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Dec 21, 2010 5:59 AM
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The Association of Japanese Animations (AJA) released a statements about Tokyo's Anime and Manga Regulation Ordinance, which passed the metropolitan assembly on December 15th. AJA stated that the ordinance violates the freedom of expression and they endorses the manga publishers' opposition to the regulation. As the management administrator of Tokyo International Anime Fair (TAF), AJA wants a smooth holding of TAF 2011 but the quality of the festival will significantly decline due to the boycott by the ten manga publishers. AJA said "We are not authorized to make a decision on the cancellation of TAF, but it'll be practically impossible to hold TAF unless the situation gets improved." TAF 2011 is scheduled to be held this March. Consequence of the boycott anime withdrawn from TAF are masked AJA is a group of sixty anime producers such as Studio Ghibli, SUNRISE, Aniplex, Bandai Visual, GAINAX, Satelight, Toei Animation, BONES, MAD HOUSE Studios, Production I.G., Studio DEEN, Geneon, Studio Pierrot, J.C.Staff, GONZO. Sources: GIGAZINE, AJA |
dtshykDec 21, 2010 6:09 AM
Dec 21, 2010 6:08 AM
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when they mean the ordinance violate the Freedom of Expression did they literally mean this law will make the story makers less creative? i thought this law is just about regulating the sales of adult anime, manga, and games to minors? and good thing my favorite company GAINAX is not part of this mess so wise of them maybe they got the the law the same way i understand it EDIT: lol i was wrong GAINAX is part of this mess |
Dec 21, 2010 6:17 AM
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ios said: when they mean the ordinance violate the Freedom of Expression did they literally mean this law will make the story makers less creative? i thought this law is just about regulating the sales of adult anime, manga, and games to minors? Once a manga is designated as adult material, the sales channel will be restricted. So publishers have to change the description of the manga to avoid decrease in sales. Self-regulation of manga has been done by Publishing Ethics Council since 1960's but Tokyo government claims that's insufficient and imposed censorship by their hands. |
Dec 21, 2010 6:17 AM
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ios said: when they mean the ordinance violate the Freedom of Expression did they literally mean this law will make the story makers less creative? i thought this law is just about regulating the sales of adult anime, manga, and games to minors? Ff most ecchi animes/mangas/games go to the adult corner, they'll sell copies of them. So it'll have a bad effect on their sales, and thus to the industry itself. But like i said, now we just have to wait and see what'll happen in July. |
Dec 21, 2010 6:30 AM
#5
Someone need to headshot that stupid governor and peace will return once again :) |
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Dec 21, 2010 6:34 AM
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Dec 21, 2010 6:39 AM
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dtshyk said: ios said: Self-regulation of manga has been done by Publishing Ethics Council since 1960's but Tokyo government claims that's insufficient and imposed censorship by their hands. ok this is new info to me thanks but i think the law is good as it prevents children to buy products that are targeted to mature audiences ye this will affect their sales as they loose children who buy this mature products but its for the children's own good but ye lets see what happens now |
Dec 21, 2010 6:42 AM
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Dec 21, 2010 6:48 AM
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Just saw the image... Wow, Conan, Kimitodo, Mecha Mote, Doraemon, (and more that shouldn't consider the genre to restrict) are gone... I was shocked to see Patessiere gone (though I don't watch it). Shouldn't Hakuouki and Basara be censored? (wartime = violence for my opinion) |
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Dec 21, 2010 6:58 AM
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tsubasalover said: Just saw the image... Wow, Conan, Kimitodo, Mecha Mote, Doraemon, (and more that shouldn't consider the genre to restrict) are gone... I was shocked to see Patessiere gone (though I don't watch it). Shouldn't Hakuouki and Basara be censored? (wartime = violence for my opinion) those arent stuff that are going to be restricted. They are shows produced by studios that are against the ban. The studios took everything owned by them out of TAF no matter what it was. |
