| Especially in your country. Do you think the punishment is right, too easy or too hard in your country? Before you are answer look at this pics. The "human" did this with the dog, because his barking was too loud. Extreme question: Is a "human" life (especially who do things like this, or hurt animals because of fun) more valuable than an innocent animal's life? |
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| Yes, I do consider human life more valueable than animal life. Humans can understand morality. Animals don't. That's why I think moral standards don't apply to animals like they apply to humans. Still, animal cruelty is wrong. It opens an avenue that approves of sadistic treatment and that's why it should still be punished. |
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| The more upright and cultivated a society, the more punishment needed. The person who did that needs serious jail time, and probably serious mental issues. The owner of the dog is also in the wrong, if it made so much noise as that. Still, Humans are more valuable than animals. I admit some humans do not act it or deserve it on their own merits. |
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| I think it should vary significantly depending on the circumstances. Whoever says that all animals should be treated with the exact same rights and on the same wavelength as other animals or humans is really kidding themselves. I do however hate violence of any measure, and think it should be severely punished regardless of who is the victim and who is the assaulter. |
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| Human life is worth more than animal life. The worth of a creature is determined by the characteristics of its body and it's intelligence. The larger and more intelligent an animal is, the more it's worth. But a human life isn't always worth more than an animals, depending on the circumstances, in a moral perspective an animals life can be worth more. For example, I consider the death of Harambe to be immoral. This poor ass gorilla in some shitty zoo because of humans, dies solely due to the stupidity of a child and his retarded family, then they had the audacity to sue to the zoo. That gorilla was not at fault yet pays the ultimate price for a humans failure. |
TheBrainintheJar said: Yes, I do consider human life more valueable than animal life. Humans can understand morality. Animals don't. That's why I think moral standards don't apply to animals like they apply to humans. Still, animal cruelty is wrong. It opens an avenue that approves of sadistic treatment and that's why it should still be punished. http://www.livescience.com/24802-animals-have-morals-book.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/20/science/20moral.html?_r=0 http://collected.jcu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1020&context=honorspapers https://www.erudit.org/revue/ateliers/2015/v10/n2/1035326ar.html Animals have social structures, you cannot have social structures without rules, and you cannot have rules without morality. They, maybe not all, indeed have at least some basic understanding of morality. OT: Human life, unfortunately, does have more value to us humans. There should however, be much stronger punishments for animal cruelty. |
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| Animal life should not be valued on the same level as human life, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be valued. This just reminds me of this one question: If you're driving on the road and in front of you, your option is to either hit a human being, or for example, a dog. Who do you hit? (And no, no smart answers like "oh I'll just brake really hard" or "I'll just swerve and kill myself" just one or the other). |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Yes, I do consider human life more valueable than animal life. Humans can understand morality. Animals don't. That's why I think moral standards don't apply to animals like they apply to humans. Still, animal cruelty is wrong. It opens an avenue that approves of sadistic treatment and that's why it should still be punished. Somebody who do things like this can understand morality? Some researches say the animal cruelty ofthen the first step to killing human. Plus, what about poor polarbears? Canadians kill them, because "they are dangerous to humans".Polarbears are a vanishing species! More than 6 billion subhuman live in earth, most of them totally worthless. Selfish, idiot, etc. Stupid liberals always say: We have to protect the helpless, and innocents. - Who can be more helpless against human violence then the animals? |
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Gem said: Animal life should not be valued on the same level as human life, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be valued. ^ ------------------- I think that the punishment should depend heavily on the circumstances, but I do believe that those who commit animal cruelty shouldn't go unpunished. Violence is violence and the victim it affects doesn't change that. Animal cruelty is harsh and wrong, those involved in the ruthless treatment of animals should be punished accordingly. |
