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Mar 17, 2010 10:26 AM
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noteDhero said:
If I say, "I don't understand how anyone can not see this show for the garbage it is"......(abbreviation)..... Sora no Woto isn't even the best of the season.
Sora no wo to is a good anime.This animme has its own "pace" ~~~
noteDhero said:

Rather than be depressing, this sudden turn of events is only nonsensical, and because I don't see anything serious happening, none of those feelings of dread or anxiety have come over me. Even with this last cliffhanger ending.
Anime nowadays.....Director that directing the anime nowadays, seems to give me a feeling that their are trying to build the character(to MOE it) without having much story development,so that the story would be easy to swallow at the end(cliffhanger ending i suppose?).Some sort of philosophy thingy i think....There are people really like this sort of thing,but some just hate down straight.....
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noteDhero said:

I'd like to know where I've been uncivilized. I'm quite aware that I can be argumentative and forceful about my opinions (so much so that I make myself clear on my intents with not only that blog post but a short disclaimer in the 'About Me' section of my profile) but I don't think think that I have ever been off-topic, rude, or unnecessarily inflammatory towards any single person. If I say, "I don't understand how anyone can not see this show for the garbage it is" and you get offended because you think it's great, then I'm sorry.


You don't have to tell someone that he is a jackass to be uncivilized. But if you don't see how you're being rude when you call something garbage than you have a problem.



noteDhero said:

Sora no Woto isn't even the best of the season.


Did I say that? I don't recall I did. I also liked Cannan, Tokyo M.Kimi ni Todoke and many others more than this. But I tried to take the best from all of the shows and not only chase for the mistakes that the authors made.

noteDhero said:
In the case of Dennou Coil, the plot twist was not that that one girl saves the other from her troubles with kindness. The plot twist was
Now, I saw DC around the same time that I saw HR, so I'm quite fuzzy, but ringoo4 seems to remember it rather well.


You should re watch it then...cause you obviously don't remember it quit well.

noteDhero said:
As for thinking that you were trying to say that they were equal in quality, then yes I was. You said that the shows are similar in that they just get depressing. I would also disagree with that, though, because this show is just not depressing. That would mean that the writers have created a mood that is the antithesis of what has been shown thus far, and they just aren't that talented to create the juxtaposition that was there in HR and to a different extent in DC. Rather than be depressing, this sudden turn of events is only nonsensical, and because I don't see anything serious happening, none of those feelings of dread or anxiety have come over me. Even with this last cliffhanger ending.


Well I wasn't saying that... I don't know about you but I was expecting a plot like this. I also sure that it will end with a happy ending but there is a obvious attempt to make things more depressing. Maybe they failed for you but they succeeded for many others. And if not depressing than to make it a little more interesting.
Besides that maybe it would be a beater show if there were more episodes and the writers did a beater job but since they hade certain limitations I would say they did a semi good job. Maybe it would be beater if they brought all of this a little earlier... but they at least tried...If they continued the pace of the first episode in which Kanata sees the angel and Riu mentions her father than it would be much beater but all in all no reason to expect something special and then be outraged by the lack of depth. As I stated before, why watch the show if you dislike it…
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If he is.... chiaki-sama has another thing to mock.



edited: wait, it can be even Dennou Coil or Detective Conan. lololol


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh man, his faces in that were something else.

It might be Dennou Coil. If it is, then I'd have to utterly disagree there also, but at least I see the pattern he's trying to draw with the characters.

Perplex said:

well there was some forshadowing (the peace talk, Rio), the last two episodes showed us the conflict getting started and in the next (last?) one we will see it climaxing.

As far as I can see Sora no Woto is/was a fairly decent show, which had its ups and downs. (and to prevent misunderstandings here: Konata wetting herself in a used Pretty Cure costum was undisputable on the "down"-side)


The thing is though...when the characters aren't even bothered to know what's going on with the peace talks, why should I even care? Some villager asked a question a while ago, and Kanata didn't know, but that's no surprise here, she's a dipshit. Kureha didn't know, and even Mugi seemed to be a little wish-washy on the details if I remember correctly. Sure, I thought, "well, they're clearly trying to drop a hint," but it failed because no one cared and it's their job to care.

The writers just don't know what they're doing. Like I said, nothing feels fresh about the show, and the one solid thing they did that held my attention for more than a minute (maiden's of fire) is currently being called into question.