Dec 21, 2010 7:04 AM
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skullking123 said: those arent stuff that are going to be restricted. They are shows produced by studios that are against the ban. The studios took everything owned by them out of TAF no matter what it was. Oh, I see. Naruhodo |
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Dec 21, 2010 7:12 AM
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With One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's, Detective Conan, Fairy Tail, Pokemon, Major, Kimi ni Todoke and other big Anime not there, it is going to be quite a boycott. Maybe it'll show people's distaste at this bill. I can see why this bill has come up, and I agree with some parts of it. But stifling the artists/producers is definitely something that shouldn't happen. |
Dec 21, 2010 7:15 AM
#14
Ah yeah, even more nonsense. I wonder how many people yapping about freedom of expression actually know what it means. |
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Dec 21, 2010 7:28 AM
#15
I wanna see that mayor's result at the next election. |
Dec 21, 2010 8:16 AM
#16
ken akamatsu isn't using a publisher for out-of-print manga anymore, and makes money off of ad revenue to the website he uses to distribute manga, he might be banned from doing so, the isp might tell him off and remove his account, but it may be possible that he wont get noticed... then at least we can get Some Ecchi stuffs from japan. j-comi.jp I heard about the existence of his site through Mal News. |
Dec 21, 2010 8:45 AM
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tsubasalover said: Just saw the image... Wow, Conan, Kimitodo, Mecha Mote, Doraemon, (and more that shouldn't consider the genre to restrict) are gone... I was shocked to see Patessiere gone (though I don't watch it). Shouldn't Hakuouki and Basara be censored? (wartime = violence for my opinion) historical violence is OK! saw Ben 10 on that list too hehe. |
Dec 21, 2010 8:59 AM
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kisami said: tsubasalover said: Just saw the image... Wow, Conan, Kimitodo, Mecha Mote, Doraemon, (and more that shouldn't consider the genre to restrict) are gone... I was shocked to see Patessiere gone (though I don't watch it). Shouldn't Hakuouki and Basara be censored? (wartime = violence for my opinion) historical violence is OK! saw Ben 10 on that list too hehe. What I wanted to say was "even though history is important, it still has violence...." well, it was just my opinion. |
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Dec 21, 2010 9:08 AM
#20
now lets see what they government will do they have roughly about 3months+ they better make a quick decision, if not, we shall see we shall see |
Dec 21, 2010 9:11 AM
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Dec 21, 2010 9:26 AM
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ios said: The problem is you apparently did NOT understand the bill. And are being misled by the vague and incorrect statements from ishihara.when they mean the ordinance violate the Freedom of Expression did they literally mean this law will make the story makers less creative? i thought this law is just about regulating the sales of adult anime, manga, and games to minors? and good thing my favorite company GAINAX is not part of this mess so wise of them maybe they got the the law the same way i understand it This is good news, people are letting their voice be heard. Let's see how everything plays out. |
Dec 21, 2010 10:09 AM
#23
This bill is so stupid in many levels, they should take it down forever and fire Ishihara. |
Dec 21, 2010 10:23 AM
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Kimi ni Todoke, Gundam Unicorn, Major, InuYasha, Kobato, Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Fairy Tail, Dragon Ball, Detective Conan, Yumeiro Pâtissière. Well now those are some mainstream titles for you. The TAF 2011 is all but dead. Edit: Let's see what happens in July. Until then will just enjoy the shows out there atm. |
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Dec 21, 2010 10:40 AM
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Dec 21, 2010 10:45 AM
#26
thank god so many popular anime and manga series are opting out, perhaps now the government will understand how much this will hurt the Tokyo economy... but why is Ben 10 on that list? it is most certainly not anime |
"Forged in darkness with wheat harvested from Hell's half acre. Baked by Beelzabub; slathered with mayonnaise beaten from the evil eggs of dark chickens, force-fed to dogs by the hands of a one-eyed madman. Cheese boiled from the rancid utters of fanged cows. Layered with 666 separate meats from an animal which has maggots for blood." ATHF |