ModeratelyHuman said: Human life is worth more than animal life. The worth of a creature is determined by the characteristics of its body and it's intelligence. The larger and more intelligent an animal is, the more it's worth. But a human life isn't always worth more than an animals, depending on the circumstances, in a moral perspective an animals life can be worth more. For example, I consider the death of Harambe to be immoral. This poor ass gorilla in some shitty zoo because of humans, dies solely due to the stupidity of a child and his retarded family, then they had the audacity to sue to the zoo. That gorilla was not at fault yet pays the ultimate price for a humans failure. I agree, apart from calling the kid stupid. Any 3 year old does stupid things as part of their mental development, it's the full responsibility of the parents to make sure the kid doesn't do anything that gets them in danger. Also, I've not heard of the suing, what happened there? |
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ModeratelyHuman said: For example, I consider the death of Harambe to be immoral. This poor ass gorilla in some shitty zoo because of humans, dies solely due to the stupidity of a child and his retarded family, then they had the audacity to sue to the zoo. That gorilla was not at fault yet pays the ultimate price for a humans failure. Yeah, I saw the stupid niga, and his brat. I guess little Tyron thought the gorilla is his grandpa. Like in this one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3619910/Grandfather-picked-wrong-child-school-didn-t-notice-mistake-reaching-home-says-sorry.html |
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| I remember hearing about these teenage girls who put a kitten in the microwave and filmed it. Apparently they were laughing while the kitten was screaming in the microwave. The kitten survived and was taken to a new home, but the girls only got off with a slap on the wrist (48 hours of community service). It made me want to throw up. I think people who abuse animals should face jail time (how much depending on how severe the case is) and be forced to seek mental help. I also think they shouldn't be allowed to have pets anymore either. |
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shotz_ said: animal cruelty is vitrually the most unpunished violent crime. if you maim or kill a dog you go to jail or at least are supposed to, but on the other hand there's huge industries that maim/kill/torture animals that are completely legal and even subsidized by the government sometimes. there's no moral or logical consistency at all when you protect dogs but let people make money off of maiming/killing pigs. hell even the fur industry in the west is allowed to flay and kill coyotes for fur usually so people can pay hundreds to thousands for a dead dog jacket. i'm very against animal cruelty and i'm not a hypocrite about it either. I absolutely agree. What makes dogs any different to cows and pigs? I find it ridiculous how people talk about punishing those who harm animals yet they do not see the hypocrisy in their words when they themselves are contributing to the cruelest industry in the world. Sighh |
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moonlightx said: shotz_ said: animal cruelty is vitrually the most unpunished violent crime. if you maim or kill a dog you go to jail or at least are supposed to, but on the other hand there's huge industries that maim/kill/torture animals that are completely legal and even subsidized by the government sometimes. there's no moral or logical consistency at all when you protect dogs but let people make money off of maiming/killing pigs. hell even the fur industry in the west is allowed to flay and kill coyotes for fur usually so people can pay hundreds to thousands for a dead dog jacket. i'm very against animal cruelty and i'm not a hypocrite about it either. I absolutely agree. What makes dogs any different to cows and pigs? I find it ridiculous how people talk about punishing those who harm animals yet they do not see the hypocrisy in their words when they themselves are contributing to the cruelest industry in the world. Sighh There is a difference between the food industry and torturing your dog/cat for fun. |
Dave8814 said: Especially in your country. Do you think the punishment is right, too easy or too hard in your country? Before you are answer look at this pics. The "human" did this with the dog, because his barking was too loud. Extreme question: Is a "human" life (especially who do things like this, or hurt animals because of fun) more valuable than an innocent animal's life? I don't think it should be punishable because humans make mistakes all the time. At least the dog is still alive and we should be thankful for that and that it wasn't another person. |