Well first off let's put alot of the story itself into context. First off the level of technology means that their speed and access to communication is rather limited in comparison to our modern day means. That is an obvious fact, but for some reason people tend to look at things from their own experences and backgrounds.
I grew up out in Western South Dakota before the age of cell phones, internet, and more than 3 TV stations. News, even important news travled alot slower back then.
Also it is important to remember that these aren't cream of the crop front line troops. That point was drilled home when the 9th division moved in. They all looked like big, tough, battleharded guys. These girls are basically what are best described as "static" troops. There job was to sit and act as a kind of trip wire. At most they went out and poked around a bit. Down through histoy you will see this kind of thing played out again and again by the major colonial powers. Stick your most expendable troops off in the backwater posts that are the quietest in order to show the flag and keep a lid on things. At most this platoon was acting as a sort of local police force and maybe not even that since there was no direct example of this other than the Search and Rescue episode. That one episode however does help make my point. The fact that this garrison duty would be long and rather boring also helps justify all the Moe stuff that has gone on.
As they say in the Army "war is 99% bordom and 1% pure heart stopping terror".
Well so far this series has done a good job with sticking with that, which really does make it more realistic in someways. We have covered the "bordom" now we are getting to the "pure terror" part.
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southdkotaboy said:
noteDhero said:
ringoo4 said:


If he is.... chiaki-sama has another thing to mock.



edited: wait, it can be even Dennou Coil or Detective Conan. lololol


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh man, his faces in that were something else.

It might be Dennou Coil. If it is, then I'd have to utterly disagree there also, but at least I see the pattern he's trying to draw with the characters.

Perplex said:

well there was some forshadowing (the peace talk, Rio), the last two episodes showed us the conflict getting started and in the next (last?) one we will see it climaxing.

As far as I can see Sora no Woto is/was a fairly decent show, which had its ups and downs. (and to prevent misunderstandings here: Konata wetting herself in a used Pretty Cure costum was undisputable on the "down"-side)


The thing is though...when the characters aren't even bothered to know what's going on with the peace talks, why should I even care? Some villager asked a question a while ago, and Kanata didn't know, but that's no surprise here, she's a dipshit. Kureha didn't know, and even Mugi seemed to be a little wish-washy on the details if I remember correctly. Sure, I thought, "well, they're clearly trying to drop a hint," but it failed because no one cared and it's their job to care.

The writers just don't know what they're doing. Like I said, nothing feels fresh about the show, and the one solid thing they did that held my attention for more than a minute (maiden's of fire) is currently being called into question.


Well first off let's put alot of the story itself into context. First off the level of technology means that their speed and access to communication is rather limited in comparison to our modern day means. That is an obvious fact, but for some reason people tend to look at things from their own experences and backgrounds.
I grew up out in Western South Dakota before the age of cell phones, internet, and more than 3 TV stations. News, even important news travled alot slower back then.
Also it is important to remember that these aren't cream of the crop front line troops. That point was drilled home when the 9th division moved in. They all looked like big, tough, battleharded guys. These girls are basically what are best described as "static" troops. There job was to sit and act as a kind of trip wire. At most they went out and poked around a bit. Down through histoy you will see this kind of thing played out again and again by the major colonial powers. Stick your most expendable troops off in the backwater posts that are the quietest in order to show the flag and keep a lid on things. At most this platoon was acting as a sort of local police force and maybe not even that since there was no direct example of this other than the Search and Rescue episode. That one episode however does help make my point. The fact that this garrison duty would be long and rather boring also helps justify all the Moe stuff that has gone on.
As they say in the Army "war is 99% bordom and 1% pure heart stopping terror".
Well so far this series has done a good job with sticking with that, which really does make it more realistic in someways. We have covered the "bordom" now we are getting to the "pure terror" part.


Ahahah nice one...I live in a country that has been in war for 10 years. Even in the capital (where things were 80% of the time quiet) we had little real sense of what was happening just 300 km away. Because the informations got delayed or they don’t come at all and you find out about them 5 years later…
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gloryfy said:
Sora no wo to is a good anime.This animme has its own "pace" ~~~

Pace really has nothing to do with it for me. There are slower series like Aria that I flat out love. Aria the Origination is pretty much the standard for straight slice of life that others have to live up to. When I call it bad, I'm talking about not only the pace, but the nature of the storytelling, characters, overall plot, and ludicrous amount of fanservice.

Anime nowadays.....Director that directing the anime nowadays, seems to give me a feeling that their are trying to build the character(to MOE it) without having much story development,so that the story would be easy to swallow at the end(cliffhanger ending i suppose?).Some sort of philosophy thingy i think....There are people really like this sort of thing,but some just hate down straight.....

I think it's a trend, but I don't think it can be said for all anime as of recent. I'll point to Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 and Durarara as examples of significant story/plot development. Even more unsuccessful shows like Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom. But again, it might be more pervasive than I think, since I outright avoid many shows. That said, I think Endless Eight might support your theory.

RinM said:


You don't have to tell someone that he is a jackass to be uncivilized. But if you don't see how you're being rude when you call something garbage than you have a problem.


We clearly have two different ideas of civility, then. I think expressing my opinion in a way that isn't overly caustic or offensive (be they negative or positive) is civilized. It seems that you think that if I have something negative to say, using the word "garbage" is uncivilized, since that's the only example you continue to turn to.

