical powers could be in her situation. She is not arrogant, nor does she think that she has to be the focal point of the scene -- but courage is not something she lacks.

D-ohnuts said:

Oh okay. I understand now. That's fair.

Asehpe said:
Thanks! I really mean no evil. I simply think that peoples' preferences in art are more of an indication of their personality type than of the nature of the work of art itself -- because people (especially intelligent people) often enough do agree about the relevant objective points, but may disagree wildly on their interpretation. I think a person's MAL or ANN list is a better indicator of his/her personality type than most psychological tests... Maybe I'll even write a paper about that someday.

Talon184 said:

I'm amazed I'm having to spend so much time defending myself for not liking an anime character.

My original post had NOTHING to do with Shinji. That was something another poster brought into the conversation because they didn't like the fact that I don't like Madoka. I really don't care much about Shinji either way. I watched Evangelion when it first came out in the 90s and I'm a bit fuzzy on the details since 20 years have passed. The intent of my statement was not even to bash Shinji. Infact, I stated that "Shinji, at least, got in the mech and fought even though he was scared to death. I don't mind him nearly as much. He was whiny, but he got the job done." I tihnk it's pretty obvious from this statement that, though I don't particularly hate Shinji's character. I don't hate him and I even respect him for doing what was necessary even though he suffered as a result.

My entire point of my original statement that has pretty much been lost from the quotes and requotes and partial quotes is simply that Madoka is annoying and 2-dimensional. She doesn't shy away from situations, but (at this point in the show) she does nothing to contribute either. She just stands there crying and begging everyone to play nice. Brave? Maybe. Useful? Hardly. She got mostly better by the end of the series, but at this point in the show, I really didn't care for her and there's nothing wrong with that.