Dec 21, 2010 10:49 AM
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thank god so many popular series are opting out, perhaps now Tokyo will understand how much this will hurt their economy..... but why is Ben 10 up there? that is not anime! |
"Forged in darkness with wheat harvested from Hell's half acre. Baked by Beelzabub; slathered with mayonnaise beaten from the evil eggs of dark chickens, force-fed to dogs by the hands of a one-eyed madman. Cheese boiled from the rancid utters of fanged cows. Layered with 666 separate meats from an animal which has maggots for blood." ATHF |
Dec 21, 2010 10:59 AM
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Dec 21, 2010 11:51 AM
#29
LOL OWNED!!! |
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Dec 21, 2010 12:44 PM
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Dec 21, 2010 1:24 PM
#31
Finally, some concrete news on what's going down. I have been wondering for days. |
Dec 21, 2010 1:45 PM
#32
Is anyone else surprised at the at the level of reaction to this from the creators and fans? I mean, you know, Japan? Social harmony, nail that sticks up gets hammered down, go along to get along, and all that? Although there are rumors floating around the web that the metropolitan assembly didn't seek the input of the creators and kind of put this bill together unilaterally, so if there's some truth to that maybe that explains it. I mean, good for them, I really feel like anime's legacy is too important to stay quiet about and let politicians corrupt, but it still surprises me. |
Dec 21, 2010 3:01 PM
#33
this is totally fucked up stipid ass governments fuck things up once again its bad enough most want to censor our internets -edit-edit-- LOL--edit |
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Dec 21, 2010 3:15 PM
#34
Good lord, this has turned into a giant game of chicken! lets hope Ishihara either gives up early, or plumets off the cliff. i also wonder why ben 10 is there, anyone know? |
Dec 21, 2010 3:47 PM
#35
ben 10 is there cause is popular in japan i dunno why tho |
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Dec 21, 2010 3:52 PM
#36
I wonder why people are making such a fuss about this. It has been like this in Hollywood and people just live with it. How many kids/teens have seen R rated movies? I don't mean porn but R rated nevertheless. While it may give a bit of problems, the people who created manga/anime will learn to live with it and who knows, maybe it will improve some works.Now they won't rely on nudity and things like that for comedy. And how will it limit creativity? If you have less things to write about or whatever, then you have to do your best to make something worth reading/watching. If i got something wrong let me know on a comment so we don't go offtopic :P |
Dec 21, 2010 4:08 PM
#37
What exactly does the governor want to do? I haven't been keeping up with the whole fiasco all I know is something bad is going to be coming for anime/manga fans :( |
Dec 21, 2010 4:29 PM
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ShadowGilgamesh said: Good lord, this has turned into a giant game of chicken! lets hope Ishihara either gives up early, or plumets off the cliff. i also wonder why ben 10 is there, anyone know? In Japan, "Anime" means anything animated, not just what's written and published in Japan...so, I'd imagine if an American cartoon became popular in Japan its Japanese version might get a spot at TAF. |
Dec 21, 2010 8:43 PM
#39
*sighs*, (grabs protest sign), "FIGHT TEH POWER EVERYBODY!" |
Dec 21, 2010 9:03 PM
#40
some anime today are disgustingly weird and that's more than enough, so I'm not surprised by this at all. |
Dec 21, 2010 9:07 PM
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klowdz said: I wonder why people are making such a fuss about this. It has been like this in Hollywood and people just live with it. How many kids/teens have seen R rated movies? I don't mean porn but R rated nevertheless. While it may give a bit of problems, the people who created manga/anime will learn to live with it and who knows, maybe it will improve some works.Now they won't rely on nudity and things like that for comedy. And how will it limit creativity? If you have less things to write about or whatever, then you have to do your best to make something worth reading/watching. If i got something wrong let me know on a comment so we don't go offtopic :P this bill don't restricts creativty, it restricts the public that will buy the mangas and animes if fewer people buy, fewer money comes if a story will not bring money then it's canceled or don't is published simple like that and the mangakas have the right to write about what they want and use what they want in their stories. but in truth humans have a wierd logic. a 16 years old guy can wattch scenes with blood, shoots, death and violence even this things being horrible things in reality, but he can't see scenes with nudity and sex even when he already did it himself or will do soon and many times in his life. it's very very weird. (in some places you can drive and vote with 16 years!!!!) [I don't want to discuss it (here)] |