Did I say that? I don't recall I did. I also liked Cannan, Tokyo M.Kimi ni Todoke and many others more than this. But I tried to take the best from all of the shows and not only chase for the mistakes that the authors made.

No. Technically, you said it was "one of the [better] ones [this season]," and as I've said, since I don't think it's even good, I wouldn't call it one of the better shows this Winter. The show is mediocre at best. I have it rated at a 5, but I think it might be more of a 4.


You should re watch it then...cause you obviously don't remember it quit well.

Please, refresh me in spoiler tags.


Well I wasn't saying that... I don't know about you but I was expecting a plot like this. I also sure that it will end with a happy ending but there is a obvious attempt to make things more depressing. Maybe they failed for you but they succeeded for many others. And if not depressing than to make it a little more interesting.


Well then what did you mean when you posted this
RinM said:
Frakking Amazing....It is always with shows like these... Haibane Renmei and Dennou Coil...It starts nice and everything seems like a child’s play...and then it gets so sad and depressing...I just hope that none of the girls die... Uh wouldn't it be cool if this is just the first season...A very good ( and detailed) prequel to the real story...


Because the similarities to K-On were apparent from the beginning, I recognized what was going to happen: The show was going to completely drift away from the point of the show for lame slice of life, and then meander it's way back to try and prove itself by accomplishing something meaningful, or at least wonderfully animated. The show has been very predictable in that sense. That's why when I say things like, "Oh, that phone call means something, but I don't care" it is my way of pointing out how by the numbers this soul-less show is. If it succeeds for others, then I'm disappointed. That's the nicest way I can put it. That you can say there is an obvious attempt to make things more depressing/interesting, yet you are sure things will turn out positively only means that the show fails in its attempt. Good drama will make one worry for the characters because they don't know what to think (not in a bad, nothing makes sense and the plot is so arbitrary sort of way).

Besides that maybe it would be a beater show if there were more episodes and the writers did a beater job but since they hade certain limitations I would say they did a semi good job. Maybe it would be beater if they brought all of this a little earlier... but they at least tried...If they continued the pace of the first episode in which Kanata sees the angel and Riu mentions her father than it would be much beater but all in all no reason to expect something special and then be outraged by the lack of depth. As I stated before, why watch the show if you dislike it…

See, this is what I like. Now you're admitting that they've only done a "semi-good" and "decent" job as opposed to it being a good show. Again, though, I'll point to short shows like Haibane Renmei and Higashi no Eden that takes the format and doesn't dawdle. There honestly doesn't need to be more episodes for this story. Had they taken out most of the do-nothing slice of life elements and focused more on the girls knowing each other (as opposed to everyone superficially falling in love with Kanata) and Kanata actually learning to play her instrument, the show would have better displayed all the war themes that it tries so hard to put on display.

They didn't try to make something good. They wanted to make something that would sell. In that aspect, they may have succeeded, but we won't know until the DVDs come out. We can speculate about all the what ifs, but at the end of the day, that's not what the staff chose. I can only evaluate what I see.

If you really want to know why I don't drop the show, it's for many reasons. The first being that I don't see the point in dropping a short series after watching a few episodes. Secondly, there are certain shows that become worth watching just to be apart of the discussion (White Album and Umineko come to mind). Thirdly, because I think it's important to have a general sense of the way the industry is going, and to watch shows that I like just doesn't lend well to that understanding. There are many more reasons why, but at the end of the day, they are all very personal, and have nothing to do with you. That's why I say that it's unimportant to question why I watch a show. Either engage me on the points that I make and have a happy discussion, or ignore me and be happy. Either way you should be happy. I know I am.

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noteDhero said:
gloryfy said:
Sora no wo to is a good anime.This animme has its own "pace" ~~~

Pace really has nothing to do with it for me. There are slower series like Aria that I flat out love. Aria the Origination is pretty much the standard for straight slice of life that others have to live up to. When I call it bad, I'm talking about not only the pace, but the nature of the storytelling, characters, overall plot, and ludicrous amount of fanservice.

Anime nowadays.....Director that directing the anime nowadays, seems to give me a feeling that their are trying to build the character(to MOE it) without having much story development,so that the story would be easy to swallow at the end(cliffhanger ending i suppose?).Some sort of philosophy thingy i think....There are people really like this sort of thing,but some just hate down straight.....

I think it's a trend, but I don't think it can be said for all anime as of recent. I'll point to Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 and Durarara as examples of significant story/plot development. Even more unsuccessful shows like Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom. But again, it might be more pervasive than I think, since I outright avoid many shows. That said, I think Endless Eight might support your theory.

RinM said:


You don't have to tell someone that he is a jackass to be uncivilized. But if you don't see how you're being rude when you call something garbage than you have a problem.


We clearly have two different ideas of civility, then. I think expressing my opinion in a way that isn't overly caustic or offensive (be they negative or positive) is civilized. It seems that you think that if I have something negative to say, using the word "garbage" is uncivilized, since that's the only example you continue to turn to.