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moonlightx said: shotz_ said: animal cruelty is vitrually the most unpunished violent crime. if you maim or kill a dog you go to jail or at least are supposed to, but on the other hand there's huge industries that maim/kill/torture animals that are completely legal and even subsidized by the government sometimes. there's no moral or logical consistency at all when you protect dogs but let people make money off of maiming/killing pigs. hell even the fur industry in the west is allowed to flay and kill coyotes for fur usually so people can pay hundreds to thousands for a dead dog jacket. i'm very against animal cruelty and i'm not a hypocrite about it either. I absolutely agree. What makes dogs any different to cows and pigs? I find it ridiculous how people talk about punishing those who harm animals yet they do not see the hypocrisy in their words when they themselves are contributing to the cruelest industry in the world. Sighh LoL, killing an animal because of his food how can be equal killing or torturing an animal just for fun? You kill the pig, and eat it. It's totally naturally. But you don't tourture them - expect if you are jew. Just watch a kosher slaughter in youtube. Disgusting. |
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FontSize72LOL said: moonlightx said: I absolutely agree. What makes dogs any different to cows and pigs? I find it ridiculous how people talk about punishing those who harm animals yet they do not see the hypocrisy in their words when they themselves are contributing to the cruelest industry in the world. Sighh There is a difference between the food industry and torturing your dog/cat for fun. How so? Many animals are unnecessarily abused and tortured while they await their death at a slaughterhouse. Even cows that are just being used for milk are subjected to a life long imprisonment until they are literally milked to death (is this not a form of torture? And I havent even mentioned all the other types of abuse they go through). A life of constant torture determined the minute they were born. There is no difference, all these animals feel pain and fear when they are being tortured whether it be for food or for fun. |
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Dave8814 said: moonlightx said: I absolutely agree. What makes dogs any different to cows and pigs? I find it ridiculous how people talk about punishing those who harm animals yet they do not see the hypocrisy in their words when they themselves are contributing to the cruelest industry in the world. Sighh LoL, killing an animal because of his food how can be equal killing or torturing an animal just for fun? You kill the pig, and eat it. It's totally naturally. But you don't tourture them - expect if you are jew. Just watch a kosher slaughter in youtube. Disgusting. Then are you saying it's okay to kill a dog or cat for meat? I'll kill it and then eat it. It's natural isn't it? Dogs and cats are bred into this world for my consumption as long as I don't torture them, so then it is ok |
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| Most human lives are more valuable than animals', but whoever did that to that dog doesn't deserve to live as their life is less valuable than a fly's. Animal abuse is a sign of being a violent and mentally disturbed individual so they should either have therapy or maybe be sent to the military so their violent ways can at least be helpful. |
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moonlightx said: Dave8814 said: LoL, killing an animal because of his food how can be equal killing or torturing an animal just for fun? You kill the pig, and eat it. It's totally naturally. But you don't tourture them - expect if you are jew. Just watch a kosher slaughter in youtube. Disgusting. Then are you saying it's okay to kill a dog or cat for meat? I'll kill it and then eat it. It's natural isn't it? Dogs and cats are bred into this world for my consumption as long as I don't torture them, so then it is ok Aaaaand here we are again, vegans. There is a BIG difference between pet and livestock. The pig, the cow are meat! The dog is friend. Why? It has historical past. It's in our culture. We don't eat friends, we are not jellows, or africans. |
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Dave8814 said: The difference is only cultural. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs but we call dogs friends and pigs food. Human vegetables are considered "human" even though their mental state is far less than farm animals. Some cultures call the cow "friend" and the dog "food".moonlightx said: Then are you saying it's okay to kill a dog or cat for meat? I'll kill it and then eat it. It's natural isn't it? Dogs and cats are bred into this world for my consumption as long as I don't torture them, so then it is ok Aaaaand here we are again, vegans. There is a BIG difference between pet and livestock. The pig, the cow are meat! The dog is friend. Why? It has historical past. It's in our culture. We don't eat friends, we are not jellows, or africans. |