psy-pDec 21, 2010 9:15 PM
Dec 21, 2010 9:34 PM
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Dec 21, 2010 9:43 PM
#43
wow all those major popular anime not at the TAF really will effect them greatly, i mean wow i don't even know any of the anime that are left except Astro Boy,Afro Samurai (i think?), Pac-Man (wow really?) and Ben 10( why is that there anyway?). Anime like Beyblade,Yu-Gi-Oh,Naruto,Bleach, One Piece,Kimi Ni Todoke,Pokemon, Pastiserie,Keroro Gunsou, Rainbow,Fairy Tail, Transformers,Major,Tamagachi (lol), Inuyasha,Detective Conan,Dragon Ball,that guy from those mystery games (i forgot his name) So yeah those are all the anime titles i know the rest that were left out i don't know their names but other than those three i mentioned above i doubt that many people will know as much anime as they could have if the popular anime were there. In other words...the Tokyo's Anime and Manga Regulation Ordinance should just be changed so that they don't lose great anime that are really popular, and the fans are probably pretty pissed off right now. so yeah the AJA (i know most of those producers) have a good point, the attendance at the TAF is going to be not that great at all. |
rpn101Dec 21, 2010 9:48 PM
Dec 21, 2010 10:54 PM
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psy-p said: klowdz said: I wonder why people are making such a fuss about this. It has been like this in Hollywood and people just live with it. How many kids/teens have seen R rated movies? I don't mean porn but R rated nevertheless. While it may give a bit of problems, the people who created manga/anime will learn to live with it and who knows, maybe it will improve some works.Now they won't rely on nudity and things like that for comedy. And how will it limit creativity? If you have less things to write about or whatever, then you have to do your best to make something worth reading/watching. If i got something wrong let me know on a comment so we don't go offtopic :P this bill don't restricts creativty, it restricts the public that will buy the mangas and animes if fewer people buy, fewer money comes if a story will not bring money then it's canceled or don't is published simple like that and the mangakas have the right to write about what they want and use what they want in their stories. but in truth humans have a wierd logic. a 16 years old guy can wattch scenes with blood, shoots, death and violence even this things being horrible things in reality, but he can't see scenes with nudity and sex even when he already did it himself or will do soon and many times in his life. it's very very weird. (in some places you can drive and vote with 16 years!!!!) [I don't want to discuss it (here)] Being creative means being able to make great stories WITH the restrictions. IMO, is not right for,specially, shounen animes/mangas to have fanservice. They are targeted at kids/teens which shouldn't be getting that kind of things so early and so often. Now...I'm sure lots of teens have had sex, watched porn and extreme violence movies but it doesn't that we should just let them read/watch whatever they want just because some of them are doing it anyway. The bill is trying to protect people from things they shouldn't be watching/reading. Yes it means companies will complain, it means sales for some mangas/animes will lower. But it also means that people (parents) are sure their kids aren't watching things they shouldn't, yet at least. |
Dec 21, 2010 11:27 PM
#45
Well pretty much all the major anime is out of TAF, unless they get them back somehow theres no point in holding TAF at all. I agree with some parts of the bill but geez its restrictions are way too much. So FUCK THE BILL, FUCK ISHIHARA AND FUCK THE GOVERNMENT! And why is Ben 10: Alien Force so popular >_>, IMHO it sucks ass. Ben 10 was great though ^^;; FIGHTO~! |
Dec 22, 2010 12:31 AM
#46