Did I say that? I don't recall I did. I also liked Cannan, Tokyo M.Kimi ni Todoke and many others more than this. But I tried to take the best from all of the shows and not only chase for the mistakes that the authors made.

No. Technically, you said it was "one of the [better] ones [this season]," and as I've said, since I don't think it's even good, I wouldn't call it one of the better shows this Winter. The show is mediocre at best. I have it rated at a 5, but I think it might be more of a 4.


You should re watch it then...cause you obviously don't remember it quit well.

Please, refresh me in spoiler tags.


Well I wasn't saying that... I don't know about you but I was expecting a plot like this. I also sure that it will end with a happy ending but there is a obvious attempt to make things more depressing. Maybe they failed for you but they succeeded for many others. And if not depressing than to make it a little more interesting.


Well then what did you mean when you posted this
RinM said:
Frakking Amazing....It is always with shows like these... Haibane Renmei and Dennou Coil...It starts nice and everything seems like a child’s play...and then it gets so sad and depressing...I just hope that none of the girls die... Uh wouldn't it be cool if this is just the first season...A very good ( and detailed) prequel to the real story...


Because the similarities to K-On were apparent from the beginning, I recognized what was going to happen: The show was going to completely drift away from the point of the show for lame slice of life, and then meander it's way back to try and prove itself by accomplishing something meaningful, or at least wonderfully animated. The show has been very predictable in that sense. That's why when I say things like, "Oh, that phone call means something, but I don't care" it is my way of pointing out how by the numbers this soul-less show is. If it succeeds for others, then I'm disappointed. That's the nicest way I can put it. That you can say there is an obvious attempt to make things more depressing/interesting, yet you are sure things will turn out positively only means that the show fails in its attempt. Good drama will make one worry for the characters because they don't know what to think (not in a bad, nothing makes sense and the plot is so arbitrary sort of way).

Besides that maybe it would be a beater show if there were more episodes and the writers did a beater job but since they hade certain limitations I would say they did a semi good job. Maybe it would be beater if they brought all of this a little earlier... but they at least tried...If they continued the pace of the first episode in which Kanata sees the angel and Riu mentions her father than it would be much beater but all in all no reason to expect something special and then be outraged by the lack of depth. As I stated before, why watch the show if you dislike it…

See, this is what I like. Now you're admitting that they've only done a "semi-good" and "decent" job as opposed to it being a good show. Again, though, I'll point to short shows like Haibane Renmei and Higashi no Eden that takes the format and doesn't dawdle. There honestly doesn't need to be more episodes for this story. Had they taken out most of the do-nothing slice of life elements and focused more on the girls knowing each other (as opposed to everyone superficially falling in love with Kanata) and Kanata actually learning to play her instrument, the show would have better displayed all the war themes that it tries so hard to put on display.

They didn't try to make something good. They wanted to make something that would sell. In that aspect, they may have succeeded, but we won't know until the DVDs come out. We can speculate about all the what ifs, but at the end of the day, that's not what the staff chose. I can only evaluate what I see.

If you really want to know why I don't drop the show, it's for many reasons. The first being that I don't see the point in dropping a short series after watching a few episodes. Secondly, there are certain shows that become worth watching just to be apart of the discussion (White Album and Umineko come to mind). Thirdly, because I think it's important to have a general sense of the way the industry is going, and to watch shows that I like just doesn't lend well to that understanding. There are many more reasons why, but at the end of the day, they are all very personal, and have nothing to do with you. That's why I say that it's unimportant to question why I watch a show. Either engage me on the points that I make and have a happy discussion, or ignore me and be happy. Either way you should be happy. I know I am.

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Except that the news was in the paper, and Rio knew. Everyone else should have known.


You fail in so many ways but I don't care any more... This discussion has bored me to death and I don't see much point or have time to discuss with someone who think he can not be wrong. So I will listen to you little advice and just ignore your arrogant, aggressive behavior from now on.
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And I'll just point out that I did admit that I was wrong when I said you were equating SnW and HR in quality. I don't have a problem being wrong. But in order to prove me wrong you have to show examples and present them in a consistent manner.
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This thread made me lol. Probably the best SoraWoto thread yet.
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Wasabi said:
This thread made me lol. Probably the best SoraWoto thread yet.


then join the fun :D
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Durarara was terrible.
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MrRogers said:
Durarara was terrible.

And what does it have to do with SnW?
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MrRogers said:
Durarara was terrible.