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zombie_pegasus said: Dave8814 said: The difference is only cultural. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs but we call dogs friends and pigs food. Human vegetables are considered "human" even though their mental state is far less than farm animals. Some cultures call the cow "friend" and the dog "food".Aaaaand here we are again, vegans. There is a BIG difference between pet and livestock. The pig, the cow are meat! The dog is friend. Why? It has historical past. It's in our culture. We don't eat friends, we are not jellows, or africans. The dog's meat - like any other predator - isn't good. And you speak about indians (those, who from India, not from american). Somewhy they like cow, but not as friend, more likely a totem animal or an idol. And about dogs, as I said wer aren't yellows, we didn't eat everything. Literally, everything. |
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Dave8814 said: moonlightx said: Then are you saying it's okay to kill a dog or cat for meat? I'll kill it and then eat it. It's natural isn't it? Dogs and cats are bred into this world for my consumption as long as I don't torture them, so then it is ok Aaaaand here we are again, vegans. There is a BIG difference between pet and livestock. The pig, the cow are meat! The dog is friend. Why? It has historical past. It's in our culture. We don't eat friends, we are not jellows, or africans. Holy shit...the racism is strong. Thanks for the predictable convo and cya |
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Dave8814 said: Dogs are omnivores and so are pigs. Humans are also omnivores (kind of) and apparently our meat tastes great, but although cannibalism isn't illegal it's hard to obtain human meat legally. I also don't get why you have such a thing against Asians even though you seem to speak in Engrish.zombie_pegasus said: The difference is only cultural. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs but we call dogs friends and pigs food. Human vegetables are considered "human" even though their mental state is far less than farm animals. Some cultures call the cow "friend" and the dog "food". The dog's meat - like any other predator - isn't good. And you speak about indians (those, who from India, not from american). Somewhy they like cow, but not as friend, more likely a totem animal or an idol. And about dogs, as I said wer aren't yellows, we didn't eat everything. Literally, everything. |
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moonlightx said: Dave8814 said: Aaaaand here we are again, vegans. There is a BIG difference between pet and livestock. The pig, the cow are meat! The dog is friend. Why? It has historical past. It's in our culture. We don't eat friends, we are not jellows, or africans. Holy shit...the racism is strong. Thanks for the predictable convo and cya Haha, african tribes are eating people, especially if its an albino. They make a magical soup from him. And chinese and koreans are eating dogs, not the europeans. These are facts. And, if you say facts, are you racist? Ofc, thats how liberalism works. But, I have to admit it, I could write russians too, because after africa, russia has the biggest cannibalism rate. |
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zombie_pegasus said: Dave8814 said: Dogs are omnivores and so are pigs. Humans are also omnivores (kind of) and apparently our meat tastes great, but although cannibalism isn't illegal it's hard to obtain human meat legally. I also don't get why you have such a thing against Asians even though you seem to speak in Engrish.The dog's meat - like any other predator - isn't good. And you speak about indians (those, who from India, not from american). Somewhy they like cow, but not as friend, more likely a totem animal or an idol. And about dogs, as I said wer aren't yellows, we didn't eat everything. Literally, everything. Well, chinese and koreans are eating dogs, and everything. Mongols I guess not, but I am not sure about them. I don't like tajvan neither, with their girls with dick. But I don't have any problem with tibetians (tibetians? Is it the good word? ). I really respect them, not easy to live their. Those people are strong, and proud. |
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| I think it should be similar to that of how it is for a human. The higher intellect animals it should be charged same as a human. Usagi said: I remember hearing about these teenage girls who put a kitten in the microwave and filmed it. Apparently they were laughing while the kitten was screaming in the microwave. The kitten survived and was taken to a new home, but the girls only got off with a slap on the wrist (48 hours of community service). It made me want to throw up. I think people who abuse animals should face jail time (how much depending on how severe the case is) and be forced to seek mental help. I also think they shouldn't be allowed to have pets anymore either. That does not have to do with animal abuse laws it has to do with how they charge minors. A teen can also get away with rape and attempted murder with only a few moths jail time. |