klowdz said: psy-p said: klowdz said: I wonder why people are making such a fuss about this. It has been like this in Hollywood and people just live with it. How many kids/teens have seen R rated movies? I don't mean porn but R rated nevertheless. While it may give a bit of problems, the people who created manga/anime will learn to live with it and who knows, maybe it will improve some works.Now they won't rely on nudity and things like that for comedy. And how will it limit creativity? If you have less things to write about or whatever, then you have to do your best to make something worth reading/watching. If i got something wrong let me know on a comment so we don't go offtopic :P this bill don't restricts creativty, it restricts the public that will buy the mangas and animes if fewer people buy, fewer money comes if a story will not bring money then it's canceled or don't is published simple like that and the mangakas have the right to write about what they want and use what they want in their stories. but in truth humans have a wierd logic. a 16 years old guy can wattch scenes with blood, shoots, death and violence even this things being horrible things in reality, but he can't see scenes with nudity and sex even when he already did it himself or will do soon and many times in his life. it's very very weird. (in some places you can drive and vote with 16 years!!!!) [I don't want to discuss it (here)] Being creative means being able to make great stories WITH the restrictions. IMO, is not right for,specially, shounen animes/mangas to have fanservice. They are targeted at kids/teens which shouldn't be getting that kind of things so early and so often. Now...I'm sure lots of teens have had sex, watched porn and extreme violence movies but it doesn't that we should just let them read/watch whatever they want just because some of them are doing it anyway. The bill is trying to protect people from things they shouldn't be watching/reading. Yes it means companies will complain, it means sales for some mangas/animes will lower. But it also means that people (parents) are sure their kids aren't watching things they shouldn't, yet at least. Uh...not really. Unless the parents do away with their internet connection and keep their kids out of school, there's really no way they can "be sure" their kids aren't watching porn of some kind. I mean, porn is always one search away on the internet and in schools porn can be borrowed from friends. Heck, even with these restrictions, there's probably still a way to get it easily, if the kid had a mind to. Every good intention Ishihara mouths is an ineffective way to positively effect Japan's youth, though it's a very effective way to make himself look good to Japan's anti-otaku demographic (a rather large group, considering the stigma otaku have in Japanese media.) P.S. Being creative doesn't mean you can write good stories despite restrictions, that's just the sign of a good writer. The restrictions only choke the story - they'd be far better if the writer's ideas were allowed to be fully expanded upon. |
Dec 22, 2010 12:42 AM
#47
dtshyk said: AJA is a group of sixty anime producers such as Studio Ghibli, SUNRISE, Aniplex, Bandai Visual, GAINAX, Satelight, Toei Animation, BONES, MAD HOUSE Studios, Production I.G., Studio DEEN, Geneon, Studio Pierrot, J.C.Staff, GONZO. wow xD @topic NO COMMENT <>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
Dec 22, 2010 2:17 AM
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Dec 22, 2010 6:36 AM
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Dec 22, 2010 9:34 AM
#50
klowdz said: Being creative means being able to make great stories WITH the restrictions. IMO, is not right for,specially, shounen animes/mangas to have fanservice. They are targeted at kids/teens which shouldn't be getting that kind of things so early and so often. Now...I'm sure lots of teens have had sex, watched porn and extreme violence movies but it doesn't that we should just let them read/watch whatever they want just because some of them are doing it anyway. The bill is trying to protect people from things they shouldn't be watching/reading. Yes it means companies will complain, it means sales for some mangas/animes will lower. But it also means that people (parents) are sure their kids aren't watching things they shouldn't, yet at least. inteligent people know that you can't be sure what your childrens are doing when they are out of your sight. this kind of thing just negates reality, it's not some teenages that do it is the major part of them they need that their parents talk to them, but with this kind of thing the parents will think "they don't know about it so I don't need to talk" but in truth they know and they are doing it, without the needed advice this is just hipocrisy and lazyness. there are no restrictions about what authors can write, they can write about anything they want but this doesn't mean that is alright. the series will sell less, the companies will get less money and the mangakas will be harmed as consequence (canceled series, non- published series...) |
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