This made this Thread enjoyable again xD

southdkotaboy said:

Well first off let's put alot of the story itself into context. First off the level of technology means that their speed and access to communication is rather limited in comparison to our modern day means. That is an obvious fact, but for some reason people tend to look at things from their own experences and backgrounds.
I grew up out in Western South Dakota before the age of cell phones, internet, and more than 3 TV stations. News, even important news travled alot slower back then.
Also it is important to remember that these aren't cream of the crop front line troops. That point was drilled home when the 9th division moved in. They all looked like big, tough, battleharded guys. These girls are basically what are best described as "static" troops. There job was to sit and act as a kind of trip wire. At most they went out and poked around a bit. Down through histoy you will see this kind of thing played out again and again by the major colonial powers. Stick your most expendable troops off in the backwater posts that are the quietest in order to show the flag and keep a lid on things. At most this platoon was acting as a sort of local police force and maybe not even that since there was no direct example of this other than the Search and Rescue episode. That one episode however does help make my point. The fact that this garrison duty would be long and rather boring also helps justify all the Moe stuff that has gone on.
As they say in the Army "war is 99% bordom and 1% pure heart stopping terror".
Well so far this series has done a good job with sticking with that, which really does make it more realistic in someways. We have covered the "bordom" now we are getting to the "pure terror" part.


Soooo rrrrright. While reading most of the posts in this thread quiet anxiously, I was thinking of how to put my thoughts about this show into words. That's pretty most of what I thought.

If you add, that the whole turn of events was foreshadowed throughout the series, this show has a quiet logical plot. Now most will go out "which plot? Nothing really happened there!". Yup, nothing happened, except we learned to know each charakter, the world they live in, their pasts, hints on history. For me, the most part of the series was more depressing, than funny or moe or something like that. Because of the constant flow of hints of what happened and could happen in near future plus the sorrowless behaviour of Kanata and Kureha (every other charakter showed some sorrows) made it hard to get into an entirely happy mood.
I was sitting there and telling myself that there won't happen anything, everyone will be alright, but inside i knew something is going to destroy that "peace".

Respect for the studio trying this kind of storytelling.

And yeah, everyone in town knew about the interrogation, but if i remember correctly, they asked about how they went. So why doesn't Felicia know about it? We get the answer in this episode: They didn't get any notice about that, only that they should take every patrol serious.
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MrRogers said:
Durarara was terrible.

I'm glad none of those three words had any context of this thread.

Go make your hate in the right forum.
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RinM said:
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noteDhero,
I'm very surprised that for someone that doesn't like the show and calls it trash all the time you actually still watch it...
This show has many similarities wit HR and DC...Why? Well because there are always two girls who are the main protagonists and one is a gentile girl (Yasako) and the other brave girl (Isako)... The one is cheerful and the other one burdened with a terrible past...
Now ( and I guaranty this to you) if you just stop watching "this trash" you won't feel so annoyed by it... And we won’t feel so annoyed by you’re constant bitching…

I am sorry but allow me to butt in so to speak....noteDhero is considered a good friend of mines and his bitching as you say is quite smart.....he shows his standards, his opinions and his viewing experience into smart arguing....not to mention his bitching brings one key aspect outlining the negative aspects of any show but also showing its merits at the best points in logical senses.....should noteDhero miss something due to memory or such we point it out to him and most of times if he needs to......he changes his opinion about that.....now regarding this show he is right about its similarities to other ones and most of all his comparing is also right from what I have seen so far when it was applicable even though sometimes we do not agree......I don't need to stress it out if there is no merit.....such as I find this show cute or things like I liked this but noteDhero does not.....point being he is a very logical and I regard his opinions as a good view of the bad points in any discussion he is at.....


Ok and?

and the point is that although noteDhero might offend people and is perfectly capable of defending his point.....I for one agree with his points due to his experience in the anime field to make myself clear.....I cannot compete with you people due to my little of anime viewing but I can certainly apply logic and that logic tells me if you only look at noteDhero as someone who insults what you like.....look more into his reasoning and sense....you shall find what is the negative aspect and what may be the good things.

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I guess people get high when it comes to robot ^^ .
RinM said:
But if you don't see how you're being rude when you call something garbage than you have a problem.
Ouch...I am watching garbage right now? Gosh.. this anime still got one more episode to go...and i felt like the discussion thread are meant for last episode.(~the problem of "slice of life " having a cliffhanger ending). I think this anime is still good categorized as a slice of life anime ,i totally forgot there's a military behind it when i watch ^^ .I wonder how the last episode will deliver the killing blow?
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Wasabi said:
This thread made me lol. Probably the best SoraWoto thread yet.

Yes, it's 11eyes all over again.

Though, that was a trainwreck waiting to happen (*RAGE AT YUKA!* :P)
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Wasabi said:
This thread made me lol. Probably the best SoraWoto thread yet.

Yes, it's 11eyes all over again.

Though, that was a train-wreck waiting to happen (*RAGE AT YUKA!* :P)

So I assume with this it's rage at the different values and comparing of animes I did not see although Haibane Renmei is getting a interest from me now...so my rage..........I got none this time other than Hopkins giving me chills at what he might do.