| Maybe we should ban all animals from urban settlements so we can get over this shit already FontSize72LOL said: There's no difference for them, that's the pointmoonlightx said: I absolutely agree. What makes dogs any different to cows and pigs? I find it ridiculous how people talk about punishing those who harm animals yet they do not see the hypocrisy in their words when they themselves are contributing to the cruelest industry in the world. Sighh There is a difference between the food industry and torturing your dog/cat for fun. |
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Dave8814 said: TheBrainintheJar said: Yes, I do consider human life more valueable than animal life. Humans can understand morality. Animals don't. That's why I think moral standards don't apply to animals like they apply to humans. Still, animal cruelty is wrong. It opens an avenue that approves of sadistic treatment and that's why it should still be punished. Somebody who do things like this can understand morality? Some researches say the animal cruelty ofthen the first step to killing human. Plus, what about poor polarbears? Canadians kill them, because "they are dangerous to humans".Polarbears are a vanishing species! More than 6 billion subhuman live in earth, most of them totally worthless. Selfish, idiot, etc. Stupid liberals always say: We have to protect the helpless, and innocents. - Who can be more helpless against human violence then the animals? Killing someone because they're dangerous isn't the same as beating up a small puppy because you find it amusing. One involves self-defense. The other stems from sadism. Someone who does things like this can understand morality, yes. They can comprehand moral concepts merely by possessing human intelligence. Don't think Hitler or Stalin didn't understand morality. They simply had a radical moral system that clashed with outs. We protect the animals and yet they don't understand what we do and cannot give back anything. Morality relies on both species understanding its concepts and acting accordingly. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Dave8814 said: Somebody who do things like this can understand morality? Some researches say the animal cruelty ofthen the first step to killing human. Plus, what about poor polarbears? Canadians kill them, because "they are dangerous to humans".Polarbears are a vanishing species! More than 6 billion subhuman live in earth, most of them totally worthless. Selfish, idiot, etc. Stupid liberals always say: We have to protect the helpless, and innocents. - Who can be more helpless against human violence then the animals? Killing someone because they're dangerous isn't the same as beating up a small puppy because you find it amusing. One involves self-defense. The other stems from sadism. Someone who does things like this can understand morality, yes. They can comprehand moral concepts merely by possessing human intelligence. Don't think Hitler or Stalin didn't understand morality. They simply had a radical moral system that clashed with outs. We protect the animals and yet they don't understand what we do and cannot give back anything. Morality relies on both species understanding its concepts and acting accordingly. LoL, how does Hitler come here? He loved the animals, he even was vegetarian (because he is not from my country, and never know the taste of sausage. :D ), so he, and the national socialists are totally against the animal cruelity. Nazis were the first real animal rights activists. They were the first who said the kosher slaughter is barbaric, and the most painfully, torturing way to kill an animal. The liberals and democrats didn't give a shit about this, and let the kosher slaughter continuing... I know, you won't belive me, because the american propaganda messed your brain, but Hitler wasn't the pure evil. His "crimes" isn't higher than the alliance's. Just he lost, that's all. But he wasn't sociopath, he had a man who fought for what he belived. Just read the Mein Kapmf, or his citations. |
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Dave8814 said: TheBrainintheJar said: Killing someone because they're dangerous isn't the same as beating up a small puppy because you find it amusing. One involves self-defense. The other stems from sadism. Someone who does things like this can understand morality, yes. They can comprehand moral concepts merely by possessing human intelligence. Don't think Hitler or Stalin didn't understand morality. They simply had a radical moral system that clashed with outs. We protect the animals and yet they don't understand what we do and cannot give back anything. Morality relies on both species understanding its concepts and acting accordingly. LoL, how does Hitler come here? He loved the animals, he even was vegetarian (because he is not from my country, and never know the taste of sausage. :D ), so he, and the national socialists are totally against the animal cruelity. Nazis were the first real animal rights activists. They were the first who said the kosher slaughter is barbaric, and the most painfully, torturing way to kill an animal. The liberals and democrats didn't give a shit about this, and let the kosher slaughter continuing... I know, you won't belive me, because the american propaganda messed your brain, but Hitler wasn't the pure evil. His "crimes" isn't higher than the alliance's. Just he lost, that's all. But he wasn't sociopath, he had a man who fought for what he belived. Just read the Mein Kapmf, or his citations. I just said Hitler DID understand morality, but simply had a vastly different system that inevitably lead to conflict with us. All you hammered on here was completely pointless. |
