| I don't like fighting. The result will be bad for both sides. I want all people involved compromise and find the way out of this. Giving obvious and detailed examples would be the best solution. |
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| @psy-p Yes, you are right. Parents should talk about all that stuff to their kids and chances are they will keep doing those things even if they know they are wrong,they are teenagers, but they DO know that that is wrong and that is what matters. Parents will just lose credibility when they talk to their kids about what's wrong and what isn't if they see all those 'wrong' things everywhere. It's like smoking, smoking is really really bad but since it is sold everywhere and lots of people do it. Even if you talk to your kids about how wrong smoking is, there is a high chance that they will do it, be it permanently or not, unlike pot which is 'bad/wrong' and there is a lower chance kids will do it. So, if we make cigars/cigarretes illegal companies won't make money but we know we are making people a bit healthier at least. Though deal for people who like smoking, but they shouldn't in the first place. @paladin65536 I'm quite confused now..every single taku thinks the bill is wrong and all the anti-otakus think is right, right? Yet i am an otaku and i think is right. I think im looking at this in a whole different way...weird. Parents can't known for sure what their kids are doing all the time, but knowing that porn is not everywhere and can't be got as easy as getting a candy it's a relief. With no restrictions and artist is free to do whatever he wants, that doesn't mean he is using his creativity at full power. Restrictions shouldn't help an artist be creative, but they usually do since they later manage to find another ways to tell the same message. |
KlownzieDec 22, 2010 11:11 PM
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psy-p said: oh, I get your point you think that sex is wrong and that a little and swift nudity is porn, but this is not sex is very right and natural and a little fanservice harms no one it just needs responsability like all things and if the childrens do idiot things after the parents talk to them it's all childrens fault, but if the parents don't even bother to talk they will take 99% of the fault. I don't think sex is wrong and im ok with the ocassional fanservice (ie : Winry in FMA:B once in the wole anime, that's fanservice) but i don't think is right to have fanservice in every couple of eps. Don't get me wrong, I like that but like you said it needs to be done with responsability, which some people don't seem to get. I see the bill as a way to impose that responsability into people rather than just hope they are as responsable as they should be. And the problem is that even if parents talk to their kids and the kids know what's right and wrong, chances are they are still gonna see nakedness on places they shouldn't and that's what im concerned about. |
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| The problem on one side is that sometimes it just feels right for the story to have some nudity etc. and when the author is not allowed to use it, the whole situation starts to look somewhat unhonest. I have encountered such forcefully (to my sight) censored scenes some times - it spoiled the emotion at a certain degree. But there is other side - some works use nudity and fanservice JUST to get some viewers/readers. Which, I think, is wrong, because it only lowers the quality of the story. (I'm not talking about things, where ecchi is the main dish.) But there is a third side too - a quite good story can be discontinued when trying to avoid using ecchi without necessity. Because a big part of the audience prefers to see more fanservice if the stoty is only "decent". And it is not even a problem with the bill! Judging from above, I think the bill in action will be quite desctructive for the industry. And it won't be any help for the boys' healthy development too. Because every healthy boy in his teens is interested in seeing naked girls and having sex - what's the problem with that? It's wrong if they are NOT interested :) And my main point is the following: People don't turn into otakus because of nudity in manga or anime, or any other porn. It's the problem with socializing and the government should seek ways to solve that, rather than making some questionable bills. Don't you think that would be logical? |
This is what I think  (blantanly stolen from GG fansubs) And yeah, sometimes it feels right, sometimes ecchi may fit, but in most if not all cases those scenarios happen on things not meant for kids, right? I like fanservice but i think people are forgetting about it's purpose,in a way. If you see the same character take her top off every ep, that's not fanservice. And teens think about sex all the time and of course they would like to have it too. Even though i had first at a 'young' age, I was mature enough to know how do it and not just rush into it. Parents aren't trying to stop their kids from having sex, but they want them to be safe and all that bla bla. If you put a lot of ecchi and fanservice into shows for kids, they will think it's normal and that's where the problem arises. The bill may be destructive but it doesn't mean it is wrong. It still needs work but i think the main idea lies there somewhere :P |
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| This municipal law can regulate "all mangas and anime". There is no detailed definition at all. The work that disappears is decided in feelings of the person who inspects it. The child's distinction is not significant to the adult if regulated because of the distribution system. |
siokanDec 24, 2010 12:49 PM
| Precure would be banned under the tyrant's bill. OH NO HE DIDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ishihara, I hope you die a terrible and painful death. |
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klowdz said: I like fanservice but i think people are forgetting about it's purpose,in a way. If you see the same character take her top off every ep, that's not fanservice. But don't you think the creator should be the one who gets to decide what that purpose is? Not some preacher or politician who takes the task upon themselves to make the decision for everyone else what the purpose is? Kids are vulnerable. Kids aren't as capable of making good choices as adults. They need to be protected to a certain degree. We're in agreement up to that point. The problem is that life is in color and laws are in black and white. The solution doesn't fit the problem. Every kid is different, and every example of fanservice is different. The law can't take all those factors into account, and doesn't work that way. All laws can do is restrict what artists are allowed to write or draw, or forbid them to sell it, which is basically the same thing. That's a big restriction on free expression and creativity just for the sake of keeping an unknown number of curious kids from finding out about sex before they're ready to, and a poor substitute for real parenting. At the end of the day, the only ones who can protect children from harmful influences and raise them properly are their parents. |
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