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I’m sorry but I’m not about to argue with someone who didn’t eve think about what I have wrote. If someone didn’t read the post it was you….
You didn't even read my post again. Only thing I pointed out was how your word to word is being offensive against noteDhero, when what he did was only criticising the anime, not you.

RinM said:
You fail in so many ways but I don't care any more... This discussion has bored me to death and I don't see much point or have time to discuss with someone who think he can not be wrong. So I will listen to you little advice and just ignore your arrogant, aggressive behavior from now on.
You just lost the game. Do more internet pleazzze.

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This thread made me lol. Probably the best SoraWoto thread yet.

Yes, it's 11eyes all over again.

Though, that was a trainwreck waiting to happen (*RAGE AT YUKA!* :P)
Yey. xD
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I don't think we'll ever has as epic a series of threads as 11eyes. It was just so...epically fun to read.
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none of the two will die
I think Filicia will kick the bucket

the german sound with english subs was to much for my german brain XD
It was well spoken but it felt so strange.

genre shift for the last two episode sucks in my opinion and a bad sadistic general was the last thing this show needs
the tank which Noel repaired is a better model than the tank the helvetian troops brought along ; D

I hope I will like the last episode
Otherwise I would be overly sad because I liked the first 9 episodes a lot.
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I hope I will like the last episode
Otherwise I would be overly sad because I liked the first 9 episodes a lot.
Don't be too shocked about cute deaths Fabienne.....there might be blood! As if there was not enough hints around the serie itself for that......

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Fabienne said:
I hope I will like the last episode
Otherwise I would be overly sad because I liked the first 9 episodes a lot.
Don't be too shocked about cute deaths Fabienne.....there might be blood! As if there was not enough hints around the serie itself for that......

dont get me wrong,I like tank battles XD
But I can hardly watch when main characters bite the dust

Im very curious about the end and Noel's tank
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Now if only the series was as good/drama as this thread. *sigh*


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]You didn't even read my post again. Only thing I pointed out was how your word to word is being offensive against noteDhero, when what he did was only criticising the anime, not you.


I did actually... twice. Talk about the waste of time. It is you who finds what ever meaning he wishes in what he reeds.



ringoo4 said:
]You just lost the game. Do more internet pleazzze.


Stopping an argument with a person who has decided, even before it started, that he is right is not a loss to me. It is actually a win.
And one more thing, I have been on the internet for the last 4 years so maybe you should do more internet...that or grow up a little bit and then come back.
But then again, filing you're selfe superior just because you have more posts than me is sad…You should find some friends…Real ones.

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I did actually... twice. Talk about the waste of time. It is you who finds what ever meaning he wishes in what he reeds.
Funny thing is, that sentence of yours makes no sense.

RinM said:
Stopping an argument with a person who has decided, even before it started, that he is right is not a loss to me. It is actually a win.
And one more thing, I have been on the internet for the last 4 years so maybe you should do more internet...that or grow up a little bit and then come back.
However, I failed to detect any 'wins' in your discussion. Because they are either '1. You sir is wrong becaue you have different opinion with me!!! 2. You sir is arrogant!!!'. You know... I was on the internet only about 1 year, ; Year doesn't matter. You are still unavailable to find anything actually wrong with noteDhero and it actually is; since it's all about opinion which is objective to everyone. So, you are basically the one who's getting arrogant and off topic by saying things like below;

RinM said:
You fail in so many ways but I don't care any more... This discussion has bored me to death and I don't see much point or have time to discuss with someone who think he can not be wrong. So I will listen to you little advice and just ignore your arrogant, aggressive behavior from now on.
noteDhero 'never' was arrogant. What he only did was 'criticising' the story, yet you are calling him aggressive. Imature much for me.

You never stopped the discussion. What you did is just whiny flaming.

Plus, I just love dramas. This will make this anime at least more interesting.

RinM said:
But then again, filing you're selfe superior just because you have more posts than me is sad…You should find some friends…Real ones.
Cry me a river. You just failed again.

> self superior
> never happened
> your IMAGINATIOOOON
> Implicated meaning of your post: Get out of mai internet!! I'm gonna cry!! WAAA ;________;
> Mai answer: Never



Just reminder, I joined here only 6 months ago. I don't even have friends in this forum. It's just you who's encouranging me to join this allagant off topic discussions.
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ringoo4 said:
RinM said:
I did actually... twice. Talk about the waste of time. It is you who finds what ever meaning he wishes in what he reeds.
Funny thing is, that sentence of yours makes no sense.