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Dave8814 said: If only they fined dog owners for noise ordinance laws, this kind of thing wouldn't happen. Shame on dog owners.Especially in your country. Do you think the punishment is right, too easy or too hard in your country? Before you are answer look at this pics. The "human" did this with the dog, because his barking was too loud. Dave8814 said: An animal is neither guilty nor innocent; it lacks the capacity to understand what is right or wrong. Value is subjective, although insofar as a capitalist society is concerned, the human being has the capacity of being a producer, while the dog is a consuming dead weight, a product of some human fetish to breed useless animals that can't survive on their own for the sake of cuteness. Therefore, dogs have negative value, like jewelry that depreciates the moment it leaves the store. Because that's exactly what dogs are: accessories of first world fetishists. The only time dogs have value is when they participate in competitions.Extreme question: Is a "human" life (especially who do things like this, or hurt animals because of fun) more valuable than an innocent animal's life? However, if a dog has subjective value to you, then that's your own thing, and I can hardly see why it would be society or the government's business to regulate it. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Dave8814 said: LoL, how does Hitler come here? He loved the animals, he even was vegetarian (because he is not from my country, and never know the taste of sausage. :D ), so he, and the national socialists are totally against the animal cruelity. Nazis were the first real animal rights activists. They were the first who said the kosher slaughter is barbaric, and the most painfully, torturing way to kill an animal. The liberals and democrats didn't give a shit about this, and let the kosher slaughter continuing... I know, you won't belive me, because the american propaganda messed your brain, but Hitler wasn't the pure evil. His "crimes" isn't higher than the alliance's. Just he lost, that's all. But he wasn't sociopath, he had a man who fought for what he belived. Just read the Mein Kapmf, or his citations. I just said Hitler DID understand morality, but simply had a vastly different system that inevitably lead to conflict with us. All you hammered on here was completely pointless. Nope, it wasn't. Your comment's point would be: "Even sociopaths, like Hitler and Stalin (it can't be accidental you used this 2 men) understand morality." - your statment used this for starting point. You wanted to prove socipaths understand morality with the Hitler example. Else way you would use a different person. |
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| Of course humans life is more important than animal's. Inifinitely. The very comparison is insulting. Still, there is no reason to harm innocent beings so it should be punished severely. |
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Dave8814 said: TheBrainintheJar said: I just said Hitler DID understand morality, but simply had a vastly different system that inevitably lead to conflict with us. All you hammered on here was completely pointless. Nope, it wasn't. Your comment's point would be: "Even sociopaths, like Hitler and Stalin (it can't be accidental you used this 2 men) understand morality." - your statment used this for starting point. You wanted to prove socipaths understand morality with the Hitler example. Else way you would use a different person. I wouldn't call Hitler a sociopath since I don't have a qualifications or the evidence to diagnose him like that. Why do you accuse him of being a sociopath? Just because he had a different morality system? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Dave8814 said: Nope, it wasn't. Your comment's point would be: "Even sociopaths, like Hitler and Stalin (it can't be accidental you used this 2 men) understand morality." - your statment used this for starting point. You wanted to prove socipaths understand morality with the Hitler example. Else way you would use a different person. I wouldn't call Hitler a sociopath since I don't have a qualifications or the evidence to diagnose him like that. Why do you accuse him of being a sociopath? Just because he had a different morality system? Because you used him in the same example with stalin. And stalin was a crazy, paranoid sociopath. |
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