RinM said:
Stopping an argument with a person who has decided, even before it started, that he is right is not a loss to me. It is actually a win.
And one more thing, I have been on the internet for the last 4 years so maybe you should do more internet...that or grow up a little bit and then come back.
However, I failed to detect any 'wins' in your discussion. Because they are either '1. You sir is wrong becaue you have different opinion with me!!! 2. You sir is arrogant!!!'. You know... I was on the internet only about 1 year, ; Year doesn't matter. You are still unavailable to find anything actually wrong with noteDhero and it actually is; since it's all about opinion which is objective to everyone. So, you are basically the one who's getting arrogant and off topic by saying things like below;

RinM said:
You fail in so many ways but I don't care any more... This discussion has bored me to death and I don't see much point or have time to discuss with someone who think he can not be wrong. So I will listen to you little advice and just ignore your arrogant, aggressive behavior from now on.
noteDhero 'never' was arrogant. What he only did was 'criticising' the story, yet you are calling him aggressive. Imature much for me.

You never stopped the discussion. What you did is just whiny flaming.

Plus, I just love dramas. This will make this anime at least more interesting.

RinM said:
But then again, filing you're selfe superior just because you have more posts than me is sad…You should find some friends…Real ones.
Cry me a river. You just failed again.

> self superior
> never happened
> your IMAGINATIOOOON
> Implicated meaning of your post: Get out of mai internet!! I'm gonna cry!! WAAA ;________;
> Mai answer: Never



Just reminder, I joined here only 6 months ago. I don't even have friends in this forum. It's just you who's encouranging me to join this allagant off topic discussions.


Hit a spot there hah...fine I'll stop teasing you ...since I see you can't stand It :D
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Fabienne said:
francismeunier said:
Fabienne said:
I hope I will like the last episode
Otherwise I would be overly sad because I liked the first 9 episodes a lot.
Don't be too shocked about cute deaths Fabienne.....there might be blood! As if there was not enough hints around the serie itself for that......

dont get me wrong,I like tank battles XD
But I can hardly watch when main characters bite the dust

Im very curious about the end and Noel's tank

Well same here about the tanks battles but there will be casualties....I have a bad hunch about some of the towns' people biting the dust especially the kids might. Main characters because of that might bite the dust too.

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Hit a spot there hah...fine I'll stop teasing you ...since I see you can't stand It :D
Way ignore the harsh truth. I'm the one teasing you. I was smiling when I'm posting above post. I'm sure you didn't.

INTERNETO IZU TEH SERIOUS BUSINESZZZ



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ringoo4 said:
RinM said:
Hit a spot there hah...fine I'll stop teasing you ...since I see you can't stand It :D
Way ignore the harsh truth. I'm the one teasing you. I was smiling when I'm posting above post. I'm sure you didn't.

INTERNETO IZU TEH SERIOUS BUSINESZZZ



Facedesk is not included, since it will hurt myself.


Actually I was...But ok...I see puberty is hitting you hard...No reason to be angry...It will pass :D
Oh and pleas do continue to reply to my posts the pictures are hilarious :D
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Actually I was...But ok...I see puberty is hitting you hard...No reason to be angry...It will pass :D
Oh and pleas do continue to reply to my posts the pictures are hilarious :D
You know, keep doing that doesn't make you cooler. I'm a bit worried, you are just repeating the same thing like whiny parrot. That is never cool, but dirty.

Accept the truth, mah boi. The world is open to you. If you do, we will all forgive ya.

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ringoo4 said:
RinM said:
Actually I was...But ok...I see puberty is hitting you hard...No reason to be angry...It will pass :D
Oh and pleas do continue to reply to my posts the pictures are hilarious :D
You know, keep doing that doesn't make you cooler. I'm a bit worried, you are just repeating the same thing like whiny parrot. That is never cool, but dirty.

Accept the truth, mah boi. The world is open to you. If you do, we will all forgive ya.




lol so i did hit a spot....well what ever...
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francismeunier said:
Fabienne said:
francismeunier said:
Fabienne said:
I hope I will like the last episode
Otherwise I would be overly sad because I liked the first 9 episodes a lot.
Don't be too shocked about cute deaths Fabienne.....there might be blood! As if there was not enough hints around the serie itself for that......

dont get me wrong,I like tank battles XD
But I can hardly watch when main characters bite the dust

Im very curious about the end and Noel's tank

Well same here about the tanks battles but there will be casualties....I have a bad hunch about some of the towns' people biting the dust especially the kids might. Main characters because of that might bite the dust too.


There's the probability of Rio coming back with special cavalry. Or when she's getting back everyone gets his hopes high and Takemikazushi stops killing or starts fighting xD endless options of what could happen.
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A nice and plot-heavy episode. ED was totally out of place though.
I want to know more about Noels past!

Also, I wonder how no one mentioned the "The witch of Helvetia" and "Colonel Hopkins"... More like- "general", eh? ^^
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There's the probability of Rio coming back with special cavalry. Or when she's getting back everyone gets his hopes high and Takemikazushi stops killing or starts fighting xD endless options of what could happen.
Somehow i hope that the ending be finish moderately.I hope it won't be to extreme.And i also hope it has something to do with "sound" as a theme for the ending ^^
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Rathma said:

There's the probability of Rio coming back with special cavalry. Or when she's getting back everyone gets his hopes high and Takemikazushi stops killing or starts fighting xD endless options of what could happen.
Somehow i hope that the ending be finish moderately.I hope it won't be to extreme.And i also hope it has something to do with "sound" as a theme for the ending ^^

I'm thinking Lord of the Rings III, Gandalf-like entrance.
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Rathma said:
francismeunier said:
Fabienne said:
francismeunier said:
Fabienne said:
I hope I will like the last episode
Otherwise I would be overly sad because I liked the first 9 episodes a lot.
Don't be too shocked about cute deaths Fabienne.....there might be blood! As if there was not enough hints around the serie itself for that......

dont get me wrong,I like tank battles XD
But I can hardly watch when main characters bite the dust

Im very curious about the end and Noel's tank

Well same here about the tanks battles but there will be casualties....I have a bad hunch about some of the towns' people biting the dust especially the kids might. Main characters because of that might bite the dust too.


There's the probability of Rio coming back with special cavalry. Or when she's getting back everyone gets his hopes high and Takemikazushi stops killing or starts fighting xD endless options of what could happen.

I've tried to think how they could end this show
but I couldn'd imagine a scenario which fits into 24 minutes.
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@Fabienne
can make a movie with just 24 minute.example: Cencoroll ( i think is a movie ^^ )
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@Fabienne
can make a movie with just 24 minute.example: Cencoroll ( i think is a movie ^^ )
You just compared that to this? It was "simple".
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hahaha i know it totally different but i think this anime should be just fine ^^ i wonder this "kind" anime is more suited for boys or girls??For me i like this anime because of the OP song,and the song just makes me motivate enough to endure the whole episode....
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Hmmmm, not really sure. I think both but there are a lot of concepts and story that needs to be wrapped up in one episode time. That's really hard to do.
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Somehow your comment makes me feel a bit excited already.....
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Anyone know why this was listed as a 13 episode series as of a few days ago and is now only 12?

I tried going through this topic to find out, but I didn't find anything.

Actually while I think of it, why was this originally labeled as "So Ra No Wo To"? and then changed to "Sora no Woto"?
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hahaha i know it totally different but i think this anime should be just fine ^^ i wonder this "kind" anime is more suited for boys or girls??For me i like this anime because of the OP song,and the song just makes me motivate enough to endure the whole episode....
Pretty much how I feel for the OP.

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Hmmmm, not really sure. I think both but there are a lot of concepts and story that needs to be wrapped up in one episode time. That's really hard to do.
Mouryou no Hako, after watching that you will say otherwise.


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One of the rare occasions when i agree with NoteDhero. Totally late to go in the war drama direction after all the dillydollying they did previously. Everything put together the story is weak, religion is always a cheap card as a reason for war (though valid somewhat). The cultural setting is an epic fail, interesting at best but totally impossible. Etc. etc. It had some potential, but failed with slow-mo build-up and all the girl business and filler-like episodes (alcohol distillation, sitting next to the phone all day ep and so on).

It's like the show tried to be K-on in a fantasy (!) setting with girls doing girly things in dark times, while at the same time it tried to be serious and deep with the same characters (all of them totally irritating except maybe Noel and Rio at times). In the end it totally fails at the latter, ruining even the first aspect. I like K-On and moe but when they mix it with a bad plot and try to ship it as serious and epic it really fails.

The drama screams cheese from the start anyway. Music and animation are the positives of the show, and are totally overshadowed by the bad plot, characters, VA, filler-feeling and cheesyness.

Still, it was somewhat worth watching for the OP, the fantastic landscapes and the 1-2 giggles/episode. Definitely not a highlight of the season though.

Edit: I highly doubt that anyone remotely important will die btw. Probably shot in the shoulder or something like that and the heroic intervention of Rio will bring peace and prosperity. Oh well.

Edit2: Btw, why the hell did they shoot at an unarmed and injured hostile target when she is obviously surrounded and has nowhere to run? Grab her, cut off a couple of her fingers and get some intel. Just kidding :P.
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Anyone know why this was listed as a 13 episode series as of a few days ago and is now only 12?

I tried going through this topic to find out, but I didn't find anything.

Actually while I think of it, why was this originally labeled as "So Ra No Wo To"? and then changed to "Sora no Woto"?


So erm... yeah good question. Anyone got a clue?

I thought with 2 more episodes it would have been enough time for a conclusion, but now?

If the next episode is the last one i could imagine that there'll be a catastrophe inviting the second season xD. Something like this bad guy gets his mass destruction weapon ready and escalating the war. Then again what's up with that angel of destruction in the see? This could also play a role in the last episode.
So many possibilities xD
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a fitting ending which can be done in 24 minutes... mhh

nuke em all XD

who believes in a second season?
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Or Rio comes back with an orchestra and the sound of LOVE, everyone puts their weapon down and PEACE xD

Dangit, Vash and his LOVE&PEACE infected me xD
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